Looking at the numbers, NFL teams aren't very good at hiring coaches. We know the Oakland Raiders are good for a coaching change every other year or so but the 2009 hiring season in particular looks really, really brutal.
There were 11 head coaches hired that year, including Todd Haley by the Chiefs. Of those 11, only two still have their jobs. The latest was Jim Caldwell of the Indianapolis Colts.
Those new head coaches that are now gone include Haley, Tom Cable, Mike Singletary, Steve Spagnuolo, Raheem Morris, Eric Mangini, Josh McDaniels and Jim Mora.
2009 seems like a lifetime ago with some of these guys. Jim Mora? I forgot he was the head coach in Seattle for a year. Haley, Spagnuolo and Morris at least lasted until this season.
The two guys from the 2009 coaching class that are still alive include Rex Ryan of the New York Jets and Jim Schwartz of the Detroit Lions.
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Ryan has 1 more year with the Jets.
All that brash talk has got to produce a winner or they wont put up with the talk much longee.
nateforchiefs - January 17, 2012
Unless they get Peyton
I don’t think it will happen, but that’s the only way Rex saves his job. Another year with Sanchez, and he’s gone.
7chiefs7 - January 17, 2012
Yup
The coaching change that threw me a bit this year was Hue Jackson. As much as I hate the Raiders, got to say that he was a decent coach (if a terrible interim GM). Guess he really couldn’t get along with his new boss. Kind of wouldn’t mind seeing him coaching the Chiefs offense next season.
UCrawford - January 17, 2012
Agreed-- the Ryan implosion has already started.
Rev. Slappy - January 17, 2012
That years deaft was pretty bad too
Not just for the Chiefs, but league wide, IIRC.
DanielH123 - January 17, 2012
Very few teams that got quality that
Green Bay are probably the only team that got multiple quality players out of that draft.
GenericBrand - January 17, 2012
also, the draft was bad
DanielH123 - January 17, 2012
"Layoffs?!"
/wrong Mora, I know
KeyboardGato - January 17, 2012
Between the piss poor draft class that year and having no offseason this year that doesn't surprise me.
Two huge hurdles to overcome especially for first time head coaches.
GenericBrand - January 17, 2012
I don't know about anybody else but the Eric Mangini failure is a head scratcher?
When I see the guy on ESPN he seems to be very intelligent and is able to really demonstrate what teams have done in terms of scheme, coverages, etc. He clearly can identify strengths and weaknesses and knows who the play makers are.
Was he just not a motivator?
BCRavenJHawkfan - January 17, 2012
That would be my guess
Because when I see Rex Ryan on TV, he seems like an idiot, but he managed to keep his job…
7chiefs7 - January 17, 2012
Front Office didn't like him
He didn’t coach the west coast and that is what Homgren wants.
His team was getting better.
Bigcherokeechief - January 17, 2012
I wouldnt hate it if we hired him as DC
Seems like a bright defensive guy but just not a head coach. Although you could say the same about Romeo, which is why it’s key that these two coordinator jobs and assistant HC job is filled with the right guys.
GenericBrand - January 17, 2012
Probably right.
It’s all very strange. I look at Caughlin with the Giants, and his head was being asked for at one time. And now they may very likely go to another Super Bowl. I am growing more and more convinced it is a combination of HC and assistants (OC/DC and others) that has to be just right. Because if it’s not that then that means any swinging dick could do it.
BCRavenJHawkfan - January 17, 2012
Latter is correct.
Jon Gruden has a fucking ring.
KeyboardGato - January 17, 2012
I don't think Mangini gets along with the Hoodie tree very well anymore.
Brsrkr - January 17, 2012
Heh.
Tarkus - January 17, 2012
At least Hoodie didn't shake a finger at him.
Falcon58 - January 17, 2012
IOW
He looked like an asshat instead of a childish asshat.
Tarkus - January 17, 2012
Don't act like everyone here didn't love when Haley did that to McDaniels
GracieKal - January 17, 2012
I did.
Brsrkr - January 17, 2012
I didn't.
Tarkus - January 17, 2012
I much preferred when we beat them later in the season
cheapham - January 17, 2012
Go big
Or go home.
ottawachiefsfan - January 17, 2012
He said Tomlin was right to play Ben in that 49ers game.
If he made those kinds of decisions on a daily basis, then it’s no wonder he got fired.
Brsrkr - January 17, 2012
Actually he indicated Tomlin was right to play Ben in that game IF the purpose was to get in as a Division winner rather than Wild Card.
And at that time they were or thought they could.
BCRavenJHawkfan - January 17, 2012
Plenty of people thought otherwise before the game, and have been proven correct in hindsight.
Brsrkr - January 17, 2012
I think that call could go either way
Ben finds way to win
Bigcherokeechief - January 17, 2012
Not that day. And not against the Tebows, which is where the real failure happened.
Brsrkr - January 17, 2012
Playing in punt block formation finally caught up to the Steelers in OT
KingChief - January 17, 2012
Yeah, I like him as an analyst.
Never thought I would either.
Tarkus - January 17, 2012
I think he's an excellent analyst.
I enjoy his calm demeanor whenever he’s on the Mike & Mike show in the mornings. He seems like a very bright individual who just lacked the motivation and intensity to make it as an NFL head coach.
Pickle29 - January 17, 2012
I actually dont like him because of that
he seems to have a Beaver Cleaver quality to him. Any time anybody questions whether a player is good or not it seems like hes saying “gee golly Wally, its not Tims fault he threw 6 int and only had 3 completions to the right team” He just seems TOO nice and he has a slight lisp thats annoying to me. Its not in the Lou Holtz, Mike Mayock level where you can laugh at it its in that slight level that make you feel sad for him.
slackator - January 17, 2012
I enjoy his Beaver Cleaver attitude.
There’s a ton of passionate people on sports networks. Golic, Bayless, Herm, Ditka, Berman, Chucky, just to name a few. I like seeing the very clean-cut, well-thought out responses from Mangini. I’d absolutely hate him as a TV announcer, but I think he does a great job as an analyst.
Pickle29 - January 17, 2012
My guess
is that the front office in Cleveland prior to Holmgren was terrible. The only three players worth anything I can still remember from that era are Braylon Edwards, Eric Steinbach and signing LeCharles Bentley (who had his career ruined in Cleveland from staph infections).
kc_radrh8r - January 17, 2012
Staph Infections
He wasn’t the only player there to have issues with them. Joe Jurevicis had problems there too and about three others as I recall. The front office then spent a lot of time trying to convince everyone that the fact that they had multiple players with staph infections didn’t mean staph infections were a problem. So yeah, there’s a reason nobody was lining up to go to Cleveland.
UCrawford - January 17, 2012
Well, at least we had one of the better hires in 2009.
wustl_chiefs_fan - January 17, 2012
We actually traded for Cassel.
Tarkus - January 17, 2012
I wonder what was worse...the 2009 coaching class or the draft class?
KC_Chiefs - January 17, 2012
Dre Kirkpatrick busted for Marijuana.
Just thought this was interesting with Carr’s future with the Chiefs in doubt.
bamachief5558 - January 17, 2012 via mobile
Like Pioli's worried about a little weed.... Justin Houston anyone?
Falcon58 - January 17, 2012
3rd round steal again?
Tarkus - January 17, 2012
People saw what we did with Houston. This might actually boost his draft stock.
Brsrkr - January 17, 2012
Boost it?
Maybe not hurt it as much as it would have previously.
Tarkus - January 17, 2012
A little sarcasm never hurt anybody.
Brsrkr - January 17, 2012
My point exactly.
I wouldn’t want to lose Carr and replace him with Kirkpatrick in the first… but the second? Hmmm…
bamachief5558 - January 17, 2012 via mobile
Not surprised seeing as how your name is "bamachief"
Still wouldn’t do it, you don’t get rid of your known commodities for unknown, especially since Carr is still young, if he was finishing up his 2nd contract then I would agree
GracieKal - January 17, 2012
nvm
Misread your comment.
Yes, I too would take him in the 2nd, with or without Carr, would rather be with Carr
GracieKal - January 17, 2012
Haha yeah.
I’m saying I wouldn’t want him in the first. As a Bama fan ;)
bamachief5558 - January 17, 2012 via mobile
Ha yeah
I would’ve understood that otherwise…
BTW, as a Bama fan, how would you feel about Barron as a Chief if could get him after trading back to the back of the 1st or somehow in the 2nd?
I’d love to get him, with all the 3 Safety sets that Romeo uses
GracieKal - January 17, 2012
I like Barron, but...
… not for us in the first round. We have much more immediate needs. I think Rashad Johnson was more of a playmaker than Barron, and I’m personally wary of defensive backs coming out of Saban’s system. I think they’re generally good prospects who are overhyped.
The prospects out of Alabams I’d be mist comfortable with in the 1st are Trent Richardson and Dont’a Hightower.
bamachief5558 - January 17, 2012 via mobile
Mmmmm, gimme some Hightower...
Does that dude have any smarts? Who made the defensive play calls for that team?
Brsrkr - January 17, 2012
Kirby Smart is the D coordinator.
I have to assume Saban has a hand in the playcalling, though I’m not entirely sure.
Yeah, I think Hightower is a good player and not an idiot like Upshaw. Hightower became the man on that D after Rolando McClain went pro.
bamachief5558 - January 17, 2012 via mobile
Michael Merrit ain't
that’s for damn sure…
Sudden - January 17, 2012
Yeah, but the funny thing is
2 of those were being talked about as HC of the year all last year, Haley, and Morris
GracieKal - January 17, 2012
What the heck happened to Morris? I don't keep up with the Bucs.
Brsrkr - January 17, 2012
He lost like 10 of his last 10 games
and got chop-socky’d
The Redskins hired him to coach their d-bags… I mean d-backs.
Ochophosphate - January 17, 2012
Yeah, but I mean why did it turn south so badly?
Brsrkr - January 17, 2012
"Because the Vatican is trying to steal my jars of pee."
KeyboardGato - January 17, 2012
Those damn Templars
DanielH123 - January 17, 2012
I have to rec that shit.
go_saleaumua - January 17, 2012
Probably because his calls were being monitored.
Tarkus - January 17, 2012
Goes hand in hand with the 2009 draft class.
2009 sucked ass.
Tomahawk29 - January 17, 2012
Has anyone ever heard of Jerry Rice trying to get into coaching?
He was on ESPN this afternoon and man, he’s got the fundamentals down. He was pretty critical of the way Michael Crabtree catches footballs and why he has so many drops. I figure with Rice being the best WR ever and possibly the most technical, attention-to-detail player I’ve ever seen, he should be able to pass that on to other players. Of course I’m not talking OC-type of stuff, but what about WR coach? Our guys have all the physical skills, but could be a little sharper on their routes and while the drops have decreased, they’re still there.
1kmilesfromkc - January 17, 2012
Chiefs do need a WR coach.
Having fired their last one and all. I’d think the next OC would have a lot of input into that hire, though.
Tarkus - January 17, 2012
assistant coaches
are the strength of the league. so many get HC chances but its such a crap shoot, and they dont get enough time to turn things around. then….they go back to being very good coordinators. where have all the great HCs gone?
be cee - January 17, 2012
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