Arrowhead Pride

Exactly, here we go!

Im just gonna go ahead and burst everyones bubble with logic.

1: Indy cannot trade him until the start of the new year, which means they will have already given him his bonus, therefore they are not going to trade someone away they just paid all that money to.
AND
2: If he is cut, it will be due to medical reasons, which puts his career in serious jeopardy, so its HIGHLY unlikely anyone would sign him.

If he is cut, teams will no doubt be looking into him and running all the tests they can, but bottom line is if Indy cuts ties with him, it will be because he has serious health issues to overcome. My guess is he walks away from football and becomes a broadcaster.

Eh, not necessarily true on #2

If he’s cut, it can also be because paying his $28mil roster bonus on top of Lucks #1 draft pick bonus (Newton’s last year was $14mil +) would tie up $42mil in bonuses alone for the QB position just for 2012.

That’s not counting their actual salary for the year.

So there is absolutely more than one legitimate reason for cutting Manning. It doesn’t have to be because they think he’s too hurt to play.

28 MIL ???

Okay I didn’t know it was that much. I see your point…I stand corrected.

Some additional info for you

Since I usually like to ask for links from people spouting numbers online, I’ll extend the same courtesy that I usually request:

Link

There’s a little popup link just above the Facebook share button for contract details.

Thanks for the link

OK...im hijacking this thread because its up near the top

1. If Manning is cut…er…pay good money to get him…we are an attractive team for Manning.

2. Cut Cassel….sign Orton

3. Keep grooming Stanzi

so, possible Manning, Orton, Stanzi

If Mannings head falls off….play Orton….if Ortons head falls off….play Stanzi

it seems pretty simple to me.

MasterBlaster7 - January 13, 2012 reply

I cant see us, nor any team, trading for him

He would cost too much for a very short shelf life.

RememberDelaney37 - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

Now signing him after he is released, I can get down with that shit

RememberDelaney37 - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

You bet your ass.

Free Agent Manning with Bowe / Breaston / Baldwin / Moeaki / Charles / Dex to work with on offense?

If we manage to sign him, hell draft O Line in each of the first three rounds just to keep the guy upright.

Grab a TE in the 4th, and DB depth later and prepare for the super bowl.

Except Bowe won't be back.

aasukisuki - January 13, 2012 reply

Franchise tag might say otherwise.

I think we'd be more apt to tag carr over bowe if it came down to it

but hopefully we can get 1 (or ideally both) of these guys re-signed before FA hits.

aasukisuki - January 13, 2012 reply

Cheaper to tag Bowe than Carr

cheapham - January 13, 2012 reply

i stil think, contrary to all logic

They sign bowe and franchise carr

stagdsp - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

I'm thinking the opposite

but either way works

Buck'O - January 13, 2012 reply

Why? I like to hear contrary logic.

Brsrkr - January 13, 2012 reply

Logic confuses and frightens me.

I avoid it at all costs.

MidMo Chiefs Fan - January 13, 2012 reply

Chiefs have plenty of cap space.

And since we don’t have a Steve Breaston or Jonathan Baldwin behind Brandon Flowers, it might very well be worth the extra cash to keep Carr.

MtHammer - January 13, 2012 reply

If you could get him

Before Bowe walked…that might make him want to stay. Manning makes WR’s All-Pros

Bowe wants to stay anyway

It’s just a question of money, I think

jmcgoblue - January 13, 2012 reply

THIS THIS THIS

Chiefs sign Manning… Bowe AND Carr might just stick around, even if its for a little less than they can get somewhere else. If they really think they could win with Manning leading them… absolutely.

saints_chiefsfan1979 - January 15, 2012 reply

I'm all for drafting three

OL if the players are worth it. We can always sign a FA, and I have a feeling if we get Manning, OL will want to sign with KC. Plus he improves our OL just by the fact he gets the offense into the correct plays and gets the ball out quick.

AZDiamond75 - January 13, 2012 reply

when are we going to get over this paralizing fear of drafting a QB in the 1st round

And this obsession of bringing in every retread off the street that had any success at QB? The guy is 36 years old had has had 3 neck surgeries in a year and a half. It is so bad that he is going to Europe to try this experimental stem cell therapy. Even if the guy was a 100% healthy, how many years would he have left? 2 maybe 3 tops. Factor in also, the guy has had his lions share of flops in the post season (9-10 record). This is just a bad, stupid idea that sadly has been gaining momentum, although it had been somewhat slowed by Orton putting up pedestrian numbers the last month of the season.

No one wants to hear this, but, Pioli needs to be up all night thinking of a possible trade offers for Luck or RG3 on this team. God forbid we have to go to war with Orton as our QB, then Pioli has to surround him with as much elite, all pro, hall of fame talent, in order for him to even have a chance of winning the Super Bowl.

Only QB's worth a first round

are Luck and RGIII. They will go 1 and 2 with someone trading up to the Ram’s spot. Could be Cleveland, could be Washington, probably will not be us. No other QB is worth that first round pick. Go O-line first round (Kalil, Martin, Reiff or DeCastro), get another O-line in FA, and then start drafting depth.

Trust me.

I mean, I didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. But I drove past a medical school last month and recently went to the dentist.

I got this.

new team physician

You have to keep in mind the wind resistance his forehead generates.

You might need fashion some sort of headbrace with some steel rebar tucked under his pads and running up under his helmet.

But, beyond that, I think with some duct tape and bondo we’d be good to go.

buubblegum, duct tape and baling wire

old school

Just rub some stem cells on it

good as new…

jmcgoblue - January 13, 2012 reply

x

GanjaChief - January 13, 2012 reply

I considered that.

That’s why I’m planning to surgically attach a rear spoiler to his fivehead.

Why isn't this greened yet?

Awesome!

LadyChief - January 13, 2012 reply

He might need another neckiotomy

Ochophosphate - January 13, 2012 reply

Dr. says I need a backiotemy.

King of the Cassel - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

Or a Lopitoffemy

Bleedingredandgold - January 13, 2012 reply

or an Addadicktome

Still worth the risk, imo.

MtHammer - January 13, 2012 reply

Not going to happen

it’ll cost multiple high picks, and pioli won’t do it for a 22 year old QB, why would you for a 36 year old who may never be the same?

It'll cost multiple high picks to sign a free agent?

except that he's not a FA

Will be if they release him.

and if we DID sign him, no more silly talk about cap space

or Clark being cheap

Bigcherokeechief - January 13, 2012 reply

na

that wont go away, its a perception

he's not cheap

he just REALLY likes saving money/cap space.

ottawachiefsfan - January 13, 2012 reply

Except you can't trade him until afer the start of the 2012 season

which is after he is due his huge roster bonus. Thats why the Colts won’t be trading him. It’s either cut him before the bonus – or pay him and keep him.

ValkRider - January 13, 2012 reply

Got some catching up to do, I see.

It happens.

If Manning leaves Indy, it’ll be via a release where he can sign wherever he wants to as a free agent – or retires.

Trading is, in all likelihood, not an option by all reports that have come out. (True, things happen that go contrary to all reports from time to time, but it would take a pretty specific set of circumstances to line up).

i like the post

and believe it could happen.As long as we don’t have to trade anything much to get him if he’s not released.In all of our QB posts it seems the forgotten man has been Stanzi.How good is he or can he be.If Manning could come here it may be the best thing for Stanzi. If he’s not good why was he drafted?Ahead of TJ Yates I think. He may be better than we know.

chiefs63 - January 13, 2012 reply

If we did sign him

the game against the Colts would be pretty interesting.

Let's talk about a Chiefs Super Bowl

HIV 2 Elway - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

We can start that conversation as soon as we get a real QB

Man, it's almost like those two things may somehow be connected to the main topic here.

Can’t quite put my finger on it…

Well, you (meaning me) would have to read the title of the post to know that.

Pey-Pey wants to get pay-paid.

reedeasy - January 13, 2012 reply

He's gotten pay-paid for a long time.

He’d get a contract if he’s healthy. 2-3 years, option for a 4th?

We're not going to outbid the Jets for Peyton

I agree with you

but do you think Peyton would want to play there? Big city, big drama, big loud mouth coach. I’m not so sure.

Biggest stage, any player would want to play there

Especially with a coach who will keep his hands off the offense

HIV 2 Elway - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

Yea, I just don't think Peyton, especially at his age, gives a shit about that.

Pey Pey is the biggest shill in sports

He’d eat that shit up

HIV 2 Elway - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

He mightve learned something from Favre

GenericBrand - January 13, 2012 reply

Have you watched TV in the last half-decade or so?

Peyton Manning doesn’t exactly shy from the spotlight (see: half of all commercials on ESPN).

cheapham - January 13, 2012 reply

Who wouldn't take money to do commercials? It's easy money.

I just think he would look at that organization and all the “hoopla” that would come with it and would stay away. Everyone has their price, but I think he would shy away from NYC. Especially with their coach.

Projecting?

Plus brother Eli plays next door.

Hoochdawg - January 13, 2012 reply

Plus

he has done his best to not upstage his brother and his brother’s career. That would of course be hard to do if Eli goes out and beats the Pats like I hope he will. Still, not being in NY, playing in the same town as his brother, could keep him from the Jets.

Plus, do the Jets have the cap space that we have?

but then we can trade for Sanchez!!!!

you forgot the sarcasm

sarcasm font just sucks the sarcasm right out of it

As bad as Sanchez has been

the truth remains Sanchez > KCQB#7

I say

Sanchez = KCQB#7

both Average at best

Falsehood.

Sanchez is a selfish GQ playboy wannabe. That < Cassel.

bossmanham - January 13, 2012 reply

What exactly makes him selfish?

HIV 2 Elway - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

Giving the ball to defensive players instead of his own teammates?

Sounds like sharing to me

HIV 2 Elway - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

sharing is caring!

Rather have Orton in that case.

As good or better production, and wouldn’t have to trade anything for him.

Orton > Sanchez > Cassel

All average QB's just flip a coin and go

Its sad that we would even have to make that comparison

Its like saying lupus>cancer>aids….c’mon…really??

depends on type of cancer really

With these QBs

All terminal

...and whether that type of cancer gets happy feet in the pocket.

71-South - January 13, 2012 via Android app reply

Gotta love being a Chiefs fan!

Salary Cap

Jets don’t have a lot of room, Chiefs have way more. It could happen.

Chatch McNasty - January 13, 2012 reply

why not?

We have the cap space. They don’t. We have a major advantage on that front.

Nicoloco - January 13, 2012 reply

We don't have to outbid them.

Peyton wants another ring (or two) more than anything else. If he feels we give him a better shot at it, he’ll sign here at a discount.

And by discount I mean, $18-20 million.

Yep...

And the Jets are in perennial powerhouse NE’s division. He could come to the AFC West and clean up in this sucky division.

Peyton will never play another down in the NFL

That's my gut feeling as well.

And when you’re talking about a neck injury…it would be just as well. He’s had a great career. No real reason for him to risk his future health.

Scott B. - January 13, 2012 reply

He's one of the most competitive people on the planet.

And he has exactly the same number of super bowl rings as Trent Dilfer.

You think he doesn’t want to up that ring count?

Of course he would.

If he was 100%. But, what QB needy team is he going to go to, and take them to the Super Bowl immediately?

Scott B. - January 13, 2012 reply

Chiefs. Niners. Jets.

Plug an all pro QB into any of those teams and they’re instant contenders.

Especially since the Niners are already contenders.

Yup. I guess I could re-word that to "odds-on favorites" for their specific case.

Word.

I mean, unless you think Alex Smith brings as much to the table as a healthy Pey-Pey would.

No.

The last time I heard this discussed on 610...

The Niners, Chiefs and one other I think were the top teams seen as having the necessary pieces for Manning to be willing to accept a trade to. If he was signing as a free agent, it probably opens up the options a little, but Peyton only has 2-3 years if he’s lucky. He’ll want to go to a team that can win NOW.

He might be willing to follow in Montana and Young’s footsteps… or he might want to just follow Montana’s into KC and become the next most loved QB to come here. Only this time, we’ve got a team that can play. Peyton will run the offense practically by himself. You don’t really need an Offensive Coordinator, you need an Offensive Collaborator.

PLEASE!!

Let that happen…let a healthy Peyton come to KC, draft DeCastro, get Nicks in FA from New Orleans, sign Carr, tag Bowe, trade Cassel, draft depth….I may even buy season tickets, and I live near Des Moines!

if Manning went to the New York with the Jets that city would explode

… and then we wouldn’t have to deal with New Yorkers anymore :-)

I am all for that!

Now if only there was some way to get rid of Californians…perhaps slide it off into the ocean somewhere….or consult with kurt russell to build a giant wall around the city…

make it happen, please

I am trying! But your vote keeps canceling out mine!!

well, if everyone on the planet would face east and start jogging really fast ...

we get the earth to spin backwards, then we can go back in time and if we go back far enough we can trade up and get him in the draft as a rookie

then we would have won a super bowl

and would be the ones drafting Luck and potentially releasing a HOF QB

right, so we need to target Rodgers or Brees

ok, new plan

I am just going to target lottery numbers and BUY the Chiefs

awesome!

so Powerball is up to $1B now … schweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

Technically, no.

The earth already spins east to west (which is why the sun ‘comes up’ in that direction).

To get it to turn backwards, we’d all have to run west. Running east would just speed up time (meaning the weekend would get here sooner, so let’s try that).

no, the Earth spins West to East

Depends on your hemisphere, no?

nope, not at all hemisphere specific

Counter-clockwise, as viewed from the north star. It moves to the direction from west to east

chiefsfan83 - January 13, 2012 reply

I know, that's what I said

What if you viewed from the south star?

You'd have to look past the car on blocks in the yard.

yup, just agreeing with you

chiefsfan83 - January 13, 2012 reply

Hemisphere?

I ain’t afraid of no powerful yet slightly heavier engines!

No

The earth spins in one direction, north is north, south is south.

Tell that to people flushing their toilets in Australia.

Which can be from several different reasons

Not because the Earth is spinning different directions above and below the equator. North pole is north, south is south.

But the rotation with regards to east and west

is opposite. Just look at a globe from the top and the bottom.

The Earth still rotates the same way

The top does not rotate one way, the bottom does not rotate the other way(although.. that might be spiffy as hell)

correct

it’s like looking at the rear wheels on a car … on driver’s side they turn counterclockwise, looking at the passenger side they turn clockwise

but both wheels rotate the same direction … put a penny on top of both wheels, as the car begins to move the penny moves towards the FRONT of the car and then down

perspective is everything

http://www.snopes.com/science/coriolis.asp

Water down the drain according to hemisphere is a myth:

Depends on your perspective, I guess.

Regardless, it goes counter-clockwise.

Experiment with it.

Set your coffee cup on your desktop. Now, use your finger to mark ‘north’ on the cup and the handle marking ‘east’ (meaning, it should be 90 degrees right of your finger).

Now, turn your mug counter-clockwise.

East goes to west on the ‘day’ side facing the sun, while west goes to east on the ‘night’ side.

Therefore, I posit that — since east goes west — it turns east to west.

you don't posit very well

Stage left vs. actual left.

You realize the sun sets in the west?

The earth is spinning below it, west to east. That’s why the dawn greets New Yorkers before San Franciscans. The same thing happens with Buenas Aires before Santiago, Chile. It is the same everywhere on Earth. Perspective has nothing to do with it.

Perspective has nothing to do with it.

It does if you’re considering the spin clockwise vs. counterclockwise (or left or right) as opposed to east/west.

JComp11 - January 13, 2012 reply

You would have to be standing exactly on the North or South pole

to have a clockwise or counter clockwise perspective.

Perspective has everything to do with it.

You realize the sun sets in the west?
The earth is spinning below it, west to east.

Uh, yes. I wrote that bit. Go up a few posts.

You’re making your judgment by looking at the earth as viewed from the stars. I’m looking at the stars, as viewed from the earth.

It’s all ‘counter-clockwise.’ If you’re viewing it from above, things go from right to left (or, from ‘3’ to ‘9’) half of the time and from left to right (or, from ‘9’ to ‘3’) half the time.

However, standing at the center of the clockface, looking in any direction outward, everything moves in a constant right to left. While, if standing at any point outside the numbers of the clockface looking inward, everything moves a constant left to right.

JacinB - January 18, 2012 reply

Works for coffee mugs, maybe. Planets? Not so much.

No

the earth is flat

trentchiefsfan - January 13, 2012 reply

It would make it easier on Archie.

He could just stay in New York most of the season and watch whichever boy has a home game.

Noodle neck < noodle knee

Dude is done

How do you have a noodle neck with fused vertebrae?

JComp11 - January 13, 2012 reply

Al dente Noodle neck

dbakerku - January 13, 2012 reply

Real life bobble head

is it better than noodle arm we have at QB

trentchiefsfan - January 13, 2012 reply

the last time KC brought in an aging, super bowl winning superstar QB

we got all the way to the AFC championship game…..the rest is a history of fail. That being said, he’s way too much of a risk health wise.

reedeasy - January 13, 2012 reply

I've thought about that a lot as well, but, it

just seems that peyton was done where joe wasn’t. joe could have played anohter year or two easily

that's my feeling too.

dude’s gotta protect tha neck

reedeasy - January 13, 2012 reply

It's pretty obvious that all of this is contingent on him being cleared medically.

Assuming the doctors give him in the all-clear, that’s where the overall discussion from the OP picks up.

and what would happen is ...

the doctors clear him and say he’s healthy and ready to go
Peyton says he’s healthy and ready to go
the Colts say he’s healthy and ready to go

and then give him his unconditional release as a free agent

why does all that sound unlikely, if not downright suspicious? hmmmmmmm!

Andrew Luck

$28mil roster bonus

Not much suspicious about that.

Would make no sense for the Colts to try to pay both Manning and Luck. That’d be something like 40% or more of the team payroll tied up in QB’s.

With the new bargaining agreements luck is only going to get something like 20,000,000 over 4 years

nateforchiefs - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

Yup.

$28mil roster bonus for Manning. That’s one lump sum right up front just for being on the team past March.

Plus Manning’s salary for the year.

Plus Luck’s First-year salary / bonuses.

One position, and only one of those players will be playing.

Plus, they can take Peyton's money and reinvest it in the team for Luck.

Yeah. So many reasons keeping both is a worst case scenario.

I can’t see any logical reason to do it.

Again, there may be one – but I don’t see it.

Cam Newton got a $14,518,000 signing bonus.

Luck’s will certainly be higher.

I'm going to be in the minority on this, but the Montana trade was a huge bust for the Chiefs.

When you’re basically saying “this guy gets us to the Superbowl” and he doesn’t and it costs you a first round draft pick for two years of service, it’s a horrible trade. People forget that if Dave Kreig hadn’t been on the team that year we would have never gotten out of the wildcard round of the playoffs.

in the case of Manning it would simply be picking up a Free Agent

Seriously?

Your argument implies we wouldn’t have done something shit all stupid with that first round pick. I’d say our history would indicate otherwise. Bringing in Joe Montana provided one of the few bright experiences for Chiefs fans. How could you call that a mistake?

mls21 - January 13, 2012 reply

When Montana was brought in the idea was they were "one guy away" from the Superbowl.

So they bring in the one guy they thought they needed and failed. When you give up a first rounder for a ticket to the Superbowl and then don’t make it to the Superbowl then it’s a bust. When you give up a first rounder for a guy who was frequently unjured it’s a bust. I think people remember this period of Chiefs history with rose colored glasses because the Chiefs got a lot of media attention for it and for some inexplicable reason Chiefs fans are obsessed with the lack of media attention the team gets. If the Chiefs didn’t have Dave Kreig on the roster they would never have gotten as far as they did in 1993. He spelled Montana when Joe was (frequently) injured. Kreig passed for a TD against the Steelers in the Wild Card game or they wouldn’t have gotten out of the first round of the playoffs.

Marcus Allen was a far more important acquisition for the Chiefs. And they don’t win that game in Houston without Marcus Allen.

Gray Areas

Sounds like some serious black and white thinking. By your logic 31 teams are complete failures each year. I’m not sure I could say anything to change that perspective. It must make it seriously tough to be a fan of this team, or any team for that matter.

mls21 - January 14, 2012 reply

Logic Fail.

Have we been farther than Montana took us since he left?

NO?

Argument is done then.

But the idea at the time wasn't "take us farther." The idea at the time was we were one guy away from the Superbowl.I

If you win the Superbowl then I agree that it’s totally worth the first rounder. But they didn’t even go to the Superbowl. And that’s why the trade was a bust.

Superbowls aren't guarantees though...

Montana was one guy a way from a Superbowl caliber team.

Getting to AFC championship

single handidly come back and beating the oilers, that was a great trade. like others said, we probably would have wasted that pick anyway on Trezelle’s older brother

In no way shape or form did Montana beat the Oilers singlehandedly.

The defense had 9 sacks. NINE!

And that wat

with lousy receivers. With Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Moeaki and Charles or Dex to throw to, WOW!!

I would give anything for us to be able to sign him as a free agent.

Instant Super Bowl contender.

m.yashi - January 13, 2012 reply

Seriously?

I know we need a QB. But, we’ve got a lot more holes than that to be a “Super Bowl contender”.

Scott B. - January 13, 2012 reply

Not really

Our problem is mainly on offense at the QB position. Peyton doesn’t take big hits or sacks and w/o Peyton this year you saw the Indy’s oline is way worse than ours. He covers up the olone mistakes with a quick release and audibles

KingChief - January 13, 2012 reply

we have a weak OLine and can't score in the Red Zone ... not even SuperManning can fix that

Actuall yeah. He can fix the red zone woes.

That’s the very essence of needing a quick read and quick release.

With Manning throwing to targets like Bowe, Baldwin and Moeaki around the red zone – that would be exactly what would fix our inability to score in the red zone.

This is just not true

His line wasn’t that great either, as evidenced once he was no longer the QB.

Still would need to do work on the line, but a healthy Manning solves a lot of the RZ issues.

MNchiefsfan - January 13, 2012 reply

like what?

running game? got it…recievers? got it……top 10 defense? got it…basically this team needs a couple O Lineman and…..a QB

No.

Peyton + Bowe + Baldwin + Breaston + Moeaki + Charles = Lombardi Trophy.

Mathematical fact.

Add Romeo & the defense

jmcgoblue - January 13, 2012 reply

That's just gravy.

Instant SB contender

Wherever Manning goes, I think. Personally, I think he’s the best in the league and arguably ever. They went from a 10-win-perennial SB contender-team with him to a 2-win-worst in the league-team without him.

What could he do with a 7-win team that was missing its best offensive and defensive players?

7chiefs7 - January 13, 2012 reply

the Colts made the playoffs last year, but they also struggled to get there (and almost didn't)

football is about more than JUST the QB

I didn't have them going this year even with Manning.

Their problems are a lot deeper than just not having Manning.

and that's my point regarding Luck for those who want to trade away our draft for the next couple of years

ok, but WITH Peyton they won 8 more games

, thats half a seasons worth of games……come on man!!

And he did that with more injuries then they had this past season.

GenericBrand - January 13, 2012 reply

So, add Peyton to our team this year...

…if he won us 8 more games, we’d be 15-1. Not too shabby.

besides right tackle...

not really. When has Manning ever had a 12th-ranked defense backing him up?

Nicoloco - January 13, 2012 reply

He had the 11th ranked defense in 2008.

2 O-linemen...

And we can do that in the Draft and FA. Draft DeCastro to take Lilja/Hudson’s spot since Hudson will be going to Center and Lilja is not that good, sign Nicks out of FA, and we’re good to go. Then draft for depth at O-line, ILB, S, QB, and RB. Or hold on to Cassel as our backup, since he’s already on contract. Or trade him for more picks.

Sign Peyton

And Keep Muir as OC. He can sleep while Peyton calls the plays.

7chiefs7 - January 13, 2012 reply

Forget that. Hire ME as OC.

I can’t call plays worth a crap, but at least I can stay awake throughout the game.

If your KC...why not??

If he is healthy of course…..KC has only won ONE Super Bowl in all these years…if you trade for him and win another, then faulter for a couple years afterwards, it was still worth it…..with the talent on this team RIGHT NOW, Peyton Manning makes you an INSTANT SB contender…running game, good recievers, and a top 10 defense….decent ST.

One of the reasons big name FAs dont want to come to KC is because we NEVER win….its become a tradition, to miss the playoffs, or, get knocked out in the first round….By winning a Super Bowl , player will be more inclined to come to KC and play..

So bring him on, KC needs a new Sherriff in town

I respect Manning's body of work

Obviously he’s a Hall of Famer even if he doesn’t take another snap. That said, if released by the Colts and is able to return healthy next season of course every team will take a look at him. It would be irresponsible not too at least give it a thought at the least.

That said, you know what you have in Manning. Even though he’s already hit his ceiling, it’s higher than Cassel’s. Crennel wouldn’t have to worry about developing a QB and attaining Manning would make take a bit of pressure of the OC hire and provide a ton of potency to our offense in addition to any offseason moves that are made to improve our offense, such as the O line.

Likewise, if we picked up Manning, age 36, isn’t this similar to what we did with Joe Montana? You don’t have much time left in him, he will be in decline in the next two seasons or so. Though you could make the argument that he could carry us to the playoffs and help win a Super Bowl sooner than later.

Short term he gives you something, DEPENDING ON HEALTH. Long term, it still leaves a void for the future, though gives you more time to plan for that.

I’m neutral on the thought of Manning but the thought of him coming to KC provides many pro’s and cons and justifications for going either way.

Long term, it gives you time to groom his replacement

While still winning in the short term.

That sounds like the definition of win-win to me.

That's a good point.

It would be a perfect situation for Stanzi to learn under. Or anyone else we pick up while he’s here…unless we wait until his last season and he’s done and checked out.

to pick someone up and develop them under that is

Or we could be the smartest team out there

And just let Manning be a QB coach/OC instead of putting him on the field for 100000000000000$(Might have left out a few 0’s)

People complain that we have all this cap space.

Plus, due to recent injury history, do you think he’ll get the same $100m type contract he had signed just before all that went down?

I don’t think so.

He’ll be expensive still, because he’s one of the best ever. But the inherent risk will factor into those negotiations, and the price will come down from what it was with the Colts. I’d just about wager on it.

His price will still be high, risk even higher

True...high price tag, injury risk

But if proven to be healthy enough to last 3 seasons, it still upgrades our offense and gives us a slight edge in an area lacking that. Additionally, it take pressure of the OC hire…Muir could look like a genius with a healthy Peyton on the field.

Though with a wrong hit to the upper body and a re-injured neck, we would be back to square one.

Like I said, pro’s and cons to either side and justifications to be made going either way.

No one can guarantee 3 years from Manning

The Man with the Master Plan - January 13, 2012 reply

no one can guarantee 1 more productive season from J Char either

but we sure as hell hope so

Charles is already on the team

We are not talking about dumping a lot of money on him and hoping he can carry the team, completely different.

The Man with the Master Plan - January 13, 2012 reply

Completely?

We are talking about guaranteeing career length… Its all a crap shoot. I know with as much money as people around here say Clark has… I’ll take a chance on the high roller from the last decade, that had an injury last season, and watch him do his thing.

Yes it is different

A young player without as much wear on his body, or an old QB coming back from MAJOR neck surgeries who we would have to INVEST a lot in

The Man with the Master Plan - January 13, 2012 reply

An argument can be made

that RB have a shorter shelf life, thats all I’m saying. It can be assumed pretty easily that Jamaal can be wonderful for another 3 years. But after that can he keep up the speed, quickness, etc? Im saying its worth paying a QB, particularly Manning, to see can he perform at the level we last saw him. Is there perhaps a greater risk of failure? Sure, but this guy if heathly is worth it

It is not smart to bet your future on a old injured QB

if you want to bring up RBs vs QBs.. it’s a lot easier to find RBs than it is QBs

Signing Manning isn't betting the future, though

Only the very immediate future. If he doesn’t work out, you still have Stanzi plus whoever they draft this year (remember Pioli said he wants to draft a QB every year) plus any kind of Orton / Cassel / middle of the road whatever pops up in free agency or waiver wires.

It’s a game worth taking, I think – again if and only if he checks out with our medical staff.

It would be the future as we are, like it or not, in a position to move up

and get a QBotF.

Eh, the only two QBOTF worth trading up for right now are Luck and RG3

And the chances of us being able to do that grow slimmer by the day.

There are groomable / project potential legit QB’s coming up (Wheedon, Tannehill, etc) who could stand to sit behind Pey-Pey (or Orton, or whoever) for a few years before growing into the role.

But we sure as shit better not trade up for one of those guys .

It's Weeden no h.. sorry that's been bugging me haha

the trade up hinges on Bowe, if he doesn’t want to be here/wants too much money.. tag and trade him. That would severally cut the cost in terms of picks to move up

Yeah

I mean the last time we took a chance on a HOF QB who was at the end of his career we lost every game…oh wait, we went to the AFC Championship game that year….

Not concerned about Charles

I saw a statistic of players who had ACL injuries over the past 10 or 15 years. Players who returned from ACL surgeries at age 28 and up showed a decline the following season. Players who returned from ACL surgeries at age 27 and under, returned to full capacity or sometimes showed improvement. Charles is 25 and should make a return of full capacity. Same goes for Eric Berry, age 23.

Peyton Manning is returning from 3 neck surgeries at age 36. Again, pro’s and cons to bringing him on the team and justifications to be made either way. Ha ha. this is not an easy decision as some may feel and I’m glad I’m not Pioli on this one…I don’t think I would fault him for going one way or the other (i.e. if Pioli passes and Manning takes another team to the Super Bowl I wouldn’t fault him; if Manning came here and flopped, I wouldn’t fault Pioli either).

Agreed

Pretty much with you there.

Again, it’s really all contingent on our own medical people giving him the all-clear.

If the people in our camp think he’s good to go – why not do it?

If there’s a good degree of doubt and hesitation internally – look elsewhere.

You're forgetting the part where this entire discussion is based on the hypothetial that Manning is cleared as a healthy go by all medical staffs involved.

Some risk will be inherent. But if he’s cleared to play by the Colts docs, the Chiefs docs, and whoever else is required to be involved in this kind of thing – a healthy Manning is a very productive QB.

If he gets injured – insurance policy!

Depends what you call healthy

That injury, those 3 surgeries.. not likely to ever be 100% healthy

85% of Manning is better than anything we've had in 20 years.

Eh I think I would take preconcussion-Trent over Manning with this team

He can sling the ball around like we used to and actually have a defense instead of a speed bump

He also had to pass a physical before his last contract.

So yeah, that doesn’t really guarantee anything.

Those backups worked out real well for them this season.

Hoochdawg - January 13, 2012 reply

^ reply fail to J Mags

Hoochdawg - January 13, 2012 reply

Peyton can put KC in the Super BOwl NEXT YEAR

enough said…….

Period.

Sho nuff now

HIV 2 Elway - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

Sa Da Tay, wa da tah to the shama cow!

severn58 - January 13, 2012 reply

that, however, is not a GUARANTEE

unless he buys 53 tickets to the game

There are NO guarantees in ANY sport

the Miami heat lost in the finals last year….but guess what, they were at least IN the finals..

Peyton gives us the best chance to win with the talent that is already in KC….

Peyton does?

Not Brees?
Not Brady?
Not Rodgers?

Since none of those are realistically leaving their respective teams in the foreseeable future.

I’d go on and demand you buy the next six rounds of shots for bringing that up.

That wasn't part of the statement though

Statement was ‘Peyton gives us the best chance to win with the talent that is already in KC…..’ Just curious to why

One could make the case that Brees is more likely to leave his team due to actually being a FA and not under contract… ;)

Heh tell ya what, you go on and hold your breath til a team other than the saints signs him

(still waiting on my shots)

(seriously. it’s Friday. bring on the liquor, dammit)

(c’mon, can’t I sucker anyone out of six rounds of free shots?)

Hey now

I’m waiting on pay check, you can wait too!

F'in military and your not-getting-paid-every-week!

Slowing me down, man.

Farm hand haha

Waiting on the check to go through from the sale yesterday, then gotta pay bills, then restocking the liquor cabinet

Well hurry it up, dammit.

I know right

33000 and the banks are taking their sweet time

just looking to argue??

lets go!! Im a BAMF too!

Dude. This is AP.

Nobody in the history of forever here has just started arguing for the sake of arguing.

It just doesn’t happen. It’s unthinkable.

it does too! happens all the time! WHO YOU CALLING ARGUMENTATIVE?!?

come on, I ain’t skeered! YO MAMA!

What are we arguing?

I just asked a question in response to your statement

NO YOU DIDN'T!

(poke-prod)

Eh I'm down for an argument if thats what he wants, I don't care lol

Throw down!

Yes!

wow, i leave for 15 minutes and come back to all this

i was only joking, GAWD!…

So were we.

It’s Friday.

Dipshittery abounds.

And I am not at all ashamed to lead the charge!

I know man...im just talking shit too

YOU'RE TALKING SHIT TO ME?!?!

Bring it !!!!!!1111one

Yeah apparently I really need something to do til I actually have work to mess with later this afternoon.

Just scare all the kids away!

It does hold a pretty high entertainment value.

Wouldn't figure the entertainment would last long enough

for the effort to be worthwhile

Good thing he said nothing about guarantees.

He said Peyton can put the Chiefs in the super bowl next year.

True, technically anything is possible. And you or I could put the Chiefs in the super bowl next year. But that’s just being nitpicky literal.

Realistically, Manning gives this team a very realistic chance to go to the super bowl next year. To where the odds would be far greater than they have for us since we had Montana.

I’ll happily take astronomically better odds of getting there than, say, hoping for that 1 in a million “Cassel makes it happen!” longshot.

Yeah but whats the quote Pioli has loved saying lately?

He is not trying to build a 1 and done team, but a constant contender.. how does Manning fit that? haha

Gives you 3-4 years to keep drafting late round QB's

to find his Brady

Since he likes to develop young QBs instead of throwing them in immediately

It gives him the chance to do exactly that.

Win now while being groomed for the long run.

It’s a short term and long term win.

Or we end up in a situation where we pay Manning a ton, he gets injured and is done

We are losing with a Painter-esque backup QB

which we could get for far less than Manning's salary

We already have em on roster as well

say, you don't suppose we could like ... actually SPEND that money on ... you know, OTHER players ... is that POSSIBLE?

Nicks or a banged up iffy old Manning

Hmm.. tough choice

Nicks, or ... DeCastro AND Bowe AND Carr AND ...

Nicks, Carr, Tagged Bowe

and RGIII haha

Hey I'll take that, too

There’s more than one way to be right.

Some are more likely than others, but none is the only way.

It has to be either/or?

Didn’t realize they were mutually exclusive.

Likely have a shot at 1 big FA after Carr and/or Bowe

Okay. Carr and Bowe.

Manning for the 1 big FA.

Draft picks and journeymen for the gaps / depth.

Now let’s go win some playoff games.

Pioli said he wants to draft a QB every year.

If trading up for Luck / RG3 is out of the question, then you still get your Wheedon, Tannehill, whoever to develop – along with Stanzi – and let the little chia pets grow.

Tannehill has a broken bone in his foot

though he is widely regarded as 3rd best in this year’s group

Right. So say we get Tannehill.

He gets 2-3 years for the foot to heal up nice and proper and be rehabbed to like-new condition, as well as learning the game from pro level coaches, Peyton Manning, and hands on experience at practice.

What’s not to like?

people have been bad-mouthing Marty and the team precisely because Montana ONLY made it to the AFC Championship game

his biggest sin, of course, was losing to a Buffalo Bills team that happened to be one of the best teams of all time (how DARE we lose to the best ever alltime team in the NFL! obviously we must be losers, right?)

Yeah, talk about being snake-bit

That era still stings. =/

it was a big snake

imagine how Bills fans feel … 4 in a row, all losses

Still a hell of a deal to make it to 4 in a row

That team was ridiculous.

oh HELL yeah

which is why I consider THAT team to be “the best” ever … as a whole, as a group … to get to the SB four times IN A ROW … nobody ever has or (arguably) ever will again

Was just going to say I can't see any other team making it to 4 in a row again

It’s funny how much flak the Bills get for that, quite the achievement though

Yeah, my closest friend is from Buffalo and a life long Bills fan.

Anytime he starts shit, all I have to do is just yell, “WIDE RIGHT!”

oh man ... that's COLD

He loses his bluster pretty quickly.

I try not to abuse it, though. =p

ottawachiefsfan - January 13, 2012 reply

we won't have to mortgage the future for him

just the rights to the stadium name.

Hey if he gets us to two super bowls and wins one of them

Manning Field at Arrowhead Stadium works for me.

If we get him to two Superbowls and win one for him

he’ll name his next kid Arrowhead Stadium Manning.

I'm okay with that.

My prediction

Peyton to the Jets, Jets trade out Sanchez, then we have epic Jets/Giants football, two brothers, two QBs.

We are too cheap for Peyton.

JaySoy - January 13, 2012 reply

Jets/Giants superbowl?

They played in the regular season this year, it will be another 4 years until that happens

Jets would have to work some salary cap magic.

But they would be among the logical landing spots for him.

Bigcherokeechief - January 13, 2012 reply

there pretty good at that, my thoughts about where he would end up too. Could see the Cowboys going crazy an making that kinda of play too..

R-E-M-I-X!!

Let’s talk about…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydrtF45-y-g&ob=av2n

KansasCityShuffle - January 13, 2012 reply

Would be crazy for Manning to try and return if he had a neck fusion

Fusion always gives you some decreased mobility to the neck. You see on those slow motion replays how players heads are twisted and turned and how much of a twist there is when the facemask is grabbed. It’s a bad enough risk when the neck has normal flexibility. Greater rigidity to the neck = higher risk of fracture and quadraplegia. Quarterbacks always have a higher risk as the D is always taking shots at them. Don’t see how he will be released medically.

cvane - January 13, 2012 reply

Man, if I had one of those in my neck, I'd lose mobility too.

I know, huh! :-)

Plus that aluminum can crinkling sound every time you turn your head has to be really distracting.

News Flash.....Peyton will not sign with The Chiefs, reason, "The red uniforms will make my ass look too big"

Masons - January 13, 2012 reply

that's only on TV

It really does add 10 pounds, I can't really blame him ; )

Masons - January 13, 2012 reply

Good news...

we rarely wear the red pants.

The Man with the Master Plan - January 13, 2012 reply

Montana/Manning Comparison

We coughed up draft picks for Montana. We are talking about signing Manning to a FA contract. HUGE DIFFERENCE

If you want to make actual football comparisons age, what they did/can do for us, go ahead.

But this is the biggest no brainer moves (barring Mannings healthly) ever!

The real question is does signing Manning put the brakes on either Carr and/or Bowe?

If so, do you still do it?

Coughing up a ton of money or coughing up draft picks

In the end, what’s the difference?

The similarity between the two is that they’re both Hall of Famers in the last stretch of their careers. Granted we have a better receiving corps now than we did when we signed Montana. That’s the big difference.

Another reason it’s not a simple “no brainer” is exactly as you pointed out…if adds a new dynamic against the re-signing of Bowe/Carr. I think you’d have to find a way to keep Carr regardless. Peyton would also be a reason for Bowe to stay longer but if we can’t pay Bowe the long term money he is seeking, it’s possible he would want to test FA elsewhere unless he gets the costly franchise tag. If Bowe leaves you you risk injury to Manning, than that puts a major dent in our WR corps and puts us in a position similar to what the Colts went through this year…granted Cassel is a better back up than Curtis Painter.

It’s just that the Peyton dilemma is more complex than that.

The Man with the Master Plan - January 13, 2012 reply

Difference is

I’d rather dump money, than drafts picks, if you backed me in a corner. Point is, the Chiefs still have plenty of cap room, and have dished out a few cap friendly extensions, to establish a core of players. If for one time in history its time to open up the wallet and try something, right now would be a good time.

You sign Peyton, re-sign Carr who you can almost guarantee isn’t going to make more than 7.5 mil per. and tag Bowe. Maybe “no-brainer” isnt the correct terminolgy. But perfect storm might be better

Tough decision, I wouldn't fault Pioli for going one way or the other on this one

If Pioli passed on Manning and Manning took another teamt o the Super Bowl next year, I wouldn’t fault Pioli for it.

If Pioli brought Manning to KC and he flops big time, I wouldn’t fault Pioli either.

Without trying to sound like a broken record, their are obvious pro’s and cons no matter how you look at it and I think it’s tougher than a “no brainer.” There are easily justifications to be made to go either way with Peyton (pass on him or sign him if released).

yup

i think thats the best thing ive heard on AP about this subject

Ive been arguing my ass off for 2 weeks about bringing him here…..but really youre right….if it happens great if it doesnt no biggie…..but, KC has to explore it IF he is available….they HAVE to in my opinion…if they dont, it tells me they are not really interested in winning….which will be sad

The Man with the Master Plan - January 13, 2012 reply

I'd agree my fandom isnt hanging in the balance here

No Pey,

Back to looking at our own QB conundrum

for the people thinking colts will just " release manning"

You are dreaming….no way do they let this man walk without getting something for him..

As far as getting Manning, obviously anyone would want him..I am just not with what it would cost( pick wise) to get him…if we spend picks,get him,and make super bowl,it would be worth it..but it would be a one and done type team,not a winning team for years….now if we do all that and never go to Superbowl, it would be a major set back for us…I’d rather pass..JMHO, of course… : )

TheScreenName - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

Maybe you can explain what options the Colts have?

The Man with the Master Plan - January 13, 2012 reply

Read below

TheScreenName - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

well before anyone comes down

I should have read more on this before opening mouth.. it would be actually better to release him…my fuck up..

TheScreenName - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

Why?

If they get Andrew Luck (which they will) they haev a decision to make. If they keep Peyton after march, they have to pay him a HUGE bonus. If they pay him the HUGE bonus, they have to keep him, start him (with risk) and pay out his huge contract.

If they let him go, they skip out on his bonus and get to keep and develop Luck. They would actually be losing out by keeping him then trading him to another team who would have to honor his contract requirements (no team will do that, hence, they won’t get what they would be seeking out him).

yea

I know

TheScreenName - January 13, 2012 via mobile reply

In other words

No team will want the risk and price tag associated with his contract in a trade. It would take a release of Manning from his bonus and contract with the Colts for someone to pick him up.

The Man with the Master Plan - January 13, 2012 reply

And this ^^

is how legendary executives lose their job

Buck'O - January 13, 2012 reply

BINGO!

Guess like me, you dont read either

did you read the next thing I said where I said I was wrong

TheScreenName - January 13, 2012 reply

Yeah I read it

But there was something about legendary exec’s biting the bullet that just… did something for me

The Man with the Master Plan - January 13, 2012 reply

I deserved it

TheScreenName - January 13, 2012 reply

Let's not.

hmills110 - January 13, 2012 reply

Not even with a rookie (or two) to groom behind him?

I don’t think anyone is saying do this instead of grooming a young QB.

It’s more of a “do it while grooming a young QB”.

What are the pitfalls of that last bit?

Manning hasn't been able to groom his replacement, look at Painter

That is one big thing about him everyone does not bring up.. he is a great QB(was). He is the OC/coach… but he couldn’t prepare a back up all those years?

Nobody said Manning has to do the grooming.

That’s what HC / OC / QB Coach are for.

It’s not Manning’s fault Painter sucks. And it’s not because of Favre that Rodgers is awesome.

But you take a talented guy, let him learn in a system that works, with receivers that are legit and coaches who know what the hell they’re doing, and he’ll turn out well.

Plus you’re forgetting the fact that Painter may just suck, no matter who tries to help him.

A lot of people have brought up that Manning can coach up the young QB to have him ready when Manning is done

Hasn’t worked like that.

they said that Manning would not let the back up take any first team snaps in practice....

thats where ll the talk comes from him not wanting to groom a younger replacement…

Montana didnt exactly like Steve Young either…

Grooming is more than just first team snaps

Nah. If we get Manning, it won't be for him to coach up his replacement.

It’ll be so we can win in the short term, and meanwhile his replacement can be brought up to speed and be ready to take over when he’s done.

Not to mention that leaves draft picks free for getting O Line.

If we get Manning by Indy releasing him?

We wouldnt need an OC because Manning would be calling his own plays and running the offense. We would have to upgrade OL by draft and FA to protect him and help our running game. Manning with a running game = Super Bowl. I’m just day dreaming that we get Manning plus a young QB to be an understudy of him.

denmaster - January 13, 2012 reply

Really?

Everyone would want Manning if he became available

Here are teams I don’t think have any interest in Peyton Manning

Packers
Patriots
Steelers
Lions
Falcons
Giants
Chargers

That’s more than 25% of the 31 teams who do not have Peyton Manning, and there are arguably a few more…

Oh, and not only is his 40 time terrible, but he also looks a lot like a giraffe when he runs, so no Oakland in picture either =)

PVChiefsfan - January 13, 2012 reply

There are more teams than this with no interest

Panthers, Cowboys, Saints, Bears, doubt even the bills, Texans, colts, rams, bengals, ravens would be interested. I’d say its way over half the teams wouldn’t be interested. and throw out the raiders, no way in hell peyton would play for them or completely dysfunctional or complete rebuilding franchises like the Browns/Bucs

Never count out the Cowboys haha

Yeah especially when it comes to spending stupid amounts of money and possible publicity stunts

They’re always in the discussion when it comes to that.

Off the subject but

Makes me wonder if Oakland will still go for speed first in the draft now that Al’s gone

cvane - January 13, 2012 reply

Nope they will now throw away all their picks at old players like Palmer

Or busts like Curry

zQuestion is

do they stick with Palmer with Hue Jackson gone? Or do they try to land Matt Flynn by giving up MORE picks

IPWT2009 - January 13, 2012 reply

I think they have to stick with Palmer.

They gave up too much in trading for him and put themselves in the hole deep enough, so throwing away more picks to get Flynn would/should be out of the question…then again, we are talking about the RAIDERS

If Flynn even require picks, they may just let him walk

However they have to stick with Palmer IMO, too much invested in him

TRUE

Lots of IF'S here...

IF Peyton Manning is RELEASED…. they have said they won’t TRADE him. But I think they do let him go if they are wise.

IF Peyton passes a physical… Fusion is no joke, but if he can play, HE WILL PLAY. The man is a competitor. You all know this.

IF you have a good enough team for him to play with… As a free agent, he’ll go where he wants to. If you were a competitor like Peyton. With no more than 3 years left, reasonably, where would you go? To a team that has weapons for you to use? Check. To a team that can compete with you? Check. Are the Chiefs that kind of team? CHECK.

If we sign Peyton, Bowe re-signs. Almost guaranteed. Carr likely would re-sign. Between your draft picks and the rest of the free agent money you’d have… along with getting rid of Cassel… you can shore up the Offensive Line and give yourself enough depth to make a run the next two years, maybe three.

This would be a dream offseason plan. Of course, the emphasis is on DREAM, but it’s still in the realm of possibility. Plus, I think Manning knows he could almost single-handedly win the AFC West. That means he’s IN THE PLAYOFFS. Agreed?

The AFC West bit is a good point.

That may almost rule the Jets out of the equation.

AFC East is pretty fierce.

AFC West, or Niners in the NFC West are his most direct routes to the playoffs.

And the Niners are the other realistic team that might decide to go after him.

I’m not sure they’ve got as many offensive weapons, but Frank Gore would make Peyton’s life a little easier and maybe less punishing to his neck.

And someone please try to tell me that we aren't the odds on favorite to win the AFC West if Peyton is on the team.

Please try. At least we could stop hearing about Tebow. It’s be all about Peyton and the Chiefs.

Chiefs are the odds on favorite with Orton.

Heck, maybe even with Cassel.

I don't know. The Chargers always seem to be odds on favorites.

But with Manning… the Chiefs would be absolute favorites.

On AP.. Chiefs are the favorite

Are you sure?

Maybe we should take a poll. It seems highly unlikely that the Chiefs are favorites on Arrowhead Pride. I call shenanigans.

Damn I wasn't expecting to be called out on that one :/

There are 4 Big Ifs on Peyton

1. Is he healthy enough to ever play again? If so see #2

2. Will Colts release him? If so:

3. Will he pick the Chiefs? Manning won’t be playing for money, he’ll be playing to win. JC, WR Corp if they keep bowe, Romeo, KC (he’s got to be used to small market teams and comfortable with it, he doesn’t need NYC media) and Chiefs D wiould be a lot more attractive than most of other teams interested in him. If so:

4. Will Clark/Pioli want to go this route? High risk, High reward. Expectations would be sky high. Neither clark or pioli are risk takers.

It all seems like a very long shot at best.

ottawachiefsfan - January 13, 2012 reply

i don't see the risk

some $ maybe, but i think you make the $ back. He would put butts in the seats and also push merch. I think the Chiefs would have to commit to OL in the draft to convince him to head to KC. With his injury, i think OL is the biggest requirment the competing teams need. He will only go where the protection is.

"IF" we were to take a risk on Peyton....

Why not take a risk on RG3? Both high risk high reward…but one will play for 4-5 more seasons (max) and the other will play for 15-16 more seasons.

Personally… I think the smart move is to just go with Cassel and build up our team to insert a great new QB in the near future.

Because one mortgages your future and the other doesn't.

The risks are entirely different.

In a weak draft... we won't be giving up that many quality players trading picks.

So if there's no good players in the draft.

We won’t be able to make that trade anyway.

Point is, Peyton and RG3 are BOTH high risk high reward pick ups

Their risks might be different..but both high. However, I think the reward of keeping a top QB for 15 years instead of 5 is a lot more promising. Again, either way, I wouldn’t take the risk on either one.

Point is,

the price for trading from 12 up to 2 is likely to be WAY too high…and even if you think RG3 is a complete stud, drafting a QB is still a coin flip. Akili Smith comes to mind.

Look at it this way...

Signing Manning might be the only way to rid ourselves of Cassel.

loyal Chief fan - January 13, 2012 reply

Don't see it happening

I am a huge Manning fan but this is not Pioli’s style. Building for the future through the draft and building a solid foundation for the future. I know Pioli plugs th gaps with some older FA’s but those aquisitions are usually low cost, low risk.
I’d bet more on RGIII trade up then getting Peyton but my gut says it’s Orton or Cassle for our future. I wouldn’t be to upset if it was Orton.

I don't think this has a snowball's chance in

hell of happening. BUT, if Manning walked and the Chiefs signed him, we would be instant Super Bowl contenders. Of course we would need a couple of offensive line pieces but we would be sitting pretty. Add in an experienced OC such as Al Saunders and we would be (dare I say it) almost front runners in the Super Bowl race.

G.L. - January 13, 2012 reply

Cap room inquiry

Say Peyton is healthy and cleared, if we were to resign bowe to a franchise tag, carr to long term, and use draft picks on O-line, TE/defensive depth, would Nicks or one of the premier NT be out of our price range still? Or would it be a DeCastro and 2nd-round Rt be the only feasible option? Seems that Manning would give us the best chance to groom a young QB since the past three years have shown us that drafting a first round QB with Pioli is highly unlikely to happen.

MAllen32 - January 13, 2012 reply

I think it all depends on how that money is structured in the contracts.

Let’s say Carr and Bowe both sign. Give Carr a contract that steadily increases over the 5 or 6 years he’d want. I’d give Bowe a contract that doesn’t change much from year to year. Give them some creative incentive pay options. Stats, wins, playoff wins, etc.

Manning’s contract would be for probably 3 years. Even if he doesn’t play all three. He’s probably going to want close to what he had coming to him. Maybe not the full amount, but close. I don’t know if we can swing it. We might have to be willing to give up either Carr or Bowe. If they were to sign Manning, I think they let Carr walk. (I’m thinking Carr will be gone anyway and they’ll draft his replacement) The defense might take a hit, but the offense more than compensates with a big jump. I don’t think Nicks would be an option, but I could be wrong. I’d expect them to be aggressive enough to sign one lineman before the draft, then find the other one in the draft itself.

Manning would insist

The Chiefs replace Lilja

ExRoyalsFan - January 13, 2012 reply

You mean the guy he complained loudly about losing?

Lilja might actually play himself to death for Manning.