Arrowhead Pride

But we haven't gotten our point across yet

Talking points, talking points, blah blah blah. I hope we get at least four more threads about this so I can clearly show you that my position is the one that is right.

I disagree!

Rabble, rabble, rabble, jargon, jargon, jargon. Idiot, moron, buffoon, Clark, Scott, and even sometimes Deron Cherry. Mock draft, mock draft, freakin’ Sabby, freakin’ Sabby, strange black vans, cameras, and let’s not forgot toilet microphones………………harumph!

severn58 - January 18, 2012 reply

Mock drafts and Sabby don't belong in this thread

That would mean actually talking about football. Shame on you.

Cudos...

I guess only the wise can truley understand the profound humor in your post! Awsome.

David Winton - January 18, 2012 reply

Did someone say Deron Cherry?

Pacific Chief - January 18, 2012 reply

One thing is probably true...........

Pioli is a SOB to work for

Or he expects the most outta people

Than the previous regime did. Goes both ways

you can do that without being an asshat

Or he's just really strict

Which most bosses are and their “asshats” for that. McDonalds is always hiring, warehouses are always hiring.

Mickey D's hires kids, not adults who need to earn a living and feed their families ...

warehouses don’t hire many with backgrounds like those in the offices at Arrowhead … you seem to be sadly out of touch with the realities of the working world and the economic disaster that’s going on around us

Actually I'm not

Most of the people in my warehouse that I’m in charge of have degrees in other fields, higher fields. Think before you speak about my field of work

well then, I'll have to apply there

Economic disaster?

You mean asshats like Mitt Romney who make their millions by raiding company pensions and pocketing the money while putting employees out of work, and then tell the American citizens that they are “just jealous” and it’s all class warfare?

Or do you mean the 5.4% unemployment in the great state of Iowa, where a B.S.E.E. like myself has his electronics company but must also work a second job to provide for his home and family by choice, regardless of the “oh the economy is in a shambles” bullshit that every unemployed person uses as an excuse to sit on their ass and watch TV?

Or perhaps you refer to jobs in the extremely vertical market of the NFL, where a few fortunate people have the opportunity to chase their dreams? The football side, not the business side, of course. The business side can GFTO and go work for some other entertainment industry if they think the big bad wolf that is Scott Pioli is too hard to work for. Except that the business side works for Donovan… RAC sure doesn’t come across with the same paranoia Haley has displayed.

You said yourself that you have a BSEE yet you still have to work two jobs, and then you call other people lazy because they can’t find one job which pays more than their unemployment check.

You’re a tool.

Not everyone has a BSEE and not everyone wants to work 60+ hours.

manofnothi - January 18, 2012 reply

It's not what you want to do, it's what you have to do.

If it takes 60+ hours a week then do it, or sit on your ass and get a check from those that do.

Super Gnat - January 19, 2012 reply

I have 38 employees, and I am sure a certain

percentage of them think I suck. Largely this is because I expect them to do their job in a responsible and consistent manner. Any time one is in charge of an organization or bus there are going to be people who think you are an asshat.

business^ above not bus

True............

but I have been in a different situation

Amen

That’s the problem with people now-a-days. I’m a forklift drive overnight for a warehouse, pretty damn good employee(not trying to sound like I’m the shit). I can do 9 of 10 things perfect and my boss would rip me on the 1 thing I didn’t do perfect. They never want you to be complacent, cuz thats when you start taking it easy on your job.

My opinion is if you treat your employees

the way you would like to be treated yourself, you will retain your good employees and have a happier department. Still, you have to expect your people to do their job with minimum feedback from higher up.

I hear ya

I just think of it this way. The previous regime was so easy going and this new one was just the complete opposite and alot of those people aren’t used to dealing with that.

That very well could be the case.

That's where I'm at with this

Is Pioli probably TOO strict, sure. But it’s probably magnified cuz Carl,Herm,Dick were TOO easy going.

This is old school, and in today's society, it doesn't work

People aren’t motivated by fear anymore. People need to be respected in order to be motivated. When you rule with an iron fist, people fear doing great things; it’s counterproductive. It’s not the 1920’s.

It’s simple: respect your employees but make clear your expectations and manage them individually. Just like a football team, you can’t coach/manage each player/employee the same way; you’ve got to get to know them and find out what makes them play/work best, and go with that.

Yeah, that new school stuff has worked wonders in our education system.

Number 1 in the world in self-confidence. yay

Everybody gets a trophy!

RA_ChiefsFan - January 18, 2012 reply

Haha. Good point.

bwh31 - January 18, 2012 via iPhone app reply

Rec'd

electriclight - January 18, 2012 reply

This just in....

the way you manage fork lift drivers effectively is different from the way you motivate professionals. If my boss (VP level) tried to manage me through fear and intimidation he’d quickly find himself dong all my work as well. Professionals aren’t as easy to replace as warehouse staff.

This guy

Who says he’s trying to manage out of fear and intimidation? The dudes clearly a perfectionist and expects the same outta his staff, period. They can’t deal with that then like I said, McDonalds is hiring.

Who says he’s trying to manage out of fear and intimidation?

If by “he” you mean Pioli than curent and former employees.

Ha you mean former ones who could be bitter?

And current ones who feel not intimidated enough to continue working there. Gimme a fucking break

Yeah! If you feel intimidated by your current boss, just quit!

I mean, in this economy, jobs are almost literally falling out of the sky! It’s not that hard to get a new one!

I have no idea whether the phones and offices at Arrowhead are bugged. But the fact that a lot of both former and current employees believe that they are or could be is not convincing evidence that Scott Pioli is a great boss to work for.

Like I said

McDonalds is hiring right now. Plenty of warehouses hiring right now. Theres jobs out there, not falling outta the sky, but theres alot out there.

If your boss is crossing the line, you shouldn't have to quit your white color sales job in the NFL to go work the fry machine.

In fact, we have laws to prevent just such things. Come on, now.

And yet, no laws are being broken

Otherwise there would be lawsuits and charges filed or even a police investigation, which they’re not. Come on, now.

Do you seriously believe that there are no laws being broken by any company that isn't currently under investigation? Intimidation and fear are powerful weapons agianst potential whistleblowers.

And even if you do believe that, there is a very good chance that those things could be forthcoming, now that the cat’s out of the bag, so to speak.

And even if not a single law is being broken (which I think is actually probable), Babb’s article is still deeply troubling. Because you can be a shitty boss and a bad GM without breaking any laws. And the fact that multiple employees fear or feared that their private conversations were being monitored, and that they often felt they needed to leave in separate cars and different times to go to lunch together, and that security guards are accosting guys outside Arrowhead with camera phones, speaks volumes as to how Arrowhead is currently being run.

The fact that you think anyone who doesn’t like how Scott Pioli runs Arrowhead should quit doesn’t magically make Pioli a good boss. In fact, eventually our best employees will start taking your advice and, with the word officially out there about what it’s like to work for the Chiefs, it’s going to get a lot harder to bring in quality people to replace them with.

And yet, we've locked up some of our best core players"

So I guess they’re fine with this “terrible” boss. You choose to believe Babbs article about off-handed comments that have yet to be proven, and I said up top earlier as to why I choose to believe it’s bullshit, period.

You realize Jamaal Charles doesn't work in sales, right?

So Pioli doesn't work with the players and isn't in charge of the football side

Gotcha. This argument is past old, it was old when it came out. Your not gonna convince me or anything and I’m not gonna convince you of anything. End of story

I wasn't convinced until you dropped that "end of story"

That sold me

Glad to help

Cassel>Sanchez

Cassel and Sanchez both suck...

I get what you’re trying to do, and it is somewhat humorous…

SFLChief - January 18, 2012 reply

and you realize the business side

reports to Donovan and not Pioli, right?

oooh, the class card has been played

Professionals aren’t as easy to replace as warehouse staff.

Apparently, the Chiefs organization doesn’t hire professionals, ‘cuz folks are still lining up to work for them, or so it seems. The article didn’t say one thing about not being able to replace the disgruntled ex-employees.

Seems like everyone wants to overlook the fact that Haley did not report his suspicions to the league office, and the supposed “call from an unknown number” to Babb to discuss the situation hasn’t happened, either, by Babb’s own admission.

So, Pioli is a perfectionist and micro-manager. Haley, apparently, is a paranoid delusional who, as of yet, hasn’t backed up his suspicions with action of any kind.

They are?

cuz folks are still lining up to work for them

They’ve had a different PR director each year and that position is currently unfilled. I guess people aren’t just flocking to work there.

Sounds like they've had no problem

filling that job each year. Or one open job means no one wants to work for the Chiefs? Really?

I'm lower middle class

and i tend to agree with you. Because I would work for the Chiefs tomorrow even in these “conditions”. A boss who demands perfection? How do these people liveeeeee?

But then again, I am no professional. So I have probably no clue about workplaces or anything like that. I should leave it to the experts I guess.

Steve_in_RI - January 18, 2012 reply

A friend of mine just interviewed for a job there.

Media something or other.

We will expect game-tape fanshots from you, then.

I think he'd be selling season tickets.

Not sure about the game tape….

Yeah not a fan of that comment

Warehouse staff is actually hard to replace, especially ones that can keep up with the night,shift hrs, lifting 100lbs constantly, and working fast

Shame on you

what would your employees think if they knew you were on AP

KingChief - January 18, 2012 reply

"I own a six figure company and worth millions"

I’m sure my employee doesn’t like me…….

XtaC69Chief - January 18, 2012 reply

I can lift three hundred pounds over my

head…………..and STILL nobody likes me

Yeah? Well..

I can bench press a car, I’m an ex-football star
With degrees from both Harvard and Yale
Girls just can’t keep up, I’m a real love machine
I’ve had far better sex while in jail
I designed the Sears Tower, I make two grand an hour
I cook the world’s best duck flambe
I’ll take the pick of the litter, girls jockey for me
I don’t need these lines to get laid

Please, who are you shittin'?

You’re a pitiful sight
And you ain’t all that bright
You’re definitly not chiseled from stone
You’re a cheat and a liar
No woman’s desire
You’ll probably die cold and alone

severn58 - January 18, 2012 reply

Severn is now my new favorite AP commentor .

I heard he replaced Krawfish on the AP power rankings

His stock is really rising fast.

I heard he may jump all the way up to the 7th round.

Dunno, I heard he tested positive for smoking trees, plus he has 5 kids...

From 7 different women, and he beats those kids.

And Reverand Roy’s his agent.

severn58 - January 18, 2012 reply

It's all good. I'm sure he'll have a good showing at the combine.

I think the only thing you can conclude is that Pioli is a perfectionist, and he expects the same from his staff as he expects from himself

He worked his way up from the absolute bottom of the totem pole because of his work ethic and attention to detail, I’m sure he expects the same from his staff.

Pioli undermined his HC using the media during the season

Pioli is an unethical, insecure “perfectionist.” BTW, if Pioli is such a wonder perfectionist, why didn’t he know Gaither was a damn good tackle? Why did Pioli release him?

Maybe Pioli spent too much time on coffee prices and trash in stairwells.

ChiefConcern - January 18, 2012 reply

Undermined the HC using the media? how so?

Nobody knows why Gaither was released, because other than Muir saying that he’d lost his explosion, they haven’t said a thing about it. My guess is that they released him because someone was trying to snatch Mims from our PS & Pioli (and the coaching staff) didn’t want that to happen.

Think he's talking about the

canceled meeting story in Chicago.

NJ Chiefs Fan - January 18, 2012 reply

That may be true but..

Those employees have the right to quit and look elsewhere for work. If they think Pioli is a modern day Stalin they don’t have to put up with it. This is America

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

they do ................

but in this economy BTW Stalin killed his own people

Now i want to watch Enemy at the Gates... :-)

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

It's not that easy in this economy.

And if the accusations are true, it’s irrelevant. Employees do have rights, and if their personal phones are being bugged they shouldn’t have to quit to avoid it, just like they shouldn’t have to quit to avoid sexual harassment or abuses of power.

IF their personal phones are being bugged...

I think Haley used the word “tampered,” and he didn’t report it to anyone in a position to follow up and see if something illegal had occurred. Again, he didn’t take the action necessary to confirm/deny his suspicions.

Further, why was Haley concerned about what he might be overhead saying on his office phone? He stopped using it in recent weeks prior to his firing. It would seem his paranoia got in the way of him doing his job. What could he possibly discuss during a phone conversation in the normal course of work that would get him in trouble? Not using said phone probably contributed (in some degree) to his lack of success at the end of his tenure.

First of all, Haley was concerned that his personal cell phone, which he had been using since before becoming the head coach, had been bugged. Not the office phone (or perhaps not just)..

Sorry, “tampered with.” By which I’m sure he meant that Pioli installed Tetris on it without asking.

Second of all, are we really going to take the, “If you have nothing to hide, why do you care?” route here? Because I thought we had finally moved past that kind of McCartheyist logic.

Seriously?

I’ve worked for a Fortune 500 company who shamelessly told all employees that they were being monitored, as needed, at any time (except bathrooms) and that included reserving the right to monitor phone conversations.

It NEVER made me pause for even a microsecond to pick up the phone and make a business call, in-house or out. Why should it? You don’t think that unsubstantiated claims by Haley, that he himself did not follow up on, are indictments of the workplace and have no basis in paranoia?

McCarthy, huh? Now you believe Pioli and Donovan have blacklists and bring in employees to tattle on others?

But since Haley was concerned that his personal cell phone had been tampered with (a serious crime) it must be true and he didn’t report the allegations to any authority because, um, why?

This is what I don't understand as well.

If he had suspicions of wrong doing, why wouldn’t he take his phone to the authorities? If the phone had been tampered with, wouldn’t that be easy to prove? Is there a way to tamper a phone without any chance of finding out? I’m asking someone who knows more than I do about it because I honestly have no idea if it’s possible or not. Surely we have at least one techy guy on this site that can inform us of what is and isn’t possible. Not only that but, assuming it can be proven that a phone has been tampered with, why can’t he turn the phone over now? Also, why isn’t this a legal investigation already? I would really love to hear some facts for a change.

Chiefs_40 - January 18, 2012 reply

So you're going to believe and unsubstantiated claim from Haley that his phone was bugged?

When he had absolutely no proof of it and furthermore and even more damning, didn’t even follow up his claim with an investigation of it? Go ahead of that’s how you operate but I presume innocence until proven guilty. Especially from am employee who could see the writing on the wall about his job status…

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

Maybe.

But he’s our SOB.

I will be interesting to see how this shakes

out, but initially at least I think it is more likely Haley is a little nutty than that the Chiefs organization is a little shady.

I think they are "shady nuts"

Tony Perkins - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

Shaun Smith knows about shady nuts........lol!

I thought that was Almond Joy

"Sexual Chocolate!"

"Big Chocolate Salty Balls!"

….sorry.

MattyMac44 - January 18, 2012 reply

Ouch!

A little OT but Kevin Keitzmann pointed out yesterday on 810 that

Haley’s wife sued McDonalds I believe back when he was just a WRs coach for something like 1.7 million dollars for finding a dead baby rat in her salad. That’s disgusting and all but idk if it warrants 1.7 million dollars to a family that doesn’t need that kind of money in the first place. Hope she donated it to somebody That really needed it and learned the ultimate lesson: Stay away from McDs… Not saying that it relates to Haley’s nuttiness but it might point towards the character of the Haley’s in general.

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

I always wondered what mcnuggets were mad out of.

I actually found out just the other day and you dont want to know...

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

Ha me too!

Starts out lookin like pink cotton candy, glad I don’t eat McDonalds

Ya, that about made me ralph

But maybe I should start eating McDs. I mean, they can put all the dead baby rats they want to in my salad for 1.7 million dollars. No really j/k cuz no amount of money could make me want to eat that crap

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

For 1.7 million...

I’d actually eat the dead baby rat.

Shityeah. I would.

Especially if it had been through the deep fryer. It’ll be disinfected. Crispy rat surprise for 1.7 large – alright.

Hell...

For that kind of money…I’d eat it, shit it out, and eat it again.

I second this.

For 1.7 million bones, you could spread shit on it like butter and salt it, and I’ll suck it down like it’s a slice of pepperoni pie.

They eat worse for less money on Fear Factor

KingChief - January 18, 2012 reply

I'd eat it, puke it up

and eat it again for 1.7 mil

Listen, the list is pretty short of things that I wouldn’t do for $1.7mm

For 1.7 mil, I'd eat it alive, let the stomach acid kill it, shit it out, eat it again, and give it 5 stars on Yelp.

Sudden - January 18, 2012 reply

bonus points for voting it up on Yelp

well played

I don't listen to 810 (I live in Pittsburgh)...

…but this seems STUPID to even bring up. It has nothing to do with Haley’s unofficials “claims”. It’s just them sucking up to the Chiefs by enacting some good old character assassination on the Haleys.

Don’t forget that 2 days after he was fired, he and his wife were finishing up charity work on a home for a needy family. Same guy who handed cash to the guy waiting at the bus stop in the freezing cold. By all accounts, the Haleys are good people.

Im not saying the Haleys arent high character people...

Just pointing out a fact that Mrs Haley sued McDs for 1.7 mil before. The Chiefs organization has always made it a point for their employees to be heavily involved in charity. I’m sure Tamarick Vanover and Bam Morris were involved with charity too when they lived in town, doesn’t make them upstanding citizens. And pointing out that they’re the type to sue for an insane amount of money might pertain to this since Haley was the one making ridiculous claims like his phone was tapped and all the walls are bugged. I’m sorry but that sounds paranoid schitzo to me. I think their character needs to be judged when claims like this about a billion dollar business are being made. And why would 810 have to suck up to the Chiefs? That makes no sense.

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

In the Haley's defense,

they probably had to pay their lawyers about 1.6 million dollars.

Oh, im sure they had to pay a hefty percentage of that to the lawyer (not 95% but a good %)

But that makes it appear all the worse. That doesn’t make it an better. Because if it happened to you or I then we prolly couldn’t do anything about it cuz no normal person has that amount of money sitting around to sue a corp like that…

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

I take it jokes aren't your strong point?

Okay, let's take this point by point.

First off:

And pointing out that they’re the type to sue for an insane amount of money might pertain to this since Haley was the one making ridiculous claims like his phone was tapped and all the walls are bugged. I’m sorry but that sounds paranoid schitzo to me.

The rat in the salad wasn’t a “paranoid schizo” delusion of Haley’s. There was an actual rat in the salad. That has nothing to do with anything.

Now the suspicion of Haley’s that the phones and offices were bugged would totally be a “paranoid schizo” delusion – if he were the only one who suspected it. But Kent Babb found those suspicions were shared by a bunch of both former and current employees.

And why would 810 have to suck up to the Chiefs? That makes no sense.

Why would “810 Sports Radio, WHB, Exclusive Broadcast Partner of the Kansas City Chiefs” have any motivation to parrot the official line coming out of Arrowhead? I can’t think of a single reason.

My major problem with all this is...

The only employee named was Todd Haley! Why didn’t Babb name anyone else? Why haven’t any of these former employees at least came out and claimed the same thing and put their name on the line? Hell, why hasn’t Haley even came back around and substantiated his absurd claim? You can’t just assume Arrowhead is some freaking CIA wanna-be based off of claims by Haley and ‘numerous former and current employees’ when none of them have even publicly appeared to corroborate these outlandish claims. God I hope I never get tried for murder with you on my jury…

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

So, Pioli dropped a dead rat in Haley's lap?

That’s what is being said. The dead rat was there, but the complaint is the Haley’s got too much. So, the accusation was correct.

Bad form, Keitz. Your analogy helps Haley.

ChiefConcern - January 18, 2012 reply

Jesus, you people.

The dead rat has NOTHING to do with Pioli or the Chiefs. Its just an event that occurred to the Haley’s that might shine some light into the their character. Nothing else. Gleam from it what u will…

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

If I found a dead rat in my McDs salad

I’d blissfully sue those bastards too. You don’t get an opportunity like that very often! (paraphrasing Burn After Reading there…)

And that doesnt surprise me if youre eating anything from McDs in the first place

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

i ate at mcdonalds once

hate the bid mac
passed out
woke up with my pants down and bent over a car in the parking lot

not one to sue, but that might just give me cause. ew

Excuse me Scott.

I’m tired of you eavesdropping on my conversations.
Good talk. Thanks. Bye.

alexanderdyer - January 18, 2012 reply

Did Haley actually go on record claiming that he thought his phone was bugged?

I thought Babb’s article simply suggested that Haley’s behavior was that of someone who thought it might be, and then connected the dots from quotes of others.

I can’t remember; I haven’t read the article since the day it came out. But I think it’s fair to mention, if that’s the case because everyone seems to be holding Haley to the fire for making “bold claims” that I don’t recall him ever actually making. It was more of the way he was acting.

jbj8609 - January 18, 2012 reply

I think he told Babb during the season he thought his cell was tapped

Which people with common sense know that that’s bullshit. And it’s funny if he really did think these things instead of going to someone that could find out or do something about it(police, whatver) he goes to the media.

yeah and

Haley was never quoted.

chiefnation - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

Haley, who is currently seeking employment with other NFL franchises and doesn't want to hurt his chances by being seen as the kind of guy who would badmouth his former team (regardless of how true it might be) declined to go on the record for Babb.

That doesn’t mean Babb just made it up when he said that Haley expressed suspicion that his phones were tapped.

I never meant to suggest Babb "made it up".

Just that Peter King and Mike Florio both called for Haley to speak up and explain himself if he was going to make those kinds of accusations.

However, I didn’t remember Babb’s article every stating that Haley explicitly made any accusations. Just that his behavior seemed to corroborate – or at the very least, correlate with – accusations from other Chiefs employees.

jbj8609 - January 18, 2012 reply

Just win a DAMN playoff game.

Sick of stupid shit coming out of One Arrowhead. Play football and STFU.

chai1836 - January 18, 2012 reply

Amen.

couldnt have said it better.

greened!

KC Nate - January 18, 2012 reply

It's a tough and progressively more competitive league and it looks like we are only going to get closer and closer to a playoff win.

This “stupid shit” could result in One Arrowhead losing a ~~great~~ good GM.

And if you are already wanting football played again, then you my friend are in for a looooooong offseason. Usually it’s just looong with three o’s.

Chiefs_swagger - January 18, 2012 reply

I'm not sure anything could be longer than last offseason

Normally you’ve got free agency, the draft, OTA’s and minicamps (and the tidbits that come from them), more free agency, training camp, and finally pre-season before we get to te regular season.

Last year, with the lockout, we had a combine/draft, and then FA/training camp/preseason all shoved into a 4-5 week span.

DanielH123 - January 18, 2012 reply

good point

Chiefs_swagger - January 18, 2012 reply

hire tebow and we'll do it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9O2Glr9thw

How To Tap A Cell Phone | Can You Really Tap A Cell Phone?

alexanderdyer - January 18, 2012 reply

I know how to tap a keg.

Or maybe tap that ayussss

Or maybe tap dance?

Babb should have never reported

The alleged felonies without evidence and proof. The candy wrapper bullshit yeah go ahead.

As 810 SAID yesterday Haley could have said Pioli cross dressed and was gay that doesn’t mean you report it without proof.

chiefnation - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

Kietzman is the biggest ass in Kansas City

“I won’t report on Missouri anymore.” I’m taking my ball and going home. Fuck that pleated pants weaing bitch.

Spot the looney - January 18, 2012 reply

What’s a Missouri?

PLEATED PANTS ARE GAY!!!

No offense to gays

My sister is gay. I just meant that pleated pants are really not fashionable.

My sister's gay too!

That’s so gay.

Chiefs_swagger - January 18, 2012 reply

Pics or it didn't happen

Somebody post a pic of pleated pants here plz

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

...

cheapham - January 18, 2012 reply

You all have to admit that pleated pants are so much more comfortable. I feel like a police officer when I wear flat front pants.

ExRoyalsFan - January 18, 2012 reply

Wait, so you're saying gay people aren't fashionable?

I CALL SHENANIGANS!

Hey, wait.........I have pleated pants on.

Does this mean I am gay? I did not know that about myself……………..lol.

are you a fan of dongs?

SFLChief - January 18, 2012 reply

Uh, I am a real big fan of pussies!

No……no……..not Tyler Palko, the other kind. So, I guess I must not be gay. How is it all you young whipper snappers say it………no homo?

Hey Farva what's that restaurant you really like?

Scaryclouds - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

with the mozzarella sticks and the goofy shit on the walls?

If something is not fashionable

than it, by definition, cannot be gay. fashionable = gay, right?

Sudden - January 18, 2012 reply

I think he's still reporting on them.

You’ve never said anything out of anger before?

Truth: Kietzman is a crap load better than Barely Wright has ever been.

Kietzman is a crap load better than Barely Wright has ever been.

And this sums you up to a T. “Would you like the crust cut off your plain white toast.”

Also, recent ratings disagree with that statement. Wright is clowning on that cranky dinosaur.

My support of one radio host "sums me up."

Yeah that makes sense.

And since when do ratings determine who actually is a better host? Compare them to the marks of truthful and smart journalism. One garners ratings on pure sensationalism. The other doesn’t. I’m not surprised in the least that sensationalism sells, doesn’t prove anything.

"Blue Valley was crime ridden so I moved my family to Leawood"

Random quote.

ok…

Unfair to sum you up based on who you like to listen to...

However, the ratings have always been what Kietzman is so proud of! He has always pointed out how much better than he is than the show on the other channel, based solely on ratings.

JayHawkeye - January 18, 2012 reply

Well then he's incorrect to do that.

I love some tv shows that are on the brink of being cancelled because I see the quality in them (ie Fringe). Other shows that are successful (Jersey Shore…..) I can’t understand how people can watch them.

Sorry, happens all the time

If you come round here telling me how much you love the new Nickleback album or how Fred Durst defined the 90’s for you, I’ve heard all I need to hear.

Dude! New super group!

Add Durst to NB and get Nickelbitzkit!

OMG BRO THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME! WOOOOO!

I'll throw on my Affliction shirt and meet you there

Best joke heard this Halloween season….
My girl to dude in Affliction shirt: “Oh, you dressed up as Ed Hardy”
Dude in shirt which he viewed as neither ironic or as a costume was not amused

I still have some Hobie t-shirts. Am I cool?

Mid-80's Hobie, fuck and yes

HIV you praise Nick Wright

So Kietzman is the biggest ass in KC but you think Kietzman Jr. (Wright) is the coolest. And no, just because Nick’s bumps are hip hop songs doesn’t make what he does any different than what Kietz did coming up.

Much like that tool Holtus, Kietzman jumps at the opportunity to felate local sports figures

For that they can both go to Hell

You can say the same for Wright

with his boys (the players). Trust me, I’m not defending Kietzman at all, but I do think it’s funny to hate on somebody but love the same guy minus 20 years.

Must be something to be said about getting old and selling the fuck out

Just wait

one day when Wright’s an old veteran on the airwaves and some young kid calls him an ass, you’ll see what I mean.

Wow, Holtus is a tool now?

Wtf man, he’s a KC sports radio legend. He eats, breathes, shits and sleeps Chiefs and Big 12. What do you have against him?

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

He's a radio legend? No, no he's not. Those titles belongs to Kevin Harlan, Bob Davis and Denny Matthews

Like, I believe ChiefDJ or UC said, its one thing to be a company man its another to constantly felate the organization. Holtus is a less talented Bob Gretz

ive never quite understood the love for holthus. i think he obviously knows the chiefs better so listening to him is better than the cbs broadcast

but i think hiv and craig in calgary would be a better team than the cbs broadcast teams

Well we'd be better than any team that didn't have Harlan

Who cares if you know the team if your just some pompous shill? It would be totally unbearable if it wasn’t for Dawson’s complete lack of filter. Holtus isn’t as bad during games because, well they have to discuss whats going on, but listening to that ass on Chiefs Kingdom is straight torture.

i will agree, Harlan is tops but

C’mon, you seem to disdain certain people affiliated with the Chiefs (Hunts, DT and now Holtus) for whatever reason but without knowing these people like family or close friends, how can you form enough of an opinion to dislike them as much as you do? I’ve met Holtus and met DT before he died and neither of them were pompous or assholes to me. In fact Holtus was very gracious and held a conversation with me like any regular person I would meet on the street. There’s nothing to dislike about him so I don’t get why you insist on hating certain people.

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

Anyone who doesn't like Holthus isn't worth debating with.

you've gone too far

that will surely haunt my dreams

tomachop - January 18, 2012 reply

I like Kent Babb

But you’ve got a valid point. That’s a pretty big bomb to drop without evidence. Could or will have serious repercussions to both the Chiefs franchise and Haley’s career.

Can we black this story out for 24 hours?

Google is! Why can't this be?!

well

the image might be but I can still google stuff :P

KC Nate - January 18, 2012 reply

No that's what I meant lol

Wikipedia got me twice in a 5 minute span.

Damned hippie protesters!

Spot the looney - January 18, 2012 reply

Well

There goes Babb’s Pulitzer Prize and Nick Wright’s Peabody Award.

I think Wright still has a shot.

Way-Back Machine???????

Mr Peabody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can we please...

Just get through one offseason without something making our team look bad?

Too late for this one, I guess.

Of course, Barely Wright considers the story confirmed now.

I think the broader issue is whether and to what extent others thought something like this was even possible.

If people thought this was possible, either there’s a surprising lack of understanding in what tapping or even bugging a phone entails, or arrowhead had a lot of people prone to believe conspiracy theories.

You're surprised that the man on the street doesn't know how a cell phone works?

I guess I shouldn't be.

KansasCityShuffle - January 18, 2012 reply

The only way

someone would suspect their phone has been tapped is if a higher up within the organization shared information there is no way they possibly could have known. The article recently from the Mothership detailing Crennel’s fierce loyalty almost makes you now question how it is they know so authoritatively? Todd probably realized quick the walls had eyes, and conversely Scott probably found out quickly Todd wasn’t true blue(red) about the Chiefs organization. This would explain the dirty secret around league circles about the discord between HC & GM at Arrowhead.

Either that, or he's just paranoid

I've heard that smoking dope will do that to ya...

Also, keep in mind

This is a guy who believed there were magical powers in some dirty cloths from last season, along with his facial hair

KansasCityShuffle - January 18, 2012 reply

Please

The dirty clothes & facial hair was a middle finger to Clark Hunt & Scott Pioli. I’d bet Z-Man’s on it. After his raging outbursts on the sideline at some point you know they spoke with him asking to conform. One thing we know about assholes is – they don’t conform. They then grow spiteful and see what they can do to make it worse

I don't agree with this

Because I identify with Todd Haley a lot. I loved his coaching style and his personality because it’s similar to my own and how I’d be as a coach. When an employer doesn’t let you be who you are, and let you do the job they hired you to do your way, you do rebel, because you believe in yourself and you move to make a stand and not give ground. It’s not about being spiteful, it’s about not caving in and abandoning who you are. I don’t know how you can fault Haley for that; if anything, fault Hunt & Pioli for not letting the guy be himself and creating a restrictive work environment.

What coaching style would that be?

Football wise? Cuz he was flat out terrible at the 1 thing he was hired to do here.

Yeah, Winning that AFC West Title was "terrible"

Getting a team that the prior Coach had left in shambles, into shape and totally turning around the losing, non accountability culture was “terrible”

dablueguy - January 18, 2012 reply

Right cuz that was all Haley

The same guy that has half the Chiefs historic blowouts under his belt in only 3 years time.

Well stated

I have been waiting for somebody to say this! What is wrong with facial hair? Hunt & Pioli can dress like they want but they should have left Haley alone. In my view – they are the ones who look small after this. I will always pull for the Chiefs but now I would like to see Haley do well just to show them.

TossPowerTrap - January 18, 2012 reply

Not sayin, just sayin...

The Signs Of Cocaine Paranoia
When do you know if cocaine is making you paranoid? During the hours following cocaine use, in the cocaine comedown period, you’ll start to feel anxious and nervous. You may start to feel hostile and mistrust people who are around you. You might start to believe that people are talking about you, plotting against you or about to attack you. Your heart will be beating faster than usual and it may be hard to calm down and reassure yourself. Added to this is the effect of being tired without being able to sleep and lacking in nutrients that have been depleted by cocaine use
(H/T WebMD)

ArrowDread - January 18, 2012 reply

You know, the "Haley is coked up" has been a running joke on here for a while now

But come to think about it now, it may actually be true.

May actually be true?

Not sure how many coke heads you know, but all that I know look and act just like Haley

Pretty sure I've seen Haley make this face before

cocaine is a hell of a drug

Dog food tastes exactly how it smells

DELICIOUS!

my feet are strong Joe Rogan...

SFLChief - January 18, 2012 reply

Major accusation to make

Wreckless and careless. The guy has 5 kids. He regularly speaks in a slow, monotone voice. And you’re now calling him a cokehead? Classless and stupid. Shame on you all.

you mean like claiming that you are being watched & your personal cell phone has a wire tap on it?

Exactly

And on that point, the criticism should be on Babb here. Haley obviously told him this in confidence – it’s not like Haley made a statement to the press or to the league.

Um

Babb is the press

If Haley wanted it confidential he wouldn't have told a reporter...

nateforchiefs - January 18, 2012 reply

Noy sayin, just sayin

ArrowDread - January 18, 2012 reply

Pretty sure hes joking man

And I'm sure there's plenty of cokeheads

With 5 kids and speak in slow monotone voices(usually when they’re coming down)

And I like Haley

ArrowDread - January 18, 2012 reply

What does having 5 kids have to do with anything?

Sounds like a reason to get high to me.

IOW

Nothing to see here, please move along.

If this is true,report them

Don’t keep ya mouth shut and cry about it after you get fired.

denmaster - January 18, 2012 reply

If you go back and re read the story carefully

There really IS nothing of substance there. You have a couple former employees bemoaning the fact that it’s no longer a family atmosphere, and that they couldn’t deal with the changes. The “candy wrapper” incident took place nearly 3 years ago, and it was done to make a point to senior staff. People wanting to go outside to talk negatively about the company? Well DUH, I do that at my workplace too…it’s not paranoia, but some things are private & I don’t want the people around me to hear what I’m talking about.

The whole premise of the article is based on Haley’s paranoia and the words of 3-4 disgruntled former employees. The Star says they “spoke to” two dozen former employees and eight current ones. There are a few negative quotes, and a lot of conjecture, but that’s it.

That's my biggest problem with the story

Whether or not anything is true, Babb just has too many references to “a former employee”, he has very few names. A “journalist” used to be able to cite specific sources.

bakerlee - January 18, 2012 reply

Uh...

actually a journalist doesn’t. In fact the right of a journalist to protect their sources’ identities is protected by law to protect those that fear retribution of coming forward.

NJ Chiefs Fan - January 18, 2012 reply

Bingo!

Will Haley make a statement?

At some point, the guy has to reemerge and questions will be asked. His character is taking a beating at this point – he has to do something to salvage it.

Sounds like the Jets withdrew their offer to make him their Passing Coordinator

Manish Mehta of the NY Daily News reports:

The Jets and Haley came to a “mutual decision” in recent days that Haley will not join Sparano on the team’s staff.

Must be because of this, huh?

Or maybe because there’s only room for one playcaller on a team.

Unless your the 2011 Chiefs lol

ExACTly.

The Jets had already hired Sporano when Haley went there to interview

They gave him a job offer to become their “passing game coordinator”, and this story came out a day or two later. Now they’ve mutually agreed that he won’t be coaching there… Doesn’t sound odd to you?

Sounds like they made the right decision, just based on football.

I understand that both guys worked together before, but they’ve also both been head coaches since then. And we saw the mess that happens when Haley tries to share play calling. If Haley and Sparano actually are friends, then this non-hire probably saved that friendship.

Here is the thing, I liked Haley for some things and then hated him for basically the same reasons, but

Haley is FUCKING NUTS! This guy might have some serious psychological issues.

Because you know him personally?

Or because you’re an internet psychologist?

Because of his overall actions, and the way he conducted business on a day to day.

His constant feeling that someone was listening to him and the overall spite that he grew towards the organization that made him completely tank games.

The way that he would put blame and made his players take ownership on things, but then never took it on himself, and his reason for it was a constant run around bullshit story. Then he tries to go and further take down an organization that he helped build/destroy. Sane people dont generally have such a strong hatred for whomever, and feel a constant need to try and come up with elaborate stories.

You show me ONE other person that has gone to such lengthy extremes to either make a point/spite an organiztion

John Boehner

damn you ups

True..........

and don’t forget Mitch McConnell

Haley "tanked games".

Was that during his near Coach of the year job winning the AFC est in his second year after taking over a dead franchise?

dablueguy - January 18, 2012 reply

Then end of the Steelers game

The Bears game and the Jets game. I think thats what he was talking about. We had a napkin of an offense and Orton clearly would’ve been hands down the better play/chance to win in every single one of those situations. He put his ego ahead of the team trying to win and had the fucking nerve to continue to say “I’m putting out the person that gives us the best chance to win a game”

Are you Haleys cousin or something??

You did say above that you live in Pittsburgh. Which coincidentally is where Haley is from. Not sayin, just sayin..

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

No, actually I'm not.

That would be cool if I was, though.

I work for a phone co.

Guess what. 100% of the people who call in and think their phones are tapped, are freaking nuts. I’m not saying, I’m just saying

dbakerku - January 18, 2012 reply

hahaha

unless of course the government is wire tapping them

We send out complimentary tin foil for that

dbakerku - January 18, 2012 reply

the government sends out complimentary search warrants for that

Don't need warrants anymore.

Sad. Fact.

kcsno56 - January 18, 2012 reply

Agreed

If Haley Won Games

He wouldn’t have had to worry about his phone being bugged. Paranoia has ruined many a coach, most notably Mike Martz in St. Louis. I’m sure the chiefs are cracking down on people that weren’t with the program, but all this CIA nonsense is just that. Nonsense. This comes from people who are either unhappy with their job or holding a grudge for being fired, things change under new management, roll with it like Ray Farmer, or get out.

just a guy - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

watch Kent Babb mysteriously die or get "lost" within the next week

My thing is that if the bugging and phone tampering was true...

Why didn’t Haley go to the League office before he got fired? Apparently he knew he was going out.

Haley obviously was trying to get at the Chiefs by playing Palko the way he did. It makes no sense if privacy laws were being broken. He could have brought major shit to Arrowhead AND filed a lawsuit if these allegations have any truth to them.

So instead of keeping it legal and filing a complaint about privacy laws he instead starts Palko and doesn’t bathe for a month? Yeah, that’ll really teach the Chiefs a lesson…

I like Haley, and had no ill will towards him, but he’s making it hard to continue to do so. Dude is seeming more and more like a raving mad lunatic.

because the league is run by powerful people (pioli)?

would be better if haley alleged child molestation.

You can goto the police if you feel your personal cell phone is tapped

Or even your current cell phone provider

All powerful people.

Powerful or not that has nothing to do with my point

They can find out if it’s actually tapped, instead he goes to a media that can do what exactly?

I was agreeing with you.

HA, sorry

So much arguing in this I can’t tell who’s on what anymore. My bad man, that’s on me!

it would be an invasion of your privacy (federal tort law) but it wouldn't be a crime in general

unless they’re stalking you. Then that’s a crime

NP.

Just wanted to be sure you knew.

So powerful people are exempt from the law, or at the very least aren't subject to serious backlash and reprimands?

Richard Nixon, Joe Paterno, Tim Donaghy, Mike Vick, and a loooonggg list of others would like a word with you.

No, the point is that all the powerful people have formed a coven.

The PP League they call it. Can’t fight one PP without having another hit you right in the butt.

Huh-huh.

You said “PP”.

look at all those peopl

nixon-resigned and pardon. If I did the same, prison time
Joe paterno-quit but not charged
mick vick—try an illegal dog fight and see what happens. He got off lightly

So Haley couldn't spite Pioli and the Chiefs by making a serious complaint?

Pioli would likely lose his job, spend possible jail time, and the Chiefs would forever be tarnished.

Jail time isn’t the only consequence that can happen. Powerful people get in trouble all the time. Pioli and the Chiefs aren’t immune to public backlash and reprimands.

If there was any truth to Haley’s claims, then Pioli and Hunt are in deep shit.

unless they remove it all and leave no evidence behind

then haley would look crazy

Which is exactly why Haley should have gone to the authorities RATHER than talk to the press about it.

Instead he played Palko, didn’t bathe and grew a beard to get at the chiefs organization? Ok…

Seriously man, if there was any truth to this, other than Haley looking more and more like a coked out lunatic, then we would have heard nothing until the Chiefs were served with a warrant. Haley already looks crazy.

Also don’t forget that this guy sued McDonalds for a mouse or bug or something in a salad. He knows how to file legit complaints and start lawsuits.

+1,000,000,000

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

a woman had hot coffee spilled over her and she got millions in damages

having a dead rat in your salad is a health code violation. Would you like a disease carrying rodent in your food?

Chief Willie Wildcat - January 18, 2012 reply

That's his point

Haley knows the proper channels to create a lawsuit.

i thought his wife brought the suit, not him

Gotta imagine Haley knows a lot about lawsuits after that...

DONT GO TO McDs!!

Problem solved…

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

And your point?

Tapping personal cell phones is a violation of privacy laws.

First and Foremost.....

with these allegations, speculation, and pure guessing as to what is going on inside of Arrowhead it seems like the front office change over hasn’t gone very smooth.

There is chatter from a bunch of you that this must be true and then the other half of you saying this is just a bunch of disgruntled employees. I can think of one thing and one thing alone that would sum most of this up and everyone of you experience this is every day life. If you are doing the right thing and not doing anything wrong then why would you give two rats ass’s about if someone was bugging your phone or listening into what your doing at work? I am sure some of you are going to say well its just the point. Who cares! If your doing your job right and doing what is being asked of you then you don’t have anything to worry about period! If someone wants to try to micro manage you that is responsible for writing your paycheck or if they are literally paying your pay check then your are being payed to do as they wish. If your being asked to do something illegal then you have a responsibility of reporting that to the NFL if you have gone up the chain within your own organization then that is the next step. Nothing has been said by anyone that I know of that the Chiefs asked them to do something illegal. With that being said then what your asked to do by your upper management, whether you agree with it or not, you have to do. I say again if your doing what your supposed to be doing then who cares if they are looking over your shoulder, listening in on your phone conversations, reading your email, bugging the facilities your job is located in. This says to me that people were not doing there job correctly to begin with and had reason to worry about this being done.

78Chief - January 18, 2012 reply

Orwell... Orwell anyone?

Granted the shallow surface of this agrument may sound Ok its the practice of it that gives me the creeps…..From my observations of human nature there are two groups that respond to a given potential injustice in a radical way……..a victim of said injustice or a prepetrator of said injustice. My guess is that front office personnel of some teams were a source of info that the “Patriot Way” utilized to spy on other teams……..Pioli is hopefully a reformed criminal of that system and taking safeguards against its exploitation of the chiefs.

aaronbrown87 - January 18, 2012 reply

Well...

We could be the Chargers.

Check this out, I promise it will brighten your day. At least it did mine.

kcsno56 - January 18, 2012 reply

Am I wrong to use this whole thing as a reason to be even happier that Haley is gone?

DisplacedChief - January 18, 2012 reply

Nope.

I’m right there with you.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57360665-503544/sopa-pipa-what-you-need-to-know/

Welp.

Nothing to see here olololololol.

NotAGoodName - January 18, 2012 reply

I'm sure ALL of you are also aware of the SOPA act that's currently winding thru congress ... that and another that will REQUIRE everything you do online to be monitored

(lest anyone think I’m anti-Big Brother or something, I’ve taken the liberty of crossing thru the one word that could make the following explanation seem like an editorial opionion … all other words and phrases are 100% factual

Two bills before Congress, known as the Protect IP Act (PIPA) in the Senate and the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in the House, would censor the Web and impose harmful regulations on American business

for further reading …

http://www.pcworld.com/article/248298/sopa_and_pipa_just_the_facts.html

While I myself do not support either of those I am also quite aware that this already goes on just not legally lol

78Chief - January 18, 2012 reply

don't worry, we'll just form havens to protect us from government intrusion

look at china, government controls everything but the people created their own safe haven

Ol babby boy has been pretty quiet over on twitter

Since his story came out…why does the star hire guys like Babb and Whitlock who seem like they are always trying to tear Chiefs apart??

jcrunninwild - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

because they bring in readers?

i dont read anything whitlock writes

Babb I have read some things on and if he keeps writing things like this that are all speculation then he needs to fo. But if it turns out to be true that anything illegal is being some by the Chiefs then he deserves some credit. But at this point his story has no substance to anything other than current/former employees not liking to work for Pioli.

jcrunninwild - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

babb has never been a real shock journalist. he hasnt been the whitlock, hes reported pretty much facts, and some opinion

but he rarely pulls this “inside sources” stuff, so im inclined to believe him. doesnt mean its true, i just think he reported what he saw, and whether or not it is true is unknown because they would have puilled any wire taps instantly after the story broke

Let me get this straight.

After the story broke, they would go get Haley’s personal cell phone and remove whatever “tampering” they had done to it?

Any other monitoring, either from IT on company computers, or monitoring of company phones, would not be removed because it’s perfectly legal.

I still can't understand why a candy wrapper lecture bothered some of the workers

I would be annoyed if someone left a candy wrapper on the floor…even more annoyed if it was on a stairwell where there was traffic and no one bothered to pick it up. It’d be embarrassing to have guests or potential free agents see a sloppy and lazy workplace. Didn’t they get that? Keep your workplace clean. Have some pride and passion of where you work.

worc - January 18, 2012 reply

yeah. they teach you to throw your garbage away in preschool, i agree on this one, thats ridiculous

i would be speaking up and lecturing them too, act like a complete child, and you get the lecture a child would get.

+1

Tamba Hali obviously never used That stairwell because we all know he would have picked That up. Pioli Just wants a workplace full of Tamba Hali’s

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

The Chiefs would win 10 straight Super Bowls if they were full of Tamba Halis.

this is a fact

The Don is working on it

But he needs more time. Obviously our organization has more holdovers than Hali’s

Chiefs08Matt - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

babb better hope he can get more information or else this may hurt his credibility more than some think

personally i believe that he reported what he saw, and heard….whether or not that means our guy haley really was crazy or not, who knows, but id sure like to.

if his story had any substance then i think all sports

Media would be talking about it, but they aren’t. That to me says something.

jcrunninwild - January 18, 2012 via mobile reply

You miss yesterday ArrowHeadlines? Lots of people are talking about it

yeah, babb seems to claim he has more, but is trying to get legit proof etc

For all those saying Babb is making stuff up to get attention/sell papers

He isn’t out hyping this story much

no. i think hes 100 percent legit here....and i have no problem getting pissed off with people using sources or stirring bs

but he isnt lying here, just not what he does

All he had to do was publish it though.

The fans and other media sources will do the rest to “hype” it… especially since there isn’t much other Chiefs news going on.

too bad we couldn't draft tebow

tebowmania still running wild

Most "media whore" will jump at the chance to get their face in front of their story though

so why aren't we doing it?

pioli?? Media whore? that sounds perfect

yeah, i just hope its not the other way, and pioli did have a smear campaign, took down haley, and now no one will take him seriously

plus he hasnt made these allegations, so its just hard to say, hes probably not allowed to hence his desire to resign, which is fishy

Pioli didn't make Haley play Palko and not bathe for weeks on end.

no not at all, im not defending haley, im just saying there is a lot of fishy stuff here, and its not j ust on one end

in fact, ive been almost against haley in this scenario because it seems a bit crazy…..so relax. im not talking his decision to play palko, ive never defended it but i will now…

fact; palko played over stanzi, period. orton came in when he knew the playbook a bit, got hurt, and palko played over stanzi.

anyway. there is a lot of smoke here. and it doesnt look good for pioli or haley, it seems like childish games were played on both sides, however…pioli Is in charge of the freaking roster, he could have cut palko a long time ago, based purely on the voice of the left handed qb coach we have