Arrowhead Pride

It's a thing of beauty

Just imagine it paired with Charles.

http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/smarterstats/2010/10/nfl-week-5-preview.html

Gotta thank McDaniels for that.

From Week 5, 2010:

despite Denver’s rushing woes this season, Kyle Orton is 15 of 20 for 315 yards on play-action passes in his last two games. This is obviously unique because an offense generally needs an effective running game to sell play action. But in this case, it’s yet another reason that we may need to step back and start looking at Orton as a near-elite quarterback.

The reason the play-action was so good was because McDaniels was using a pulling-guard trick that forced defenses to read it as a run, even if they knew the Broncos weren’t going to run. And Orton sold it so well, too.

Orton still does the same repetitive motion after handing the ball off. Whether it’s run or pass, it’s the exact same motion. I think if he’s the best at anything, it’s the play fake. Few QBs sell it like he does.

Tempestuous Binary - January 1, 2012 reply

Some clarification:

I mean you need to thank McDaniels for teaching Orton the correct mechanics of it. I went and watched some footage of Orton after this game from early-2009, and then pre-2009.

He was still suffering from an ankle injury suffered in 2008, so he wasn’t planting so hard, but Orton already looked quite different. And compared to today, it’s almost night and day. Kind of a shame he was drafted by the Bears instead of a real team…

Tempestuous Binary - January 1, 2012 reply

No one doubts McDaniels knows what he's doing. But I'm still unwilling to have him on our sideline.

Hoodie would never have apprenticed him (i.e. wrote him a five-page “How to Coach” guide and quizzed him on it throughout 2008) as he did if there wasn’t coaching skill.

Problem is, we just dropped Todd Haley because he could make it work with players and coaches but couldn’t get along with Scott Pioli. Do we need another young, arrogant Turk telling KC Wolf how to work a crowd?

McD has skills but I’d like to see if he grows into himself or not, or if he’s just going to be Little Bill again.

He'd only be a coordinator.

I don’t see where that other stuff would even be an issue.

I keep reading that Pioli views him as a "coach in waiting" while Crennel "takes the reins."

I’m hoping it’s just drivel, and that you’re right—he’d only be brought in to coach quarterbacks and call passing plays.

From what I read on Turf Show Times, he’s still figuring out how to use a running game around the goal line. (Of course, that wouldn’t be anything new around these parts).

Even if he was a coach in waiting.

Presumably that would be at least three years or so down the line, giving him time to mature and/or giving them time to change their minds.

I'm having a hard time opening my mind on McDaniels, Tark. Got to admit it.

Mister “My Draft Board Had Less Than 100 Names On It” keeps rubbing me the wrong way. And he IS a hell of a coach, I know it. Look at what he did with Cassel, or what he continues to do with Brandon Lloyd.

I keep crossing my fingers hoping for Karl Dorrell from MIA, Chad O’Shea from NE, or Mike Sullivan from the NYG first.

Would hate him as GM/HC.

Have no problem with him as OC, especially with RAC calling the shots.

Or Pioli, in this case.

Him too.

It's DeBerg-esque

beautiful

Orton

Chiefs should pass him by next season. He had a good first quarter and that was about it. Chiefs need a decent qb and stop retreading old qb’s/

trchief - January 1, 2012 reply

So who decent do we trot in?

We’re not going to be able to snag RG3 or Luck…which draftable passers do we pick up, that could jump in and start at the NFL level in game 1, year 1?

Sign someone else? A poster from Louisiana keeps backing Flynn….other than that, who out there, as a veteran that we could bring in, is superior to Orton in arm strength or competence?

I don’t think he’s the answer, no, but he’s a legit quarterback and that’s something we haven’t had since Damon Huard got old in ’06.

Agree. I believe that Orton should be the answer "until" we find something better.

And if Hell freezes over and Orton turns into a new Trent Green, hey--we're all winners.

Likely? No. But that’s why we’ve got Stanzi and will likely pick up another arm in the draft…always keep searching for our #1 guy behind center.

go_saleaumua, what would we do if they let Orton go, don't get Bowe and

Carr resigned, hire Crennel and he keeps his buddy Muir? And, name Cassel the starter going into training camp? What a mess that would be?

Crennel I could 'deal' with, he actually ran the game the right way today.

Let the players play, no need for hitting the timeouts or for anything too crazy. So I’d be ambivelant there, I guess.

Muir as playcaller? No Carr, no Bowe….unless some rabbit-outta-the-hat action happened during the draft, I’d be furious/depressed/astounded. I can see us losing Bowe OR Carr, but not both—and hopefully not either. And if Muir stuck around to coach the line, I’d be allright with that. But as OC? Without our #1 wideout?

Sad thought.

Orton did amazing with this offense his first two games,

which is more than Cassel did in three years.

Keep him.

bossmanham - January 2, 2012 reply

Orton didn't do crap....

…unless that end-zone interception counts. If given the choice between Cassel or Orton I would take Cassel every day of the week (and twice on Sunday).

For all Cassel’s issue (and yes I know he has many) he doesn’t give the ball to the other team very often…Orton on the other hand is an interception machine.

DivineGrace - January 2, 2012 reply

If you want any sort of vertical passing game

you risk a few picks. If you are Matt Cassel and only throw screens, you only throw game-ending picks on game-winning drives at San Diego.

neiowakcfan - January 2, 2012 reply

Baldwin seemed to have a lot of trouble getting separation

from the defenders. It looked to me like he only got open on one pass.

R8R H8R - January 2, 2012 reply

Baldwin gets his separation vertically...not horizontally.

DivineGrace - January 2, 2012 reply

I'm thrilled with today's results.

I hate the Raiders, so let the donks go 1 and done in the playoffs.

bossmanham - January 1, 2012 via mobile reply

Likewise

Best case scenario really. End the year on positive note. Lose a couple draft slots but at that 8-15 range, not really a ton of difference in value.

Plus raiders don’t make it in, AND Tebow gets into the playoffs which theoretically will saddle the donks with him as the starter for next year.

BigRoz - January 1, 2012 reply

I enjoyed the game

I think Orton should be our starting QB for next season. He throws some very good and accurate passes….very unCassel like.
He spreads the ball around and can make his reads pretty fast.

McCluster looked like Charles on his TD run….making it to the outside by pure speed. I can’t wait for JC to get back and do that all the time.

Having Moeaki back will lift a huge burden off of the offense. More playcalling and more options.

The defense was killer. The contained Tebow all game and made them try and beat us by throwing it or running McGahee.

I cannot wait for Berry to get back….oh man I’m salivating over what our defense can look like….ahhh man!! Pure domination!

Overall great victory to end the season on a high note…

PS… Sign Crennel as HC!

Matt_Grbac - January 1, 2012 via mobile reply

Agreed -

On all points…

chiefsfan62 - January 1, 2012 via mobile reply

Agreed

The Defense is what this team is about. Identitiy

enjoyed the game

Orton should not be on the Chiefs next year. Outside of the Chiefs first score, Orton did nothing. Chiefs did nothing but punt after the first quarter. Chiefs need someone who can put points on the board and Orton ain’t it.

trchief - January 1, 2012 reply

Disagree. Orton has to be our answer until we find something better. Trade, get value

for Cassel whenever the opportunity comes up. It is still possible that for one reason or another, that Manning becomes available, and is healthy. Look at Flynn, he’s a FA. Look at trading up with St. Louis for RGIII or whatever. If Pioli is the GM that he is supposed to be, he should, and I hope is, be looking at all of these possibilities. He also needs to get a “top” level coach, not Crennel. If Clark and Pioli expect this to be a SB team, now is when they need to make their moves, plus FA and the draft.

all of the possibilities :)

weighed without concern for sunk costs on past decisions.

We talk about CB’s with short memories, our GM has to be even better than that, to move the franchise forward

What do you mean Steve. I'm just not understanding your comment.

CB's need to forget the last play and play the next one great

We don’t want Flowers worrying bout that PI Call last play when he has a chance to jump the route this play.

Pioli should look at all the possible players available to us

and select the one that will move the Chiefs forward

OK, thanks, I see. I love our corners. We just need another for backup and one

to play instead of Arenas when there’s a third big receiver or tight end. I sure like Arenas too but he does end up getting over matched sometimes.

As much as I hate the Broncos, I will say that Fox deserves some serious credit

for being able to have any success at all with such a turd for a quarterback. How anyone could find a way to keep the Broncos in games with Tebow consistently is pretty remarkable.

As for next season, I think we’ll learn all we’ll need to know about Pioli based on how he handles this offseason. We have the core of what should be a damn good defense for some time, and with Berry back we’ll only be that much better. But there’s a lot we need to do with this offense, even in light of Charles and Moeaki coming back.

CraiginKC - January 1, 2012 reply

Very True

Pioli needs to hit a home run on Staff. We have had 3 weeks to align our plans. They better be good.

Defense

needs on the D to me are ILB , NT and depth in the secondary
needs on the O are QB,RT,TE and RB depth

I would be happy to sse us resign Bowe,Carr and maybe Orton
trade cassel

if we enter next season with Orton ,cassel and stanzi
and fix the oline I would be ok with it ….
I just want some of the holes filled……………

needs on the O are QB,RT,TE and RB depth

Also a C/G.

If Hudson’s at C, we’ll need a backup for him and a backup/replacement for Lilja. If Hudson’s at G, we could use another young guy as depth and two C’s because we wouldn’t have anyone.

asamoah could fill in as Center if needed

maybe

weigmanns coming back yo

you heard it here first! he’ll be hiking balls with his nubs at age 60.

Lucasjr5 - January 2, 2012 reply

Broncos won the surge in the trenches on most plays.

Not sure why Crennel went back to 3-4 after the 4-3 was actually holding at the point. Maybe not enough depth to run the 4 stouts. But it was demoralizing to see the Broncos getting 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 yards just running it straight ahead. And it wasn’t like there were huge holes. Just overpowering play.

KC tackles both hold up pretty well against ’tweener edge rushers.

Orton threw some nice passes. He also threw some not-great passes. Nevertheless, I see him as KC’s current #1 going into next season.

hmills110 - January 1, 2012 reply

I think Gregg is done for

Every time I saw him he was making tackles on the wrong side of the line or whiffing entirely. I like him and respect his veteran experience and leadership, but I doubt he’s irreplaceable next year.

Ochophosphate - January 1, 2012 reply

gregg

he might be a releif guy next season at best..

Not only that but

He was getting dominated one-on-one, when that is happening to your nose tackle that’s how you get ran over in games.

gregg

saw him and beltcher mis several takels…

Been the case for Belcher all year and not much has changed

Its forgivable when your 330 pound Nose Tackle misses a tackle on a shifty running back, not so much for your ILB run stuffer week in and week out.

DJ was held big time on the broncos first

First down play… That should have been a third three and out in a row. We would have regained great field position. I think the refs just let them play and not call many calls

ravenhawk - January 2, 2012 reply

I don't think he and the wideouts/backs are always on the same page.

The pass to Dex Mex in the middle of the fourth—he throws to the flat but DMC turned around about three yards too late—shows errant timing.

to Mills

The Chiefs played Press Cover the entire game

so said the broadcasters after the game

that is a start

craig in calgary - January 1, 2012 reply

Football season is too short

Dammit, thanks for reminding me

and my Titans got knocked out by our win today – but I would rather have a Chiefs win vs. the Donks than a Titans run in the playoffs. My sister’s boyfriend is from Houston and thus a Texans fan – I suppose I’ll hitch my wagon to them for their short lived run.

Ochophosphate - January 1, 2012 reply

If you don't make the playoffs.

We have scored an opening drive TD?

The fact that other offenses like Jacksonville, Indy and Cleveland have scored opening drive TDs is an embarrassing fact that should lead to Muir’s firing

trentchiefsfan - January 1, 2012 reply

Muir

the opening drive td thing is not important to me

but the play calling and winning the game is

yes i know good play calling = TDs

More that other teams with far inferior talent have been able to drive down the field.

trentchiefsfan - January 1, 2012 reply

some inferior teams won 2 games

the Chiefs for all their warts won 7

purely from an offensive standpoint

I mean what exactly has Cleveland got to work with. McCoy? Hillis? and Indy? Curtis Painter and Dan Orlovsky? Those two both average more points per game than us. I’d like to think Cassel, Bowe and Breaston is better than McCoy, Massaquoi, and Greg Little. Yet Cleveland average more points than us

trentchiefsfan - January 1, 2012 reply

All that matters is what is on the scoreboard at the end of the game

the Chiefs drove down the field on several opening drives.. they were just worthless in the red zone.

Texas Chief - January 1, 2012 reply

Muir better be gone

Seriously. We need to clean some house in the coaching dept.

IMO the following guys need to hit the rd.
Offense;
Maurice Carthon
Richie Anderson
Bill Muir

Defense:
Anthony Pleasant

I would like to see some good solid coaches come in. Some good respectable guys that can really teach our young guys the way to play

I really like what Gibbs and Emmitt Thomas has done on defense. They should stay. One should be promoted to DC.

Matt_Grbac - January 1, 2012 via mobile reply

Add ST coach Hoffman to that list

Matt_Grbac - January 1, 2012 via mobile reply

Just curious

Why Pleasant?

Jackson’s had a pretty good year and Gordon has been a nice surprise, as well as the development of Bailey.

Honestly

I just don’t think our defensive line is all that good. Two top draft picks at DE and a savvy veteran NT and they still can’t do anything.

Maybe he stays because he is a young coach but I need to see more from TJ and Dorsey…especially at their draft positions.

Matt_Grbac - January 1, 2012 via mobile reply

Fair enough

While I liked the signing, it’s entirely possible Gregg just didn’t have anything left this year. Dorsey, I just don’t know if he’ll ever be that great in a 3-4.

I can agree

but want to see wha our new coach does… defense has gotten better as the season went

But the talent really isn't there

Dorsey is better suited at a 4-3, Jackson is just solid, and Gregg might be “savvy” but he’s not that good of a player in his old age.

Draft position, snaft position, maybe they should show more themselves instead of switching out the coaches?

disagree

I like what I saw from the whole front 7 in general this year

stagdsp - January 1, 2012 via mobile reply

todays game plan on D

was for the D to stop the run and force tebow to throw it… and they did that to some extent the problem i saw on run defense was missed tackels by beltcher and gregg … yes Johnson missed a few and so did several others but more then not he make the play

Should have been a shutout.

All things considered, they did a pretty damn good job. The Broncos, despite their limitations, have put up some points on teams at times.

Muir is fine

Just demote him back to O-line coach.

BigRoz - January 1, 2012 reply

muir

I could go for that unless he thinks our right tackel is ok

When has a coach ever accepted a demotion and stayed with the team?

see gunther

Gunther didn't take a demotion to stay with the team

He got fired, coached LB’s in Tennessee for a while, then came back.

your right

seemed to me he was interm for a little while but maybe i got my wires crossed

Romeo said he would.

Kind of different, though, since he’s just an interim.

We promoted all in season

we can go back especially with this staff to what we were.

Now is that the best plan and it all depends on WHO the HC is going to be

Another plus

Houston playing strong later in the year!

Wichita Chief - January 1, 2012 reply

Houston

I like what i see from him… but i still think we need a couple more LBs one at ILB and depth

Siler

would be both or create both

Who knows what Gabe Miller brings either

Likely a long shot, but we’ll see.

Should Tebow ever be capable QB he is going to have to get much better.

Because the current version of him has been figured out.

You mean he might have to complete over 50% of his passes?

He can not pick a defense apart to save his life

He had open WR’s and didn’t even attempt to throw to them. Get in his face and he is useless.

And yet...

I’d take him over Cassel or Orton in a heartbeat.

Sure glad you're not our GM.

Me too

But at least Tebow has found a way to win some ball games this year. If Cassel or Orton “led” the Chiefs to any big wins…I guess I missed it.

I’m no big fan of Tebow…don’t get me wrong. But me personally? I’d trade Orton and Cassel for him. And even throw in a Palko for good measure.

At least he might make a good Fullback…if our team ever gets around to getting a good Quarterback.

I don't know how you missed the Packers game

If Cassel or Orton "led" the Chiefs to any big wins…I guess I missed it.

But I suggest finding a replay of it, it was pretty damn good.

Cassel "found a way to win"

against the Chargers on MNF too, when the division lead was up for grabs.

Yeah...I know.

Sorry guys. Please excuse my another-disappointing-Chiefs-season-maybe-next-year blues. Happens about this time most every year.

I’m just pissing and moaning. And I’ll get over it like I always do. Carry on.

Understandable.

I just don’t get the Tebow (as a QB) love.

I don't either, really.

I was just yapping. Mostly from fear of our team deciding to roll with Cassel and/or Orton for another year or two.

Well it is what it is

Until the new Head Coach is named we have no Idea what way we go.

Plus we beat not one but two playoff teams this season

Why would you be scared if Orton started next year?

He did go 2-1 to finish us out

KCinIL - January 1, 2012 reply

"He just finds a way to win."

Im tellin ya

He stars next year our offense is gonna fly off the fuckin charts!

KCinIL - January 1, 2012 reply

Especially

After the way you guys shut him down today. 20.6 QB rating. Nice. Not really a big believer in the whole QB rating thing, but damn.

The first game he only completed 2 passes.

Unfortunately, that was enough for the Broncos to win.

Tarkus - January 2, 2012 reply

Got it Scott

the end of the season sucks, But we won makes it much better

Unless Tebow can evolve...

he won’t be winning many more games… It only took half a season to figure Tebow out. Without a stout defense he wouldn’t have “won” the games he won.

And Marion Barber costing the Bears a win

Twice.

"found a way to win"

by being on a team playing great defense. Down the stretch, when they really need a win, they lost three in a row.

with one of the strongest legged kickers in the NFL

foolishness.

be cee - January 2, 2012 reply

Yep.

At least he knows his limitations. He knows those passes to wide open receivers were as likely to be intercepted as completed.

The glaring point I saw from todays game?

Is the same one I’ve seen all year long.

Our Offense is a complete joke. From the play calling, to the line, to our running game (or lack of), to our QB (no matter which one we played). We suck.

We will not be any kind of “contender” unless these issues are addressed. And unfortunately, that’s actually quite a bit to address in one off-season.

Jamaal back next season upgrades the offense immensely

As does Moeaki with his blocking and pass catching skills, few more upgrades on the linen and at QB we’ll be in business.

Charles and O-line upgrades alone would help a lot

Orton could be a decent stopgap while they continue developing Stanzi and/or someone else they pick up.

Yes, having Charles back will help

But, I think we’ve seen what not having a #2 RB will do to a season.

Same with Moeaki.

And I’m sorry…but Cassel sucks. And Orton is only slightly better. Maybe?

Our line gets pushed around by almost everyone.

And the mistakes / penalties?

The play calling is…I can’t even begin to understand that one. Seriously.

Besides having Jamaal back, and having decent WR’s…I see our Offense as needing a complete overhaul.

And we can go out and find a #2, just like we did Thomas Jones who was serviceable last year spelling Jamaal

Orton is much better then Cassel, and in an average AFCW he could put us in playoff contention every year.

Which is why I said we need to find a few upgrades, Albert-Hudson-Asamoah are a great start and will be solid rocks on the line for years.

Mistakes/Penalties can be worked on, and play calling can be better with a new OC

If McCluster can keep playing like he did today

He could spell Charles. Then McClain, if he’s re-signed, could be the power guy.

I'm fine with Battle as depth.

4 YPC from your #3 RB doesn’t suck, especially if our OL is as bad as everyone here says it is.

I'd be fine with that

Charles, McCluster, Battle and McClain.

I was kind of hoping we’d get a chance to see Draughn in action today just to get an idea of what he might be capable of.

Our OL is good at run blocking for the most part

Pass protection was the real issue, particularly with our smaller players on the line getting overpowered.

He just has zero burst, which is why I don’t want him. The ZBS is predicated on RBs that can find holes and hit them hard, why Jamaal is perfect for it. Battle, not so much.

I disagree about our run blocking

While it’s decent for the first 80 yards of the field, we really struggle close to the end zone. We need to get another guy who can provide push in there.

Which is why my dream offseason at this point involves drafting DeCastro in the first.

Well no disagreement there

We’re just to small up front that’s the major thing

ChiefWarPaint - January 2, 2012 reply

Very true

Replacing Weigs with Hudson will help. Hudson’s no powerhouse, but he DOES outweigh Weigs by 15 pounds. That’s pretty significant.

KCRiseFromTheAshes - January 2, 2012 reply

We think it does.

Let’s hope they come back as good as they were.

radyman - January 1, 2012 via mobile reply

Pray that JC's injury hasn't slowed him down....

Sometimes when a receiver or running back get injured, they’re never quite the same….I hope and pray this is not the case for JC!

I don't understand why the offense got so conservative in the second half...

It was like Haley was back.

lack of confidence in Baldwin and Breaston against the broncos man to man . They played man all game long and dared someone to step up Bowe and Dex were the only ones and when they were out of the game no one else did

Willie Beamon - January 1, 2012 reply

Bowe injury

fairmont - January 1, 2012 via iPhone app reply

I think we got to see the counterargument to the "Bowe shouldn't be re-signed" crowd

Breaston’s a very good WR, but he’s not a number 1. And Baldwin needs to put it all together.

based on the first half

We need to lock up Bowe.

fairmont - January 1, 2012 via iPhone app reply

Totally agree.

Not sure if Baldwin can possibly fill in, though his progress had to have been hampered by the Palko fiasco.

radyman - January 1, 2012 via mobile reply

Based on the other 15 games I disagree

This offense sucks with Bowe.

This offense sucks even more without him

We’d probably be 0-16 trotting Palko out there with Breaston/Baldwin

The problem without Bowe isn't that he's irreplaceable.

It’s that the OC lost all confidence in the rest of the offense without him today. We need an OC that will take what he has and keep playing. That guy got hurt? Well, that sucks. NEXT!

None of the other receivers were able to get separation from the defenders.

I actually did get to watch this game, and it seemed like Baldwin just could not get open. I think he need to work on his route running.

R8R H8R - January 2, 2012 reply

bowe injury

i do not get it…. still think they should of moved the ball better not like he is the only one who can catch a ball

Another stat of note

We ended up allowing the least points of all the AFC West teams after 90 in those first 2 games. Apart from a few hiccups I was very pleased with the defense this year.

BigRoz - January 1, 2012 reply

Almost two road shutouts against divisional opponents.

That doesn’t happen very often.

That is true...

But we didn’t play a lot of high powered offenses, Green Bay notwithstanding.

radyman - January 1, 2012 via mobile reply

We played 5 top 10 offenses this year

1 of them twice.

That’s not exactly a cakewalk…

good play from the D

They played a 1920s offense, but you can’t blame them for who they play. So pumped for 2012 with another team’s castoff at QB. Orton is now 8-23 in his last 31 starts, catch lightning in a bottle!

BeauJackson - January 1, 2012 reply

20s? lol

Lucasjr5 - January 2, 2012 reply

Cowboys sucking to close out the year doesn't suck.

Tony Romo's hand looked terrible.

Can’t believe Kitna doesn’t give them a better chance to win.

radyman - January 1, 2012 via mobile reply

Cowboys losing always brings a smile to my face...definitely.

Cowboys and Jets for me lately

Definitely Jets.

I can’t stand Rex Ryan and his blow-hard attitude.

jhoward8780 - January 1, 2012 reply

No doubt

And his brother in Dallas is almost as bad.

Tempestuous Binary - January 1, 2012 reply

Oh, man, I didn't want to see that picture. Kuper's a great guy. I hope he can recover.

Congrats, Chiefs on getting your revenge

Holding the Broncos to 3 pts. Another particularly impressive performance by the D.

If only you guys could have done your part.

I would much rather have seen the Raiders in the playoffs than Tebow

My god

If we had a defense HALF as good as yours, we’d be playoff bound, instead of the cardboard cutouts we had on the field today. Say would you like to buy a Stanford Routt really cheap? You could throw darts at it and everything.

Thanks to Al+Routt we're going to have issues signing our #2 CB.

Maybe

But the joke’s still on us. We let go of Nnamdi because he wanted “too much”, then over-payed Routt. Or maybe it was the other way around.

Think Davis did that just to piss Nnamdi off?

lol

$60 million, $25 mil guaranteed?
http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-07-30/sports/29831982_1_training-camp-nfl-lockout-bus-cook

I would imagine if that was the strategy, then it failed.

What do you do now in Oakland?

Blow it all up and start over or going to keep riding the Hue Jackson train? Seems to me he’s very McDanielsesque in how he operates and that might not be so good for you.

Shouldn't Hue

at least get to see the two drafts he screwed up?

Do they actually get to draft this year?

As a Chiefs fan I hope he gets to see them.

Probably

Some compensatory picks for Nnamdi and Zach Miller. We’ll just be missing the 1st and 2nd which we don’t do very well with anyway.

You have a 4th right?

A third max for Nnamdi and maybe a 6th for Miller? Still a couple opportunities at least to find something.

Yes

And if we get a proper GM into place in the off season, then maybe we actually make the most of those.

I hope for your sake you do.

I hope for our sake you don’t.

You know

I’m a defense first guy. So I don’t mind saying your team has a brighter future at this point. I’m just flat out envious of the way your guys have played this year.

It took 10 years of horrid defense to get to this point

But yes, I’m happy too…can’t stand watching teams march up & down the field on us.

LOL

Then lucky you. We’ve had a horrid defense for 10 years, and still have a horrid defense, this year being one of the worst ones yet. Especially if you saw today’s game.

Much as we like laughing at the Raiders when they're down

As they do for us I’m sure, I think the rivalry’s more fun when both teams are good.

I don't know if he's a good coach or not.

But that trade for Carson Palmer was stupid, and that was all on him, apparently.

Ya

We vary on that too. I’m actually liking it though. Palmer’s had some rough games, but when he’s on, he throws the kinds of passes Campbell can only dream of. He does definitely need to keep the picks down, but he did that today. Had a solid effort. And as for the draft picks, as I often remind people, our last First Round Pick QBs drafted were Marinovich and Russell.

Somebody from over here compared Campbell to Cassell, and I think that was more or less an honest comparison. It may well be that Campbell would have held us back, as many of you have said you thought Cassell was doing. But if Palmer, after a proper offseason and working with a guy he’s known since college, can find it, then we have ourselves a real QB. The kind we haven’t had since Gannon.

Which is partially why I’m here tonight. At this point, I’d rather listen to Chiefs fans bashing the Raiders (which you haven’t even done), then listen to the constant griping by certain Raider fans about Palmer.

Oh, I think getting Palmer was a good move.

I just think they way overpaid for him.

See

The crux of the matter is, that Palmer is probably good for 3-4 years. If we can put together a good enough defense in that time, we could go all the way. If we do get there, then it’ll have been worth it. Plus, it’s a Raider tradition trading picks for players. We traded two #1s for Mike Haynes. A first and a second for Ted Hendricks.

Our problem is essentially the opposite of yours. You already have the D, and now just need a good enough QB to get you there.

Haynes and Hendricks were elite players.

I don’t think Palmer is an elite QB, but the Raiders gave up elite compensation for him.

To be fair, I ripped the Seymour trade too, and that’s turned out pretty well.

Perhaps

But neither was Gannon before he came to the Raiders or Plunkett. Also Hendricks got off to a rough start with the Raiders, and almost got cut. Al had to pull rank for them to keep him.

You know, mostly, I just tell them over there. The deal is done. The Bengals are not giving those picks back, even if some people don’t like the trade. So the only thing to do now is hope for the best, and see how this thing shakes out. Course some of them over there are completely unwilling to do that.

seems Chiefs faithfull forget Dawson

was a Bust too till he got a chance in KC

Opinions vary

I believe he’s entitled to as much time in as Cable had (and whom I couldn’t wait to get rid of). It’s been a particularly horrific year for injuries, the passing of Al, Chuck Bresnahan being foisted on us, and the GMship thrust onto Hue…it’s a lot to overcome. He ought to get at least one “normal” season before he’s really judged.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of firing someone after one year.

Unless you pretty much have to. Especially a year like this (don’t forget the lockout).

Not what I meant.

I meant more like, “We had the money, we just didn’t want to give it to you.” But yeah, I’m sure Nnamdi didn’t mind.

Would like to think Al knew better than that

For the life of me, never understood the logic behind it.

I don't know.

I know he was supposed to a player’s owner, but the whole Marcus Allen fiasco proved that he could be vindictive to his own detriment.

Yes

He could be at times. He was a player’s owner in the sense that he would pay the players a fortune with no problem much of the time, but was skimpy with the coaches.

Exactly.

Hated to pay coaches, but loved to pay players.

And you mention Marcus Allen

But that was nothing compared to not wanting to pay Gruden, trading him to Tampa Bay, and then having them beat us in the Super Bowl.

Yeah, that was just bizarre.

There was also the whole Shanahan thing too.

Maaaan Cruz is ridiculous

ArrowSpread - January 1, 2012 reply

That's what happens when the other team doesnt cover you.

The replay I saw had him beating bracket coverage...

ArrowSpread - January 1, 2012 reply

Chiefs defense

held the Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the entire season.

Take out the 2-3 games where the defense said "F this" and we're a top 3 scoring defense.

Best thing is.

Most of the core is still ascending, and they were playing without arguably their best player on that side of the ball. Another couple pieces, plus continued development of the young guys, and they could be dominant for years. Need to lock up Carr, though.

And need an answer at NT.

I think they expect Siler to come in and raise the level of play at the other inside backer but you’re right about the other pieces. Houston has every indication of being a stud, Bailey will likely eventually make Dorsey expendable and our depth at CB is better then we think. Carr is a must signing and I hope after the display those two CBs put on today, Pioli sees that.

I don't know how Siler will do that

He’s great at defending the run, but that’s about it. We’d need to take him out of Nickel Packages just like we do with Belcher…

The way we run sub packages we would probably pull out any ILB that we put in there unless Patrick Willis is available.

I think Siler raises the competition and if we believe him he was slated to be the starter this year. I’d like to see more depth brought in there but it’s not the huge concern that NT is or safety depth.

Or we don't pull out the ILB, because he has coverage ability

Plus we pull the Nose tackle for Nickel packages as well.

Still an upgrade over Belcher

Who is “ok” against the run.

I still have some hope for Powe

But it would be smart to add another option or two in case he doesn’t pan out.

NT Alameda Ta'amu, 2nd round draft pick

This is my pick for round 2.

cmon Man

You saw Pope wide open for a 20 yard gain.

What if we had a Real TE to pair with Moeaki.

Damn New England would be envious of what KC does for a change

I like the idea of having a pair of TEs...

And I’m sure Pioli does too. I’m not against that.

Wait… were you meaning to talk about Pope or Powe?

The way he's played lately, he'll be around in the 3rd

Might be worthy that late though.

This is probably true.

Washington had some serious issues stopping… well, everything that Baylor did in the Alamo Bowl. I was wondering if that might hurt his draft stock. I know he’s just one guy… but damn. Mack Truck sized holes in that game.

They had a defense on the field?

nateforchiefs - January 2, 2012 reply

HELL NO

DONOTWANT

If he’s there in the 3rd maybe but that’s it, he’s part of the reason Baylor ran for over 400 yards on the Washington Defense, he’s terrible.

joplin chiefs fan - January 1, 2012 reply

Had to be close on the Steelers, too.

I looked at them.

I think they had two other games with fewer points. Their offense wasn’t real good this year.

Oddly, the most impressive of the those four games was the one who scored the most points. Holding the Packers to 14 points was extremely impressive, if you take a look at their other scores over the course of the season. And 7 of those points came late.

I'm actually disappointed.

A great defensive effort, which we are starting to get used too, but our offense should not be this bad, injuries or not. I certainly don’t compare this win with the 2009 game. I don’t leave this game with near the same optimism I did with that win. I wanted to finally see some explosion on offense.

I don’t necessarily even blame the players that much. I don’t know why our playcalling is so damn conservative, especially in the redzone. I honestly think an OC, who is willing to trust the passing game, and utlize the weapons he has, will be almost as important than adding more players. Playcalling can make medicore offenses look good, by taking some pressure off of the O-line, and keeping the opposing defenses off balance. I don’t think we are as far off, talent wise, as many seem to believe. One more good draft, 3 or 4 good FA’s, to mainly add a little more depth, and this team can go places. They just need someone willing to let them do it! If you don’t trust your QB, or your offensive weapons, or are too obssesed with turnovers, then you end up with an offense called the Kansas City Chiefs!

Racyman - January 1, 2012 reply

I'd take consolation that Muir will most likely be out during the off-season.

I think our biggest focus should be getting a good OC and a good O-Line. After those are fixed, everything else is gravy.

jhoward8780 - January 1, 2012 reply

After Matt Flynns performance today I believe even more it should be Tom Clements.

It will never happen because it would mean going outside the family tree but he needs to be an OC somewhere and it might as well be here.

He was my choice this past year.

Haley sealed his own fate by promoting a lackey to run his offense.

Gen B

I think Tom Clements as Offensive Coordinator would be a great hire!

Chief1 - January 1, 2012 reply

what is his role now?

QB Coach

WHY would he be a great choice to scheme our offense?

to be honest Chudzinski is still my pick :)

He's been very successful in lesser roles.

And presumably he’s learned a thing or two in Green Bay about running an offense.

No, he’s not a sure thing. If he was, he wouldn’t be available.

Needs for 2012-13 season

With our 1st pick we should draft OT Matt Kalil from USC, move Albert to RT or LG. So our OL for nest season would look like this: Kalil, Albert or Asamoah, Hudson, Lijia or Asamoah, Richardson or Albert.

Please not another season with Brich at RT.

Please please god no. That ship has officially sailed.

Albert was probably our second best OL this year.

Why do people keep wanting to move him?

So he can play his natural position

Whatever that is.

Agreed

He did a great job today, AGAIN, against some very good rushers.

Our offensive line, first and foremost, needs more power on the interior. Even more than B-Rich needs replacing (I know, I know, but I swear I’m serious).

Replace Weigs with Hudson (who, while not very powerful, is 15 pounds heavier than Weigs), draft DeCastro, and our line (as well as our RZ offense) looks much, much better.

Wiegs is gone so there goes that issue

A run blocking mauler of a RT would help us out so much, JC would appreciate having Asamoah and a good RT to run behind, and that helps us out in the power formations too

nateforchiefs - January 2, 2012 reply

We already have a mauler at RT

We need a guy who can pass block a little too, without having to keep a back or TE on his side to help him every single passing down.

But yeah, I think we’re speaking the same language here.

How in the hell are we gonna get Kalil from USC?

He would be the first pick taken in just about every other draft.

Trade them Luck we get Kalil

obvious as hell

There's some crack being smoked here...

Kalil? At 11th/12th pick? Ummm…. NO. He’s not going to fall. Riley Reiff or David DeCastro. RT or G. Pick the other position in Free Agency.

Or take DeCastro now and draft your RT in the 3rd or 4th round.

Take Ta’amu in the second to play NT. Line problems solved. Get the safety in free agency.

I do hope we resign Carr. Bowe… franchise him and let someone take a crack at him. Pick up one of the other stud WR’s in FA that doesn’t have a bad case of the dropsies.

Line problems wouldn't be solved with Ta'amu

It would just make them worse ):

Especially when we have a young NT project in Powe

And there are multiple NT’s available in FA. Garay, Soliai, and Pouha would all be able to give us at least what Gregg has this year, and likely more as Gregg’s faded down the stretch. Crap, even Franklin (everyone’s DREAM last year) could be had for pretty cheap at this point.

With a young dude already here and proven vets available, I see no reason to waste a draft pick.

Let the Matt Flynn love affair begin

kc571 - January 1, 2012 via mobile reply

Kevin Kolb says hi.

Flynn was alot more impressive then Kolb in less action.

Problem is the Pats and Lions pass D aren’t exactly top of the league.

Precisely.

in less action

yeah, really seems very kolb, cassel like...and cassel actually had an entire season

id Really really like to avoid the signing and paying someone else’s backup qb to start for us strategy

SDChief - January 1, 2012 reply

Kolb's only good game in his career was against the '09 Chiefs

Plus

Kolb just signed a HUGE contract with Arizona, so that would have to be factored in.

Please Not Flynn !!

I have nothing against Matt Flynn. He have one career game, and people want to give him the farm. We seen what happen to Arizona with the Kevin Kolb. Too much to lose for a 1st time start.
Matt Cassel will be fine next year now that Haley is gone !!! Look Romeo and Charlie Weis are good friends. Weis wouldn’t have any problem creating the playbook with Jim Zorn or Josh McD.

Richardson to important to cut, just take a look at the injuries to Green Bay OL.

Screw Flynn

I say go after free agent Peyton Manning.

Trade Bowe for a 1st & 3rd, sign Reggie Wayne or Pierre Garcon.

We’re set for 3-4 years

If Peyton's completely healthy

We wouldn’t need to change a thing at WR. If he can make it work with some of the guys he’s had in Indy over the years, he can make it work with Baldwin/Breaston/Copper/Urban/Horne/whoever.

He could solve the OC problem too.

Since he’s done a good job as OC in Indy.

Honestly... I'd think about this long and hard.

Especially with a picks & players type of deal for him.

Don't want to trade for him.

Wouldn’t mind getting him as a free agent, though.

He won't be a free agent, Tark. You're smart enough to know that.

They’d have to try to trade him as part of the rebuilding project.

It's not impossible.

The Colts will have to pay him a shit-load of money to keep him. It’s not a given they’ll do that with Andrew Luck coming on board. And any team trading for him would not only have to give up draft choices and/or talent, but they’d be on the hook for that huge contract and roster bonus too.

It’s not like I just thought of this on my own. A great many paid analysts have speculated that there’s a good chance he’ll be waived.

I'd be all for this if it happened.

But if it’s a free agency issue, I don’t think he’d come to KC. If he was being traded, it’s a different situation.

Where in the league would he find a better situation?

A young, good defense. A stud RB. A decent WR corps. A talented young TE…

If we address offensive line a little I don’t see where he’d be a better fit.

Tarkus is right

The Colts aren’t going to pay $28m just for the right to get a couple draft picks for him. They could sign 3 elite established players for that money.

I missed the rest of your message.

Tarkus is right

LOL

DenverDonkeyHater - January 1, 2012 reply

I'd like to see Richardson at gaurd

Its valuable to have a guard who has the ability to slide over and play tackle in case of injury. Haley and Muir screwed the pooch with gaither. One of the many questionable personnel decisions that helped get Haley fired.

Hmmm.... this is a radical idea that MIGHT have some merit.

Personally, I’d rather have him has a back up.

What are U Smoking

This is the NFL not flag football. By adding Peyton Wayne or Garcon, the offensive would be to old and we would have to rebuild in three years. Can’t to that again !! Remember what happen when Herman took over !!!

Chill, dude.

Adding Peyton would make us Super Bowl contenders right now and we can draft a project to groom to take over when he’s done. If we can add Peyton and a couple lineman to protect him, we’re a top tier AFC team immediately.

IF he is healthy. He'd have to pass a serious physical before any deal would be agreed to.

You mean

like the physical before he signed his new contract?

Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there, but he bamboozled Indianapolis pretty good.

I agree and think your right. If healthy, Payton could lead the Chief's talent to the SB.

Garcon is 25 years old & has been as productive as Bowe this season

Adding one old player doesn’t make the team old. If he’s fully recovered I’d take Peyton in a heartbeat.

I don't think you "fully recover" from the type of operation he had.

I'll just go on pretending I didn't see this :)

He could be in a wheelchair and still be a better option then Cassel.

GenericBrand - January 2, 2012 reply

Recall Joe Cool !!

We did this back in 1993 when we brought in Joe Cool from the 49ers, that when we had a defense back in the day. I’m sorry that too much to bank, What about how much it going to cost U $$$$, !! Are you aware of what its costing Indy right now? They can’t keep Wayne, Garcon, and Mathis !! Peyton will need 2 TE, who do we have for him ???

Adding Mathis

I would like to see Mathis as DE. He would give us the pass rusher we been lacking sense Allen, Hicks, Smith, and the Late DT.

Mathis is 6'2" 245

He’d get eaten alive as a DE in a 3-4.

For comparison:

Dorsey is 6’1" 297
Gilberry is 6’2" 268
Bailey is 6’3" 288
Jackson is 6’4" 296

When he get's his chance, Bailey is looking good.

I agree

He’s improved as the year went along.

He'd be an OLB for us

Like Hali and Houston, I think he’d do a pretty good job at that too…

OC ?

If SD fire Norv Turner, I would rather Norv than Josh. Norv is a better OC the HC, and he does great job in developing young QB ( Cassel & Stanzi).

Mathis is better than all those guys. I just now starting to see life in Dorsey, Giberry and Bailey need more playing time, and Jackson is Jackson. Only 3 sacks in his career.

@lettergirl
I’m watching the new episide of Hoarders. Guy spent billions on a house and filled it with crap. Oh wait. It’s the Cowboys game. My bad.