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Yesterday we took notice that a lot of the 2012 NFL mock drafts floating around out there are once again projecting an offensive tackle for the Kansas City Chiefs. It seems like that's been the offseason theme the last couple of years with the mock drafts and it will be again this year.
ESPN's Mel Kiper thinks the Chiefs will go after a tackle -- but on defense. Kiper's latest mock draft has the Chiefs selecting Penn State DT Devon Still. Kiper says the Chiefs have a chance to become an "upper-echelon defense" in the coming years and a "disruptive interior line presence" like Still can help accomplish that.
So do you focus on the defense, where the Chiefs are getting closer to becoming one of the better units in the league? Or do you look to the offense, where the Chiefs ranked second to last in points scored?
It's way, way too early to be figuring out which player specifically the Chiefs will select but the offense vs. defense thing is a good debate. I can see the arguments for both sides but I probably won't settle on any players until after the NFL Combine and some of these workouts. We don't even know if they'll be drafting 11th or 12th yet (a coin flip will determine that).
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I didn't make the pick
but this is exactly what I’ve been saying.
KCMizzou - January 18, 2012
Dumb
Why commit more big money and a high draft pick to the D-line when we have glaring issues at OL, QB, and maybe WR & CB?
MattHoover - January 18, 2012
Glaring issues?
At WR and CB? I’m of the opinion that those two positions are the least of our concerns. In fact, I think our secondary rivals the best in the league, including our nickle package.
hornetchiefsfan - January 18, 2012
That’s assuming we re-sign both Bowe and Carr.
JacinB - January 18, 2012
True
I guess we’ll just have to hope that Pioli’s phone taps on those two didn’t turn-up anything he didn’t like. Cause that’s the only reason I can venture as to why we wouldn’t re-sign them.
hornetchiefsfan - January 18, 2012
The players will have to WANT to re sign here.
Carr I believe will… Bowe on the other hand, with another offensive overhaul coming, uncertainty at QB, and a new OC likely to be hired might want to get out.
Tomahawk29 - January 18, 2012
Bowe was the one offensive player I saw that was excited for RAC after the Green Bay win.
Helmets - January 18, 2012
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the entire team was excited that they just beat the Packers.
I guarantee you that every player on that roster, except for maybe Palko, would have said right then that they love being a Chief and would love to stay here.
Tomahawk29 - January 18, 2012
Plus, most of the offense was still on the field...
Tomahawk29 - January 18, 2012
It's a theory that fits the facts. A proof of it will lie in the re-signings, if forthcoming.
I do think RAC recognizes these are young men who want to be treated like men. They’ll accept high standards if they’re conveyed with respect, most of ’em.
But the theory could still hold for RAC, but if Pioli treats ‘em like punks, re-signings may be tough or high-priced. Hope I’m wrong. The JC and Flowers deals suggest that they want a lot of guys around $4 or $5 milliion (6 or 7?), and not a bunch of low-budget types or ridiculously high-paid types. With the rookie cap, nobody’s coming into the league at $10 million per, and you can make a LOT of guys millionaires with that $4 or $5 million deal.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
88 Million for the 22 starters
leaves 32 + Million for the rest of the roster
Seems fair to me, average 1.4 Million for 23 backups
Steve_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
That's a model the rank-and-file can embrace.
Wonder if there’s something about that in the Goldman-Sachs model?
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Keep Bowe and Trade up to Get RG3,
A Good Quarterback makes the whole team better!
antony555 - January 20, 2012
If we get Carr back, and that may be a biiiiiigg IF
Arrow Head Addict - January 19, 2012
no more big money there is a salary cap u will pay the person same amount no matter who u draft
Brendon - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Trade up for rg3
there is always talent in the lower rounds, sometime they have slipped because personal matters, are and injury that has healed, etc.
antony555 - January 20, 2012
How many defensive tackles are we going to take high in the draft?
bossmanham - January 18, 2012
How many teams are going to make passing their #1 priority?
Gotta get to the qb in the league.
Zimmy - January 18, 2012
DT doesn't do that in our system
upamtn - January 18, 2012
and if they did...
Bailey and Gilberry are the best bets
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
Yeah they do
What do you think Bailey and Gilberry do in sub-packages?
And if we’re gonna rush just 3 or 4 in base packages then So do our DEs
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
A DE playing as a DT in a sub package is not a true DT
nateforchiefs - January 18, 2012
Well he's certainly not a DE
Because that’s not his role in subpackages
ChiefWarPaint - January 19, 2012
Ups, you act like if we had an awesome NT who actually COULD rush the passer like Wilfork and Raji do
that Crennel still wouldn’t ever have him rush the QB, because the nose “doesn’t do that in our system.”
I think the more correct answer is that the 2-gap 3-4 that we and the Pats use values versatility, and IF we had a NT who could excel at both 2-gapping AND rushing the QB, it would give us more flexibility.
It is analogous to the difference between Dorsey and Seymour…both of them were/are very good against the run from the 5-tech, which is good since that is the primary responsibility of the 3-4 DE. But we can all agree that adding the pass rush ability of Seymour to that spot brings additional value (and is why Seymour is one of the best, while Dorsey is solid)
I’m not saying Still is that guy, but we could benefit from a NT who could stay in on sub packages. In 2011 a lot of teams shredded our nickel by running on them out of 3 WR sets, since Bailey and Gilberry are less stout against the run
PVChiefsfan - January 18, 2012
Nickel looked a lot better as the year went along against the run
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
agreed
again, Still isn’t a NT for the 3-4, he’d be another DE
and Bailey has really come along as the nickel guy
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
Still looks like he could put on weight
6’5", 310lbs (according to Penn State’s website). If he could put on 10 or 15, he could play NT.
I’d be surprised if Pioli took him as with intention of playing him as DE. We have Dorsey, Jackson, and Bailey. Gilberry could stick and we’d be set at DE. I’m not saying we’d be stellar at DE, but we’d be set. Still at NT would help a ton.
7chiefs7 - January 18, 2012
If Pioli takes him in the 1st, expect him to play at the weight he comes in at, +/- conditioning.
He’s not going to look to sculpt a guy he’s willing to take in the 1st, imo. The 1st isn’t where you pick guys for what you want them to become. It’s where you pick guys for what they are, already.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Brockers from Alabama might be a better NT prospect than Still
but either has to be able to play all the Defensive line spots.
Gilberry has not shown he can play a 3-4 D-line spot at all
Steve_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
agree.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Nevertheless, you have to think IF Still were taken, then there's 3 first-rounders that ARE gonna play.
So Still inside would be a strong possibility. So would Jackson or Dorsey on any given play. In fact, that 3-tackle front that Crennel likes to run would be VERY tough to figure out, and could run variations MUCH more easily than offenses could counter them.
Myself, seeing Jackson as the beastliest of the current group, I see little in the NT job description that he couldn’t do better than Edwards or Gregg. Plus he’d do a few other things better.
Still would also be a guy who’d serve well in 5-tech and be able to stay on the field in the nickel. I think the Chiefs are going to have a tough time getting the Bailey-Gilberry projects to perform @ 5-tech in the base 3-4, but they solved the sub-package rotation by moving DEs inside in the nickel and dime. So they’re attacking that “two separate defenses” issue with crossover from the 5-tech DEs. Still makes them very deep in that regard, although I think they were doing OK with Gordon playing that role.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
But if we could only drop the sub-package 4-3 and play a base
front and get QB pressure……..
Steve_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
A more generic 3-tackle front might be a step in that direction.
With Gordon plus a draft pick (with Powe in the wings), maybe they have 4 (plus 1) for a more active base front. They’re definitely functional with a limited-repertoire NT, but Still or Cox or ?Coples? might open up possibilities we haven’t really considered.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
That isn't always the case
First rounders can be sculpted just like anybody else. Tamba Hali anyone? Yeah, he wasn’t a Pioli pick, but all players are coached to improve
TheDudeAbides007 - January 19, 2012 via mobile
But our DEs aren't perfect
We likely lose Gilberry this year, and Dorsey next so were not as solid as we seem. Plus Bailey has big question marks right now, and I’m not sold he’s got a future as a starter in base packages.
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
I don't disagree
We’re not perfect at DE. But I don’t think a first round DE would be the best way to use your draft picks.
I’m just saying if we take Still in the first, I don’t think Pioli would be taking him as a DE. I think he would be anticipating Still putting on more weight and playing NT. Just my opinion.
7chiefs7 - January 18, 2012
Why?
When he’d probably be better at DE and we’ve got Powe who’s shown flashes.
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
Because we have no NT
Powe may have shown flashes, but how many snaps did he play this year? I might be wrong, but I don’t even think Powe was active in week 17. Amon Gordon played more DE than NT. Gregg is 75 years old.
I’m not saying I want Still as our NT. I think Pioli will trade down and take either an ILB, OT, or OG in the late first round.
What I’m saying is I don’t think we have the luxury of taking a first round DE when we have good/decent starting caliber NFL DEs and other holes to be filled. But if he takes Still, then I’m going to think he saw something in Still that will transfer well to NT.
7chiefs7 - January 18, 2012
Or thinks we're fine with Powe and we keep still at DE
I love draft season, so many possibilities
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
Haha ya true, lots of possibilities
I can’t see how he’d think we’re fine with Powe. Did he even play 20 snaps this year?
I clearly see how I could be wrong. If Pioli doesn’t sign Gilberry and trades Dorsey for a draft pick, then Still might be the pick.
I’m thinking Gilberry gets a team-friendly contract and Dorsey sticks and Still goes to another team. Then we draft in the 20s.
7chiefs7 - January 18, 2012
There was no need for him to start
This team loves developing players, particularly lineman its all apart of the build through the draft strategy.
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
Well we'll see
Too bad we have wait so long to find out…
7chiefs7 - January 18, 2012
(By wait so long)
I mean wait so long to find out if Powe will be our NT for the foreseeable future.
7chiefs7 - January 18, 2012
But if he played more...
AP probably wouldn’t be able to fantasize about him so much.
I kid…mostly. I do wish we would’ve let him on the field more later in the year.
It’s interesting most fans don’t bring up NT as the first team need when last year it was at the top of everyone’s list. This year the need is just as great.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
That's my thinking
Maybe because there isn’t a Phil Taylor in this draft? I don’t know much about college ball, but I do know that people (national sources, not just APers) aren’t talking about Poe like they did about Taylor last year.
Speaking of the devil, how was Phil Taylor’s year? I didn’t watch many Cleveland games, but I had heard that it wasn’t going well.
7chiefs7 - January 18, 2012
or the fact we have plugged in older guys and done fine
at NT.
The position is just not as important as 1-2 draft round value
Steve_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
Not sure I'd use the term "important."
More like, the 3-4, as conceived by RAC, allows them to select for stout, durability, and unselfish play. The D-Line before Pioli was still trying to be all-world, with every guy thinking he was a playmaker, rather than a teammate. Then when you whiff, it’s a big play against you. Poor as the pass rush has been, they’ve done a really good job of keeping the QB from breaking contain or scrambling up the middle. Good discipline.
But there’s nothing that says you can’t go for something exceptional up the middle, but Wilfork will tell you how much good it’s doing him, when the rest of the guys aren’t finishing.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Just draft another
long snapper like we did with Jared Allen. Look at him now!! :)
GaryfromIA - January 18, 2012
Bailey was pretty good in the sub package in terms of coming in at the QB
Dorsey is solid against the run
either way, Still would come in as a rookie, FWIW, and it doesn nothing to address the OLine where he have major shortcomings
I’m on for DeCastro because next to Kalil he’s the clear best Oline guy out there … and the best OG by a wide margin
upamtn - January 18, 2012
there you go!
DeCastro or Martin/Reiff all the way :)
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
amen!
upamtn - January 18, 2012
What if Decastro moves before our pick?
That’s where I see it being more likely that Still or Kirkpatrick are the right thing to do with the first pick. It all depends on who falls. Shrine Game and Senior Bowl is where I’ll get to see all these guys side-by-side, and see how they move, relative to one another (and relative to my expectations). From what little I know, I’m not sure I don’t go another direction if Decastro’s gone and Martin and Reiff are still on the board. Just not sure that they’re all that much better or better risks than OTs I see being around in the 2nd or even 3rd rounds.
So I’m with you on Decastro, but I’m lukewarm about those OTs really being 1st-round value.
How would you guys feel about Osemele AND Sanders, for instance? I don’t have my heart set on any one thing, but while I’m no huge Kiper fan, I can easily see guys like Still or Kirkpatrick slipping down the boards, or maybe another d-lineman, after the trade-down, because of the way things break, and, again, I’m not especially keen on OT in the 1st round this year. I think there are more certain 1st-rounders at other positions.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Agree
We run a ZBS and guys like that are usually found later for what it’s worth.
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
we...
ain’t even got an O’C.
12t - January 18, 2012
Which puts our offense ahead of where it was in 2011.
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
Not really...
There’s a chance Cassel will be back
12t - January 18, 2012
But Muir will not be.
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
or...
Palko. …In the mean time I’ll dream of the return of JC running behind a killer o-line. Who cares who’s handing it off.
12t - January 18, 2012
Actually,
In a 3-4 defensive scheme, the middle of the line is as important to the pass rush as the OLBs. It’s the pressure up the middle that disrupts the 3 step drop. When a QB has to drop deep in the pocket, he’s becomes a better target for the OLB. The situation KC is in is that both Jackson and Dorsey are a little more than 1 guy can handle, but weak handling a double-team. A quicker, taller, more powerful guy like Still in the middle might be just what they need.
David Winton - January 18, 2012
yes. That's a possibility. And Still inside wouldn't be the only option.
Shade it one way or another, swap Jackson/Dorsey/Gordon inside, et voila. Throw in either of the big LBs and that’s a damn good front 4 or 5.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
And we need one for them to try and get too
antony555 - January 20, 2012
I know the Chiefs have drafted d-line high a lot lately
but I’d be happy with Still. If he can take that defensive line up a notch, paired with the Chiefs secondary assuming they re-sign Carr, the Chiefs could start looking like a championship type defense. Look how long the Ravens D has carried that team over the last decade. Prefer somehow addressing QB however. Offensive line? I think that can be addressed outside of the 1st round.
CapsLockKey - January 18, 2012
All depends on if Decastro slips to us, or Konz is there after the trade-down.
They’re both guys I consider 1st-round value, especially if KC trades out of that #11 spot.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
I've seen you refer to this...
Decastro ‘slipping’ to us. I like him and think he’s a solid prospect, but OG’s don’t ‘slip’ to #11.
If we stay put, he’ll be there at 11.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
Yeah. But I think if we trade-down past #14 that Decastro's gone. Konz is more probable after many of the trade-down scenarios than Decastro.
But if it were between Richardson and Decastro when the #11 pick comes, I go with the OG.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
If Trent Richardson falls to
number 11 and the Chiefs have not traded down for more picks, he will be the best player available. Offense it is then.
G.L. - January 18, 2012
Agreed
Trent Richardson is the only offensive player I see us grabbing in the first. RT can be found in teh second round, Luck obviously ain’t falling and RGIII doesn’t strike me as fitting Pioli’s mold of a QB even if he did fall. WR we’re good at, the interior line is filling out pretty nicely (although I can see us looking at G in the second/third rounds). The only three positions I really see us looking at in the first are DL, CB (don’t be surprised if Carr walks and we snag Dre from Bama), and RB.
Sudden - January 18, 2012
Can't see RB
with guys like Foster and Murray playing so well. Someone not too long ago looked at the RBs in the playoffs and the highest draft pick is 2nd or 3rd or something? RB in the first round is a waste. Value can be found elsewhere, especially this year. Guys like Polk, Ganaway, Wilson, and others could be value picks later.
7chiefs7 - January 18, 2012
Yeah. I agree with Sudden on my take on 2nd and 3rd for OL being a strong possibility.
But 1st round on RB just ain’t in my DNA.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
You are out of your Mind!
Richardson is not the best player available at 11 or 12. Decastro will be the best player available! A dominate LG will do way more for this Offense than Richardson will and will do it longer. You dont miss out on opportunities to draft Hall of Fame type O lineman!. Not to mention its stupid to waste a pick on Richardson because the odds are he is only going to play at a high level for 3 to 4 years, after that they become normal backs due to injuries.
BigRatt - January 18, 2012
Yup. The offensive line is the second highest priority behind QB.
Falcon58 - January 18, 2012
drafting this high
We need to take best player whether its ilb ot or cb.
Brendon - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Tight End :)
Steve_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
Lol.......I may be out of my minde, but I know a couple of things.
Richardson+ Charles=unstoppable force. I also know how to spell dominant.
G.L. - January 18, 2012
mind^above
G.L. - January 18, 2012
Decastro = Mims?
nateforchiefs - January 18, 2012
Mims <
TheDudeAbides007 - January 19, 2012 via mobile
I get his reasoning.
We do get gashed up the middle in the run game. But a lot of that has to do with the defense being on the field so much.
Still, with Jonathan Martin and David DeCastro still on the board (according to his draft), there’s no way I would make this pick.
citadelchief - January 18, 2012
Is this guy a 3-4 DT?
EricBerryYoYouScary - January 18, 2012
DE
jmcgoblue - January 18, 2012
If he's not...
a GENUINE zero-technique guy in a 3-4, then we don’t need him.
hornetchiefsfan - January 18, 2012
he's a DE
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
Is this a typo, then?
Because that may be causing the confusion.
JacinB - January 18, 2012
nope
was a DT in college, and technically, all 3-4 DLinemen can be called DTs…
but, no doubt, he’d be a DE in our scheme
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
I'm not disagreeing with you ...
… (because I don’t know this guy at all), but can you explain your reasoning?
JacinB - January 18, 2012
looking for a good scouting report
didn’t know this
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
I was wondering if they were related.
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
Yall never read my posts
Do you?
Steve_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
Do I know you?
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
Sorry I thought you were someone else :)
Steve_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
Yes, I was aware...
Art Still was a beast on the D-Line. This may be the connection that gets him drafted by KC. I would expect a trade down about 5 spots to do it, ’tho. This may be the way to go, since there are 2 good OTs available in the 2nd, and another in the 3rd that could beat out BRich on the right side. My money would be on G DeCastro in the first, however.
David Winton - January 18, 2012
Yep.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Well, for one he's 6'4" / 310lb
He’s a good bit taller than you’d want at NT in a 3-4, for leverage purposes.
He’s perfect 3-4 DE size though.
And most college DE’s end up being about NFL OLB size or suited for DE in a 4-3, where you have two DT’s inside. But in a 3-4, you need your DE’s to be big boys to anchor things and be disruptive so the LB’s are free of blockers.
Still has the potential to be a really good 3-4 DE.
TRSChief - January 18, 2012
from walterfootball
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
could be a great one if he can stay healthy
jmcgoblue - January 18, 2012
Hrm, cbs sports had him listed at 6'4"
Still, big boy either way you slice it. Perfect physical build for a 3-4 DE.
C’s and G’s would get underneath his pads at NT though. Unless he’s freakishly strong, his 3-4 NT size isn’t a fit.
TRSChief - January 18, 2012
6-4
Pretty sure Phil Taylor is 6-4
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
Haloti Ngata is 6'4"
Granted, he’s also 330lbs. I would be a little surprised if we took Still, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him play NT if we did take him.
7chiefs7 - January 18, 2012
He's a DE
Plays NT sometimes but mostly a DE
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
Kiper should hire you
because he’s clearly off base on this one.
Nicoloco - January 18, 2012
comin' back atcha, my friend :-)
upamtn - January 18, 2012
Would rather take a 1st round DT than a 1st round OG or RT
HIV 2 Elway - January 18, 2012
Agreed.
Especially in a 3-4.
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
I agree too
KC_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
Says the guy
who thinks Sanchez > Stafford
KansasCityShuffle - January 18, 2012
Says the guy who thinks Jack Stack is good BBQ
HIV 2 Elway - January 18, 2012
I'm with him on that one
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
do you really think Sanchez is better than Stafford?
that’s odd…
SFLChief - January 18, 2012
I may have talked shit on Stafford before he was drafted
Dude brought it this year
HIV 2 Elway - January 18, 2012
yeah he did!
upamtn - January 18, 2012
Yeah I thought this year would be his last.
I didn’t think he could go a full year without getting hurt, but I’ve always liked him and the way he throws the deep ball.
CPT.Caveman - January 18, 2012
He's a little bit better than his blocking.
Looks great when they block good. But still needs help up front, imo.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Yeah the Lions are another team I think go deep in the play-offs next year.
But they do need some o-line help, like the 49ers just a few pieces away.
CPT.Caveman - January 18, 2012
Says the guy who thinks all herbs are the same
Probably feel the same about ales too
KansasCityShuffle - January 18, 2012
I like the kind that doesn't have so many seeds
HIV 2 Elway - January 18, 2012
No, you don't.
KansasCityShuffle - January 18, 2012
Our current DE's > our current LG and RT
MNchiefsfan - January 18, 2012
this ^^^
upamtn - January 18, 2012
I'm on the
DeCastro or Martin/Reiff bandwagon right now. That is this team’s biggest weakness besides QB and there aren’t any QBs we can draft that will help us this year. Has anybody taken an in-depth look at Matt Flynn?
Nicoloco - January 18, 2012
Rob Lowe on twitter hearing Peyton Manning Is RETIRING! he himself said he hopes he’s wrong. This appears to be a rumor but interesting at that.
jcrunninwild - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Oh snap
EricBerryYoYouScary - January 18, 2012
Saw that
And to be fair, the guy has never been wrong on an NFL story…
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
I sure can't recall any.
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
he must have good sources then. good to know. i just started following him
jcrunninwild - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Why would he retire before he got his $28M bonus?
HIV 2 Elway - January 18, 2012
hes not guaranteed his bonus and maybe
Volts already told him they weren’t going to pay him?
jcrunninwild - January 18, 2012 via mobile
*colts
jcrunninwild - January 18, 2012 via mobile
I like the VOLTS better.....
chiefsisit!!! - January 18, 2012
There is no bonus to get if they cut him.
Which is likely at this point. They could work out a feel-good retirement package for him too.
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
I'd never work a day again in my life, if I had what he's made without any kind of package.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
How funny would that be
if a freaking actor broke this news before BSPN.
CapsLockKey - January 18, 2012
been sayin' all year
Peyton aint playing another down in the NFL. Done. Finished. End of story. ’Nuff said.
ArrowDread - January 18, 2012
I guess we should credit you and not Rob Lowe then.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
A little recognition would be nice....
ArrowDread - January 18, 2012
I'll give the two of you the exact same amount of credit
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
Heh.
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
Yeah. I saw that, too.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
That's who I rely on to get my up-to-the-minute NFL news
The guy who plays the sketchy dude on Waynes World
craig in calgary - January 18, 2012
In fairness.
He looks like he might be pretty good in that new Scott Peterson story.
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
I get all my info from Scott Howard
ArrowDread - January 18, 2012
He's not bad
but I prefer the sketchy step-brother from Tommy Boy.
CapsLockKey - January 18, 2012
Which means the Colts have probably just found their Offensive Coordinator.
citadelchief - January 18, 2012
If only they had a head coach.
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
I don't know if I would put it past the Colts to name Peyton the HC...
he’s probably being groomed for it regardless of who they hire this year.
citadelchief - January 18, 2012
maybe we can hire him to be our OC.
jcrunninwild - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Assuming Rob Lowe is somehow correct...
which would be hilarious considering the circumstances, why would Manning retire now?
My thoughts: As a gesture to the Colts for one of two reasons – (1) solidifies their ability to talk to prospective HC’s about what they’re getting into (won’t have to worry about a Peyton vs. Andy Luck – who’s the starter scenario if Peyton plays poorly), and more likely, (2) Peyton will be hired on by the Colts in some coaching capacity (QB coach?) to coach Andy Luck.
camucr - January 18, 2012
Maybe he doesn't want to start over with a new team.
Especially with his age and uncertain future, health-wise.
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
why would Manning retire now?
If he’s done, he’s done. If he has no intention of coming back to play, why not retire? Indy isn’t going to keep him and another team isn’t going to sign him.
If they want him to help Luck develop they need to bring him in as a coach/consultant – not burn a roster spot just to keep his busted ass around.
Ochophosphate - January 18, 2012
haha Archie laughed when asked if true.
Said he thinks Peyton would have told him. His agent also said this is first he’s heard of it. That Rob Lose guy is a piece of work.
jcrunninwild - January 18, 2012 via mobile
BPA @ PON
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
he may be BPA
but, IMHO, it’s not a PON
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
I disagree.
At least with the PON part. Don’t know enough about him for the other part.
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
with Dorsey, Jackson, Bailey, Gordon, Gilberry (assuming he's back)
this is among the deepest position groups on the team
with a possible developing guy in Bair
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
it is deep ... not necessarily our BEST postional group, but "adequate" at the least and most certainly deep
and NOT what should be our “top priority”
upamtn - January 18, 2012
well said
assuming all of those guys are back, I wouldn’t waste a draft pick on a DE.
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
Why are you listing so many DEs?
I thought Still is a DT.
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
in college, yes
he’d be a DE here
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
In that case, I agree with you.
Not a PON.
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
I agree
Gilberry is leaving and well need a suitable replacement, on top of that Dorseys contract is coming up and i see him leaving too. we should start developing now, and the talent doesn’t rely get any better.
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
Wheres the beef?
ArrowDread - January 18, 2012
DE is beef
Just not the type we need the most
MNchiefsfan - January 18, 2012
310lbs is ok
Im talking some 400lb+ beef!
ArrowDread - January 18, 2012
Gotta go to Japan to get that
Akebono still young enough?
MNchiefsfan - January 19, 2012
Either we go o-line
or trade back 1 or 2 times and get a defensive front 7 guy late in the 1st.
EricBerryYoYouScary - January 18, 2012
I think Pioli trades down
and picks up a DT and RT with the 1st 2 picks
KingChief - January 18, 2012
i think everyone ins expecting the chiefs to trade out of this spot
does that make it even harder to make a good deal?
chief in co - January 18, 2012
Teams are always scared someone will draft "thier guy"
I think it’s a matter of what the other team is offering and what we are asking for
KingChief - January 18, 2012
they have to go dl and ol
to start the draft i can not imagine them drafting a skilled position early
chief in co - January 18, 2012
Why not?
We had similar needs last year and drafted a WR. Trying to predict Scott Pioli is the first step in being wrong.
citadelchief - January 18, 2012
we needed help on the outside
with bowe as the only real threat at wr we needed baldwin. did i see it coming no not trying to make that claim. but it made more sense last year than this year. imo
chief in co - January 18, 2012
Remember the Dexter McCluster pick?
Nobody thought we needed him…especially that early. But Pioli made the pick anyways.
The point is that you can’t say the “have” to do anything. Pioli has already proven that he doesn’t “have” to do anything.
citadelchief - January 18, 2012
i can agree with that
chief in co - January 18, 2012
Dex was drafted for many needs on the team at the time
speed
returner
3rd down conversions
etc
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
And how many people had us taking him (that high at least) before it happened?
The understanding of the pick was largely after the fact. Before it happened, most people hadn’t even really considered it.
citadelchief - January 18, 2012
I hoped KC would take him
in the 3rd :)
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
You may be 1 in a million there.
citadelchief - January 18, 2012
and I'm glad they did take him, even if it was a little higher than we wanted
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
He was the only RB that could move the Chains in 2011
Steve_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
true
He picked up a lot of 1st downs this year
stagdsp - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Besides Bowe, he was by far our most important offensive player
MNchiefsfan - January 19, 2012
I actually wanted him in the 3rd-4th too
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
4-5th
12t - January 18, 2012
My understanding is that if we hadn't have drafted him another team that was right behind us a pick or so was taking him.
78Chief - January 18, 2012
I dunno. Last year we had Bowe and ???? at WR.
Chris Chambers wasn’t getting it done. We were picking up a guy off the street the week of the playoff game.
Now with Breaston and Baldwin, we’re in much better shape. Needs are probably radically different (as perceived by the front office) this year compared to last.
TRSChief - January 18, 2012
agreed
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
And we had ???? at DT, OLB, and RT.
EVERYONE was convinced that we were going one of those 3 positions. And then we didn’t do it.
Just saying that you can’t pigeon hole Pioli like that.
citadelchief - January 18, 2012
i think
because we neglected to address them early in the draft last year that is why people expect it to be targeted this year
chief in co - January 18, 2012
Sure we needed those. But we also needed WR.
So our needs weren’t exactly the same then as they are now. We don’t really have a need at WR now.
So it’s hard to say we have similar needs, in a general sense, as we did last year.
We needed several things. One of them is taken care of. List is now shorter.
TRSChief - January 18, 2012
agreed
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
Could make an argument we need RB, SS, FS, CB, TE as well.
Why couldn’t Pioli draft any of those positions?
That’s my point. We have 0 idea as to what Pioli is going to actually do.
citadelchief - January 18, 2012
because there isnt much of an argument
that we need ol and dl more
chief in co - January 18, 2012
Sure there is.
Who is our starting TE right now?
Is Brandon Carr going to be back?
Is Jamaal Charles going to be the same as he was?
Is Eric Berry going to be the same as he was?
What happens if Kendrick Lewis goes down?
citadelchief - January 18, 2012
i didn’t say that those were not positions that we need depth at those positions. but in the case of ol and dl we need new starters.
chief in co - January 18, 2012
We might need new starters at those other positions.
With the limited information that we (as fans) have, we really can’t say what our biggest needs are. And Pioli has already proven several times that he doesn’t always agree with what the fans think.
citadelchief - January 18, 2012
All I know is that when I brought up depth last
it was poo poo’d as we can’t worry about injuries.
We worried about injuries very quickly
Steve_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
where in CO areya?
upamtn - January 18, 2012
greeley for now moving to Ohio in a couple of weeks tho
chief in co - January 18, 2012
very cool, good luck on the move
Prof Mills, one of our latenight and most awesome bloggers, it up there in Greeley … small world
in Denver metro myself
upamtn - January 18, 2012
very nice
thanks headed to columbus for a job, i like colorado except for the donkey fans, but it should be a fun move
chief in co - January 18, 2012
I lived in commerce city for awhile when I first got with my wife, in 87 to 88.
Not a good place to try and judge what a city is like if you know what I mean.
CPT.Caveman - January 18, 2012
Ups, you live in Denver?
When we lived in Kansas, my wife had a job interview in Denver. They went through quite an extensive interviewing process and were very serious about transferring her over there.
I vetoed the move though…
The Broncos are in Denver. Couldn’t bring myself to do it.
J_r0kk - January 18, 2012
We drafted Bailey and Houston
DT and OLB
MNchiefsfan - January 18, 2012
Not in the 1st.
That’s the point. Trying to say that Pioli “has” to do a specific thing in the 1st isn’t going to get you far. He is going to do what he wants and that’s about all there is to it.
citadelchief - January 18, 2012
Ah. I get ya
MNchiefsfan - January 18, 2012
but the positions were addressed
and OT, RB, TE will get picks thrown at them in 2012
Steve_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
I agree
MNchiefsfan - January 19, 2012
hell Pioli might be going for picks
then pick upthe TE Allen,…who knows
tomachop - January 18, 2012
I'm inclined to agree.
Unless somehow RG3 miraculously falls past the top 5 and within our easy trade-up range, I bet we end up drafting in the low 20’s, with an extra pick or two to supplement it.
If we do trade down, early DT and 2nd round RT aren’t at all out of the question.
TRSChief - January 18, 2012
Yep.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
I personally don't care what position we address with our first pick...
I just want that player to come in and make a difference immediately.
No “projects”. No “give ’em a couple years”.
Now.
Scott B. - January 18, 2012
bingo
CWil03 - January 18, 2012
You want OL in that case.
EricBerryYoYouScary - January 18, 2012
yes, please
upamtn - January 18, 2012
Still could do that in nickel packages
Which we run 50% of the time, more if the team passes more
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
1st round...
better play every down or it is a bust. I think this would be the reason to draft him actually, but don’t see it less we make a trade before hand. The clock is ticking on getting much out of Dorsey.
12t - January 18, 2012
You set your expectations way to high
Does that mean any DL prospect we draft in the first will be a bust?
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
If...
he is playing part time (and I’m not refering to coming out to take a blow)after 2-3 years, yes. Do I think Dorsey and jackson are busts? In our system, yes, but I don’t really blame them for that. The late season change of attack showed glimpses of promise. I’m predicting a return of the 4-3 for many teams for these reasons (too many sub packages) easier to take out one LB.
12t - January 18, 2012
Bill Simmons' take:
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
funny
but I bet Rob Lowe has more connections in the agent world to Manning’s people than any of these writers do. I smell a hint of jealously in that tweet.
CapsLockKey - January 18, 2012
These guys are always crazy...until their right.
citadelchief - January 18, 2012
Holy shit, that is fucking awesome...
best tweet I have ever read…
SFLChief - January 18, 2012
Drafting defense would be a smart move IMO
KC_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
Offense too.
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
haha, rec
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
Special teams?
We need someone to block Seymour on field goal attempts.
EricBerryYoYouScary - January 18, 2012
K..
Who’s going to score if Succop gets hurt?
12t - January 18, 2012
Yeah. We need to pry Janikowski free from Chokeland.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
QB
craig in calgary - January 18, 2012
THIS
reedeasy - January 18, 2012 via Android app
.....Will not happen in the first round
KC_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
.....this year
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
.....ever
EricBerryYoYouScary - January 18, 2012
....because we have Stanzi
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
yeah baby!
neiowakcfan - January 18, 2012
Tannehill?
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
puke
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
Haha
Tell us how you really feel.
craig in calgary - January 18, 2012
In the 3rd or 4th? Sure, worth a shot.
TRSChief - January 18, 2012
He won't last that long
If we’re waiting that long I’d rather have Foles.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
agreed
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
I'm fine with Foles in the mid rounds too.
I just wouldn’t use a 1st or 2nd on Tannehill.
If he made it to the mid-rounds, why not?
TRSChief - January 18, 2012
Foles may not make it to our pick in the 2nd...
But if he does, I’d snag him.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
Seriously though
None of this matters if our depth chart at QB is 1) Matt Cassel 2) Rick Stanzi
Hell, reach for Foles in the 1st if he’s the guy and won’t be around in the 2nd.
craig in calgary - January 18, 2012
This
Or trade back and get and get a pick in the early second round. I think Foles will fair well in the pre-draft events.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
I somewhat agree with you.
If they like Foles, they should trade back and get another pick and take him later in the 1st.
If you are rolling with Cassel, you need a great D though…which makes a pick like Still all the more possible.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
With Stills though wouldnt you have to move Dorsey?
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
Probably...
Although Dorsey didn’t have a good year.
I’m not saying I think we’ll pick Still. I don’t. I am saying that going D is even more likely, imo if you are rolling with Cassel. Will need a dominant D to have any shot at a championship.
Still is a good player, but I’d be surprised if we took him.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
Agreed
Defense has to be the pick if Cassel is the guy.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
And if we actually use FA this year
And sign an OG and/or RT…as well as bring back our priority FA’s…then drafting D starts to not just be a possibility, but likely.
I still think the most likely scenario is we take OG/OC in rounds 2-4, following the path of the last two seasons and bring back Lilja, let the kid watch for a year…
And yeah, I realize I went off topic.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
I guess i didn't catch that. Seems on-topic, to me.
I think pretty much all bets are off ‘til we see what happens in FA, ours and new ones coming in. The pattern is mid-level "I do my fuckin’ job" types in FA, while they go about building in the draft, around the positions filled in FA (or behind them, for instance, Jerrell Powe, brought in for up-side, but without any panic to field him as a rookie).
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Given Bailey's improvement over the year
I’d be surprised if they went DE. He may well be able to take Dorsey’s job sooner rather than later.
MNchiefsfan - January 18, 2012
I like Bailey a lot..
And he did improve. But I’m far from thinking he can start next year.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
By midseason I wouldn't put it past him
Depends on how fast that improvement continues. He’s already quite a bit better against the run then Gilberry, and quite a bit better rushing the passer than Dorsey…
MNchiefsfan - January 18, 2012
agreed
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
And if you recall...
AP was even more hyped on Gilberry at this time last year…
He has shown potential, but he has a ways to go. Also, sometimes guys that have limited snaps can look good for various reasons that they don’t with more time.
Again, I hope he develops into a star, but I’ll be really worried if he goes into the season as a starter. #2 is fine.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
Gilberry did the Chiefs a favor and himself a disservice.
If he keeps the weight off and is satisfied as a pass rushing specialist this year he probably racks up another 8 or so sack season and goes into free agency and signs a good contract with a 4-3 team. Now he has no free agency value and the Chiefs know all they have to do is take the weight off him.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
Agreed
I think Gilberry gets resigned. Short term, very team friendly deal.
7chiefs7 - January 18, 2012
Very true on Gilberry
The counterpoint is that even this time last year everyone knew Gilberry had a GLARING weakness against the run that we all hoped he’d address.
Bailey has no glaring weakness like that. But the point is taken.
MNchiefsfan - January 19, 2012
by kcsno56: Some of Bailey's apparent improvement may've been splash plays
against better matchups, for him. It’s one thing to be overpowering against the Packers, but maybe not so easy for him against numerous monster Gs in the league.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Yup, my thought as well
Also, the less he plays, the less tape there is on him, and less focus by opposing OL coaches.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
Looked like GB was a little slow to pick up on #97.
Then they started going after him with the draw and RAC instantly stuck Gordon and/or Dorsey inside in that nickel, IIRC. Bailey still got more snaps, but it wasn’t necessarily next to Gilberry.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
I'd keep him
Give Still time to develop and acclimate to Nfl OL strength, hardly any players are ready for double gapping straight out of college and Still is still rather raw.
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
I would be fine keeping him, would depend on what we could get for him
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
I don't like the idea of keeping him and him walking out for free next year.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
Accurate.
As there is little chance, imo that we can/should outbid 4-3 teams for his services.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
What would we get a 4th? Maybe?
He’s proven nothing in the nfl at either scheme implemented by nfl teams, I’d rather keep him then work with rookies starting all over again.
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
A fourth in our pocket now is better then maybe a 4th or 5th in a couple years for a comp pick
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
Not when you have rookies starting, or even Baey who's not ready
And could lose games because of it, people seriously over value draft picks.
What will Jalil Brown 2.0 do for us next year in place of a more then solid Glenn Dorsey?
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
You could make a strong argument that we would be fine with a rotation at that spot
Between Gordon and Bailey and the first rounder at that position(that is what this post is about) they would be enough to replace dorsey.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
Oh...if we go 1st rounder
We would be more than fine.
I do think we can use that pick more effectively, but it would depend on what kind of player they thought Still was. If they think he’s an impact 3-4 DE, and he’s there when we pick, then yeah, they should make the move.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
For 3-4 Brockers > Still
And it’s not even close.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
Probably so...
I wouldn’t say it’s not close, but I would agree.
In no way am I saying they’ll take Still…never have. Just saying that DL is a real possibility.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
Always is with Pioli it seems.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
Don't know about all that
Did Still play with an entire defensive line filled with NFL talent?
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
You could make the argument
But it doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny, Gordon is an unknown too and could not be back next year, bailey/rookie never have had a single snap in a base 3-4 KC package.
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
The #11 or #12 pick in the draft
You aren’t taking to be a bit player, even as a rookie.
They wouldn’t do it if they don’t think he can start…again, I’m not saying they will…but I’m sure the plan would be to lean on Still.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
I have a Still out back.
It delivers!
neiowakcfan - January 18, 2012
Only a bit player the first year
Hed probably start 3 downs after he learns the game, plus with the rookie payscale that sort of thinking is moot.
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
Has nothing to do with salary
Has everything to do with the number of team needs.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
Which wed have one In sub-packages with Gilberry leaving
Which we run as much as base packages so he wouldn’t really be a bit player.
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
If we don't trade back...
Our 1st round pick will be expected to play more than half the snaps.
1 of 3 of Pioli’s first round picks have started from the beginning, and that 1 punched a brick wall.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
Weird take.
Jax and Berry started their entire rookie seasons. 2nd season, not so much. Baldwin could hardly be considered the Day 1 starter they were hoping and expecting him to be.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Mine or his?
My point is simply that we will expect our 1st round pick at #11 to be a major contributor/starter. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
I agree with that.
I just didn’t read the original that way.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Maybe we'll get really really really lucky and Stanzi will show ridiculous development
And our depth chart goes 1) Stanzi 2) Cassel
Hey, I’m reaching here. Give me a break.
TRSChief - January 18, 2012
What if he's not the guy?
Second round is the biggest bust potential and you wanna spend a first on him? Weird.
In other news, I see that 66% of Canadians want to legalize pot.
neiowakcfan - January 18, 2012
Smart people up there
kcsno56 - January 18, 2012
Look at it this way.
Would you rather me smoke a big fat one and relax on the couch, or go out drinking and driving and run over or kill someone because of it. Everyone hates on pot when the fact is that people who drink kill more people every year, it’s not even close.
CPT.Caveman - January 18, 2012
Nothing against pot
but you can just as easily drink a sixer while relaxing on the couch as well, or smoke a big fat one then drive over someone on your way to the store to get more Funyans.
CapsLockKey - January 18, 2012
But when you're only driving 5 mph
they have a better chance of getting out of your way.
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
Good point
CapsLockKey - January 18, 2012
Unless they were smoking a big fat one and went out for a walk.
Drugs and alcohol aren’t the problem…people are the problem.
citadelchief - January 18, 2012
I wouldn't either
Just threw that name out because we’re talking first round and I think thats the only guy being talked about in the first round that we have a snowballs chance in hell at taking.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
Looks like Chiefs
would be spicing up the shower room scene.
In all seriuosness… This guy is a beast. BEAST.
SwimCoach - January 18, 2012
Not a NT
No thanks.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
NT
a real zero-tech nose would really be the rug that tied this defense together. Amon Gordon gave us some good snaps at that position this year, Gregg held his ground, Powe was inactive most games…
But I’m not a fan of just drafting a NT cause a great one would help a lot…I would hope that we would prefer OL if the NT option isn’t stellar. I don’t know a lot about the guy that Kiper picked but if he’s the bee’s-knee’s, I’d be fine with it. Otherwise, a RT could solidify an offense that has a lot of other pieces in place.
hornetchiefsfan - January 18, 2012
Still is a DE
I think Powe just might be a starter next year
if not, I could see Romeo bringing in another veteran DE/NT in FA
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
Rather get Luke Kuechly
or trade up for RG3.
Don’t think either of my wishes will happen this year. Who knows… I got my DJ wish and EB wish
SwimCoach - January 18, 2012
Kuechly would bea man without a position.
He’ll be a WILB only.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
agreed
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
I think DJ can play both spots
but I would rather have Hightower if ILB was the pick
KingChief - January 18, 2012
Hightower will have a mean case of the Rolando Virus.
He’s an Alabama ILB that looks great with one of the most dominant Dlines in college ball in front of him but just too slow and not technically sound enough to be worth picking that high.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
I'd prefer him as a value pick, not a mid-first rounder
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
If by value you mean 5th round then I agree.
He’s a poor mans brandon spikes.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
yikes
I was thinking round 2-3
same deal as Burfict
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
Hightower is slower and has worse tackling technique then McClain did.
Now Burfict in the late 2nd or 3rd round I’m all for. Alot don’t like him but I think we have the lockerroom and coaches to turn him into a player. Houston/Burfict/DJ/Hali would be the best LB core in football.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
I'd love to get Burfict with our 2nd round pick
BUT…there is no way in hell he’s getting past Baltimore. He is the perfect succesor for Ray Lewis.
JC25FoMVP - January 18, 2012 via mobile
This is what I'm thinking
I hope we draft back to right before Pitt or Balt and take Burfict. I would love to watch him lay wood. And with Houston/Burfict/DJ/Hali in front of Flowers/Berry/Lewis/Carr…yikes.
7chiefs7 - January 18, 2012
Trade back*
7chiefs7 - January 18, 2012
Way faster then Brandon spikes
Sorry
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
Sure DJ can play both spots
But DJ the WILB is an All-Pro and DJ the SILB isn’t going to be.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
Devon Still looks like a beast
I’d love the pick if we were able to trade Dorsey for a reasonably high pick.
I’d say it’s surprising, but I’d also seen rumors that Pioli tried to trade up for Aldon Smith (which would have been a great move).
jmcgoblue - January 18, 2012
why a dt
There are dt to be had in free agency hell I rather ilb if they go defense but ot or ilb would be ok with me but no dlinemen I would go ilb in the first round and grab a bonofied dt in fa sign carr and bowe and Orton and fill the draft with right tackle and de safety and tightend filled in the draft no particular order then you kick some ass next year!
rickrock58 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
firgot
To add mclain richardson for ot depth and noone else with 37 mill under cap its there pioli don’t foul it up
rickrock58 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
QB
craig in calgary - January 18, 2012
.....will be drafted by Indy and Cleveland
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
Offense.
I’m 100% convinced this SHOULD be the area the pick is spent on. Ideally I’d like to see a trade up for Griffin, but understand if that doesn’t happen.
After that I’d go with Trent Richardson if he’s available. After that I guess OL. My thing is that good OL help can be had later in the draft of via free agency. Need to target a playmaker for the offense.
Tomahawk29 - January 18, 2012
We've got plenty of playmakers if we keep Bowe
JC, Dex, Breaston, Bowe, Baldwin, Moeaki… that’s more than enough.
Time to upgrade on a line that didn’t do very well.
MNchiefsfan - January 18, 2012
and this ^^^
upamtn - January 18, 2012
Again,
My problem with that is that we’d be using a top 12 pick on a RT. We can get RT help through FA or in a later round. Our pick would be much better used if we went towards QB or RB. If we can’t get either of those I don’t really care. Although a badass ILB or DE would be tempting.
Tomahawk29 - January 18, 2012
How is RB a better use for a first rounder then a RT?
RBs can be found in late rounds or even undrafted and if you’re line is dominant it doesn’t matter who the RB is. Why would we waste a first rounder on a position that has a 5-6 year shelf life?
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
bah your*
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
Looking at the talent at RT this year
Especially at 11/12… Rather take a RB.
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
Agree on OT (provisionally, until I get some eye time on the prospects).
The scouting reports don’t sound like 1st-round talent at OT, although I’m sure some teams will bite. But I’m not with you on 1st-round RB, CWP.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
I'm thinking pretty much explicitly about Trent Richardson
The dude is an absolute animal. He’s one of the rare talents in the draft and should be much more than your average RB. The devaluation of RBs over the last few years might cause him to fall, so it’s not crazy to think he might slip to us at 11/12.
Tomahawk29 - January 18, 2012
I hear you. The same things have been said about beastly RBs, even ones with Heismans to show.
Guys who went on to mediocrity or early ends to their career, because they were gettin’ hammered by d-linemen in the NFL on every play, which didn’t happen to them on their college teams. I’d be very suspicious of a RB from the Alabama system. Nothing wrong with the system; rather, there is too much RIGHT with the system – too much that likely will NOT be right against NFL competition, especially with a middle-tier O-Line.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Because cassells our qb
chief913-816 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
If we're picking a DT/DE to replace Dorsey(who would then need to be traded) then Id rather it be Brockers.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
I think he's a good possibility.
At this point, I’m interested in hearing every guy of high value at every position. You never know who might slip, or what position(s) at which there might be an early run. I’d rather get up into the cream of whatever position group, and not be a lemming, forced to reach 2nd-best at a particular position, in case there’s a run at that position. Another angle is those position groups that are deep causing me to reach at another position, early, if the player’s elite, even if he’s not considered value at that point by conventional thinking, for instance, it’s not impossible that Richardson would be good value, if he’s a once-every-10-years kind of guy. Watching him playing against LSU, I’m pretty sure he is NOT that once-in-10-years guy who’s head and shoulders above the rest. From what I could see, it appeared that ‘Bama judged him as a not-all-around RB. A great runner, but not all-around, and you need all-around more than great runner in the NFL, where you take what’s given, when it’s given.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
but if we're going for 1-2 punch with JC?
Seems like “all-around” might be overkill.
OTOH, I like complete players over great-at-one-thing guys. Usually.
Shanghai_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
'Bama didn't think they could run at LSU, and chose to go with the other back.
I concluded they didn’t think T-Rich was all that versatile.
And you want your RB to telegraph as little as possible. LJ was a great power runner, but not a complete player. Even after he “worked on his pass protections,” he was still a liability in the passing game, because there was zero pick-and-roll in his game. Nobody was afraid they were gonna get LJ in space on a screen. Defenses could collapse to a smaller number of real threats. Folks noticed the YPC, but I mainly noticed how defenses had little trouble parsing the offense with LJ, once Willie Roaf and Jon Tait were gone.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
fair enough
just playing along really. pretty much against an RB in 1st round. Starts in the trenches and since we’re most likely not trading up for QB, then we need to get QB7 as much protection as possible so he can play with all the toys like killerBs, TMo, JC, and hopefully McClain (give this man the ball!).
this could be the most interesting draft in many many years for our Chiefs.
Shanghai_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
Hey off topic
some guy named Rob Lowe is saying Peyton Manning will retire.
bossmanham - January 18, 2012
really? wow, who knew!
other than the other 10 comments on that above …
upamtn - January 18, 2012
Aww.
missed em…
bossmanham - January 18, 2012
Huh.
You don’t say?
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
I know I know.
Late to the party
bossmanham - January 18, 2012
no worries, plenty of chips n dip left
upamtn - January 18, 2012
Mmmm..Manning neck dip..
bossmanham - January 18, 2012
Wasn't that dip bright green when we started? Now it's lookin' kinda brownish. Think I'd steer clear.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
That was so 27 seconds ago:P
CPT.Caveman - January 18, 2012
Those're good commercials.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Most importantly.
Mel looks like The Count from Seasame Street.
sayten - January 18, 2012
"1st pick, ah ah ah"
“2nd pick, ah ah ah”
Tomahawk29 - January 18, 2012
Would be fine with it
You don’t have a good defense by ignoring good prospects, you think the Giants got where they are by waiting till later? I’m sure they’re loving letting Jason Pierre-Paul sit and develop as they ride his and the other DLs coattails to the NFC Championship, maybe even the SB.
He might even make it at NT, you never know, slated for DE/nickel rusher but he’s got good sIze for the position 6-4 310, and I know josh chapman, THE NT in this draft, is at like 310.
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
Still
Still is certainly a great player but would be a better fit in a 4-3 system. The Chiefs defense is close to becoming elite and getting a dominate NT would help move them to that status but I don’t feel Still is the right guy. In my opinion the better 3-4 NTs in the draft are Donteri Poe – Memphis, Jerel Worthy – Michigan St, and Alameda Ta’amu – Washington. All may fall to the 2nd round. So taking Still at pick 11 – 12 would certainly not be the thing to do. I believe if the chiefs aren’t willing to trade up to get RGIII then it would be in their best interest to trade down, if they stay at their current pick then drafting a OT makes then most since as long as Reiff or Martin are still there.
Rollo80 - January 18, 2012
I like Ta'amu as a value pick in the 2nd-ish
but, he’s not a pure NT, either… he’s more of a Shaun Rogers-type DE/NT… which would be fine for a non-1st round pick, IMHO
stagdsp - January 18, 2012
Which is why we wanted to sign Rodgers a NT last offseason right?
Ta’amu is terrible I’d draft him in the 3rd or 4th maybe because he didn’t get good coaching.
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
Seems like I read about him falling a little short against top competition, the likes of which he'll face every week in the NFL.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Heh
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
bazinga
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
Offense needs help from coaching...
I’m not sure whether a DT would be the best pick as a #1, but if the dude was good, it sure wouldn’t hurt. Let’s face it, Gregg isn’t going to be there long, and we need some GOOD depth. I think the offensive issues are going to be helped LOTS if we can get a OC that brings some creativity and stability. I’d like to see Zorn get the job. He has experience, and he has an established working relationship with Cassel.
mtarrowhead - January 18, 2012
I think if RAC got a 3rd DT of Still's abilities, the definition of NT would get blurry.
I think Dorsey and Jackson are both guys you could move around in the base 3-4, if the 3rd guy were of the same caliber. Just adding Amon Gordon showed that RAC is ready, willing and able to think outside the box. The cool thing about it is he doesn’t have to change much, other than his emphasis, within what he already has his bigs doing.
They could run a D that looked a lot like the Derrick Thomas days, only with two or three guys (Hali, Houston, Johnson) capable of playing the pirate. A trio of tall, DT/DE ‘tweeners plus a pair of big OLBs, and your 4-combos out of those 5 are as big as the best d-fronts of Marty’s days, and actually BIGGER than some of those later Marty-era front 4s (Allen at 269, and Hali trying to get bigger than he’s built for, trying to top out close to 300, but just not up to it).
Watching the Giants do what they’re doing, with a tradition and continuing commitment to D-Line, you realize that they’re in it, defensively, no matter how many holes they appear to have in their secondary. The Chiefs now have something pretty good, but they could still get better on their front 5, and if they do, it’s going to make their journeyman LBs and DBs GOOD and their GOOD LBs and DBs GREAT. Belcher was the same in 2011, but about twice as good in 2011. DJ was the same in 2011, but he was about thrice as good in 2011.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
I agree with this
Saying we have a chance to be an upper echelon defense in this league if we hit a home run in the draft at the NT position, but I don’t think this is as a big of a need than RT…I think we should address NT in the draft but what are we gonna do with Powe? Are we ever gonna play him?
kc_Chiefs_31 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
This is a reason why I like when rookies get a lot of playing time
You can go into the following years draft with some insight on them.. carr,flowers,moeaki are good examples of this..Makes me wonder what Powe and Stanzi could have done this year with more/any playing time. Might have us going into this draft with a different outlook
TheScreenName - January 18, 2012 via mobile
But Pioli has an idea of Stanzi and Powe and Hudson too
If he drafts that spot again we know what his decision was.
I still would prefer a vet QB to compete with Cassel and let Stanzi be that guy if we flame out early next year or the designated QB Cassel gets killed or likes like road kill
Steve_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
I dunno. I think there's also some "protect yourself" stuff that rookies need to learn, but might not pick up right away.
Maybe he’s an instant improvement, but needs some schooling on how to keep himself out of trouble, physically. Part of what folks didn’t like about T-Jax as a rookie looked to me like a young, very talented lineman, who was playing to protect his knees and Pioli’s investment. That was a nasty surprise in 2010, but it wasn’t catastrophic, like Berry’s injury in 2011. And if Jackson played to protect his knees in 2009, the Chiefs really played to keep him out of bad situations when he came back at the end of 2010 (straight-ahead, short yardage).
FWIW, watching his limited return in 2010, it struck me that Jackson is the most powerful straight-ahead guy on the team. I still spin fantasies about a front 3 centered on the #3 pick.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
I like it
Considering 3 out of 4 teams left in playoffs have a better defense then they have offense( with maybe giants being an exception). If we can get solid play at NT there is no stopping our defense next year.
With that being said, i wouldnt mind beefing up the o- line either.. Any pick in these areas would help out regardless
TheScreenName - January 18, 2012 via mobile
New England
Offense is definately better than defense there. But I did enjoy hearing about how the era of “Defense wins championships” was over by all the commentators last week, because the Saints, Packers and Pats all had very low ranked Ds.
2 down, one to go. (Unfortunately, I don’t think the Ravens can score enough points to beat Brady.)
UNIPanther - January 18, 2012
yea i know
I said 3 out of 4 ,meaning giants,ninets,ravens,
TheScreenName - January 18, 2012 via mobile
I think the Ravens can win.
They’re gonna have to run the ball and limit possessions, but New England is vulnerable. Remember, they got TWO BYES into the AFC Championship game thanks to Pittsburgh.
neiowakcfan - January 18, 2012
Yes. And NY got their D-Line healthy at the right time, and they're pretty good.
But I don’t think sending 4 against Brady is the same as sending 4 against Rogers, with the way his standard shitty pass-protecting NFC North O-Line performed. It’s easy to think that NY’s front 4 are invincible after facing the Packers. What suprises me is how GB managed the win streak in the first place, and not that the Chiefs, with a good game plan and the Packers without Jennings, pulled off the upset.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Mel Kiper gets insane money
for almost never being right. I think he’s a frustrated weatherman.
neiowakcfan - January 18, 2012
mayock > kiper
TheScreenName - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Mayock>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kiper
Ftfy
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
I've been saying the same thing
He had us taking Favre in 91..guess he was wrong on that too.
kc_Chiefs_31 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
RG3...am I crazy?
I usually grow tired very quickly of fans who pick their favorite college play-maker and then insist that the chiefs should go get him, regardless of need, scheme, and deficiencies at other positions.
Yet, I feel myself really wanting the Chiefs to trade-up to get RG3. Am I nuts? Just tell me if I am, but this kid seems like a complete badass who would fit well in our offense.
http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/draft_point_value_chart.htm
So here’s the scenario:
I’m going to assume that he’ll fall to 4 as the Rams won’t give-up on Bradford and the Vikings won’t give-up on Ponder.
We would have to trade, according to the value chart above, our 12th pick (assuming we lose the flip), our second-round pick, and an our third-round pick, although I think we would mix-in some picks from next years draft. That’s a fortune, but here’s why it might make sense (assuming my sanity for just a moment)…
Cassel isnt’ working-out. His best moments have been paired with inconsistency in most games. He has trouble routinely check-down to 3rd and 4th options as he locks-on way too much, and his accuracy mediocre. I’m not an avid hater — I think the offense could do satisfactorially with him at the helm next season — but he’s not going to be the overwhelming reason why we win if we do. A 2012 playoff chiefs team that has Cassel at the helm will win because of its defense and JC playmaking/ball-control on offense, not Cassel torching defenses.
RG3 might just be the truth. I like his maturity and attitude more than anything else. Already has his masters, nearly gave the bird to the NFL so he could go to law-school, super-brainy, very mature, family-oriented kid. His athleticism is terrific as well as his accuracy. Understands and embodies the difference between arrogance and confidence. I don’t think that anyone who has seen more than 2 minutes of interview with this dude can make the case that he’ll have trouble understanding NFL playbooks.
Furthermore, RG3 may be the key to unlocking a lot of talent we have on offense:
1. Our o-line is very quick and athletic — what they lack in raw-strength (and they lack a lot of that), they make-up for in shiftiness and agility. The potential to consistently move the pocket and create a lot of lateral play-action in the backfield with JC would weaponize the OL’s agility for the QB’s feet as well as the draws and funky-pulling plays we use to create space for JC. Cassel has some mobility but not big-12-champion-hurdles mobility. I think back to when the Falcons had Vick and Warrick Dunn — a fake stretch play would result in the defense, for a .2 seconds, not knowing where the ball was yet having to account for a HB with elite speed running left and a QB with elite speed running right. Very hard to defend.
2. We have a lot of playmaking available at WR — much of it is lost on the failure of the coaching staff/QB to produce synergy between the weapons we have. Bowe and to a far lesser extend Baldwin are big, physical guys who can penalize single-coverage. Breaston and to a lessor extent McCluster have speed and playmaking ability. With those 4 guys on the field, a secondary is hard-pressed to match-up talent-wise, but for some reason its not coming together. It may likely be the case that that is a coaching, not a QB’ing, issue, but a dynamic player at QB that forces defenses to account for his running ability may unlock a lot of that potential talent at WR. Plus a QB with more accuracy and field-awareness could help.
3. Our defense is better in its nickle package than its base — we have fixed this in part with Gordon and Gregg, but for the most part, our defense is better when whichever make-shift NT we have is on the sideline and Arenas is in the game. Thus, playing with a lead tightens the noose around the opposing offense’s neck. Our defense is going to be good next year but playing with a lead will make it much better. I know, I know, every defense is better with a lead but I think this is uniquely true for the chiefs given our personnel, specifically our secondary.
Obviously, the costs of getting RG3 would be tremendous:
1. We still have to pay Cassel — the rookie wage scale may make employing both somewhat easier to stomach but its still bad for fiscal efficiency. (though I’m not sure what the nature of Cassel’s contract is, I’ve heard conflicting reports — what would we owe him if we cut him tomorrow???)
2. It is at least 3, if not 4 picks for 1 — This would be the Julio Jones move of this year. (Though notwithstanding a couple of hamstring set-backs, I think the Falcons have been vindicated for that decision). We still have a lot of other needs. Although, I don’t think they are nearly as numerous as they used to be. We have a predominantly young and talented team, if there ever was a time to sacrifice player quantity for quality, this could be it.
3. the browns may just tell us no — if he’s such a hot commodity, we may just not be able to pry the brown’s hands off of that 4th pick which either means (a) this is all academic or (b) we’d have to move-up to #3 to get him which is more like 5 picks for 1 guy.
Anyway, tell me I’m nuts and — if you have a second — tell me why.
hornetchiefsfan - January 18, 2012
FanPost
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
yeah, sorry about that
didn’t plan on it getting that long
hornetchiefsfan - January 18, 2012
Agree
Should be a Fan post
Steve_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
I don't care, if it's good reading. Beats the other extreme by a mile.
And fits well in this discussion. Perfect com, AFAIC, although I disagree on some minor points.
I’m against the trade-up, but a very good case can be made for a QB that can function behind what they’re building. Myself, I want them to keep building and THEN place a QB on top, if none of the guys they have or pick in the next year or two can step up. Trading up for a QB is something I’d do if nothing else had worked for me, and I’d save up picks and future considerations for such a move, the same as I’d save up money for a down payment on a house. I don’t think you want to strip the cupboard bare before bringing in a guy like RG III. Part of the respect you show for a talent such as his is creating a great situation for him to succeed. Thing is, a lot of the time, when you work on creating the situation, your smart, mid-round QB picks tend to develop into something special.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
You're crazy.
GenericBrand - January 18, 2012
Not nuts
But just don’t think the chiefs have the GM willing to do whatever it takes to get him.
Rollo80 - January 18, 2012
NOthing matters unless we get the QB OTF...
Who cares what else we do? Cassel can’t keep up with the likes of Drew Brees or Rodgers or Brady. We couldn’t even beat the soggy Baltimore Ravens offense in our own house during the playoffs….preposterous.
Hunt went out and got a G.M. as cheap as he is.
krayfish - January 18, 2012
I thought Matt Cassel was the equivalent to Alex Smith
And he won a great playoff game…Is Alex Smith REALLY better than Matt Cassel? I think the question is “Can you really win games with just a game manager?” Alex Smith didn’t have a great season this season, he just didn’t turn the ball over, just like 2010 Matt Cassel. He didn’t single handedly kill the saints with his arm..he just threw less int’s than Drew Brees.. Can we realistically make a run with Matt Cassel under center?
kc_Chiefs_31 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Let's not forget
Alex Smith was a #1 overall pick. The guy was obviously seen as having huge potential at one time. Just took him 7 years of sucking to finally get some of it. Matt Cassel, not so much.
CapsLockKey - January 18, 2012
Yeah, and Tom Brady was the 199th pick.
At one time he was seen as having very little potential. At some point the product on the field has to define the player, not where they were drafted. And Alex Smith has been an average QB his entire career. Smith should have been lower in the draft, based on actual NFL production, and guys like Brady and Montana should have been higher. It’s all a crap shoot.
Tomahawk29 - January 18, 2012
Hey I'm no Alex Smith fan
..and the 49ers haven’t exactly won the Lombardi yet. It was one game. Personally I think the Giants are going to win. They have a defense AND a QB.
Could the Chiefs win a playoff game with Cassel? Yeah, I think they could. A Superbowl on the other hand I have a hard time seeing.
CapsLockKey - January 18, 2012
agreed
Giants are going to put a beatdown on the Pats… they can rush the passer and their offense is going to shred the pathetic Pats secondary. It’ll be just like that year bthe Giants stopped the unbeatable Pats from getting another SB. I guess Tom Coughlin not a washed-up old fool as many people were calling him years ago…. all assuming Giants can get past the 49ers who have an awesome defense (usually).
Nicoloco - January 18, 2012
I think Harbaugh is an awesome QB guru
should make some leary of Andrew Luck IMO
Steve_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
with the exception of Brady, Warner, and Montana
I can’t think of a stud qb that wasn’t drafted in the1st. I’m sure someone will come up with one but, qbs rarely just fall out of the sky like that
tomachop - January 18, 2012
Considering how over-picked QBs are in the 1st, it's no wonder that most of the big names are 1st-rounders.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
agree
you either pull the trigger or don’t on a guy, I’m not for selling the farm to get one though this year. Just saying that starting qbs are hard to find in the later rounds
tomachop - January 18, 2012
That's like saying there aren't any good mushrooms in a Seattle native's back yard, simply
because nobody goes ‘shroomin’ there. Thing is, there’re lots more yards that aren’t occupied by a pack of half-wild German shepherds. Heh.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Okay let's say Alex Smith finally turned into the QB they thought he would be in the draft
Statistically Matt Cassel is the same guy right now.. But Matt has his problems, like reading the entire field and making the cool throw under pressure. When I say “They’re coachable” that doesn’t mean I’m disposing these problems and I’m acting like they’re not that important, I’m saying those problems are not saying it’s time to move on from him. It would be time to can him if his decision making sucked or he simply can’t pass it. I’m sure he knows he doesn’t read the field..I’m sure he knows he gives up on some plays (I saw him trying to improve on that this year).. And I’m sure the coaches are aware of Matt’s shortcomings.. He just has to do better applying his coaching to the field, that’s difficult for a lot of people…I think we give Matt one more year to get this straight, then we move on. I honesty think we already have the QB of the future on our team in Stanzi but that’s debatable.
kc_Chiefs_31 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Meant to say "they're coachable" after first listing his problems
kc_Chiefs_31 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
It's as simple as this
The 49ers address their o-line and in doing so give Gore a good line to run behind and gives A.Smith time in the pocket. The 49ers are showing us the way, fix the o-line for your good running game and a Game manager QB can win play-off games. M.Cassel is no different and the Chiefs have the chance this year to make a great offensive line.
CPT.Caveman - January 18, 2012
I agree
The niner’s controlled that game on both lines, offensive and defensive. All I kept realizing was how smaller the saints o-line was than the niner’s d-line.. It starts on the lines of both sides of the ball and Scott pioli knows this, I heard him say it one time in the offseason..wish I could find the clip and link it.
kc_Chiefs_31 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Nah. It just SEEMS like Justin Smith's bigger than everybody. I think he's around 280, is all.
To a great extent, I think Harbaugh’s enjoying the pay-off from Singletary’s O-Line moves. He had the right idea, in general, with those OL picks, but the expectations were WAY overinflated, and he singled-out Alex Smith, when he should’ve been pumping-up his young OL, keeping things simple for them, and running the ball a lot, and throwing sparingly off the run action.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Yeah the 49ers have alot of talent.
I think they have a coach who they like to play hard for, all 4 quarters they bring it. They’ve picked some good o-line guys and they wear teams down on both sides of the ball, that’s the type of football I enjoy watching the most. The 49ERS just need a WR like Bowe, it would help their offense out, their just a few more pieces away from being a damn good team. Next year look out that’s one of the top teams in the league, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see them in the S.B this year. I hope they win it, to be honest.
CPT.Caveman - January 18, 2012
What about starting Stanzi and drafting O-line.
Then if Stanzi sucks we can draft Barkley next year, if he doesn’t we have our QB and a improved o-line.
CPT.Caveman - January 18, 2012
Hmmm...
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
First Comment Post
I just wanted to say, I love this website. I get more info and insight from the posts and comments then any other website. Glad to be part of the Nation. Hopefully I contribute.
ChiefNoles - January 18, 2012
Welcome!
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
Welcome to AP!
Bleedingredandgold - January 18, 2012
Welcome Noles!
Steve_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
Welcome
78Chief - January 18, 2012
Paul Soliai is a Free Agent
Pull the trigger come March
JC25FoMVP - January 18, 2012 via mobile
I bet we make a run.
Wonder if RAC as HC gives us an edge with the big men…
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
I want the Chiefs to draft
Chase Minnifield CB from Virginia. People are saying there are others beter, but I like him the best! Look up his youtube game film and tell me if I am wrong. I would not be mad at still, listen to his interviews, he is ultra competitive and he is hell on the D-Line. I only say those two because I don’t think there will be a OT left when we draft.
Joel Thomas Vazquez - January 18, 2012
Oh but if I was the GM
I would trade down and get more picks
Joel Thomas Vazquez - January 18, 2012
Minnifield figures prominently in the trade-down scenario, at least in MY book.
An extra 2nd-rounder up high and BLAMMO!
I just wonder how much competition there will be for OTs in the 2nd and 3rd. It’s conceivable that those with great need are going to jump early and then there be a real lull in the position group.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Honestly
I think someone is going to trade up to get a good wideout (Jefferies,Floyd) or if he is there, Trent Richardson. If I am the Chiefs GM, I take the trade down. I really like Minninfield in the first. I also like David DeCastro and Melvin Ingram, but of the 3 I would have to go with an immediate need.
Joel Thomas Vazquez - January 19, 2012
In my eyes the biggest area of improvements are:
1. OT
2. CB ( I say let Carr walk: I never thought he was any good)
3. TE ( We all suffered enough without Moeaki)
4. WR
Joel Thomas Vazquez - January 19, 2012
Other than injuries, there was only 1 problem with the offense
and that problem is (drum roll please….) BILL MUIR! I agree with taking a guy like Still, we can still get 1 or 2 instant starters on the O-Line in rounds 2 and/or 3
werewolf_1979 - January 18, 2012
I'd throw Cassel under that bus too.
And I will probably be doing the same thing one year from now as well…
7chiefs7 - January 18, 2012
I hate Cassel
but we may be stuck with him. I’d rather just cut his ass and get Orton to sign and be stuck with him for a year because we will get more victories with him at QB. We need OL picks badly at RT (Richardson should not be starting on any team) and OG/OC. However, RTs and guards rarely go that high so trading down is likely. However, if the plan is for Albert to be moved or not resigned in the near future, it would make sense to draft one of the stud LTs and groom him behind Albert or starting on the right side (we need a real starter here). However, old draft rules about where positions are picked may change this year because of the new CBA and rookie-contract rules so it’ll be fascinating to watch. I think Trent Richardson could fall a ways and he’d be an intriguing choice if we can for sure upgrade our OL first through free agency or wheeling and dealing in the draft. I need to read his scouting report because LJ’s another back we got who fell far in the draft and I’d be willing to take that one back if we had a time machine. behind that OL, we could’ve had a lot of RB possibilities (one of my favorite players of all-time was Priest – I’d never take back that acquisition… just loved watching him play chess behind that OL.)
Nicoloco - January 18, 2012
Ha!
Tarkus - January 18, 2012
why does everyone like carr so much?
Carr is slow and gets beat deep. Same with flowers. How many times gas he gotton roasted a ton. Id take Kirkpatrick over any corner in our team in a heartbeat.
Brendon - January 18, 2012 via mobile
did you watch the Chiefs
this year? Good God, man, look where our secondary was ranked. You may be thinking of previous years. How RAC held that secondary together without Berry and with our backups is a secret I would really like to understand.
Nicoloco - January 18, 2012
If you can man-up 1vs.1
against the Green Bay Packers and win,.. then you’ve got some talent @thecb pos.
tomachop - January 18, 2012
Kirkpatrick weighs 180 lbs
can he drag down Megatron? Bowe? all those huge WR’s in the league today
Steve_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
He'd get good practice against Baldwin
And (hopefully) bowe too, and we know he can pack on more pounds because of the munchies
ChiefWarPaint - January 18, 2012
Minnifield might be better value in the 2nd than Dre is in the 1st.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
Don't know about all that
Dre could probably play every position in the 2ndary conceivably and that’s pretty rare as a prospect, and he’s got quentin Jammers physique with nnamdi’s long arms and good technique.
He’s also the best tackler in the class so I don’t know what Steves worried about.
ChiefWarPaint - January 19, 2012
Dre getting dragged down the football field?
Steve_Chiefs - January 19, 2012
I guess best tackler didn't get through
ChiefWarPaint - January 19, 2012
how did our great defense fair against
New england? Did flowers at 180unblocking tackle megaton? No let alone cover him. Greenbay has a awful o line. We aren’t as good as u ppl think.
Brendon - January 19, 2012 via mobile
The defense played great against NE
Maybe you didn’t watch the game. Held them down the entire 1st half.
There is only so much you can do against a great O, when your own O can’t stay on the field…
kcsno56 - January 19, 2012
Have you watched Kirkpatrick
He is susceptible at getting beat deep too and I don’t think he is that great in pass coverage its just he is 6-3 180 pounds and has great upside which is why he is considered so high. If everyone went off game film he would be a late first round pick.
michigan13 - January 18, 2012
Carr's been solid when he manned-up. The cracks in the secondary occur when the corners hand off their guy to their deep help.
Carr can play that inside leverage and contest the go route down the sideline against anybody. Flowers can play inside leverage and contest the go route against, well, most WRs, but not all. When they’re playing outside leverage, though, and let their guys go across the middle, there’s always a seam that they can’t close up from behind by the time their help arrives. You can leave Carr in inside leverage any time you want, though.
To MY eye, Carr has rounded out his game, and is at least close to elite. Love Flowers, but I think Carr has quietly surpassed the LCB.
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
I read a story earlier.
Kirkpatrick got arrested for possession of marijuana. Maybe same thing happens as last year with houston. His value goes way down and we get a steal in the 2nd or 3rd. Cant never have enough db help, especially if carr is able to leave.
ChiefsfaninCO - January 18, 2012
imagine how much weed
he could have gotten if he was a 1st rounder…. shame.
SwimCoach - January 18, 2012
It is a shame
This kids have the brightest futures and chance to be well taken care of and they throw it away. But his mistake is gonna benefit some team. He is gonna slide down boards and someone is gonna get a top 15 talent late.
ChiefsfaninCO - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Hi everybody. First comment!
Chiefshero - January 18, 2012
:)
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Steve_Chiefs - January 18, 2012
I like Fletcher Cox better
I think he will be a better fit for us at 3-4 end.
michigan13 - January 18, 2012
Now there's a good possibility for a 2nd-round pick!
How would you feel about him if the Chiefs traded down into the 20s in the 1st?
hmills110 - January 18, 2012
My stupid guess
My personal stupid guess is that, with today’s offenses, the team with an upper tier dominating defense will be most likely to get deep into the playoffs. And with a 3-4 scheme, you had better have a REALLY STRONG 3. That is why I agree with DT, and I think Crennel, being a defensive guy, will push hard for a team built around a dominating defense. It also makes sense while we see no dominating QB in sight. There are also some unknown young guys on OL who could very well emerge. Mims might be that wildcard as others have suggested. This is the reason I agree with Kiper.
This all assumes we are able to retain our own critically important FA’s.
Bilyous - January 19, 2012
Ok Here is my draft.
It is not a bullshit draft where I make up a bunch of stuff, but a serious well thought out draft based on where the chiefs are picking and the talent available.
1. Chase Minnifield CB Virginia- He is a corner that can do it all. You can line him up in the slot, you can blitz him,
he can play bump and run and he can play zone coverage. I think drafting a corner like Minnifield will make Chief fan’s forget all about
Brandon Carr.
2. Mike Adams OT Ohio State- I am a huge supporter for replacing Barry Richardson, but I am not a fan of Johnathan Martin (Stanford) or Riley Reiff (Iowa) for 3 reasons. Both Martin and Rieff are under 305 lbs, both are LT, and neither of them have played RT. Out of all of the Tackles in this years draft class, I think Mike Adams is the perfect fit for the Chiefs at RT. And besides, I doubt Martin or Reiff will be there when the Chiefs pick.
3. Coby Fleener TE Stanford- The Chiefs need another TE. Leonard Pope and Anthony Becht should never see the field again. With that that being said, I went with Fleener because of his play making ability and size. He could be next years version of Gronkowski, and with a healthy Tony Moeaki, his addition makes the Chiefs offense scary.
4a. Nigel Bradham ILB Florida State- I like Javon Belcher, I think he is a good LB, but I think he could use a little competition to elevate his play. Nigel Bradham is a smart LB with excellent field vision. He could easily come in and win the back up roll at either ILB positions, or beatout Belcher for the starting job.
4b. Dan Herron RB Ohio State- I think he could be the everydown back the Chiefs need to be successfull. On top of that he has very soft hands and he never goes down after the first hit. The only reason I picked him second in this round is because I doubt he will be here when we pick.
5a. Joe Adams WR Arkansas- This guy is a playmaker and a straight up burner. He is also is a dangerous return man as made evident by him winning
the SEC special teams player of the year award. With him on the Chiefs offense, the sky is the limit.
5b. Jerry Franklin ILB Arkansas- See Nigel Bradham ILB Florida State.
(In a perfect world, I would pick Herron in the 4th, and Franklin in the 5th, but I doubt that is going to happen.)
6. Josh Oglesby OT Wisconsin- I would not be surprised if the Chiefs Double dip at OT to creat a strong competition for the starting role. Oglesby is big, fast, and one of the reasons Montee Ball was so successful running the ball at Wisconsin.
7. Marvin Jones WR California- I think some new blood in the WR corps will not hurt. It is time to see some new and potentially improved faces at the position.
7. Dajohn Harris DT USC- The Chiefs defense is a few steps away from being an immovable object. If we could land a DT like Harris and add 5-9 lbs
of weight to his 6 foot 4 inch frame, we could groom our starting nose tackle of the future.
Joel Thomas Vazquez - January 19, 2012
Still could play DE and add some pass rush on 3rd downs.
He could replace Tyson Jackson and make our defence solid. Shift to DT at times.
Mustang fever - January 19, 2012
Those of you that want a QB in the 1st
Just wait till the second or maybe the third round and pick Brandon Weedon. He beat both RGIII and Andrew Luck this season. If you are wondering about his skills google up some senior bowl practice reports and you will see that the folks at the senior bowl say he is obviously the #3 QB in this draft.
Good size, unbelievable arm, great leader… and very mature…. like older than Aaron Rogers mature but hey, how many QB’s have given us more that 6-7 good years anyway.
okierock - January 27, 2012
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