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New Orleans Saints @ Kansas City Chiefs Second Half Thread

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Check the stats here. It's 13 to 10 in favor of the Saints. The Chiefs started off red hot but were let down by their defense as the half wound down.

Jump on in to see if the Chiefs can put together a more consistent second half.

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Second Half thread is cooler than First Half thread! :P
Thigpen QB rating

107.8 in the first half. Not bad, so why did we shut him down???

To be fair

We only had one drive in the second half.

Understand but.........

The NO secondary is certainly suspect, we need to take advantage of them and I think we can

LJ out, Charles in

Jamaal can pass-block /and/ run the ball.

I think that goaline series was also to placate LJ
Why placate LJ?

This isn’t about stroking his ego, it’s about playing as a team.

You play to win the game, not to coddle prima donnas

This thread running better for you?
Towing a trailer...

When you are towing a trailer you need more torque to get going than LJ’s got. Is Charles injured??

He had that ankle issue

two weeks ago and he re aggravated it last week. He’s not out but he’s not 100% either.

I agree. I didn't call the plays

I think they want LJ to be happy and calm, especially if he only gets 10 carries

12 carries in the first half

He’s on pace for a solid day of running the ball.

But does that=win?
I think you need to be able

to rush the ball for first downs to win games, yes.

And get the ball across

the goal line, on short yardage.

Their secondary is so weak, I

think attack the weakness.

Thanks, and the Pistol seems to have some lanes for him
Thigpen outplaying Brees

Not surprised whatsoever.

Would like to see a decent return to start the second half
I'd like to see

a decent return THIS SEASON.

Good point.............touche
Maybe we just got too spoiled with Dante
Screw that, I'd like to see decent coverage on kicks. :)
Draw play up the gut

glad we’re getting inventive.

Come on Matt!

We’re running the pistol formation part of the time!

When LJ is not the main attraction

He shuts down!

+1

less ego, more teamwork

Great play by Jason David

Tough to beat coverage like that.

little early

but yeah, good coverage. Tyler needed to watch his eyes better. Telegraphed it.

Yeah, wtf, I thought they were a weak/injured secondary? Good plays by them all game
I am rather sick of seeing us flat in the 2nd half
In 6 of our games

We haven’t scored in the 3rd quarter.

colquitt needs to take another week or two and get healthy
No doubt. Not the same punter by any stretch
Yeah...

he’s not the MVP we know he should be.

Not how we wanted to start out

Now they get the ball at midfield, here we go again, let’s go D!

The electricity is gone

You can see it.

We've seen four plays.

LIl’ early.

Just going with

History of the last several games, just sayin.

I said it earlier..........

We fall behind….our youngsters quit. Very sad as they often impress me with a lead

that sucked...

OK, D, show us something! Something good, that is ;-)

We desperately need some

push up the middle. Looks go Swamp Thing (i.e. Glenn Dorsey)!

Our offensive tackles are crap today
If by "today"

you mean “in their lives.”

Ha

Got lucky with that Colston drop.

*miscommunication rather
NOT on Colston...

us!

What about the holding?
I will take Dorsey bonus money and at least trip someone
Okay good

2nd and 15. Good.

Poof

The energy is gone.

Said that earlier.
well that sucked
No pressure up the middle.

No coverage down field.
No blitz.
No chance.
Ugh.

Okay Chiefs

Okay. This is going to happen.

How do you respond?

What happens at the half, what is said?

We always come out flat.

Why isn't Carr

on that fool???!!!!

bit on the pump fake
That wasn't Carr, was it?

I thought the guy that got toasted was wearing 30?

With a young secondary

We’re going to get burned by a smart, veteran QB occasionally.

Brees' jersey cleaner than the virgin Mary herself....

Can’t place the blame on the D backs. The line is getting punked!

True

It looked to me like Brees audibled right before that play.

Sure did, we creeped up with three d backs, noone dropped back
More Charles, less LJ please!
They're going to come now

They’ll bring some pressure.

Need good blockers

in the backfield.

Our 3rd quarter woes

Almost have to be related to being outcoached with adjustments, right?

No doubt about that at all
The pistol is back!
Savage less than impressive
Yep

He’s shown pretty much nothing with a lot of opportunity.

LJ did pick up the blitz that time
I heart Bradley.

going no huddle. good.

What did Bradley

just tuck in his pants? Or am I hallucinating?

Keep on throwin!
make em all like that Bowe
Second fumble by LJ
LJ....more crisco???
Shit

This team is crazy to watch!

Would've been great to hit him in stride, but I'll take that play everytime
What happened to the

scrambling options for Thigpen?

Former college running back
Tyler and I are bff's
I <3 Bradley the most!
Tyler underthrew him

which is good because in that situation he has a tendency to overpump it.

Oh, yeah!

Da Bears iz lookin’ stooopid right now!

that's the LJ I was hoping to see within our offense
LJ, please stop

pulling this Jekyll and Hyde shiz!

If Bowe gets that

Arrowhead ERUPTS!

Bowe

almost had that.

Why using only one hand Bowe. Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, Bones.

So good. Picked up the blitz perfectly. So good.

Great run

but of course, holding.

Argh

Holding takes away a good LJ run.

I still like Cox regardless
Yep

He’ll be around for a while I think.

Fullback in motion

I love it!

Holding!

Don’t know if I saw it…

Not a hold, he was in front
WTF!!!

BULLSHIT HOLDING CALL, REF!!!

did TG actually get a call??
and here comes a make up call

though it was legit PI.

Don't like how long that ball seemed to be floating in the air.
Wow not a call against TG!
thanks for givin that back zebra
big time cox block there
agreed

Cox has some big balls

the one time i'm a fan of cox blocking

is when i’m watching the chiefs

wildcat! GROWWLLLLL!
Nothing better than A Cox blocker
stop running up the middle!
LJ looked in slow motion...
TG hurt again, on the field with helmet off!
because he plays hard EVERY play..........love it.

do you think its his foot he injured earlier?

Nah, his third foot perhaps
They should run a

counter because they got the Saints on their heels now. Or a bootleg and have Thiggy run it in.

Chan loses his mind down here......
run the same play

they ran last week on the 2pt conversion. let’s fix that play this week.

I like the bootleg or playaction

we needed to do a bootleg on goaline a run or pass option

Cottam is huge. Why don't we ever throw to him down here?
That was blown anyway.
Losing faith in chan Gailey at breakneck speed

man we cant get two yard!!!

has bowe tried to make a catch with two hands this game?
It's only down by the endzone that he's only going up with one hand

I don’t get it.

Not f*(&ing once!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn FG.
at least we are now able to make the FG
FG's

won’t win with just FGs

Where is Charles?
Injured still I'm guessing
Three bad snaps. Thank you Colquitt for your expertise....
Relatively new long snapper, no?
Nevermind

Thought you were blaming Colquitt. Misread your comment.

A long snapper who makes the veteran minimum of hundreds of thousands......

there are troops on the ground in Iraq making $20000 every year that can prob long snap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bring in adam carolla
We suck on offense whenever it counts.
Finally, some decent coverage.
Despite our struggles

This offense is proving today that the last three weeks are not a fluke.

Anyone notice

that the playbook’s getting bigger every week?

Thiggy’s learning fast.

Just one holding call on the saints would really placate the PARADE
Does the Gonzalez injury...

look serious?

Welcome!

Not sure, I didn’t catch it.

Sprained right ankle

Just mentioned it.

Just heard they're taping it up and he's likely to come back in
sprained ankle, probably coming back according to fox announcers
Leggett is getting better.
Though Carr

had that one.

I did too for a second
Good coverage there by Carr.nice pass
Stuck with intermittent access to the game

What’s up with these 2 short field goals after long drives? Any updates on what’s happening inside the ten? Bad playcalling? Bad luck? Going to LJ or TG or DB?

We've had a few passes

to the corner of the end zone come up incomplete. And we haven’t been able to run the ball AT ALL in the red zone. We had one holding penalty put us back too.

Bad playcalling and execution

Getting stuffed when we try and run up the middle, just can’t punch it in.

Thanks guys

We’ll need to change that if we’re going to win this.

There is nothing about that defensive playcall

I don’t hate.

Brees didn't even drop

BACK. The D-Line must be winded.

Ah

our patented “second half defensive running game sieve” tactic.

Crowd at Arrowhead's thin and quiet

Sure, we ain’t a good team this year, but I blame Carl, too. Way to drive away the core fan base by jacking up the prices at every excuse

Eh

I don’t think the prices are that out of line. It’s expensive sure but not greedy.

won't say it's greedy

I will say that his timing is /way/ bad. “We backed into the playoffs, and got crushed? Time to raise prices!” Stupid.

ball game
that was terrible tackling
Motherf******

Tackle him!

Wow, if that doesn't sum up this game with those missed tackles
That I won't stand for

This isn’t college.

I wouldn't stand for those missed tackles in high school

I hate sloppy play.

And this is what happens

when a West Coast offense comes up against no pass rush.

feel sorry for tyler

bad play calling…..no tackling from the D……He is doing all he can. too bad for him…honestly

this defense is so pathetic!!

Yep

Injuries aren’t helping.

But at least push the guy out if you

can’t tackle him.

I'm done guys, not worth watching.

I’ll check back later today. Adios!

Well, at least it is time to air it out. BONES and BOWE and BRADLEY!
which is something we should have been doing the entire game

they’re without their top 3 corners

Seriously, why is that an automatic TD and the chiefs have to break the plane 3 times to score
Somethings up

with the officiating. It ’aint kosher.

Okay

Step 1. Bones-Bradley-Bowe. Touchdown.
Step 2. Send some freaking pressure.
Step 3. Repeat.

If they don't air it out big time here

I’m going to be pissed.

Herm still has his grip in things.........we'll see
LJ doesn't belong in this offense I am afraid
Not unless he learns to pass-block

A guy that big /should/ be good at it.

Yes, I am obsessed with this! lol

Nice catch by Darling

wonder how many more times I can say that this season

Pistol is back
And it works

First down to TG, who is back in the game.

Seems like you just love the Pistol Chris
Great play

faced down the rusher and delivered.

And Charles is in too
Jamaal is alive.

Kind of.

Screen to Charles
Why are the running a play

to the weakest side of the line?

Have we attempted a screen all game?

(other than the one on the goalline to Bowe)

Chiefs driving big time

We get a score soon we’re looking good.

What have I missed?
Offense is looking pretty good

Except right around the goal line. We had to settle for two field goals.

Nothing good really.
Damn, Bowe

is hell of strong!

gotta go for it right?

punt or go for it?

Go for it...

the D has been sucking all day.

i say go were 1-8 and we cant stop brees and com

If we punt,

they will score again.

I think you have to go for it

Saints will score again.

Beat me to it.
Also, Colquitt is

not punting the same.

Tougth call Herm......

Your D has given you nothing to feel good about……………….

Good call

whether he gets it or not.

Lots of arguments

on both sides.

Horse Collar?

What a run!

Look at Bones

and the penalty

look at my boy go!!

holy face mask batman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
BONES F'ING THIGPEN!
Holy Sh*$!

He has won me over! Bones is the MAN!

What a POS

Who grabs the QB’s facemask like that??

Bring in LJ

and he’ll pound it in. Guaranteed!

Please get it in this time

GO TO TG ALREADY!

Dude

This LJ in the red zone just isn’t working.

Yeah I know
billick made a good point..the pistol doesn't work in goal line b/c there are so many guys in the box
not that we've done well in a straight run formation aat the goal line either
Imagine that, it still doesn't work.
I hate

our running game. I hate everything about it. Personnel. Scheming. Design. Implementation. Everything.

Just go to goaline formation?
There we go, use two hands
BOWE!!!!

Great pass and catch.

Bowe is very good at the jump ball
MONEY.

Right back in this thing.

Money

Your call on Bones!

I knew it! I knew it!

I had a feeling about the kid! I’m ordering a “Bones” jersey.

Hell yeah!

Bowe is having an awesome day.

1-3

bowe is 1 for 3 on those fades….

I don't believe it!

I /saw/ LJ pass-block! WTF?

Come on Chiefs!

One defensive stop away from trying to tie this thing up.

Army Math

1 hand + ! hand= 2 hands = catch!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice D Bowe

does anyone know if the game is on the internet anywhere?

man thigpen has won me over!!!! I LOVE ME SOME TYLER THIGPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Charles?

What’s the story? Is the injury that bad?

Can has blitz package?
Man, how many drops have they had this game?
tons of drops by the saints today..

do they do this all the time??

Attribute it to

Arrowhead.

Drop by Colston

Exactly the kind of stuff that needs to happen for us to come back.

DORSEY!!

Alright, let’s stop them here

And that's why I want a DE in the draft
Wow, did he have 10 seconds to throw the ball?
15
Brees is still actually sitting in the pocket....
no holding there????
Thank God!

Defensive line just looked silly. We’ll take it.

WTF is up with

that? No blocking in the back or holding?

MAN BREES HAS ENOUGH TIMES TO BAKE COOKIES BACK THERE

What?

Oh, I didn’t see the comment at first because it was capitalized :)

Okay I'm here

Saints dropping everything and LJ tiptoes too much

Wondering where you were
Made ribs

Family came over but they had to jet

BBQ in Texas is crap for the most part

Wish I was eating ribs there.

Nothing compares to KC bbq
CHEEEEEEEEEEEEFS!!!!
i think Shockey is overrated
+1

Just thinking that myself.

A 2nd and a 5th

Is it worth it now? No way.

Seriously, ONE HOLDING CALL ON THE SAINTS, ONE!!
Yeah, this is ridiculous
I thought I was gonna stop watching

but I couldn’t give up on my Chiefs. LETS GO KC!

Haha

I was thinking you’d regret leaving.

shockey looks like a little girl and hes a freakin over rated crybaby

Love the Thigpen/Bowe connection
Croyle never developed a connection like that

It’s good to see it happening now.

We haven't mentioned it much

But Thigpen hasn’t thrown an INT.

Chris

shhhhhh! You DO NOT JINX THE NO HITTER.

damn you, Chris
If I only

had that much power over the Chiefs!

I do

Whenever I leave the room they score a touchdown

announcers just mentioned it..i'm worried about karmic responses..
Like

that we’re testing them downfield. Couldn’t do that with other QBs that will go unnamed.

thanks for the jinx broadcasters
Soul Food

Sure, i"ll take some.
I love Cajun food

Love it.

you end up making wings primetime?
Nah

Still planning – this is going to get outrageous.

Let's get

a super tricky play when we come back.

Flea flicker to Thigpen?
wonder if he could throw it to himself?
98.4 QB rating as of right now
Fantasy Football Car Commercial
Anyone else sucking with

fantasy football because of the Bears D/ST? I got 4 points right now against GB.

come on

we cant go 3 and out. whats brees’s rating?

ballsy
Juevos grande!

He is REALLY fast. And strong.

jamal Charles....My Boy
I still don't like that call
Agreed. Just glad to see it work out
holy crap it worked.
If it didn't

The criticism would be raining in on Herm.

Ridiculous call

Wow, I can’t believe that worked.

wow

didnt expect that.

yall see how slow he looks?

Bootleg, double reverse, flea flicker to the end zone
throw the ball away..
Great run that just got negated
Nostalgic feeling

A screen!

Good screen at that
Bad decision by Bones

but he doesn’t make many of them
  

Good screen, LJ!

Finally, a screen.

Great job blocking down field by the big dogs.

Cottam got man-handled
now

we can run the ball?

Yeah

What happened?

LJ sighting.........
Who was saying that LJ

doesn’t fit?

By the way

Just heard the Panthers are planning on franchising Julius Peppers so there goes even the slightest inkling we wolud get him.

We wanted Peppers?
Who cares.....we got Gillberry or whoever!!
whoa seriously?

A screen that worked?

who is wade smith playing for?
just heard on the tv, it is jones
Ha

Sorry, completely misunderstood what you said.

Like what I'm seeing here.

Keep it up Chiefs!

We got 'em guessing now.
Long passes!

How long has it been since we seen that?

Wow

horrible drop…ate him up

LJ is finally

Looking like he’s willing to play for the Chiefs and not for himself afterall, at least thus far!

+1

Maybe he can learn that the team is more important than his stats.

Terrible drop.

WhY THE HELL ARE WE PUNTING?

I freaking hate the freaking Chiefs and their stupid lack of execution.
Man

I want to go for it here.

4th and 2 from the 40

Kind of in no man’s land. I’m fine with pinning them back here.

I guess

You have more faith in our D than I do.

No matter how bad the defense is

It’s very hard to 80 yards.

Herm keeps

Getting burnt by his own bad luck, we should have gone for it there though.

herm you Douche...........

Your f’ing 1-8. What the hell is it gonna hurt to go for it?? I am done with herm guys. Seriously have had enough.

The linebackers need to wake

up because the Saints will be running a lot on this coming drive.

Is it just me

or does Murphy seem to pick on the Chiefs?

No Herm does
lol

yeah, we make our own bad luck…

You know Herm

if you’d go for it a little more in those situations, you might not need to try 2 point conversions to win as often.

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They have been huge this year
Nice stop by Morgan

really encouraging to see

Around the AFC West

 Oakland takes the lead with a minute left…

All day

He had/has all day.

olinemen was laying on someone there

why cant we generate a pass rush!!!

Soft spot in zone

I hate that

worse

defensive line or linebackers? poo or stinky poo?

Defensive line

Linebackers are literally off the street guys.

line backers

i think our line backers arent doing n e thing.

why can't our linebackers read running plays?
Cuz last week they were reading invoices at Best Buy
or the Sunday paper
Denver up on Atlanta

Under two minutes left.

They are driving

What a huge letdown if they score again.

Miami takes the lead over Oakland with seconds remaining
Miami hits a FG and goes up with 38 seconds left
Oakland will likely lose
Haha

At least we have hope.

Dorsey slid left and collapsed that
I used to defend the run defense in second halves

because we were tired from the offense sucking. but there’s not excuse for it now. we need new people all over the line except for dorsey, and that’s on faith.

Whatever happened to Boone?

He played alright last year.

can't wait to hear Herms..." best 1-9 team in the league" speech on Tues....
So glad

we punted, Herm. Thanks for that.

Hindsight

Yeah…maybe we should have gone for it. Although, I’d expect he had faith in our defense to stop them from going 90 yards on us.

basing that faith on...
Although, I’d expect he had faith in our defense to stop them from going 90 yards on us.

Do you see where he went wrong?

AHH This is driving me crazy

How demoralizing is this?

I hate Herm Edwards' decision-making

Like the announcer says, you are the 32nd ranked defense against the 1st ranked offense, and instead of going for it on 4th and 2 you just give them the ball?

My thing with punting it

Is that the Saints are doing right now what they’ve done for most of the day. It’s not surprising.

but, but

if we keep the game close and are very careful, defense wins the game.

Herm say so, it must be true

You play to win the game
no

this is Herms Chiefs, you play not to lose…too badly

I realized after I posted that it could be taken wrongly

I was just trying to play on the “Herm says so, it must be true”

Shit

I feel bad for the guy on the ground.

LOL

Oakland blows it AGAIN and Miami is going to the playoffs….look at their 2nd half schedule. They play like 1 team with a winning record.

Anybody else cringe

when they showed that replay?

Yeah

They’re pretty terrible injuries. Especially for taller players – that’st he knock on DMC.

I'm refusing to watch the TV after seeing one of the replays

cause I just know they’re gonna show it like 15 more times

Are they playing Coldplay at the stadium?
ya

That’s Coldplay

Denver will win against the Falcons
Good

The West is terrible, we can’t have an 8-8 winner.

Fewest number of sacks at this point since 1982

god gotta love harm edwards!!

This is making me sick
damn

we need a turn over.

you aint alone man

its over

2 position lead is too much for this team

yeah we do!! but it aint gonna happen

Different Game

If we would’ve got one TD instead of a FG…

theme

that’s what seperates great teams from the rest

It's quite possible the cheerleaders

can make a bigger impact on D

Guys.....

Gonna rely on this thread for the rest of the season…after today..I won’t watch a game til’ next year

Wow anybody else happen to be on the denver game and see the weather in Pittsburg?
Snow?
Yeah, blowing straight sideways
Nice use of a Leo Nunez picture btw

Mo State alumni myself. Blake Ahearn signed with the Spurs today.

Really i didn't know that...he was with the T-wolves before, did they cut him?
TWolves cut him on their last cut

He was back in the DLeague for about a week

He's been jumping around...hopefully he can stick somewhere. Wasn't he with the Spurs at one point last year?
Just the Heat I think

He was in camp with the Wolves this year. Had a tryout or two for some other teams but I don’t remember who.

I can't wait to watch a game in the new arena, I've seen the outside but not inside yet...it looks really cool
I'm going to have to come down for a game

They played Auburn tough for a while but not quite enough.

Looking good Shockey

Man, I hate that guy.

at least you have the option

They won’t even televise the games in Nebraska anymore or on the radio. I have to rely on net radio to hear the game.

He just

Looks like every frat-boy tool I went to college with

And that's the game

fortunately we balked at 4 short 4th downs while driving

Detroit only down by 2, lets go Lions
well here we go
I'm in an abusive relationship with the Chiefs

They hurt me and disappoint me and i hate them… but i still stay with them.

The Chiefs hit you because they love you
Aren't we all?

I’ll love the chiefs for eternity but damn if they don’t make it hard sometimes… like now.

past 4 weeks

have been the worse…so close yet so far away…

Herm is the best at something.....................

Finding yet new ways to lose EVERY week. How creative

redzone

we didnt get td’s in the redzone. thats our downfall. 2 times and no td.

Savage almost broke that!
sack...

god help us

The O has given up.
oline

struggling, thigpen has no protection. 4 sacks now man that sux.

sackintosh has the best seat in the house, for people running by him to sack the QB
woulda coulda shoulda
MacIntosh'd AGAIN!

Could our lines be any worse?

wow

and thigpen throws his first pick

Game over, man!
Now Herm goes for it............idiot
NOW we go for it.

Had to be said.

there goes thigpens no-interception streak
And the pick.

frick.

well, it's been fun for the most part
Most depressing team ever.
No way

Not even close. That is an incorrect statement. Take it back.

Depressing in that they give you hope only to break it over their knee like an illegal amateur mexican wrestler
I was hoping he could go another game without an INT
damn

well he had a good streak.

Equal to a short punt
First INT

Trying too hard. :-(

He shouldn't have

Been put into that position in the first place.

they just said on radio

still no int. what are you guys seeing?

Thigpen had a throw away pick
man

I hate not being able to actually see the game

well

when ur o line gives up. what can u do. stupid play calling again 2nd half. should have went for it on 4th. disapointed. oh well.

No,

trying ti win! Macintosh should ride the bench until he can prove he can play Tackle.

man macintosh is such a rotten cocksuckin piece of shit

make sure you tell us how you really feel about him...lol jk
good game guys

Herm is an idiot…. I will officially admit it.

Or mostest depressingest team everest?
Step backward today.

I know we have a lot of hurt players, but our sackless D-Line (physically and metaphorically), the Bradley drop and the MacIntosh’d O-Line all contributed to this team’s regression today.

Of course, not punching it in from within the 5 on those two drives was the real difference maker, but with an offensive line that shitty, I can’t blame the RBs.

Is it too much to ask for?

DEEP BREES TOUCHDOWN TO SAVE MY FANTASY TEAM…

C’mon.

That's appropriate after the Chiefs have lost
I wish we could just forfeit at the half.

It would be less painful.

Bradley drop was huge and Red Zone inefficiency

If he makes that catch then Herm doesn’t have to punt

The Bradley drop was the biggest play of the game.
Players have to execute
I wonder what Waters was just telling Herm?
"Clone me, I need help out there!"
What is it going to take?!

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH WITH SACKINTOSH

it doesnt make sense anymore
I still like Thigpen

Even with the loss, the INT, and a couple poor decisions.

His playbook’s getting bigger, and his errors were mostly over-aggressive play.

I think the QB of the future is answered for now
Why?
That wasn't really addressed to anyone

More a metaphysical observation

Don't beat yourself up
Post game thread is up

You know the drill…

Herm earlier in the game

Went for it on 4th and long, but did not go for it on 4th and two, he cost us any chance to win again. Number one offense, 32nd ranked defense, and you trust your defense to get a stop.

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