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I'm not a big fan of drafting a Guard high in the first round, but...

David DeCastro would be a starter at LG, while KC could easily get Andrew Datko in the 3rd, to take over at Right Tackle. That Leaves the 2nd round for a bonus… Like a RB or TE, or maybe a ILB. I don’t see anything at WR after the 1st round. Last year was better. OT, RB, and CB are the most plentiful talent this year. There’s a lot of defensive talent this year, but it’s scattered among several positions in various rounds. This should be Pioli’s best draft. If he plays his cards right in rounds 1 & 2, some of his best deals will be in 3, 4, and 5.

David Winton - January 11, 2012 reply

and I wouldn't bother with a RB in the 2nd ...

TE: Dwayne Allen would be so nice, but he’s gone in the 1st … Fleener maybe in 2nd, or depth in Secondary at CB or S … just a thought

That Fleener does have good hands and is not a bad blocker, I'd give up a third rounder for that guy.

Kool TA - January 12, 2012 reply

Even an imbecile like me has been harping on this particulat topic for more than 2 years.

How long has Scotty been here? If he can get a starting RT, that will give him much flexibility in the draft. Add a starting Center to the mix and we will have a chance to kick butt in the AFC West next year.

Call me crazy....

But I’ve always believed in getting a TRUE Left tackle and move Fat albert to guard where he belongs. We need a franchise left tackle. I’ve always liked Mike adams from Ohio state to play right tackle. I hope the Chiefs really make this happen because this team would take off for sure. Get some new O Lineman as well as maybe peyton manning this is the chiefs 1993 season all over again maybe better.

Zac Saleski - January 11, 2012 reply

you mean aside from the fact that Albert played better than at least 27 of the NFL starting LT's

IPWT2009 - January 11, 2012 reply

Thanks for commenting, Crazy

I see your sentiments fall right in line with your namesake.

Albert is just fine at LT. LG, C, and RT are the positions that need addressed. We MAY have the C spot already on the roster, but that’s an unknown at this point.

kaching!

we HAVE a winner!

His Royal Greatness - January 11, 2012 reply

I concur

tell him what he’s won!!!

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We MAY have a C spot already on the roster

But i sure do like Konz out of Wisconsin.

how is he in terms of pulling and movement along the line? big strong, I know ... can he move his feet?

Not sure ups

I’ve seen the you tube videos, the scouting reports, and all the hardware that came with his many accomplishments. Let me investigate some more, cause you’re right. With the ZB scheme, it’s important.

That scheme is far too restrictive.

It actually sucks for short yardage and goal to go plays. I see the proof every sunday. Drop that shit like it’s hot!

skunk420 - January 11, 2012 reply

I don't think the scheme is the issue there ... I think having a 39 year old C and a weak LG is the real problem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPMVloAiCTA
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo4Ct96jlEc

This

Lilja is crafty but can be outmatched and has not looked as good in front of someone not named Peyton Manning

PVChiefsfan - January 11, 2012 reply

It also requires those quick UNDERSI2ED linemen

who get BLOWN OFF THE LOS when the ball is snapped in short yardage. Beef and a half, BB, drop one!

skunk420 - January 14, 2012 reply

Ups

I just watched a couple more videos, namely:

He’s obviously an ox when it comes to man-blocking. He does, from time to time, overextend himself and loses his base. That’s coaching, no biggie.

You asked if he can pull? Yes, he’s actually pretty quick at it and gets to the hole well before the RB does on a couple of occasions in the videos.

His movement along the line is impressive and his blocking at the next level is crushing… when he makes contact. I’ve seen him wiff a couple of times in the videos. But that’s just coaching also. Once he gets to his man he just needs to square up better instead of letting his man put a juke on him.

I hope that answered your questions.

On another note, I’ve been watching video of all the OT candidates. As I was watching TJ Fluker from Alabama, I wasn’t that impressed with his 82 pound feet stuck in quicksand but I couldn’t help but noticed the guy playing OG right next to him: #75 Barrett Jones. You want to talk about a stud OG? Lemme tell you something, that is a man among boys. Does anybody have news on him? Is he declaring this year?

barrett jones

is indeed returning for his senior year

x11Bravox - January 11, 2012 reply

yeah, this (good job)

nice job! and thank you ... just looked up Jones, he's returning for Senior year

Okay... You're crazy!

I’ve always believed in getting a TRUE Left tackle and move Fat albert to guard where he belongs.

chiefsfan62 - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

That

You're not crazy.

Albert is an average LT….people put up some efficient study, but nobody knows what that means. He plays well sometimes, and bad sometimes. He has his games like he did against Indy….which B Rich also played well….then he has his games where he is a liability. Can he be our LT….sure…but if a better LT is there, should we move him to G….why not???? I think Pioli is going to get the best OL he can no matter who plays where. People get so defensive on this board about Albert (just like Dorsey last year…..wow has that changed)….all you are doing is giving your opinion on how to make the Chiefs better. The people that say Albert is an elite or very good LT are giving their opinion. My opinion is that he is average, and has hit his ceiling. He is done after 2012 and Pioli won’t pay him….so we better draft his replacement this year.

Ah, yes.

The old “I don’t understand their argument, so no one does and it’s irrelevant” argument.

jaeger - January 12, 2012 reply

Rielly Rieff

neiowakcfan - January 11, 2012 reply

or DeCastro, or Martin

If we stay in that spot

I think it will be one of those 3.

If it's between

Rieff and Martin, I would take Martin cuz he could move to the left side

I think we have to put Lilja back on the right.

maybe LG was his natural position, but he could have been playing out of position his whole career. Asomoah has certainly show enough for me to believe he could make the switch. In this situation we would only need to find a RT

IPWT2009 - January 11, 2012 reply

We meed to sit Lilja the heck down.

Costan2a should be starting in his place.

skunk420 - January 11, 2012 reply

I agree

But cassel can certainly hurt the line . Fix the line and qb . Grab some depth , then we should be good .

chiefsman! - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

Who are you agreeing with?

chiefsfan62 - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

Also, I seem to remember Scott cutting a certain Offensive Lineman who made the pro bowl this year. #depth

KS - January 11, 2012 reply

I think it's more about asmoah

Getting him the starts . I don’t think waters would wanna sit under a young kid

chiefsman! - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

But Asamoah plays RG

Waters was always a LG for us…

ChiefWarPaint - January 11, 2012 reply

Ah yes you are right

Unless they thought about him being on the left. Who knows , apparently not muir because he lost waters AND gaither .

chiefsman! - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

could have been two

had we cut Gaither sooner

IPWT2009 - January 11, 2012 reply

David DeCastro? please, Scotty, just this once!

SportingIntellect - January 11, 2012 reply

3 years to figure this out...

Hmmmmm. It should have been a priority day one. You draft skill positions first to sell tickets. You draft plow horses to win.

12t - January 11, 2012 reply

I'd argue that he has worked on it.

2 free agent pick ups two drafted linemen we have had holes at other spots two cant just spent whole drafts on linemen

wanna bet? ;-)

cant just spent whole drafts on linemen

First 2 picks on o-line wouldn't hurt my feelings..

chiefsfan62 - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

I'd cry.... tears of joy!

They should be

Only way Matt Cassel is going to be successful. Because Matt Cassel WILL be our QB.

Sigh…

give me DeCastro and Adcock at 1 and 2

And I’ll shine Scott’s head at home games!

Falcon58 - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

but, but, but

that would mean we couldn’t draft a franchise QB in the first round to back up Orton…. </Cassel hater BS>

planb247 - January 11, 2012 reply

He has worked on it...

about like I’ve worked on getting in shape and eating better. I’ll probably get serious…if I live through my first "big one’

12t - January 12, 2012 reply

and we all know

winning sells no tickets!

yeah, I'm sure once we win that AFC championship or Super Bowl

People will stop coming to watch. #mobilesarcasm

Falcon58 - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

pioli tried to lure olinemen.

Last year but none gave him a chance choosing to sign without even hearing a pitch from pioli. Kc needs to be more aggressive with our offers. Or atleast getting our offers heard atleast

Dead Believer - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

Lilja had a strong 2010 season right?

I thought he was playing better than this season anyways. Maybe if we stick him back at RG, swing Asamoah to LG and leave Hudson at center. Grab a FA RT and we’d be much more flexible in the draft. We’d also have an extremely young line. Pair that with our younger running backs and it’d be setting the team up for dominance on the ground for the next few years.

I think cassel also makes the line look worse than it actually is. His pocket presence isn’t the greatest and he tends to hold onto the ball for too long. Of course I’m beating a dead horse here but whatever.

SoCalChief17 - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

I aint grabbin' no ones farts

You'll grab it and you'll enjoy it

You filthy SOB

SoCalChief17 - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

I'd far rather pick up a young stud in the draft for LG and have the interior of the OLine "set" for a decade

I agree RT is spot we need to upgrade, hopefully FA or the draft (if not on roster, which is doubtful) but in my mind LG is a priority (assuming Hudson steps in at C and Asamoah remains at RG)

to that I’d love adding a quality guy like Bush in FA … have ourselves a Red Zone power threat to go with moving the ball between the 20’s (and by that I mean Orton, not Cassel)

Lilja will be fine, as long as he's not trying to make up for Wiegmann's shortcomings

Improvement from center play (Hudson?) will allow Lilja to focus on his own re-development at LG (aiming he played LG in Indy, I might be wrong on that)

RememberDelaney37 - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

No, he was a LG in Indy, you're right.

If we go to a more power-based scheme though, he’s not going to be nearly as good a fit. Some of it depends on what system RAC’s offensive coordinator and line coaches employ…as we’ve seen, this administration is not afraid to impose a new system on existing parts (our 2009 4-3 defense playing a 3-4 scheme, for example).

If we can find a starter in the 3rd or 4th we can sit him for a year

And let him develop and toss him out like we did Asamoah. We need another mauler on the line. I have wet dreams over cassel having 3 minutes to throw the ball or having holes big enough for Charles to drive a semi through.

I really hope we bring McClain back and put some emphasis on blocking. Romeo knows how much fun it is to exploit a teams blocking tendencies, he should know that an offense needs a line first and foremost.

SoCalChief17 - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

Cassel gives you wet dreams?

I think we can get away with BRich if needed if we find a non-immediate starter for RT in the draft

but that, to me, is yet another reason to grab DeCastro in the first: he’s ready to go, and along with Hudson completes the interior of the line and gives (someone at QB) plenty of time AND helps open holes on short yardage and in the Red Zone (man we’re bad at that, worst in the league is not a good thing)

where is DeCastro expected to go in the draft?

mid first round

right about where we pick

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Earth to ups, find whip and self flagelate for that blasphemy, BRich has got to go. I

understand you are trying to sway AP folks into thinking DeCastro is the solution, but it just ain’t so. Remember the hype on Dorsey, best since Reggie White. You are likely buying an agents campaign and pig in a poke. Can we use an upgrade at Lidja’s spot, sure we can, but it isn’t THE priority on the line. That is RT and C. There is a limitation in the scheme that is known as Zone Blocking and that is short yardage running plays up the gut. What is broken is both the playcalling and the execution. If the players don’t buy the play how they gonna execute? Not sure if you ever played football, or O-line for that matter, but when the guy across is bigger and stronger all you have is technique and execution off the snap.

I have some spaghetti ... will that work? :-)

ok, so you suggest we go off tackle on every power play in the red zone? really? FYI, DeCastro is the best pulling guard around … so yeah, he can help in a lot of places

You miss the point, seldom try to overpower anybody, it is not the schemes strength.

Think of it this way. You had infantry like the Brit’s when we had our revolution that is comparable to a power line. They lined up in ranks and battered you with volleys of fire, then finished you with bayonets.Then you have infantry that was us, that is more ZBS. More mobile and the tactic of shoot and scoot, not being conventional, more mobility and shoot and scoot. Power versus mobility. There is no right or wrong, it’s just the fact that we use the ZBS and it is vital that you stay within it’s parameters. Yes, it’s about mismatches and misdirection, creating confusion that sets up defenders to get blocked..

ok, so what IS your point? I know you don't just overpower everyone ...

but remember too: BRich is a better run blocker than pass protector, that said, as Prof Mills or someone noted: if you get strong quick guys, they can play ZBS or Power … whereas pure power guys can only play that

The point is you keep harping on short yardage and a short yardage defense.

ain’t going to get moved off the line by our smaller quicker guys. The best tackles have an ability to run block and pass block. In the NFL it is all about passing and if you can’t, then the other team plays 8 in the box, shuts your run game down and kills the QB when you try to pass. Yes we want strong quick guys, BRich ain’t quick, not even close. Besides that he made several bonehead plays last year, and not just penalties. Sometimes in pass pro, he just forgot his assignment and let the D by while he looked to the inside. He is absolutely the biggest liability on this team. PERIOD!!!!!!

fine, be that way ... just get DeCastro and you can have anyone else you want at RT

:-)

A good guard CAN help cover deficiencies at tackle...but not all of them.

We need beef everywhere, I’m good with keeping Lilja and drafting a T as well as Konz or DeCastro.

well, DeCastro IS OG ... plug him in at LG ... BOOM! and yeah, I'm down with finding new RT

Or plug Konz in, leave Hudson as our LG, and then slide Zebrie Sanders to RT.

Do we like the idea of a smaller Center (Hudson) between Costanzo and Asamoah?

right now Costanzo is 6’5", 318 lbs. Add 15 more pounds of muscle from NFL training and that is a huge guard.

PVChiefsfan - January 11, 2012 reply

well, that's why Hudson was projected at C in the NFL ... too small for OG

wait … Costanzo? no, no … that doesn’t rhyme with DeCastro

I am all for drafting your guard, but move him to RT

dubld - January 12, 2012 reply

Jackass Harry was on tv interviewing Pioli..........

Pioli said he wouldn’t trade up in the draft to get a QB………………………….

my faith in humanity has been restored

at least temporarily

Like Pioli is going to tell Jack Harry what his draft plans are.

Rev. Slappy - January 11, 2012 reply

How about this

Pioli isn’t going to trade up in the draft to get a QB.

I have a feeling we are stuck with you know who....................

Yup :-(

And no matter how hard I try, I still to this day cannot tolerate White Cassel. Maybe if they carried more the characteristics of an actual burger, I’d be a bit more accepting. Oh, and didn’t taste like shit.

It's that hot, steaming goodness White Castle pushes on us all.

I thought he turned over a new leaf to be more open with the fans ...

gee, now I’m like all disappointed n stuff

x

He also said he didn't feel good about drafting a safety at #5 overall

RememberDelaney37 - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

Pioli must get his ego out of the way...

and get a top QB in the draft!!!!!

ANND MORE’S MEAN SERIOUS BIDNESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm shocked!

All the pipe dreams are getting tiring anyway.

I don't think he has the moxy to trade what it would take to get RG3...

But……. if he did it would work for me.

Why all the Asamoah to LG?

If we intend on building the OL, draft the best OL available in the 1st (probably DeCastro, and that’s exactly the right pick for us). DeCastro at LG, Hudson at C, and Asamoah at RG. In Free Agency go out and get a guy like Levi Brown or take a chance on Demetrius Bell for the RT spot. I like Brown here more.

shotty - January 11, 2012 reply

David Mims for RT

Albert/DeCastro/Hudson/Asamoah/Mims – Woah Nelly! HAHA

Mitul V. Patel - January 11, 2012 reply

Mims ... project, be difficult to see him starting, but if he IS ready it's fine by me

the “knock” on him was that he didn’t have any kind of footwork … not a good thing for RT

That's just silly.

The line should be as follows:

Mims RT, Mims, RG, Mims C, Mims LG, and JaMarcus Russell LT.

Line fixed for the next ten years easy. Next we move Albert to his natural postion of QB, Bowe gets moved to FB, McClain to WR and move McCluster over to the defensive side at NT. After those moves all our draft picks will be luxury picks for the next ten years at least.

Zif - January 11, 2012 reply

NOW we're talkin'!

LOL

I can see a few more moves that would improve the team, but would love to see what you have in mind before I bring them up.

Zif - January 11, 2012 reply

If we had a bunch of Mims on the field goal unit maybe oakland would'nt of blocked two kicks...

If Mims was kicking

the ball would have went right through Seymour’s arm on the way to a made FG. He’d have to change his name to Seyless.

it's up ... and GOOD!

If Mims improves his foot work, I would be up for that line up in a heart beat.

I just said that ... so glad to see you agree with me, as you should (of course)

DeCastro at LG, Hudson at C, and Asamoah at RG

I'm just a lowly padawan

so hells yeah I’ll agree!

Demetrius Bell would be a horrible idea(the opposite of Richardson, good pass blocker, horrendous run blocker) and Brown isn't a ZBS guy.

I like the idea of DeCastro occupying the LG spot and I agree we should leave Big Jon where he is because change for a young player isn’t always good. I don’t know what the answer is at RT but I’m not a fan of either of those guys.

then FIND it! sheeeeesh, what do we pay you for, anyway?

I don’t know what the answer is at RT

Ok how about this instead.

The Chargers are going to tag Jackson because they aren’t going to give him a long term deal which will leave Hardwick walking out the door. Move Hudson to LG, Hardwick to center and take Reiff in the first round to compete for LT and the loser goes to RT.

Or Chris Myers at Center?

Or sign Grubbs for LG, leave Hudson and take Reiff or Martin?

I like the Grubbs option best.

Reiff-Grubbs-Hudson-Big Jon-Albert would be a ridiculous line.

Albert-DeCastro-Hudson-Asamoah-Zebrie Sanders would be more ridiculouser

I love your made up words

change grubbs for decastro via FA and keep everyone else only using a 2nd probably 3rd

for sanders and we are good.

Im not big on Sanders

He’s very BRichesque to me.

Im not big on spending a top 15 pick on a Gaurd? Or RT?

anyone that is asking to replace or upgrade albert at LT needs to re look at the chiefs team and come back with a different mind set, If you ask a offensive line coach what he would rather have a G at 11-12 overall or a 3rd and 4th round pick he would take the picks, they can coach these guys up so well and they know what they are looking for it doesnt have to be a high pick for these guys, it wont happen either count it. only way we draft a O-line player early round 1 is if its the guy from USC cause he is elite outside of him it wont happen gauranteed.

DeCastro is elite and then some ... go ahead, ask any offensive line coach

offensive line coaches look for certain qualities in lineman.

they can find those qualities in rounds 2-4 just as easy as top 15 then coach them up rather than waste that pick on a guy that early makes no sense. I can see trading the pick and picking him later in round 1 but not top 15.

he's rated as the 15th pick on nearly every Big Board in the country

he’s THE top ranked OG by a long shot … he will NOT be available LATER in the first round

I’ve done the research … have you?

then I dont think we need him at top 15, give me a guy in rounds 2-4 and coach them up.

Im perfectly fine with the way pioli has been building the O-line.

hudson round 2, the guy was a solid prospect and should be solid when given the chance, asamoah is a good pickup and should be solid for years to come as a 3rd round pick, if its not broke dont fix it keep drafting the lineman in rounds 2-3 unless you can get a steal.

I've seen Glenn ranked ahead of him as the best G in the draft.

when was that list done?

Glenn is currently rank the # 2 guard prospect..

By everyone except Kiper thats what he has on his big board from today

yup, he's up there ... projected late 1 or early 2

I think we need an upgrade at LT

I went back and looked…yep still need to put him at LG….I think an OL coach would answer with…..give me the player that plays the best, I don’t care where we get him…..Are you serious? The OL coach would rather have a 3rd or 4th rounder??? So, did Emmitt Thomas get upset that about getting Berry at #5 and happy with Lewis in the 5th round? This team needs better players….that is why we lost 9 games, why we got blown out. Don’t give me the injury excuse…Packers won the SB with 15 players on IR….The Texans lost Foster and Johnson and they still won cuz they had enough good players. If you keep adding good players (no matter what round) you will be a better team.

thats a skill position not O-line, im just quoting what I heard today on sirius radio.

they was talking about that scenario and they said the NFL today is about that when it comes to O-line, the coaches would much rather have two guys in rounds 3 and 4 than a top 15 Gaurd. cause they just look for certain qualities and if they got them they coach them up to be just as good as that top 15 gaurd.

Is this

the same guy who said you don’t take safetys in the top 5? If DeCastro is the best player available, and can help us….and we can’t trade out….we don’t take a player at another position just cuz he’s a G.

no way, I was sold on berry before anyone knew who berry was around here.

that was my guy the whole way.

I doubt it

I’ve been a Tenn fan since 1980….so I saw him in a high school all star game.

ok you got me, but he has been my guy and my pick for a long time

I knew Safety was a huge need and he filled it to the rim.

Im not saying dont take the BPA im saying dont target a guy at that position there if you can get about the same in round 3 when coached up.

You don't

know who will be there in round 3 or 4…I doubt Pioli thought Houston would be there in round 3.

you dont know anything about anyone except probably luck right now?lol

wouldnt you rather take a guy in FA and then draft a O lineman in round 2-4?

I like taking high skill players round 1 personally

you can coach up O-lineman easier than any other position when you think about it, the talent or skill cant be that much different worth going top 15 over say round 2-4.

We'll see what happens the month

before the draft. If we can get a proven stud in FA, then yeah…we can wait until the middle rounds on an OL that we can coach up…..and I agree you can find good value on G/C in the middle rounds….but if we don’t sign a G….and he is the BPA…then yes take him.

he scares me, remember ryan simms how he was so good in college?

think he has the ryan simms effect going on? playing next to julius peppers. those stanford lineman scare me they use more lineman than other teams alot and they got multiple good lineman?

I like a guy who stands alone in talent,

I remember..

there was this guy the Chiefs drafted that played with Peppers…hmmm

Tamba

played on a great D an PSU…DJ did at Texas….Houston at GA….Berry at Tenn.

great D or great players next to them that effect them?

Both

put a good player next to casey weigman and he is better right?

put a great safety next to berry or DJ and you cant tell cause they play more field and you dont effect them the way a O-lineman would,

Put a good DL in

front of a LB and he is better….with any player you have to look at individual drills and coaching tape….I blame Bunning at UNC for selling Vermeil on simms…..they were great friends and he fucked him.

Like who?

hint

1st rnd draft choice… bust

I didn't like Simms

But, you can say that about almost any good player…should none of the Bama D players get taken then since they all play with each other. When you watch him, he blows his guy off the OL….what about the Wisconsin OL….they do the same thing and they turn out alright.

who do you have in mind?

Nicks? that would be great but so do 31 other teams

not sure who yet, I love how pioli has been picking guys nobody really sees.

curious who he would pick, thomas jones, Lilja, the guy has been picking up some good FA’s lately.

I don't know why Mike Adams is falling, other than a

character thing, but if we could get him like we did Houston, WOWEE. I think he and Konz are the 2 best ready to play linemen in the draft.

dunno what up with Konz, still the top C in the draft

If Albert gets moved as unlikely as this is, then it would be to RT. He is to good of an athlete to play inside

Normally I'm not high on taking a G in the first round.

But Decastro will be the best player available at 11 or 12. Hes a Hall of Fame type lineman that doesn’t come out very often. He has power, atheticism, nastyness, can fit in a zone or power scheme, there isn’t imperfections in his game. Hes the next Steve Hutchinson in his prime and I guarantee hes a Pro Bowler as a Rook! Not to mention we need some power to match up against bigger DTs that Oakland, SD, and the Ravens have. We can go out and get a Carl Nicks and spend 60 million or we can get an elite lineman like Decastro and have him play cheaply for the next 4 to 5 years. I think Rieff and Martin will be both be gone by the time we pick. Miami will go T because Vernon Carey is done. Carolina should go T because Otah cant stay healthy and Buffalo will damn sure go T because Bell has had a bazillion knee surgerys and is a FA. A line like Albert/Decastro/Hudson/Aso/Levi Brown would be one hell of a line. If Charles comes back heatlhy, he goes for 2000 yards!

BigRatt - January 11, 2012 reply

I dont think he will be?

Does it bother you there are so many good O-lineman from stanford? notice how many lineman they use? does that effect how good a guy is if he has more help on the line than other teams? im not sold on him as a top 15 give me a guy with the qualities our coach looks for and coach him up using a 2-4 round pick instead.

DUDE! he's the #! ranked player at his position by far and away

he’s actually ranked NINTH overall, even though most mocks have him going at 15 … and a finalist for the Outland Trophy (which goes to the best interior lineman) and he’s consensus All-America first team

and you question his talent and credentials? really?

and as for how many linemen Stanford uses ...

Stanford runs behind a pulling DeCastro on three out of four run plays because his prowess as a blocker on the move is impressive

from a professional scout who knows a bit more than I do, and likely a bit more than you as well

hey im just saying my opinion not saying he isnt good just not good enough to take a G top 15?

neither of us know everything we just give our opinions right? Im not to shabby though when it comes to seeing talent not saying im great but I called some good ones more than bad ones. ;) from my living room. lol

btw ... make that unanimous consensus all american

You have a right to your opinion!

But hes so good, I wouldn’t be surprised if he isn’t picked in the top 10. If your smart, your draft best player available as many of the great teams do! You cant argue any other player at 11 or 12 being Best Player Available. Everybody else has flaws in thier game. Decastro is most complete player who we have a shot at in that range. He is the safest pick on the board who is a dominate sum bitch!

Love Sanders

though I don’t think he comes to us in the 2nd round…he might go late first.

Sounds decent........But would you really want to start two rookies on the line?

only if one of them is DeCastro :-)

the mocks have us taking Martin (OT)

Agreed.. normally you don't take a guard that high but....that DeCastro has pro bowl written all over him..

I would take Martin in the 2nd if he was availible….Pioli did say HE really needs to do something about the line……

Kool TA - January 12, 2012 reply

nah, Hudson too small for LG

not sold on Reiff for that matter, certainly not at LT and Albert’s just fine there anyway … I’d love DeCastro at LG and then take RT guy in Rd 2 or 3

That's why I said best man win.

Honestly I think Albert would be a stud on the right side. Thats the only spot I wouldn’t mind seeing him moved to if we had a better option at LT.

Martin or Reiff-Grubbs-Hudson-Asamoah-Albert > Albert-DeCastro-Hudson-Asamoah-3rd round RT if you ask me.

Can trade Reiff for Martin

I’m ok with either. Martin is a bit more physical I think.

What?

Martin is more physical than Reiff? you crazy man!

andrew33 - January 11, 2012 reply

reiff looked like trash to me?

Heck... Decastro is 40 lbs heavier than Lilja, and Hudson only 12 pounds.

We need more beef on this line if we are going to improve…

BEEFCAKE

He's not fat, he's big-boned.

/no homo

Starting to worry about you Tarkus.

only just now starting? ;-)

No kidding.

screw you guys

I’m a goin home…

Chiefs fan in ST Louis - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

Ups...

I know you are sold on DeCastro, but if he’s not avail. who would you go with?

Anyone looked at

Cordy Glenn? I havent checked him out I just saw he’s rated right above DeCastro on Kipers Board not that he knows anything though

georgia?

yup

show me a guy we can get in rounds 2-4 and thats where im looking.

WELL glad you asked

In the 2nd at right tackle we could do Zebrie Sanders from FSU, Brandon Washington from Miami at Guard
In the 3rd at guard we could do Kevin Zeitler from Wisconsin, Kelechi Osemele from ISU at guard
In the 4th at right tackle we could do Levy Adcock from Oklahoma State, Senio Kelemete from Washington at Guard
Random Thoughts

I really like Sanders, Osemele is probably my top guy, and I like Zeitler.

Love Sanders and Zeitler

Havent watched a lot of Osemele

lol someone did their homework

well done 25

Yeah

Winter break + no classes + girlfriend in a different city = lots of draft study!

Glenn is the second rated guard in the draft..

tomachop ... wow, good question

I suppose my answer would depend on a couple of things: do we re-sign Carr and Bowe?

I wouldn’t be upset if we got Reiff or Martin (both likely gone by our pick, especially Martin)

Dre Kirkpatrick at CB would be a nice one, even if we did get Carr signed … or Alphonzo Dennard also CB

not sold on Coples or Still and we’re ok at OLB … I’ll go with Kirkpatrick or Dennard (for now)

I could even justify Dwayne Allen if DeCastro is gone

I dont know what to think of Dennard

Shut Jeffery done with excellent press coverage but he ended up fightin him i dont want another cortland finnegan if that makes sense
Oh and Im not sold on kirkpatricks tackling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWfhLJXbMnk

Reiff looks pretty good here

And Mr. Stanzi doesn’t look too bad himself. Some of those dropped passes I have to think are completions to the guys on our roster.

Stanzi. Play the man.

jmcgoblue - January 11, 2012 reply

if DeCastro is gone and Reiff was there ... I'd have no problem with that pick

in fact, that would likely be my preference with DeCastro gone (I’d cry but Reiff would work) :-)

Me too!!!! Decatro is gonna be all pro someday..

Scott Wells is another guy who might fall through the cracks.

Dunno mang

we have a need and more cowbell ain’t gonna fill it. I’m up for just about anything over B-Rich and MIMS right now.

No

Levi Brown.

That bad eh?

I like the way you think bud...

Asamoah to LG is Asinine!!! He needs to stay on the right side.

That's what I'm sayin'!

No need to switch-a-roo the whole line. Draft the crap outta DeCastro and fins a RT in FA. I don’t care who he is just as long as he’s an upgrade over our current F-Richardson. Yes, that is an F-. That’s hard to come by. Which really says a lot about how good our RT situation is.

and that is not a "fins", its supposed to be a "FIND"

pay no attention to the faceless keyboarder with zero proper english skills…..

This sounds like 2010 when Pioli kept saying he wouldn't draft a safety in the first round...

then went out and drafted Eric Berry. Pioli’s not the type of guy to say straight up what they’re looking for. A sign we’re gonna move up for RG3?

Edsneezer - January 11, 2012 reply

Good luck with that.

I don't think Pioli ever said that.

Dimitroff from Atlanta who is a friend of Pioli’s made the comment that, Taking a safety at 5 is not Pioli’s way.

Helmets - January 12, 2012 reply

I want DeCastro and Kareem McKenzie.

DeCastro to right guard, Asamoah to left guard, Hudson to center, then keep Albert at LT and move McKenzie to RT as a respectable, starter-quality veteran to sign for a guy to upgrade RT while we either draft a replacement or wait (my hope) fo David Mims to develop. Don’t need to spend big money on guys like Nicks and Grubbs who have never played in a zone-blocking scheme.

NigerianNightmare - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

why move Asamoah? especially why move him with a rookie C and possibly new RT? keeping him at RG would be one bit of continuity for HIM and make it that much easier (one would think)

Just give me O-line beef and a side of QB

I'm with you.

ok, so that's a Beef, side of QB and a Pibb ... is Dr Pepper ok? and is that here or "to go"

There is no DR. in the house. That will be for 'HERE" please.

Carl Nicks

We’ve got the money, and New Orleans probably doesn’t. He fits a glaring need, allows us to keep Asamoah at RG, Hudson at C, and keeps Lilja on board as our reserve interior lineman.

Nicks has the size and strength to make a huge difference on those 3rd/4th and short situations. He also has the athleticism and quickness to get outside for pulling situations. The only question I would have would be whether or not he can continuously be a pulling guard throughout the game.

That's a big question when you're going to pay the guy 9-10MS/year.

I hate to say it but Im liking the idea of DeCastro more and more everyday.

I don't think it's that big of a question.

Especially when you consider that our offensive philosophy is likely to change some. He gives us the power we need (a top rushing team that can’t pick up 1 damn yard?). He does have the athleticism to get outside, it just isn’t known if he can do it consistently throughout the game. That doesn’t mean he can’t, it just means it’s unknown.

Everyone always wants the Chiefs to spend money…well, here it is. This is the chance. A big time player who fills a position of need.

remember also we have Carr and Bowe to spend on ...

and maybe a Michael Bush or who knows who else in free agency

I know who else...

Carl Nicks.

We HAVE to upgrade at both LG and RT. The best way to do this is FA/1st rd pick combination. With the given Free Agency situation, we have a better chance at getting that LG in Free Agency and RT in the draft.

If chiefs spend money on lg and rt are they gonna leave cassel at qb?

I liked it when i heard he said he made a mistake but i thought it was about cassel. If he tries fixing ol first I’m fine with that but when is he going to fix the qb position? I hope that’s on his long list as well. I’d be psyched if we had a great line and a real qb.
Lt Albert
Lg Nicks
C Hudson
Rg Asamoah
Rt Martin Reiff or Fa

Honestly i see them going ol in fa unless someone great falls to us like DeCastro. All this trading up stuff for qbs makes me wonder why nobody has mentioned trading up for kalil who is the best tackle to come out since Long and Thomas.
Rt

Kcbiggyblue - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

another question is: why would he want to leave a perennial powerhouse like the Saints?

I’d be shocked if the Saints let him walk … stunned, actually

Money.

They spent a fortune on that o-line last season and will have to break the bank paying for Drew Brees this year.

On top of that, they still have Marques Colston, Robert Meachem, and Tracy Porter on the board to take care of.

doubt that anyone else wants him

that came across badly,.. sorry

These days you need a "LT" on both sides of your Offensive Line

There is no such thing as a “RE” pass rusher anymore either. Defenses move their best players around to get the best matchups they can get to get after the Quarterback. Just like Tamba has the ability to move wherever he wants on any given play. You CANNOT have too many great OT’s on your team. We need another great one, not just another “RT” we have one already. In fact by historical standards of “LT” and “RT,” Richardson is a pretty good “RT” as they were traditionally asked to be road graters in the run game. But that time is over, in today’s NFL, you need great offensive takles on both sides…

Skrappy - January 11, 2012 reply

thank you

Chiefs fan in ST Louis - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

Hellen Keller could see the offensive line needs help..

And drafting a player the could start right away at LG like DeCastro, and who can also play 2 other postion on the line would be a good start. Even Chris Terry is saying " Damn, the chiefs have’nt found a good starting right tackle yet"? And what OC in the league would not be smiling if he knew Shabby or Langsford was going to start against them at safety? There will be plenty of good players availible in free agency that will want to play in KC for the right price. I say don’t be going for bargin basement players all the time , and don’t be afraid to sign a so called " BIG NAME PLAYER" if he can help the chiefs win games..PS most of the time when you pick up a player that was cut by another team, that player was cut for a reason?

rec'd for proper use of Helen Keller reference

u beat me :(

dude

Anne Frank could see it

Hell, Mr Magoo could see it too!!!

I can see it and I can't spell Helen.................

It more obvious news, this just in....

Hue Jackson wishes he could take back his final press conference

As my cousin Vinny would say...

Well that’s a big fukn surprise.

Why not bring him in to look at as our new OC?

Skrappy - January 12, 2012 reply

Free Hudson!

At least he had the balls to go after Carson Palmer and Seymour.....KC signs a LT and then cuts him 5 weeks later...

Pioli went after Palmer and Seymour?

I think he means Hue

Pioli went after Hue?

Is he going to be our new OC?

I hope not

And keeps sabby on the roster to boot!!!

You mean the guy

who helped KC do to Denver what Polamalu and the Steelers couldn’t do?

Ike Taylor is trending for all the wrong reasons.

I did indeed mean Hue..If we know we need them (KC), then do what it takes to get em..

So if your were a NFL coach, you would wand Sabby on your team?

Let me ask you guys..

In our offensive line scheme(s), doesn’t the left guard pull and trap more than the right guard?

chiefsfan62 - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

The left guard typically pulls more often than the right...

I guess that could change though… especially since the LG position could be up in the air.

Even Anne Frank could see the "Reply" button

I doubt if she needs it while writing her diary, though.

Naturally we need to build the line but I'll never understand how as a GM he is so sold

on Cassel. We as Chief fans might not be NFL quality coaches or material evaluators but after so many of us have watched this teams for years and years, we can still tell when someone just is not getting the job done and Cassel just is not. Why would Pioli be so stubborn and closed minded as to not even consider that we need someone else. I personally just don’t get it. And to clarify, I was supportive of Cassel for the first two years but after the Oakland game last year and the playoff game against Baltimore, it became obvious to me that he just could not handle the heavy, pressure situations. So, Pioli will get him a much better OL, they’ll be playing a last place schedule and the Chief’s will win 9 or 10 games and that will lock Cassel in for another few years. What BS.

did he explicitly say "Matt Cassel is going to be the starting and only QB in 2012"

because if he didn’t then I don’t think you can read too much into the QB situation just yet

I agree but if he said that he would never trade up for a QB, I believe that very closed

minded and it just seemed that Crennel was playing the Pioli line when he indicated that Cassel was still the man.

Pretty sure Pioli knows more about the situation than us

I’m not a Cassel fan anymore, but come on. Different OC every year, terrible offensive weapons for a good portion of his time here, revolving door for a poor OL, and a fucking mess at the playcaller position. I’m in no way saying the dude is our guy cuz I’m all about starting Orton, but Pioli I’m sure isn’t being close-minded or “egoli”. He’s just seen the situation and probably thought the dudes been getting somewhat of a raw deal. We need him at the very least for depth in case Orton goes down.

Pioli is in the Peterson GM trap

these guys think that if they ever make a mistake they will never be forgiven. I forgive you Pioli!!! I do! I do! Now stop making exuses for the lack of talent at the qbpos. and show us why you were hired in the first place

Im hearing Tyson Jackson is turning out to be a good pick now?

Is this true?

pretty much, he's developing nicely and doing what's been asked of him ... which has enabled Houston to become a pretty good SOLB in his rookie season

I agree, but I do think Dorsey is having a hard time in our 3/4 system.....I do think Bailey needs more playing time, he came on strong towards the end...

Dorsey

trade bait?

dorsey was the top run stopper on PFF right? or 2nd?

but sucked at getting pressure? can we move him to NT? we hear the albert moves why not bring this move up again? then play tyson and bailey on the ends.

He's too small to be NT.

why?

Genetics?

I think having the top or 2nd run stuffer in the NFL who is just slightly smaller than average for that position will still work especially when you can add talent at DE in bailey.

lol there is absolutely nothing he can say now that would not hurt the value of the players he does have and raise the value of the ones he could possibly get

First they have to hire a OC and then they have 5/6 weeks to decide how they want to proceed .

Which holes to fill through the draft and which holes to fill through FA .

Until free agency starts around the beginning of March there is nothing he can or should say about players on the roster he doesnt want . He should be grinning and talking them up just like hes doing .

When winter meetings start around the combine in a few weeks well then he can start unofficially listen and talk with other gms and see who is open to trading for Matt as he will likely get a lot of chatter about how Orton behaved in his time here as well.

Right now all he should be doing is listening, evaluating potential Chiefs,talking up our players and playing out different scenarios in private .

Willie Beamon - January 11, 2012 reply

this, pretty much

sums it up

Again, agree to a degree, but we do have a history and he really hasn't been very

agressive in FA in the past. The last two drafts look pretty good but still sure could have been a lot better. This is going into the fourth year and I sure expected more by now.

Preach!

I agree

Thats why I personally will be on the trade up for rg3 bandwagon all the way till draft time.
Me guessing pioli won’t do this, I want DeCastro in the 1st and chris polk in the 2nd. With a top 5 defense,a #1 rushing attack,and a pussy qb who won’t risk turnovers, one would think we could make some noise next year.. Drafting a rt to block for our bum qb is a waste of a high pick in my eyes,while DeCastro is to the guard position as E.Berry was to the safteys. Elite prospect.

chief913-816 - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

SAWWWWEEEETT

Beef up those lines boys. I don’t care if that’s all we draft(figuring we lock up Bowe and add upgrades threw FA)

good?

not for a first rnd pk, maybe a third or fourth

odds are our starter on the D-line for years to come?

TRich Position change

Try him out at guard. He is a good run blocker and he doesn’t need to get off the ball as quick. A worst he could be the utility back up

SC Chief - January 11, 2012 via Android app reply

Tony Richardsons comin back?

Oh snap!

Oops

B

SC Chief - January 11, 2012 via Android app reply

Reggie Tongue's natural position is

in cheek

well played, Sir!

What is John David Booty's natural postion then?

don't be an ass

I thought that was Elway

You know, if Pioli is all that great, just think about the income and fan enthusiasm that

someone like RGII would bring in. The stands would absolutely be over flowing. The guy is very likely going to be a great QB, he’s 6’2", 220 lbs and has the speed of Charles. If there is any possibility of trading up for him, wouldn’t it be worth the risk? I’m actually tired of seeing all of the empty seats at Arrowhead.

not if it costs too much, especially if it cost a lot and he doesn't pan out ... then we end up worse than what we are now

wouldn’t it be worth the risk?

Ups, to me it would be worth the risk. If I had the dollars, I'd bet you big time, that the team

that gets RGIII moves up big time in overall rankings within 2-3 years. He’s probably not any more risk that Luck. Detroit has benefited greatly with Stafford just as an example and there are many other examples. I keep pointing out Brees because of his injury, but it’s my opinion, shared by many on this site, that someone like RGIII is going to be a franchise QB and that is what KC needs, if they are ever going to win a SB.

speaking of injuries..

wasn’t Brees damaged goods a few years back? How about Manning? Not that we need a qb or anything

Who needs a QB when you have a Tyler Palko on your team......That boys a STUD!!!!

big difference, neck versus shoulder, and age is a factor too

if you think Detroit has been built with just Stafford then you need to think again

look, I’m sure RG3 is very good, but the cost to get him is (and should be!) a concern … that AND the fact that we STILL have holes to fix, holes that truly need to be fixed with the best we can get, the best guys in the draft (which is how you build a team)

if we had a solid OLine … I’d be right there with ya on RG3, ok? I would … really I would

if we get it done now, done right … and want to move way up for Barkley next year, I’m down with it … IF we get the OLine and the other issues done first

'bout frigging time

Maybe now he’ll draft a legit RT since there aren’t really any coming that are worth it in free agency.
Speaking of free agency, I just noticed Drew Brees is a free agent. Some other ones that might be worth taking a look at for us… Carl Nicks OG, Cortland Finnegan CB if we lose Carr or even if we don’t, Wes Welker, Ben Grubbs OG, Marques Colston WR, Stephen Tulloch LB, Brent Grimes CB, Broderick Bunkley DT, Marshawn Lynch, Dqwell Jackson LB, Vincent Jackson, Stevey Johnson, DeSean Jackson, Paul Soliai DT, Chris Meyers OC, David Hawthorne LB, Matt Flynn, Anthony Spencer LB, Laron Landry S, Bradon Lloyd, Michael Griffin S, Scott Wells C, and Laurent Robinson WR.
Free agency looks kinda deep at DT and real deep at WR. I’d say franchise Bowe and trade him and pick up Colston who’s just as good as Bowe and probably more consistent. I also love Laurent Robinson and what he did for the Cowboys this year… he’d be a great pickup and team player. I’d also look at some of those centers to keep Hudson at OG if Lilja is falling apart and try at least one of those 3-4 DTs to give Powe more developmental time if he needs it. Wow, the WR options in free agency are excellent. Wow, it’s a good time to replace Bowe if we have to.
What are your thoughts on Matty Flynn? Cassel had some games like Flynn did while he was in NE.

Clark Hunt has given Scott Pioli an open checkbook...

…with NO check writing pen! :)

I love Nicks but hes gonna cost 60 million!

Thats why i want to go with Decastro! Pioli will not spend that kind of money, Grubbs is going to get a shitload as well. Resigning Bowe and Carr is going to take a chunk but needs to be done. I would like to bring in Paul Soliai. As for the draft get Decastro or Burfict! Martin and Reiff will be gone, I guarantee it!

BigRatt - January 11, 2012 reply

you don't want Burfict

trust me

he's a nut job

he leaves it on the field though.

So was Ray Lewis! I think he turned out ok in his NFL Career.

He can be coached and Crennel would do one hell of a job with him. Not many ILbs who have rushing ability like OLBs. Hes a thumper who hits with a ton of bricks. Hes one of the best cover ILBs in the draft. Yes he does have some flaws, but hes the closest thing to Patrick Willis that i have seen!

give me vontaz.

just the name

should send up a red flag

More like a yellow flag

and he refused to leave a game when they sent a sub in

brilliant

Whats your reasoning?

Burfict and Decastro are the only 2 players I can see fitting our needs but being top values. Thats assuming Martin and Reiff are gone. You watch the first minute of this clip and tell hes not a player. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvcsffTQojI

well

first play he was unblocked
second and third when ppl see that theyre just gonna call a long count
HE’s good but hes also super penalized so i cant see spending a first

25 or Die - January 12, 2012 reply

Penalties are the only reason you can come up with for not going in the 1st round?

Penalties is a mental thing that can be coached, you cant coach the type of ability that Burfict has! The point of the 1st play shows his speed, he has just as much pass rush ability as most OLBs at ILB. Not only that, but hes one hell of a thumper in the run game. He will be highly sought after in the 1st round. I say theres a chance KC takes him. Phily, Pittsburg, and the Ravens will no doubt be interested in the 1st round as well. Newsome has already said he will take Ray Lewis’s replacement this year. Kuechly doesn’t have the size for the 3-4. HighTower doesn’t have any wheres close to the ability Burfict has in the speed and athleticism department.

BigRatt - January 13, 2012 reply

Carl Nicks AND Scott Well PLEASE and...

since this is all a fairy tale… I want Scott Pioli to go “Herschel Walker” CRAZY and GET RGIII! Yep…our ENTIRE DRAFT! We have our “Core Players!” Time to fill in the cracks! Get our Franchise QB and hit Free Agency HARD! Oh, AND; lets raid Superbowl teams from the last 2-3 years for PROVEN Players in Free Agency PLEASE! NO MORE PROJECTS & MAYBES! Thanks! Can someone forward MY PLAN to Mr. Pioli? Thanks…Again!!!

This will get me banned I have a feeling! :-))

Caps Locked For Emphasis OF COURSE!!!

Why would that get you banned?

You’re just repeating what half of AP has been saying (once it became obvious we weren’t sucking for Luck).

Yep!

I heard on sports center that Wes Welkers will be a free agent too...

Wont be long til you also hear on sports center

that he re-signed with the Pats

I want that to happen to!

But Pioli said in an interview this week that he couldn’t see himself giving up the picks to make it happen.

I want that to happen to!

But Pioli said in an interview this week that he couldn’t see himself giving up the picks to make it happen. Its hard to trust anything a GM says before a draft, but i think hes telling the truth. Hes not an overly aggressive GM, and like Bellicheck, hes loves his picks. I think if anything, he might trade down like last year and try to acquire more picks.

Brees and Nicks?

If we are going to dream

or hallucinate :-)

Im in

me, too.

I've been a Chief's fan since they came to KC and if they don't hurry up, I'll never see

them in a SB. Keep in mind, most of our best players were here B4 Pioli came aboard. Just think about that. He’s improved the team to a degree, but the best core players were already here.

Berry was here? Asamoah and Moeaki were here? Hudson and Houston were here?

dude, I’m all about Bowe and Flowers and Carr and DJ and Charles, ok? and I am NOT a Pioli fan in any way, shape or form … and, as you know, I do NOT like Cassel AND I’m still pissed about the Waters thing

but

we’re coming off a crappy year … now, you want to rag at Pioli, jump on him for treating the 2009 season as an evaluation training camp … you do that I’m with you all the way

but he’s had a couple of decent (good) drafts now, and it DOES take time for guys to develop and grow … we’re getting there, it takes time

what he needs to do now is what he’s just said he’ll do: work on the OLine … let’s see what happens and what he does before we start on him with sledgehammers and icepicks, ok?

I'm with you until we find out, if we ever do, that he is demanding that Cassel be the QB.

I’m extremely concerned that that is what is going on and if Haley ever let’s it out, Pioli is really going to look bad.

if he DEMANDS that Cassel is our starter ...

well, you’ve heard of the Unabomber, right? (angelic smile)

How do we reach him? Lol.

Eastcoastransplant - January 12, 2012 reply

With a manifesto

He said most of our BEST players

with the exception of Berry (obvious hes a stud, not to mention he was drafted 5th overall), Asamoah(one year) Moeaki(one year and was hurt) Hudson, Houston?? Though all these guys look like they might have solid futures, in no way can you consider any of them, except Berry and maybe an argument for Moeaki, our BEST players.

But besides that, I agree that Pioli is making moves that will set us up to be a very good football team

So you're saying

guys who have been developing for four or five years are ahead of guys who have been developing for one or two years?

I hope so.

Not always

Berry is better then a lot of safeties that have been developed. I was more speaking on Jcox saying most of our best players came before Pioli, in which Ups named guys who I dont feel should be considered our best players, YET

I've been a chiefs fan since Broadway Joe bought his first pair of pantyhose...

since before that ... kid :-)

Otis Taylor

my hero as a kid

Willie Lanier

Met Ed Buddy here in Wichita, a long time ago.

awesome!

Put old Willie L next to DJ and try to run up the middle......

Wow

so you guys are those ancient chiefs fans I always here about. What an honor : )

Yeah i was thinkin the same thing

Those players retired before i was born!!

Season tickets must be a bitch to squeeze in

on fixed income

whatever that means

I walked in the snow barefoot up hill to watch a chiefs game...... back in my day.

Much respect to you

both ways?

Anyone else besides me

think Romeo will ditch the ZBS and beef up the players on both lines, unlike the in-shape, cross country runners that Haley liked?

dudebuddyrage - January 11, 2012 reply

I know Thomas Jones had his last 2.5 yard run for the chiefs...

Nope :)

Steve_Chiefs - January 11, 2012 reply

Bigger cross country dudes

Like DeCastro

Steve_Chiefs - January 11, 2012 reply

Steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve! :-)

I love how he talks about the safety position like injuries are a shock in this game

the thing he should say is we fucked up and didnt have any Real depth behind our starting safeties. Therefor, we were never really set at that position.

injuries in football? no!

thats what I keep hearing

so, one mock has us taking Martin ... with DeCastro going to Dallas 2 picks later

LT- Albert, LG- Asamoah, C- Hudson, RG- Richardson, RT- Martin

Albert had a great year at LT. No point in moving him around when at this point he is clearly a high caliber LT. Asamoah could slide over to LG without too much trouble. Rodney Hudson slides in for Weigman at C. Barry Richardson is solid in the run game at times and mostly struggles with speed rushers in pass protection. There was talk of Richardson playing guard a few years ago, and I think it would help his career out quite a bit. A move to RG would seem to be a good idea. RT obviously is the position that needs the most improvement, and Johnathan Martin from Stanford would be a great fit.

fightwookies - January 11, 2012 reply

Packers just put a 1st Round tender on Matt Flynn

So what do ya think?

We paid a second for Cassel and Vrabel. Would you like this move if the chiefs did it

what, drop a 1st on Flynn?

nah … not this year’s first

I might

Didnt think much of flynn til I seen how crisp his throws were his last game

Maybe not a first

but a second and a player

Cassel looked pretty good ...

… in 2008

thats the worry

Kolb did to, as well as mitchell, as well a ton more….Someones gotta hit one of these days right?

I still think getting Cassel and Vrabel for second rounder wasnt a bad move then and now. You take a shot at a relatively low price

was a good deal at the time

And was probably the best QB available at the time.

I think Only if your convienced we must get a first round QB

Flynn has about as much boom bust risk as a 12 pick.

This is crazy

People seriously need to stop whining about Pioli complimenting our starting quarterback. The cold hard truth is that Cassel is the best quarterback we currently have on the roster, so why shouldn’t he be supported by the front office at this time? Obviously it would be nice to get better at the position, but trading up to get RGIII is incredibly cost inefficient and won’t happen.

correct ... unless Stanzi is better ... regardless, we should get another QB

Cassel is the best quarterback we currently have on the roster

Cold hard truth?

Who is better between Orton and Cassel is an opinion at this point.

Orton isn't under contract

I think Orton is a slight upgrade over Cassel, but it’s hard to tell if we’re gonna be able to re-sign him. I think Pioli and Romeo probably want to, but it depends on whether or not Orton wants to stay and compete for the starting spot.

compete?

IOW, show up.

right!

Shanghai_Chiefs - January 11, 2012 reply

Keanu Reeves is blown away by his ability to show up.

/Hardball

he'd be a good REPLACEMENT

Shanghai_Chiefs - January 11, 2012 reply

Whoa

If I had to pick

I am for re-signing Orton and letting Stanzi back him up….Try and move Cassel if we get a decent price….Orton is still considered on our roster right? I mean season isnt Technically over

Yeah, he's a Chief until at least March.

So we can still negotiate with him exclusively.

really? SWEEEEEEEEEEET!

Why would he not be competing?

There’s been no indication that we have plans to trade or dump Cassel. So yes, it would be a competition

I think they'd have to dump

Cassel to commit to Orton to get him to stay. It’s worth it if our other options fail, such as… The better option is trade up to get Luck or get Manning in some kind of deal. We’ve got picks, Dorsey and a third-string QB (Cassel) as bait. I think RGIII will take quite a while to develop in an NFL offense if at all. I need to read up on the QBs’ scouting reports but I don’t know of any really good QBs coming out except for Luck.

Dorsey who's not a good rusher and Cassel who's average on a GOOD day ... and that's your "bait"

and just what picks do we trade for Luck … 1 through 7?

I just really don't see us trading up for RGIII

There are other teams in the draft that are more desperate for a quarterback and willing to give up a lot more. Specifically the redskins..

I'd still make the trades to move up to get RGIII and do the rest with FA.

I think it is going to cost us an arm and a leg to get RG/Luck/Manning

and if so, I would rather use picks other places

awesome

just gotta find a bank to cash it now

take it to any body shop ...

yeah, that was sarcasm

on Cassel and a pipe dream on Luck but I think the Manning sweepstakes are a strong possibility but we’d be bidding with teams such as the Jets, which may be a good thing because we have a great cap advantage but they’ve already hired manning’s former OC.

I think Dorsey

does have pretty good value. He’s a good run-stuffer and he’s been playing out of position.

We got him what, 5th overall?

I am thinking he wouldnt attract more then a third rounder.. Pretty good value as in how?

I'd def take a third for Dorsey

and we could probably trick another team that was high on him coming out of college for a mid- to low- second.

I get it ... more sarcasm, right?

Ok

but wheres the value?Basically we spent a top five overall pick to get a third rounder 5 years later? Not value. We got the shit end of the stick

Obviously

we got screwed on the tradeoff but in terms of tradeable assets that I’d be willing to part with, he’d be the one. Based on where, he was drafted, he’s been a bust for us but he’s also serviceable. Run-stopping on the DL is very important in a 3-4. Bowe also could be a part of any trades if we franchise/sign him. I’d be willing to let him go if we get a decent replacement with the bevy of WR FAs out there this offseason.

Not sure why people want Bowe gone

He is getting better every year… Soon as we start building a team, people want to remove blocks and start going different ways.

I think a lot of people think Bowe himself wants out

… bet he’d be delighted to stay if he was sure Orton was coming back

Bowe wants out?

first Ive heard of this.. Has something been said that makes people believe this?

Yeah.

He said he’s happy in Kansas City and isn’t thinking about playing elsewhere.

So that translates into him wanting out?

no, but it's been suggested that since he hasn't yet agreed to terms that he MUST be unhappy here

and besides, he drops balls out of sheer discontent

makes sense, right? :-)

Tamba Hali.

Gotcha

I am sure Bowes contract is bigger then the other players re-signed

takes lil more time

my guess is he signs, I do hope so

me too

Well signing off… you guys have a good night

Ask Ups.

He didn’t say exactly that, but he gave that impression. I forget the exact quote.

I did

and you replied : )

Touche

If Manning

asks for a trade or release, there’s no reason the Chiefs shouldn’t be major players for him. If they aren’t then I think that shows they aren’t really all that interested in winning.

Maybe they are interested in winning well into the future

not just now… People seem to forget that draft picks turn into future superstars… Manning is on his way out, maybe not even going to make his way back in.

yeah

everything would be contingent on him passing a physical so that’s a crapshoot at this point. I just remember the last time we really went after a quality QB at the end of his career was the only time we advanced far in the playoffs (Montana, oh, what a year that was! Wish he’d stuck around for one more year, that year our defense was just sick but not sick enough to overcome Bono and the kicker who shall not be named).

Got a point there...

I understand the importance of the QB position, but I also am one of those guys that think Orton can get us there with the right pieces.. Another solid draft or two, I see us being very good for years

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/5/4/860098/revisiting-the-kansas-city-chiefs

Hali isn't getting any younger!

It’s Ok! We can wait another 42 Years!!!

42 years ?

Wow..way to reword my thoughts in the most extreme way…

TheScreenName - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

Who did we draft last year that actually made an impact? Houston, Baldwin and who else?

For that we we could package our picks for RGIII and pick up a couple of linemen in FA.

What's so great about RGIII?

I need to read his scouting report but he may be a one-year wonder, much like other QBs we’ve been saddled with.

he's good, very good indeed

just costly

You don't know that RG3 will make an impact his first year either.

Most players dont make an impact their first year

Look at Carr? Charles? DJ, Hali????…….Berry is an exception.. Next year isnt the last year of football

It might be for some of us old guys. I was counting on Pioli's 3 year plan.

it was a 5 Year Plan

Pioli is secretly a Communist

That got me to laughing..........gosh, do you really think so?

BTW, weren't you going to get me the Unibomers' number?

I don't give out my number

Oh well, I have some of my Marine Sniper friends. :)

You obviously haven't looked at the Mayan calendar.

Next year isnt the last year of football.

oh snap!

Haa..nice 1

Im the guy who thinks the mayans just said “fuck it, 12/12 is good enough, someone else can continue from here”

I was counting on obamas plan too

shit doesnt go as planned sometimes my friend

Well, just wait for a year or two and you'll see his team in the playoffs.

And the Chief's will still be trying to make Cassel their franchise QB.

Cassel's team was in the playoffs last year.

Yea, they really looked good.

Just responding to you saying

RG3’s team would be in the playoffs in a year or two.

That would be my bet.

So you're saying he'll match Cassel within a couple years.

He'll be better than Cassel his first game.

Right.

the Redskins? really? if they get RG3 it would be the most colossal waste of QB talent in the history of football

i've been hearing they are going to be willing to give up 4 draft picks for him..

and more power to 'em

wonder how many of those are 1st rounders

more then one would be a collosal mistake

which means they'll give two

Snyder’s an idiot … wait, I don’t want to insult Texas Chief like that

Snyder’s a cretin

I would do maybe a 1st and a 3rd for the guy

but I don’t think that will come close to buying the trade.

RGIII

1st, 2nd and a provisional pick next year!

Give them Barry "Rich"ardson to make it an AWESOME Deal!

naw

Those high rounds picks are all important..

I wouldn’t mind our 1st, and picks 5, 6, 7.. something like that.. something that allows us to pickup a good OT and Maybe a fresh TE or FS depth.

Who?

Ups, why do you say that. I hope your right but I would have to think that Shanahan

would know how to get him going.

I say that because the Redskins are more dysfunctional than the Raiders

is that even possible?

Heretofore known as the Ratskins.

Oh, Shanahan will get them straightened out. He's a pretty good coach.

Overrated.

He hasn’t done squat without John Elway.

Bingo

The guy had TD and Elway

just listened to an interview with TD

on the radio here in Cleveland. Great guy to listen to for football insights. As much asI hated the Broncos, I always respected TD. It’s too bad how his career ended.

your in cleveland too..

cool

Heard that interview too..

was one of the better ones I’ve heard lately

where u at?

I’m in Cleveland Heights. Are you a Missouri-Kansas transplant?

Me

I’m out east near madision.. yes, born in raised around KC.. Gower to be exact.

I'm actually from

MY State originally, Syracuse, but I grew up for the most east side of Cleveland. Was a Browns fan then moved with Schottenheimer, then tried to leave Chiefs this season but couldn’t pull it off. Another year of Matt Cassel, though, could push me over the edge.
Of course, I’d take the Chiefs franchise over this crap in Cleveland any day. The real Browns are in Baltimore and what a tragedy for this city that as soon as they moved, they won a SuperBowl after a few years.

Yes I feel bad for the browns fans

Also in the toughest division in the League right now.

I won’t bail even if they play Matt, just be more disappointted in Pioli

That just shows you.......you've got to have the franchise QB. Good example.

My feeling

If Pioli is talking O line, we not going with O line in the first round.

I was just thinking

I’ve been a Chiefs fan since the 1980’s when Schottenheimer came here and we’ve only had two good QBs in that time – Montana (and his second year he even had some bad games like against Miami in the playoffs) and Trent Green for about two years before he went into the tank. DeBerg had one good year and then stunk. Don’t even get me started on Dave Krieg of the 16-0 shutout against the Chargers in the playoffs. Cassel garbage, Vlasic oh my god, Blundin argh!, Brokie Croyle pathetic, Tyler Thigpen who was actually fun to watch and kept us competitive when our defense was beyond horrible. Wait, Tyler Thigpen was our best QB after Montana and Green. Holy fucking shit… no wonder why we go ape=shit when we see occasional glimpses of solid QB play from people such as Orton.?!?

Orton=.500 Winning Percentage!

It’s all good! Maybe we can get our own QB Next Year or Next Year or Next Year….