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Despite going 4-12 last season like our beloved Kansas City Chiefs did, Atlanta Falcon fans are feeling pretty good about this game. You know when your team isn't very good and a worse team comes on the schedule and you're like, "Finally, we'll get back on track this week"? That's the Chiefs this week for the Falcons.
Beyond just "The Chiefs are a bad team" reasoning, the Falcons also have another very good reason to assume confidence this weekend - DE John Abraham and the Atlanta pass rush.
John Abraham, formerly coached under Herm Edwards in New York, already has four sacks on the season and is undoubtedly licking his chops to get after Tyler Thigpen this weekend. As Bob Gretz noted, the Atlanta pass rush is a major reason why Tyler Thigpen is getting the nod this weekend over Damon Huard.
Let’s be honest, if they move Abraham over to the left side and have him rush against RT Damion McIntosh, then whoever is playing quarterback for the Chiefs is in trouble. Better to have somebody with some mobility, who can get away from that kind of pressure. Huard can’t do that. Thigpen can.
Thigpen, despite his other shortcomings, is relatively more mobile than Damon Huard meaning he can avoid the pass rush. Then again, who isn't more mobile than Damon Huard?
Let me take one second to talk about Thigpen's touted mobility. I guess I don't see why it's such an asset for him. Thigpen did make a few plays with his legs last week against the Raiders (1 rush for 6 yards and a few dodges) but I would hardly call him a mobile quarterback. He's only seems "very" mobile compared to Damon Huard, who is practically a statue in the pocket. Compared to Huard, Thigpen is younger and less stiff. Croyle has a bit of mobility too when he needs to use it. Thigpen isn't Donovan McNabb or Michael Vick when it comes to running the ball. He's more like...Steve Bono.
Plus, does mobility matter if the pocket dissolves a half second after snapping the ball?
Abraham will have his choice of going up against Branden Albert on the left side of the line or Damion "Sackintosh" McIntosh (I hate nicknames like that but this one is too good) on the right side. Albert should be able to at least partially contain Abraham but I'm quite concerned about Abraham literally running past Damion McIntosh on the right side of our line. We saw the Raiders' defensive ends do it last week and I don't think McIntosh has improved much from last week to this week. The man is Chris Terry version 2.0 and I don't want to remember those visions of last season.
Abraham's three sacks in the Falcons opening game against the Lions was undoubtedly bolstered by the fact that the Falcons got up 21-0 on the Lions within twelve minutes of the game and forced Detroit into passing attack mode. But a quickly declining Damion McIntosh won't be much of a match for John Abraham. The Chiefs will need to set up more help on the right side of the line for McIntosh and that will have a serious affect on their game plan. We will have to either put another tight end on the right side or commit fullback Mike Cox to that side on almost every down. The Chiefs are already short on talent and to have to overcompensate on one side is a terrible point to have to concede to he Falcons.
The game changes necessary for the Chiefs to contain the Atlanta pass rush will spell bad news for KC. I predict that the game will be won or lost on the right side of our offensive line. And right now I don't have much confidence the Chiefs will win that battle. Thigpen's mobility will not be as big of an asset as people are making it out to be and the Chiefs will suffer dearly on Sunday.
To sum up this rambling, Tyler Thigpen's mobility is overrated and will hardly help him avoid a solid Atlanta pass rush. I hope I'm wrong.
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You Know You're Hitting Rock Bottom
When the reason you’re starting a QB isn’t because he’s a good prospect or because he’s better than the guy behind him, but because he’s the only guy who won’t get himself killed playing behind your offensive line.
It’s the third game of the season and Herm’s basically conceded that the line he keeps together for “continuity” doesn’t have a chance of keeping Damon Huard upright against a team that was as bad as us last season. That’s quality coaching right there.
UCrawford - September 18, 2008
Yep
This is getting worse than I ever imagined.
Chris Thorman - September 18, 2008
As Long As Sackintosh Is Out There
It can always get worse. Can you imagine how ugly it’s going to get if Ingle Martin or Richard Bartel have to take the field at QB for us if Thigpen and Huard miss significant time and Croyle’s not healthy enough to play?
UCrawford - September 18, 2008
I'm thinking about becoming
a big time Thigpen supporter, just to save my sanity.
Chris Thorman - September 18, 2008
It could be
that I just took a 2 1/2 hour nap at my desk and am still groggy, but I really think Thigpen will do ok.
Assuming he doesn’t get completely smashed into the ground by the Falcons DE’s.
IISaiNtII - September 18, 2008
I've Got Nothing Personal Against The Kid
But don’t do it unless he does something to merit it. It’s good to be a fan of your team, but it’s better to be honest about what you see.
Although I will admit that I’m starting to see this sort of strange anti-Zen thing going with the Chiefs this year. Like the polar opposite of how the Patriots were on offense last season…with the Pats even though I can’t stand them it was kind of entrancing to watch their team move the ball. This is entrancing almost for the completely opposite reason…a sort of beautiful trainwreck. For some reason, I keep thinking of the book “Fever Pitch” when Nick Hornby talks about the feeling he got watching bad Arsenal teams take the field.
UCrawford - September 18, 2008
Thigpen pride
Not a bad idea Chris. I was wondering what the hell I was going to do if sober.
Shawn - September 18, 2008
I agree.
I think that with Thigpen working with the 1st team, he should do better. If not, throw in a dash of “Ingles”!
ilamuku - September 18, 2008
Tyler Pig-Pen
This guy is not ready to start an NFL game, but then again Marcus Hagans should never have been on the field period! What is this College Football, just changing QB’s every series. I think Herm is trying to implement the option run and the Wishbone. If we were playing against a tougher defense they could have picked off Pig-Pen atleast 5 times last week. This is going to be a long season. I’m pissed now that I paid $250 for the NFL Ticket to watch this sad product.
Do you think Stafford, Tebow, or another QB coming out of the draft would be a good fit for the Chiefs?
Faiders blow - September 18, 2008
Although it's way too early
I don’t really see any can’t miss type quarterback prospects in this draft.
Joel Thorman - September 18, 2008
An unfortunate aspect
Of picking that high is the massive contract, particularly for a QB who will no doubt immediately be paid among the league’s elite.
Joel Thorman - September 18, 2008
i DO wish people would quit suggesting tebow
troy145 - September 18, 2008
I can't stand tebow.
He might be in the top 100 prospects list, but I don’t see him making a great QB in the NFL.
IISaiNtII - September 19, 2008
My problem with Thigpen's mobility
The only thing that bothers me about this is that I have not really seen that great of mobility from this guy. And he has accuracy problems when he his just in the pocket delivering the ball I just don’t think he will be vastly better while running for his life.
Also if Herm would be willing to actually put in the best 5 linemen we have maybe the QB wouldn’t have to be mobile to survive the game.
tevans96 - September 18, 2008
Can't Do It
Can’t sacrifice “continuity”…even though Damion McIntosh merely represents continuity from the worst o-line in the NFL last year and Adrian Jones only represents continuity from some really bad Jets teams. :)
UCrawford - September 18, 2008
Oh yes what was I thinking!
For some reason I thought you tried to play your best players at every position. But no lets see: you need an unproven QB paired with a proven to be bad O-linemen. All so that you
can winplay for the futurewin, no wait what were we trying to do again?tevans96 - September 18, 2008
Keep The QB From Being Decapitated
That’s the purpose of Herm’s offense now…starting a QB who won’t die, regardless of whether that QB can complete passes or has shown any indication he might someday be able to complete passes.
Tough shit, rookie receivers…welcome to Werm Ball.
UCrawford - September 18, 2008
thigpen, what is your name!
troy145 - September 18, 2008
i am tylerus thigpinnius, leader of the armies of suck, back up to a fallen elder, protege of a fragile man, and i will have my vengeance
troy145 - September 18, 2008
Welcome tevans96!
Chris Thorman - September 18, 2008
Why can’t they stick Herb Taylor at Right Tackle? Everyone thought he did solid job during the preseason. I don’t understand letting Sackintosh stay out there.
rdub - September 18, 2008
Herm Actually Said Why He's Starting McIntosh
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/801949.html
It got mentioned in one of the FanPosts. We really weren’t just making that up. We aren’t sick enough to make something like that up.
UCrawford - September 18, 2008
All these doubters
clearly have not seen what he’s able to do to skeletons.
Look, I firmly expect Thigpen to suck. But then, I firmly expect our entire team to suck. But NOT rooting for the team? Where’s the fun in that? And since I can’t in good conscience root for Huard as I know there’s NO way he can ever evolve into what we need because of his age, Thigpen’s my only option.
So you know what? Guess who threw a touchdown pass last weekend? Tyler F’ing Thigpen.
Get onboard with “Bones” Thigpen. I know I am.
Nickname, affirmed.
Ridiculous Matt - September 18, 2008
For Me It's Not So Much "Not Rooting" For The Team
As it is taking a long-term approach towards the health of the Chiefs and wanting Herm Edwards to get fired because I am, beyond any shadow of a doubt, convinced that he is part of the problem here.
I certainly won’t be cheering for the other team, and if the Chiefs do win I’ll be happy, but if the Chiefs get crushed I won’t exactly be unhappy. If that makes any sense.
UCrawford - September 18, 2008
I just wish
they could make decisions that didn’t leave everyone scratching their heads in wonder.
IISaiNtII - September 18, 2008
If the team improves
I’m happy. Just because a guy I don’t like is what makes them improve, doesn’t make me unhappy about the direction. You don’t get to only root for your team when they do things you approve of.
Ridiculous Matt - September 18, 2008
It's More About Wins For Me Than Anything Else
I’ll chime in about what I think the team should do in free agency/the draft/starting lineups or whatever else because that’s just part of the fun of being a sports fan. But what it really boils down to is that I don’t care if the team runs Cover 2 or Tampa 2 or a 4-5-2 with Tank Tyler lining up at corner and Damon Huard at defensive end so long as they win, or at the very least perform well enough to win, games. Right now they’re not…in fact they’ve looked less and less like that kind of team the longer Herm’s been here. So I’ll rip their lineups, call them morons, harp on how they should be fired because that’s how crappy the product is that they’ve put on the field for awhile now, the burden of proof’s entirely on them to show that they’re capable of making this a successful team, and they’ve exhausted any reasonable level of goodwill or faith from the fans.
If they feel that’s unfair, well, tough shit. That’s just life in the NFL and I won’t apologize because I have high standards for the teams I root for or because I can’t stand incompetents or bullshit artists (which Carl and Herm have been for quite awhile).
UCrawford - September 18, 2008
I don't think wins
are always indicative of how good a team is. I mean, the Chargers are 0-2. Are we as good as them?
Ridiculous Matt - September 18, 2008
That's Why
I added “or at the very least perform well enough to win”. I recognize that record is not the end all be all of a team’s measure, and that luck often plays a role in close games (Bill James once had an interesting article on baseball about how the number of games won by one run were more an indicator of luck than skill) so I’m willing to accept a team that’s competitive but showing continual improvement. For the last year we’ve been going in the complete opposite direction of competitive. I also recognize and acknowledge the strategy of taking a step back (going younger) to take a two or three steps forward (developing that talent), but frankly all I’ve really seen over the last year (and I include the 2007 season in this) is a step back with no hope of going forward. We replaced the aging players on our roster with a lot of scrubs, we didn’t get any of the free agents the team claims it wanted, we lost a close game to a Patriots team that had their MVP QB go down in the first half (and he looked on the verge of busting out when he got hurt so had Brady stayed in I doubt it would have been close), we got absolutely thrashed by a really garbage Raiders team, and our coach seems to be in denial that the personnel on the offensive line are a problem, despite the fact that (according to the Chiefs’ main PR guy) he’s starting a QB who isn’t any good simply because he might be able to survive the Falcons’ pass rush.
That to me is a sign of taking a step back without any real hope of taking a step forward.
UCrawford - September 18, 2008
But Tough Times Also Don't Mean
That I abandon the team or jump to another team like a bandwagon fan. Fans who are railing on the Chiefs right now are usually doing it because they care about the team and want it to get better. Nothing wrong with that.
UCrawford - September 18, 2008
Only reason I can think of...
Herm obviously doesn’t want to admit that MacIntosh was a total waste of money when we signed him so he keeps trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.
I wonder how much longer it is going to be before he replaces him with Taylor or Richardson. Maybe after we have 4 quarterbacks on IR? What happened to the best players will play?
Herm obviously knows the right side of the line is horrible so why not fix it already? To hell with continuity I want a QB to survive the season.
strain1104 - September 18, 2008
Thigpen IS mobile
The problem is all of you are rating his mobility based on how fast he is. He’s not McNabb mobile, but I thought he was Brett Favre mobile. Thigpen knows how to move in the pocket and he knows how to do just enough to escape pressure. What I like is that he uses his legs to buy him time (like the new McNabb), not to run the ball like a running back. And like Brett Favre, I was EXTREMELY impressed with his ability to throw on the run, especially going to the left—there are few QBs that can do that.
He definitely has very good athletic ability to be a starter in the NFL. He’s just awful at making his reads, but that’s never something you pick up right away, especially given his lack of experience in the college ranks. Let’s give him at least a few weeks to learn from his mistakes and to build his timing with receivers.
I think Croyle right now is a far more cerebral QB, but from an athletic talent perspective, I actually think Thigpen is a terrific fit for a Gailey offense that wants QBs to throw on the run. I’m excited to see if he gets better with every week. We won’t know until we try and are patient with him.
chiefzilla1501 - September 18, 2008
Fair point
You know I’m a positive, forward thinking fan. But I can’t get behind Thigpen right now. I sincerely believe he doesn’t have the skills to be an NFL QB and that’s based on a gut feeling more than anything.
That doesn’t mean you can’t still make good point like you did.
Chris Thorman - September 18, 2008
Again.
The man has sex with skeletons. How can you not like him? Damon Huard doesn’t have sex with skeletons. Damon Huard IS a skeleton.
Ridiculous Matt - September 18, 2008
this is awesome
Matt,
Is there anyway that you could sneak into the equipment room and put a skull and crossbones patch on his jersey or a sticker on his helmet. I would take great pleasure in falling to the floor laughing while no one else around me knows why.
skibum1537 - September 18, 2008
I know exactly why Thigpin is starting this Sunday....
Herm wants to scare the living crap out of him, so that Thigpen will just stop pursuing his dream to be an NFL player. And the Chiefs can persuit a more legitimate canidate for QB. Elect me Ingle Martin IV to be your representative in Arrowhead, I promise no new axes, ahem….I mean taxes.
aPacificChief - September 18, 2008
That
Makes the most sense to me out of any of the possible scenarios. Herm is a closet sadist. :) By that rationale, it wouldn’t be completely out of whack to assume that Herm took this job with express purpose of crushing the hopes of die-hard Chiefs fans by running their franchise by populating the roster with practice squad players, rookies and scrubs. :)
UCrawford - September 18, 2008
"Ruining" Instead of "Running"
UCrawford - September 18, 2008
Even a bad Q.B. can win
if protected – Rex Grossman is an example and there are many others. In contrast – Aikman was a darn good Q.B. who got sh*t canned his last two seasons behind a bad line and ultimately HAD to retire due to concussion problems. Until we address our protection problems – it’ll be 3 & out (1Croyle 2 Huard & 3 Thigpen – OUT).
I’m in Thigpen’s corner for now – after all, he’s all we’ve got and hopefully he’ll surprise this weekend after getting first team reps. I’d be nice to see more than one extended drive so that Atlanta doesn’t run us into the ground in the second half – because our defenSe can’t catch it’s collective breath.
If he has to play, move Mac inside to RG, give Herb a shot at RT (until Richardson is ready to contribute) and keep Cox in the backfield (he actually can block). Activate Cottam to help w/ protection and run blocking. Sit one of our recievers (pick one) we can’t get them the ball right now anyway.
I’m curious – are your contract insurance premiums higher if you’re a Q.B for the Chiefs ??
Cat Stabber - September 18, 2008
Casey Printhers, where are you?
Talk about a mobile quarterback. Please, come save our beloved Chiefs.
If nothing else, with his ridiculous good looks and modeling experience, while on the sideline we should make sure his helmet’s off so he can distract the opposing team’s offense with how pretty he is. I mean, come on, what NFL player is going to want to hit a man that pretty?
Chiefs n Chopper - September 18, 2008
For more information on this subject
Visit a post from Chris way, way back in the day. Actually the 2nd day the blog existed (those archives he told us never to go back and look at).
Joel Thorman - September 18, 2008
THiggy
RUN Forest er Thiggy RUN!
dklogue1 - September 18, 2008
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