Arrowhead Pride

my guess is the Palmer trade was ALL on Hue ...

Of course it was.

He bragged that it was the greatest trade in the history of the NFL.

And a 3rd for Pryor

And a 4th for Campbell

Nice idea

but what exactly are the Raiders going to give up for Matt Flynn? They traded away this years entire draft already. Only a 1st in next years draft isn’t going to get it done I bet.

money

Flynn is a free agent. The Raiders don’t need draft picks to get him.

So?

Basically
Lady Chief + Tarkus =

Damn. I wanted him to stay

like I want Denver to keep playing Tebow.

Chiefs447 - January 10, 2012 reply

Exactly

We might be in trouble if Oakland gets a good coach.

Scott B. - January 10, 2012 reply

whats the odds of them getting a good coach though

knowing its a 1 and done job

What do you mean a 1 and done job?

there for 1 year and fired before the next

Based on what a new owner and GM did their first offseason?

based on the Raiders history

and that Al’s son is a chip off the old block, maybe this is a GM wanting his own team but until that proves to be the case I see this as Ginger Al being just a crazy as Poppa Al

Crazy Poppa never hired a GM to run the show.

This is clearly a new era.

maybe

or Maybe Ginger Al is just better at PR and knows he should have a GMM for show atleast.

Like I said maybe your right and this is a new era of Raider football but for now atleast I see this as the 1st move by Ginger Al(sorry I forgot his sons name) and it looks ALOT like Crazy Al

Looks nothing like what Al would do to me.

I guess we’ll have to just agree to disagree.

Al Davis isn't there to mess with the coaches anymore

and his son did something Al never did which is get a GM

KingChief - January 10, 2012 reply

He's a hot head,

But I thought he had them heading in the right direction. Is Mckenzie going to bring one of the GB offensive assistants in to be HC ?

dbakerku - January 10, 2012 reply

Rumor is he is looking at the GB assistant head/linebacker coach

jcgokc - January 10, 2012 reply

I think he may go after Winston Moss

KingChief - January 10, 2012 reply

Ya I forgot his name but that's the guy I was talking about

jcgokc - January 10, 2012 reply

Wow

groundedchevy - January 10, 2012 reply

The division is OURS for the taking

powercat12 - January 10, 2012 reply

This is who I want as the Chiefs OC!

I’ve been waiting for this announcement. Hue is an excellent offensive mind. His run scheme is dynamic and balanced. He developed Campbell very well and he knows the AFC West. This hire could make us real dangerous!

Agreed.. even though I really hate his personality.

He's a cool guy. I've met him at a coaching clinic

His last press conference was blown out of proportion. He was pissed. The team had the division in their hands and ga e it away, I’d be pissed too. We could use his scheme, knowledge, and attitude on offense. Give me him and Trent Richardson!

Oh, I wasn't so much talking about that presser..

He just seemed really cocky and arrogant to me whenever I saw him, such as after the Carson Palmer trade when asked about who was going to start, things like that.

As Chiefs OC, obviously this wouldn’t be an issue because I’d never hear from the guy, so I’m on board for that Hue in KC. Can’t argue with his track record.

personell would have to be completely revamped for Hue's scheme.

no thanks

reedeasy - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

Good coaches

fit their scheme to the personnel they have.

This

Personnel needs to be revamped anyway!

Yes thanks! All we would need is a beefier line, which is something we all want anyway…

new WRs, completely new o-line, new RBs,

how many more offseasons do we have to wait?

reedeasy - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

What team are you watching?

We need 1 or 2 O lineman a TE and a QB on Offense

the same team that can't convert on 3rd/4th & short

let alone run a power blocking run scheme the whole game. we need maulers across the board for that & we have maybe 1?

reedeasy - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

Cant convert on short due to an undersized C and G.

How are new WR and RB gonna fix that?

Well we need a G and RT without Hue and we have Hudson

So those are needs wether or not he comes…

we dont have legit field stretchers or qb to make the PA/deep passing scheme viable right now..

maybe after another couple of 6-10/8-8 seasons..i’d rather get a fresh OC that runs a better version of the scheme we have now than change it up completely.

reedeasy - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

Bowe, Breaston and Baldwin

have just as much speed if not more than what Chad Johnson and Douchmanzadeh had. Ocho ran like a 4.54 40 at the combine. Bowe ran a 4.51.

..and you trying to tell me the Ravens receivers were fast?

Don’t have to run the exact same scheme as Oakland here. Hue knows offense.

Not to mention the power running game in the NFL is dead due to rule changes.

Like it or not this is the era of the spread in the NFL. Don’t believe me look at all the really good teams for the last few years. They all run a variation of the spread. We need a QB more than anything IMO.

Huh?

You don’t think Hue Jackson can’t work with Bowe, Breaston, and Baldwin? Raiders only used speedy guys because Al Davis wanted that! That’s not the philosophy of Hue. Also, all the fans want a beefier OL. Albert, Asamoah, and Hudson are fine. We need a new G and RT, so make the. Beefy. New RBs? We have Charles and can bring in a power guy. I don’t get it….

Charles is great around the edge & off tackle

the feature guy in between the tackles? eh…Richardson would help in that department. I just think it would take 2 whole off seasons to get the right guys in place.

reedeasy - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

Michael Bush is a FAand excelled in Hues scheme and short yardage

getting Bush as power back ... DeCastro at LG, Hudson at C, Asamoah at RG

omg, our Red Zone issues would be cured for the next 5 years!

Exactly! This is what I'm thinking!

and GMTA!

we qualify :-)

Or go Reiff and Saints OG. That would work too.

Nicks isn't going anywhere

Saints will PRINT money if that’s what it takes to keep him

Lol hey maybe they can't afford him after Bree's 100 mill contract

If so there’s Grubbs

Brees will take a Manning-like "pay cut" and accept a measley $90 Million to keep the offense intact

Yeah, I'd have to say he's one of those guys that would do that.

Sports needs more of those guys.

yup

the Saints only need one guy like that

He is so................

Breeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LadyChief - January 10, 2012 reply

too many free agents

Unless Brees signs before FA, tag is going to have be used. If know him, do they let Colston hit FA? Doubt it.

This

ok, so ... re-sign Orton while Stanzi develops

and Carr, and Bowe, of course …

so, Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, Moeaki, Charles, Bush, Dex, McClain, and Orton … and Fleener (draft) … Albert, DeCastro, Hudson, Asamoah, Someone along the front line

oh yeah!

That.... is a sexy offense there.

I’d be excited about that offense.

that's what I'm thinking ... speed outside, power inside

can you imagine the numbers Orton could put up with a cast like that? how virtually unstoppable a team could be? toss in more depth at S and a few other places …

drool-worthy

do you need a bib?

LadyChief - January 10, 2012 reply

That works just fine for me

Sign a NT if RAC thinks Powe isn’t ready and/or good enough. All done!

Shawn Rogers works for me

Maybe he’d come this time now that Romeo is HC.

There's a few attractive NT's out there

Rogers being one of them. Although if we go after a FA NT, I’d like us to be willing to go for the best available.

I just like Rogers because he played his best under Romeo

A lot like Deep Freeze. But yeah, I’d be on board with other guys (or just giving Powe a shot) as well.

Damn, when does the season start again? :(

Saturday.

Oh, you mean for the Chiefs?

Ups... I love you....r thinking....

No homo.

no homo, just Bowe-yo :-)

Not only does Hue work with his guys on Offense

he goes out of his way to find ways to help them be the players they could/should be. Like Darren McFadden. Without Hue, McFadden would not have reached his potential and become one of the best RB’s in the league (when healthy). Hue is not stuck on a specific offense. He took Jason Campbell and made him viable.

Hue Jackson builds around/uses what he has and he figures out a way to make the most out of it. Unlike some OC’s, like Josh McDaniel. Hue Jackson in KC would be a solid hire and I’m in total agreement with Larry here. Hue would be good for our offense. Love to see this happen. Plus, how motivated would he be to whip the Raiders twice every year? Great idea, hope it happens.

shotty - January 10, 2012 reply

I like the idea of Jackson as our OC

for all the reasons shotty brought up, plus he has some intensity and fire that the players could use.

Hoochdawg - January 10, 2012 reply

Larry, good to seeya! and welcome aboard the DeCastro Train :-)

All we would need is a beefier line

I'm on the DeCastro and Richardson train!

And thank you!

this almost begs the question ...

do they grab Philbin for the Raiders?

Phiblin will stay put because of fam issues

might ... truly sad for him and his family

Oh and Hue Jackson, DeCastro, and Michael Bush....there we go!

and Jason Campbell :-)

I'd love the Bush ... just as soon grab him as any RB in the draft

I do want Richardson though :)

A top 5 D and Charles/Richardson/Dex would make us SB contenders, ala 49ers

I'd rather see DeCastro than Richardson

But either would be nice. I just see our RZ struggles as a reflection of our line’s inablity to get “push” up the middle as the field shortens. DeCastro would go a long way towards fixing that.

thank you! I think that very same thing ... DeCastro and Hudson at Center (in lieu of Wiegs) and Asamoah ... omg, the very thought of it is just ... !!!

is it kickoff time yet? I am SO ready for THAT kind of offense (can you tell?)

have to say i agree with this method.

would be the best fix to our offensive issues

the trick is getting Pioli to understand and agree ...

WE know what needs to be done, but does HE know … or does he think he knows it all already and doesn’t need our expert advice?

he will probably just do whatever we dont want. so if we dont want another de, get ready

what, you mean you DON'T want a team of all TE's and DE's?

I’m shocked!

THis last draft and offseason warmed me to Pioli considerably

He addressed needs much more clearly.

Baldwin, Houston, Hudson, Bailey, and Powe were all picks I absolutely loved. Also, I loved the Breaston, Gregg, and McClain signings.

Hopefully he shows as much concern with shoring up our weak spots this year.

not particularly impressed with Gregg, other than being a stopgap upgrade over Edwards

wonder how ready Powe is to taking over that spot? I’d love Fleener in the 2nd Round at TE (not that I don’t think Moeaki is awesome, he is)

I loved the Gregg signing at the time

He hasn’t been great, no. But he was an upgrade over Edwards. He faded a little down the stretch.

as you said: go for the best

GMTA

+Gaither

Good call

That was an excellent pickup. No idea what happened there, but that’d be one less need.

Sigh.

Yep.

Like you, I loved Pioli’s offseason last year. If he can repeat that, the Chiefs should be very tough with the big 3 coming back from injury.

Agreed

yeah gaithers contract is up

i don’t think it was muir who said he couldn’t play. haley shipped him out

no way you'll ever know that

Buck'O - January 10, 2012 reply

I like DeCastro too

but I have a hard time believing our offense was a G, even an elite G away from being one of the best.

guard and a center, since hudson has to count in that scenario as hes in for weigmann

Fine a G and a C

still not convinced.

Throw in the return of Moeaki and Charles

And are you at least getting close?

Something's still missing....hmm...

OH YEAH, A Quarterback! We need a Quarterback! :-P

know what I saw that I REALLY loved from Orton v Green Bay?

the way he was going over plays with Bowe, et al on the sidelines … I don’t remember Cassel doing things like that, but I could be wrong

nonetheless, that showed me a lot of leadership right there

yeah, the talk that Orton isn't a leader is bologna

the only knocks on him are his lack of mobility & occasional poor decision making. If no Manning I’d rather roll with him in ’12.

and RT would be nice, and a really good power back like Bush ...

… and a QB not named Palko or Cassel, and a healthy JC and Moeaki (greedy? no, we call it VISION!)

yep. its all quite possible.

yanno, maybe I should be the GM ...

Eastcoastransplant - January 10, 2012 reply

I can just see the press conferences now

dripping with sarcasm the reporters would be soooo confused…BUT AP would show up for support.

would be awesome! :-)

I’d even take questions from Thorman!

Eastcoastransplant - January 10, 2012 reply

Maybe AP would get some real inside scoops then

before the ‘Wright’ media and 1 Arrowhead Drive wouldn’t be AS tight lipped?

what did half wright say today

anything

East ... do these lips look "tight" to you? ;-)

Yes we need

2 interior OL, at least one OT, another TE, a bigger RB, JC and TM to return healthy, resign Bowe, and get better QB play on offense…..and a NT, another DE, ILB, S, resign Carr, and Berry to return healthy on D

Guard and a QB

I think our offense was a healthy Charles and a better o-line away from being one of the best

Decastro moves us strongly in that direction, so I would support it

PVChiefsfan - January 10, 2012 reply

The thing is

We all know JC is going to be splitting carries with someone throughout his career…why not make it someone who’s a comparable talent? Instead of the D having to focus on the run half the time, force them to focus on it all of the time.

I’m fine with DeCastro or an OT, but I think Richardson would make the offense almost UN-defendable. And as a bonus, if either RB is injured the running game doesn’t just disappear.

then we'd have to come up with another high 1st round pick ... great idea though!

Hey, Will Shields was a 3rd rounder

Just sayin’ ;)

also, DeCastro is OG not OT

How completely?

Coryell offense: midrange to deep passes, TE as ultimate safety valve/touchdown machine, heavy does of power running game.

Erhardt-Perkins offense: short to midrange passes (emphasis on “yards in chunks”), TE as blocker/safety valve typically, mix of zone/man schemes on the o-line with heavy doses of the power running game.

The biggest issues? How plays are referred to by the staff and players (color v/s number, for example).

go_saleaumua - January 10, 2012 reply

Yeah, because the current scheme was really getting the job done

I was just saying that

Why not hire him? (I know all you people will have millions of reasons, Some valid, some not)

yea i agree

but tha only thing is that i think evryone is going to want orton at qb and i think thats the way to go. I just dnt see cassel being the 1.

kcchiefsfan515 - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

Orton should be QB if he resigns

id be ok with him as OC. hed have a hay day with our talent

He did some great things for oaklands offense

jcrunninwild - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

also..woukd he try get cambell in kc?

Just throwing this out there

jcrunninwild - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

I was just thinking this. Campbell would give us a quality backup and would push Cassel.

He could also bring Michael Bush as a bigger back. I do want Trent Richardson though :)

if Orton was starting AND we had Campbell ... why the hell would we need Cassel?

We wouldn't :)

BOOM!

BAAAAAAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LadyChief - January 10, 2012 reply

im guessing he is implying we dont resign orton

But I hope we do and trade cassel.

jcrunninwild - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

I hope we trade Cassel and Keep Orton but it's not happening :(

We'll probably carry three QBs. :)

Yes he would

He’d have Dex, Breaston, and Charles Beasting.

Good to see you back, Larry...

I wouldn’t mind it, but who would his staff be? There are some similarities between the Erhardt and Coryell offenses, but the biggest issue is how damned confusing will it be for Cassel to switch to his first (totally) new system since 2005?

Note: I am hoping we’ve got someone besides Matt behind C in 2012, but I’m not holding my breath.

go_saleaumua - January 10, 2012 reply

Thanks! I'm hoping Cassel is gone too but it's unlikely

I'm with you

He wouldn’t be a bad choice at all IMO

Agree as well.

I was hoping for a Hue Jackson Hire before we hired Todd Haley…
I’d love to see Jackson added as the OC in KC.
And judging by how much importance he puts on the QB… maybe we could trade away a couple firsts for RG3 with Hue making the arguments in favor =P

craig in calgary - January 10, 2012 reply

No matter how bad the Chiefs do,

At least the Raiders are always there to put a smile on my face. LOL, what a mess of an Orginization.

dbakerku - January 10, 2012 reply

I disagree

They are cleaning house, getting some good football minds in. Hue was old guard and this is a new change.
I don’t see how this makes them a mess.

Um, they are the Raiders.

Synonymous with dumpster fire. Every year.

Al Davis is no longer running the show.

Well, I'm sure they'll bring in lots of talent

with all those draft picks this year… wait, never mind.

Not sure what that has to do with dumpster fires.

They’re limited in what they can do for the next year or two, but that doesn’t mean it’s going to be the same ole Raiders.

doesn't mean they aren't

bringing in a Packer guy, firing a Raider guy, looking for a new head coach, has very few options in the draft… Seymour is getting older (damn him) and the new GM is, what, gonna clean house and insitute “the Packer Way?” I think we’ve got a few more years of the same old Raiders.

look, just because he's dead that doesn't mean you can count him out of things ...

He's been dead since 2003

never stopped him before

SagehenMacGyver47 - January 10, 2012 reply

They Are Cleaning House

With no top draft picks until… I don’t even know when. This move puts a team that has a lot of talent that was pulling together offensively (finally) and puts them in rebuild mode.

Spiderwomn69 - January 10, 2012 reply

Yes, I mean, he exceeded expectations

but what ELSE did he do? Fired.

completely agree with you craig. this was needed change. new gm, new group of people

its like when herm was let go, and pioli brought in his own.

What are they going to replace the mess with?

They gave their entire draft away for three QBs already. It’s going to be a long rebuild in Oakland if they are completely cleaning house.

remember when Pioli took over for the Chiefs?

THIS

Akr_Baby - January 10, 2012 reply

YES. this

ok i'm just asking a question so don't crucify me

But when he was just an OC, wasn’t he actually a pretty good one. From what I remember the year before he was the HC raiders were right next to us in rushing, but also a top offense? even though they sucked and still do

Yep, I think he was a good OC

Just another bad move by OAK

powercat12 - January 10, 2012 reply

They went from 31st to 10th in total offense after they hired him.

So who are the other top potential FA OC's now

Would it just be him then? I know he’s an ex raider….I’m just saying. People can crucify me for thinking it. But at the same time. I really don’t see too many other top names out there who have been pretty good at being an OC

If you look at the conversations above...

I don’t think ANYONE is going to crucify you for considering this. Everyone else is too.

Bleedingredandgold - January 10, 2012 reply

Yeah

I could get behind HJ as OC here

Bad move by Oakland

This dude was gettin it turned around. If McFadden hadnt gone done, theyd be in the tourney.

ArrowDread - January 10, 2012 reply

tomorrow:

Raiders hire Todd Haley!! ; )

reedeasy - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

day after tomorrow:

Raiders acquire Tyler Palko from Kansas City Chiefs for low, low price of 1st and 2nd in 2018.

severn58 - January 10, 2012 reply

Heh.

No that gets another.

Heh. Heh.

And one more

Heh
:)

Eastcoastransplant - January 10, 2012 reply

Well that's like a 6th & 7th in 2012 right?

Good deal for them IMO :D

That was my first thought.

I think Haley would fit in perfectly with the Raiders. He’s got the personality.

Bono Bootleg - January 10, 2012 reply

THIS... would be hilarious.

Im guessing they go after Gruden again.. now that Al is gone.

Makes a lot of sense actually

Apparently 8-8 in your first year of coaching just isn't good enough

Even with all the adversity.

NJChieffan16 - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

or, the new gm just wants his own guy. i dont blame him one bit, why take someone else's head coach?

That's true

But I would think that trying to work with him first would be good. Maybe a year? Maybe Hue didnt want to give in to his demands

NJChieffan16 - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

i dont know, personally, and this is pure opinion of course, i would want to start fresh, with my own head coach if i finally got the shot as a gm

i dont know, personally, and this is pure opinion of course, i would want to start fresh, with my own head coach if i finally got the shot as a gm

but as a GM, your job is on the line too

If you keep a guy you don’t really want just to ‘give it a shot’, that’s less time you have for installing your own people if it doesn’t work out.

Chiefsdodgerslakers2415 - January 10, 2012 reply

Ask Tom Cable

He knows what you are talking about.

Except Cable was fired after three years, not one.

the same thing that was said about tom cable

Jackson- OC; Cable- OL coach
Sign ’em up

ArrowDread - January 10, 2012 reply

doesnt shock me even a tiny bit.

if i went into the raider situation, i would want to mold that team around a different image….get away from the al davis penalty fest….hue jackson wanted more control, and quite frankly was part of that past which included the penalty record that kept them out of the playoffs..

if it were me, from the packers, hired as raiders gm….this is a no brainer

AL DAVIS LIVES!!

This is the same dumb crap Al Davis did. I suppose 8-8 and being in the race for the AFC West wasn’t good enough for the Raiders. Although, I really shouldn’t be surprised.

Dtrain11j - January 10, 2012 reply

but its not, they have a new gm, a new guy running the show....would you want to then run it your way?

this is BAD news for chief fans imo

because finally they are changing it up, and finding a new way

raiders getting a gm is bad news for the division for sure.

reedeasy - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

That new GM has a 5th and 6th round pick

to work with.

He'll probably get fired next year

for an ineffective draft

DC_ChiefsFan - January 10, 2012 reply

Agreed.

Although I’m laughing at Hue, I think this could be bad news for Chiefs fans.

yes. agree completely

If the Chief's make the right moves, it shouldn't matter what the other teams do. The

biggest problem is getting the “right” QB.

jcox31mc - January 10, 2012 reply

precisely why it's so important for Pioli to ensure that Kyle orton re-signs with the team for 2012 ...

excellent thinking!

Honestly, I'm still having a hard time shaking the idea...

of franchsing Bowe, then trading him along with maybe next year’s first to STL for that 2nd pick and getting RG3.

ESPECIALLY if Bowe is making unreasonable contract demands.

I see that offer as being at least as appealing to STL as anything else they’ll be offered, and not crippling us for the future.

well, that assumes Bowe's demands ARE unreasonable

it also assumes that Baldwin can make the next level jump to be what Bowe has been for us (talentwise, potentialwise, probably … headwise and taking charge of his own situation remains to be seen)

it also assumes that we can find OLinemen as good (or nearly as good) as DeCastro in the 2nd or 3rd (or FA, but the only one I see is Nicks and I can’t imagine him leaving the Saints)

it also assumes that RG3 is “NFL Ready” and that’s not a guarantee

it also assumes we have no OTHER immediate needs to fill with a top pick NEXT year

a lot of assumptions there, MN …

Mostly, it assumes RG3 is half as good as he's cracked up to be

In which case the rest of those issues drastically lower in their importance.

if we had the OLine holes done, just a bit more depth, etc ... I'd be so much more tempted to say "go for it"

I get that

It’s just tough to say no to a guy like RG3

With speculation that St Louis may be targeting Blackmon in the draft

I can’t see how they would say no to Bowe and extra draft picks. You are getting an established WR asking with extra ammunition to fill the numerous holes the team has. For RG3, I would have to do it if the Rams were willing

RememberDelaney37 - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

This is officially my top candidate for OC

Make it so, Number 1

DanielH123 - January 10, 2012 reply

I don't know what's better

1. Hue Jackson being fired
2. San Diego keeping Norv Turner
3. Tebow somehow winning a playoff game and being viewed as the savior in Donkey Land.

RAC should be licking his chops…AFC West DOMINATION should be ours if we just stay out of our own way….

chai1836 - January 10, 2012 reply

2. easily 2.

I like 'em all

chai1836 - January 10, 2012 reply

agreed

but 1 is amazing too

aFan4Life - January 10, 2012 reply

1 is scary. they are starting a new image, new coaches, new. that means order, somethng they have lacked

What is the world coming to....

when you think the Raiders are assembling some type of logic and order to their organization? :)

chai1836 - January 10, 2012 reply

exactly

Tebow won a playoff game

By torching a good D. Hopefully he’s not becoming a decent passer, or that’s trouble

if he's even close to that good on a long-term basis ... yeah, Broncos could be tough to deal with

Elway was “ugly” when he first came to the NFL … hellacious arm but his game was more like “streetball” than anything else … organized chaos, if you will

Tebow could develop a bit and become a VERY dangerous QB in this league

None of those throws was really into tight windows.

Tebow doesn’t scare me one bit.

Sudden - January 10, 2012 reply

Bet he didn't scare the Steelers either

Now to be fair, we made him look terrible, so maybe our D is better than we thought.

Steelers screwed the pooch.

DE’s didn’t stay home, let him scramble left, corners let the receivers get behind them… just another game in a long list of games where the opponent had as much to do with Denver’s success as Tim Tebow.

How long does that list get

Before we start to give him more credit?

Although you make good points…

When he completes more than 8 passes in two games

against the Chiefs?

Fair enough

we have much better secondary than the Steelers ... they sold out to stop the run which left themselves "exposed" in those man-on-man coverages

top that off with the broncos having a MUCH better gameplan overall …

but I agree: give Tebow some credit … and Fox & Co for their playcalling as well

they did what they needed to do, the Steelers didn’t … simple as that (and that OT play was a thing of beauty, it really was the perfect play)

the throw was pretty awesome for Tebow

and the straight arm and run by the receiver was damn fine… but why doesn’t Ike dive and try to make the tackle? Hindsight, I know, but some 65 yards after the catch with no safety back, that’s all Tebow? Please.

No one's saying it was all Tebow

But he did play a good game.

Yes, he did.

And don't overlook

some of the super wide-open guys that he threw worm-burners to or just flat out missed.

I heard so much about how he’s a “sight passer” and needs to see his guys open before throwing and so on. Even when he saw guys streaming wide open he couldn’t put it where it needed to be.

He completed some nice deep balls to guys in single coverage. Still, he only completed 10 passes, and less than 50%. When you complete 10 passes for over 300 yards – that says more to me about the opposing D than your “skill” at QB.

I sure hope so

47.3% completion rate for his career so far

He’s got a long way to go before I consider him scary.

I think with a lot of hard work

he can make it over 50% next season.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/03/3351368/hiring-an-nfl-coach-can-be-a-perverse.html

Interim to head coach promotions never work

HIV 2 Elway - January 10, 2012 reply

no RAC love?

powercat12 - January 10, 2012 reply

Quick, name one interim to head coach promotion that worked

I like RAC but the deck is stacked against him

HIV 2 Elway - January 10, 2012 reply

Shit the Star had an article on it....

HIV 2 Elway - January 10, 2012 reply

Well we could have...

not hired RAC. Brought in some other less worthy candidate. Probably lost RAC to be DC for some other team and brought in practically a whole new coaching staff and started back at almost square one on offense on defense.

At least by hiring RAC we maintain some consistency on the side of the ball where we played best.

DeuceDouglas - January 10, 2012 reply

Name the last interim who had previous HC experience....

Sudden - January 10, 2012 reply

Touche

HIV 2 Elway - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

Would it have been different

Had the Chiefs just promoted RAC from DC to HC?

DrDC - January 10, 2012 reply

Marv Levy?

Wasn’t he an interim coach? I think NFLN had a Top 10 on interim coaches

JoeWichita - January 10, 2012 reply

Never say never HIV

Jeff Fisher was interim HC for the Oilers before a solid 15 year run with the team. Didn’t win a SB but I wouldn’t call what he did a failure.

I still don’t know who we would have brought in that would have been head-and-shoulders above Crennel in terms of quality.

This is bad news for Chiefs fans

The faiders may actually start putting a good team together again. I was afraid good moves might start occurring out in Oakland once Al passed away. I had hoped they would leave Hue “sacrifice anything for now” Jackson in a place of power.

ValkRider - January 10, 2012 reply

I agree

One of my best friends is a die hard Raiders fan and i always said they would never do anything until Al died, i just didn’t think it would be so soon. They will good here in a few years, they have a good young core of guys, not Chiefs good, but still good. If they could bring in some bright minds and fix their discipline problem then watch out. But they are still the Raiders so they will probably mess something up along the way.

KC_Chiefer - January 10, 2012 reply

We say this every time they fire their head coach

“Uh oh – this is bad, they might get someone in there that can turn things around. They’ve got a pretty good core of players and with the right coaching… blah blah blah”

I heard it after Turner, Shell, Kiffin, Cable, and now Jackson.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

I see your point

but that was with Al running the rest of the show. With Al gone I fear they might actually make smart decisions.

ValkRider - January 10, 2012 reply

I do worry a bit about McKenzie

He’s been with the Packers in player development and management for the past 15+ years.

I also hear that he’s going to gut that organization and bring in some of his folks from GB to “right the ship”.

Of all of the times we have been concerned with this – this may actually be the time it happens. I have respect for McKenzie – there is a good chance he can get things fixed in Oakland.

They fire Hue Jackson after he engineered

“the greatest trade in the history of the NFL?” No way.

exactly. he was looking out for hue, and it failed. so he should go. he set back the org for years

Could this free up

Al Saunders for a possible return and would he consider it?

Good point

We were pretty good under Al Saunders. Actually that were some of our best years of offense

so is saunders or hue responsible for offense turn around in oakland?

jcrunninwild - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

I would guess Saunders.

I seem to recall Al doing wonders with another weak armed QB in K.C. His system actually made him look pretty damn good.

That and an all world line.

hes also seriously one of the greatest people ive ever been lucky to be around

hes an incredible coach, an incredible person. well respected…he would get it done here in kc again

Saunders was not there until this season.

would love this

if marty gets the job in tampa i bet saunders goes there if he's available

if marty doesn’t get the job i think saunders comes to kc

do you realize that Saunders is about as old as (if not older than) Bill Muir?

Difference is, he's actually done it. Successfully.

But I’d rather have a younger coach, who is more likely to be around a few years from now. Wouldn’t hate the hire, though.

i would take saunders i think he got a few years left

hue wouldn’t be bad either

Booooo

I hate this move :(

worc - January 10, 2012 reply

Let's take him as a OC

He has a little attitude , but hey maybe that’s what our offense needs . Plus some inside info on the raiders ;)

chiefsman! - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

we don't need a guy like him on the staff

just listen to the things he says…somethings not right there

worc - January 10, 2012 reply

After the Raiders broke the penalty record

I saw this coming.

dbaty7 - January 10, 2012 reply

I was actually surprised our 98 squad held the record

I remember that was the year of the “Monday Night Meltdown”, but I didn’t know that year was THAT bad.

yeah we were bad going into that game

The meltdown just helped(or made worse) the already bad situation

dbaty7 - January 10, 2012 reply

and that was supposed to be "the year".

“Falcon’s gonna fly!”….remember that?

Ah yes, DT’s “falcon” role that wasn’t going to limit where he played, he was going to be all over the place sacking folks like a mofo. I was excited. I was also in high school and a bit naive ;)

Topchief1 - January 10, 2012 reply

you and me both

That was the season that drove Marty out of KC…and we haven’t had any kind of consistency since.

new gm is going to want his own coach, and qb. no surprise here. cable is the reason that lynch had such a good year in seattle. I watched a lot of their games on the dish.

kc571 - January 10, 2012 reply

Funny that this guy wanted input on the GM hire.

The guy was awfully arrogant for a first year head coach on an 8-8 team.

Yeah, that likely didn't help his cause

yeah and bashing your players at the end of the season didn't help

a gm doesn’t want a player revolt going on

LONG LIVE THE LEGACY OF CRAZY AL!!!

if i were coach crennel

I would be on top of this real quik i think oakland is tha only team i worry about in this divison and hiring hue would give us insight on how these players work advantages and what have you i bet hue is brought in here soon!

kcchiefsfan515 - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

I think I'd go for Saunders first.

If he’s available. He’s done well everywhere he’s been and he would have total control over the offense. Not sure who else is out there but it’s going to be interesting.

DeuceDouglas - January 10, 2012 reply

I agree

Saunders is the best option between the two, he is a proven winner and has a great offensive mind. But in all honesty i wouldn’t mind either. like kcchiefsfan515 said above, any inside knowledge would be key for the Raiders. Over the next decade they will be our toughest competition.

KC_Chiefer - January 10, 2012 reply

Yea I'd Agree

Honestly I would go for Either guy. Both are offensive minds, and both have done well. Not to mention as I said before Saunders used to be a Chief and was apart of the chiefs when we were winning sonsistently and had one of the top offenses in the league.

yes. with the talent we have...oh my gosh would jamaal put up insane rushing and recieving stats

so we hire Mel Tucker an Hue Jackson as our DC/OC combo

and achieve the blackest coaching staff in the NFL

IPWT2009 - January 10, 2012 reply

LMAO

never looked at it that way. we could make history

Swilk15 - January 10, 2012 reply

i heard gunther was in trouble in detroit

then hire keith armstrong at special teams

and Lance Armstrong as trainer on the elliptical machines and ...

they were naming black coachess....keith armstrong is a well known special teams coach

i wouldnt hire him, but i was adding to this

lance armstrong would be white

SagehenMacGyver47 - January 10, 2012 reply

different lance armstrong

This could actually be trouble...

Yeah, Hue Jackson had the Raiders heading in the right direction, but with the new GM, I’m REALLY concerned about moves he might make. They have a solid foundation, and with the right hires, they’ll be scary.

agreed. I have always said the worst thing that could happen regarding the Raiders is Al Davis passing.

Which means we might not be able to rely on the Raiders being the Raiders

in that they always find a way to squander games/division titles/playoff games/ super bowls and might actually be……..good.

they finally have order. the palmer trade showed the chaos within the org, and if this gm just cleans house, he can set up a packers west

Cool!

We’ll have a Packers West to go along with our Patriots Central

On another note welcome to Oakland Matt Flynn

IPWT2009 - January 10, 2012 reply

They can have him.

He’s the second coming of Kevin Kolb…of which Az is already thinking about dumping. I’ll take Bush as our second back with JC.

At least Flynn has shown more than Kolb

Yes, Kolb has more starts, but I remember when Kolb was playing for the Eagles, I wasn’t impressed with his him.

On a side note, this coffee is taking too long to kick in cause I have too many typos.

Flynn has played in 2 games

and he won’t be throwing to GB WRs.

lol

as their backup… they are stuck with Palmer

focs - January 10, 2012 reply

Seriously - they're tied up

I mean, I’m all for them blowing more money on a QB – and pissing away all those picks they have wasted on other QBs for what would amount to nothing. But with Palmer and Campbell due to come back – I just don’t see this happening.

Cool.

Go ahead and sit the guy that cost them a #1 and a #2.

Not to mention the guy who cost them a #3 and the guy who cost them a #4.

All for a guy with a couple good games.

That won't happen. They can't afford him.

Unless they have a trading fire sale.

LookListenLearn - January 10, 2012 reply

Art Shell _huskers next raider hc

Arrowhead25 - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

This makes me happy

Because he was actually doing a good job of turning that team around.

If by turning the team around

You mean taking Cable’s 8-8 team and leading them to another 8-8 record, I agree.

And setting a record in futility when it came to discipline.

And by trading away their future for an average, turnover prone QB and…well nevermind you get the point.

Indeed.

you get the point.

porkchop_sandwiches - January 10, 2012 reply

This is Hilarious, I just told a raiders fan the other day. "I give Hue another year at the most"

The raiders organization will just now start to realize the damage this guy has done to there franchise. lol I love it!

Hue Jackson: McKenzie is going to "gut this place"

porkchop_sandwiches - January 10, 2012 reply

Not saying I'm impressed with Oaklands talent, but hopefully the fall out from this is we can cherry pick a few decent players.

smart man that mckenzie, lets hope he puts in a failed attempt at green bay west

The Raiders waited until after we announced our new HC.

Think maybe they were worried we’d hire Hue? Just a thought.

Why would that worry them?

Like I said, just a thought.

Random as it is. Competing organizations tend to prefer not to make trades within their division. Coach swapping would probably be included in that as well.

as HC? not a chance that ever crossed their minds

Throughout the years, I always had this feeling that the Raiders were an arrogant team who always thought they were better than they really were

But with the recent changes, I actually think this could be the start of something new.

RG3 has officially declared.

and with the 4th pick, the cleveland browns select: Robert Griffin III

Scratch that!! The chiefs have shocked the nation and just traded D Bowe and their 1st and 2nd for the Rams 1st and brandon lloyd

With the 2nd pick the KC chiefs have selected: RG3

As long as we are dreaming here, i would like 2 playmate girlfriends and a confy robe!

MizzouChief - January 10, 2012 reply

Come on cant i dream a lil bit?? I dont want to see #7 ever agian...

It's a good thing you're dreaming... cuz he's coming back next year!

a comfy ROBE? that's IT?!?

I like your chances better

than the Chiefs drafting RG3.

They traded a free agent?

That is shocking.

So did we :) sign and trade...

Chiefsdodgerslakers2415 - January 10, 2012 reply

Jeremy...

That would be a nightmare trade for me. Way too much for a QB that is one hit away from a career ending injury.

Well you can say that about anyone player.. This is a vicous sport, (johnny Knox) thats why they get paid the money they do(

And your telling me that if there is a chance to move up you wouldnt take it? Im not sure how you can rationalize going into next season with #7 under center..

did you see Cam newton play this year? Im determined that if he can do it, RG will do even better. Dude has a arm, intelligence, pocket presence, and is very mobile. If we have to give up Bowe i would, i love him and we would take a step back in the WR dept. but we can then address that by bringing in Colston or Vincent Jackson both who are going to be FA.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php

And ifs not at all possible ill take this:

peyton manning is going to be under center

You don't think he'll play any shotgun?

he will play shotgun, until we find b. rich replacement

mims or resign gaithers

maybe, but for what team?

Ahhh...The Rayduhs...Consistantly Inconsistant ...

KCChef - January 10, 2012 reply

This doesn't surprise me at all.

I expected this. Hue Jackson was an Al Davis guy. Reggie McKenzie is going to change that entire culture. He is going to put HIS stamp on the team.

5 big moves for Oakland this offseason:

1. Hire Joe Philbin
2. Sign Matt Flynn
3. Trade Carson Palmer
4. Re-sign Michael Bush
5. Trade Darren McFadden

citadelchief - January 10, 2012 reply

i could see this.. I love it all and It is the raiders!

1. A nobody ask any packer coach/fan Mike makes all calls
2. Another Matt Cassel, product of the system
3. Typical Raiders move, lose the drafts pick and player
4. This would be a REAL smart move actually
5. Like 3 typical raider move.

I'm ok with all of that.

Would be hillarious if they tag Flynn and trade him and old LB to the Raiders for a 2nd round pick

Fail

"I’m going take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization," Jackson said after the Raiders’ season ended with a disappointing 8-8 record.

apparently you do that as a fan

Huh?

He's saying that apparently Hue means he'll be doing those things as a fan.

Yes, because Hue was just promoted to paying patron

OIC

I think this guy would be nice as OC

Probably the best OC on the market at the minute.

kc_okerix - January 10, 2012 reply

Wonder if Palmers next to be cut

Now THAT would be fuckin hilarious

KCinIL - January 10, 2012 reply

NFL Network reports

that Oakland can cut ties with Palmer after next year with minimal cap impact. Not sure exactly what they mean by “minimal,” but he might not be long for them, either.

...but maximum draft impact

which is all that matter. Raiders have been flushing cap space down the toilet for decades now. Just ask Javon Walker and DeAngelo Hall.

Stanford Routt would like to speak with you.

I'm watching the Oakland presser

Mark Davis has a really, really, really bad haircut.

From Crypt Keeper to the Good Guy doll

He takes the nickname Chucky away from Gruden.

x

ExRoyalsFan - January 10, 2012 reply

Worst. Haircut. Ever.

lawlz

ExRoyalsFan - January 11, 2012 reply

Ya, he's freakish, isn't he?

definitely Al's Spawn...

SFLChief - January 11, 2012 reply

Maybe Gruden's coming back

now that Al’s gone ;)

MGDog - January 10, 2012 reply

:)

simple.

trade your 2012 1st round pick, and 2013’s 2nd for a nobody QB……you’re fired.

be cee - January 10, 2012 reply

And then say you're going to have even GREATER influence.

Don't be fooled

McKenzie even called the Palmer a trade a “good move”. In any event, it is Mark Davis’ team, not Hue Jackson’s. He makes the final decisions.

Whats he supposed to say?

What a stupid move now I’m stuck with this turnover prone, average QB. Palmer is all he’s got and he has zero options to change that. He’s not going to throw you’re only QB option under the bus.

Of course he's going to call it a good move.

That means nothing. He has no choice but to spin it as positively as he can.

And Hue acted as pseudo GM for Davis prior to McKenzie being hired.

Look

Palmer was coming out after 9 months on the couch, and he had some bad games. He also had some really good games, and made throws that Campbell could never make. In that last game against SD, he threw for 400 yards. He was the only one out there doing anything.

most people would hesitate

to give that up for manning, let alone CP. you just dont trade your draft away like that. especially when you have a history of making bonehead personnel moves, which have set your franchise back continually.

be cee - January 11, 2012 reply

mckenzie is the one who was fooled.

be cee - January 11, 2012 reply

How did Hue get fired before Bresnahan?

The Panda's contract is up in a couple days.

no need to fire him

IPWT2009 - January 10, 2012 reply

Ahhh that makes sense now.

Thank you.

Yup

Good news for you guys. We’re going back to the drawing board again. Please take this division next season away from the Broncos before they rename it the “Jesus Bomb Division”.

Hmmm

AFC West > JBD