Arrowhead Pride

No thanks

We have a greater need than RB

'Ten Nard-Farage - January 19, 2012 reply

I was literally

Just watching highlights and reading up on him. He seems like what we pictured Thomas Jones being for us, but younger and stronger (present day). I’d be fine, no, i’d be extremely happy with this pick. Jamaal, Richardson, McCluster would be a backfield you couldn’t mess with.

Anyone think Jamaal Charles...

Would hold out for a new contract if we drafted him?

I’m just curious. A first round RB that high would be bound to the new rookie wage scale, and honestly, I’m not sure how much that would net him…But JC busted his ass to get his contract, and it’s a very team friendly deal. If we were to take Trent, would Jamaal want more money?

Just thinking outloud.

KCTigerChief - January 19, 2012 reply

No.

He just signed a new contract, then missed a year due to injury. Exactly why would he be holding out?

fair enough...

Maybe he just feels his contract wasn’t enough when a rookie is coming in making what the rook will make.

Again, I just thinking outloud. If JC comes back and performs like he did the past couple years before his injury, he may WANT more money…And to be honest, he’d probably deserve it (at least, he would have when he got extended last year)

KCTigerChief - January 19, 2012 reply

Charles holding out right after we draft a RB #1 would be a bad strategic move....

Especially coming off the IR.

He would have zero leverage.

Touche.

I agree with you. Just something I thought about reading the article.

KCTigerChief - January 19, 2012 reply

Charles has too much class. He isn't a CJ.

Helmets - January 19, 2012 reply

The fuck does class have to do with getting paid what you're due?

HIV 2 Elway - January 19, 2012 reply

How many millions did Charles just get paid for lying in a hospital bed all year?

Also, if he didn’t think he was being paid his due then he shouldn’t have signed the contract now, should he have?

sea_people - January 19, 2012 reply

Draft best talent

Never reach for need!

Trent Richardson would help us win games and put points on the board.

He would be more valuable than an OLinemen we reach for.

Talent > Need

Matt_Grbac - January 19, 2012 via mobile reply

DeCastro wouldn't be a reach

and he’s a fantastic talent at his position

stagdsp - January 19, 2012 reply

He is a guard projected as a top 15 talent

That is rare enough as it is. Decastro could help make a less talented and cheaper back just as productive in the NFL as Richardson might be

RememberDelaney37 - January 19, 2012 via mobile reply

And for a lot longer.

Not that I’m necessarily on his bandwagon, but between the two….

I agree...

If we didnt have a guy like Charles and were going into next year with Jones and Battle then it might be different but with the team right now, DeCastro would improve the team much more.

This

Sure up the line and plug in any late round back

HIV 2 Elway - January 19, 2012 via mobile reply

This+1

GenericBrand - January 19, 2012 reply

I see your 1

and raise you 2.

SCKSChief - January 19, 2012 reply

I agree....

And you mean SHORE up the line

Chiefs!NavyGuy - January 19, 2012 via mobile reply

Yep

We can’t/won’t go qb this year so let’s go beef.

TheScootness - January 19, 2012 reply

Top 10 actually :-)

He is a guard projected as a top 15 talent

If he's that good...

And we need help on the Oline. Just sayin’

yesh! (as upamtn would say, according to Bsrkr)

As others have said,

A good RB isn’t so hard to find as top 15 Oline talent. A RT can be picked up later, along with other BPA@PONs. We have some servicable players that could stand to be upgraded

oh yeah, keep churning the roster for sure

but a stud like DeCastro is a rare find :-)

I dont think more Valuable at all

OL- Blocking for BOTH RB’s no matter who has the ball and blocks on every pass play
RB- Only one guy can have the ball at a time.

Or just draft a rb in 2nd or 3rd

And sign grubbs or nicks. Then find a rt somewhere.. Hell, mims could even take over. The running game is not a STARTING problem. Its a DEPTH problem. It’d be stupid to draft a rb round one. I wouldn’t draft “all day” himself if he was at 11

Kcbiggyblue - January 19, 2012 via mobile reply

BPA @ PON

RB =/= PON

This

RB = PON

We have a RB whose never taken over 250 carries and coming off major surgery. I have full confidence that Jamaal will be back and as good as ever. And he is a genuine homerun hitter. But the lineup needs base hits too, and TRich is the kinda guy that can convert short yardage situations on a consistent basis. We need that, we need that desperately.

I'm not so sure that JC would be 100% this next year though.

I think he will be.

The surgical methods these days are advanced enough where the ACLMCL tear can be overcome. And considering Jamaal’s injury came so early in the season, he should have had time for a full recovery by the time camp is up and running.

I definitely see him playing, but usually it takes close to two years to get to 100%. He will play but I see him being close to 85% strength which will still be good enough to be dominant.

j charles

i believe he will be fully healed by opening weekend but the reasdon they call this a two-year injury is because the players are not as confident in their running ability , that they fear of re-injury

michaelaglover - January 19, 2012 reply

There are plenty of backs out there that can pick up the short yards

Hell, we even had one on the team in McClain but they never gave him the ball in those situations.

Short yardage is less of a problem behind a good Oline

A lot less

TheScootness - January 19, 2012 reply

It's a PON for depth only.

That makes it a luxury pick that high in the draft.

Short yardage and goal line still seems like a PON to me.

and yes of course o-line and later RB pick could also solve this.

Long gone are the days of relying on 1 RB

^This.

I love Jamaal. Dude has been my major mancrush since he caught a screen pass against the dolphins in 2008 and ran it for a gang a’ yards behind two Damion McIntosh pancakes (and yet somehow got caught from behind by Pat Surtain… the world may never understand that).

But Jamaal is not the kind of guy that can get you third and two against a stacked box and I’m not confident with Cassel/Orton/Stanzi having the ball in their hands in those situations.

You can quarrel with the idea of taking TRich in the first, but to say that a powerful RB, and one that can carry 200-250 times a season (not just depth), isn’t a PON is absurd.

Backup safety is a big PON, too, but we ain't taking one in the first.

There’s PON, and then there’s PON.

And after that there's PONZI and then you're broke

And then there's POON

but the whole “broke from the ponzi scheme” think probably make that difficult to land.

Personally, my favorite is PrON.

For when you can't get POON

and hopefully not too broke from the ponzi

Backup safety is depth. May see the field in subpackages, but its depth

200 carries a year isn’t depth, thats 12.5 carries a game, 62yards at a 5 ypc average, and 15% of overall offensive production for a team averaging 400 ypg.

Bull. How much did McGraw see the field last year? At least as often as a #2 RB.

Well, once Berry went out for the season, he ceased to be a backup.

The same could be said at RB. If Jamaal goes down again, all of a sudden TRich is carrying 350 times in the season.

The fact remains, at most positions the #2 on the depth chart is not gonna be a starting caliber player. RB is the exception. You want RBs #1 and #2 to both be starting caliber players. This is the new NFL.

No, mis-spoke, I meant 2010.

McGraw was on the field plenty when he was a backup.

Which is neither here nor there. Richardson might get more yards than Battle, but he ain’t gonna be breaking any DB tackles if our O line can’t get him past the big eaters up front.

In the “new NFL,” it doesn’t take a first rounder to be a great RB.

That could be said for any position though

Which? I said like three things.

In the "new NFL," it doesn’t take a first rounder to be a great RB.

that.

its true

EVERY position has someone that was a late round and is good. It just so happens that the main attention is on Running backs like foster. no one talks about how AMAZING a center is who was picked up in the 5th or 6th. Asmoah was what 5th ? hes probably going to be one of our best lineman at the moment.

ChiefsFan4Life634 - January 19, 2012 reply

Asamoah was a 3rd rounder

^ This

It's true for a lot of positions.

High first round positions: QB, LT, CB, pass rusher. Everywhere else has a much better chance of finding a gem after the first round.

but we need a RT

Then we should trade down.

Or up. There’s not really anybody in this draft projected at #11/12 that we’d get more value from than trading down.

RG3 ! lol

I project him at #2.

With a pimped out Oline it doesn't matter who the RB is

And a pimped out Oline has a longer shelf life then a RB does.

GenericBrand - January 19, 2012 reply

Sarcasm Fail.

It's not black and white like that

WAY more gray area involved than that. Besides, your interpretation of BPA =\= that of others.

NigerianNightmare - January 20, 2012 reply

Although I agree that we should not reach for a player

Pioli has been know to draft for need, even if the means reaching for it ; Tyson Jackson is a key example. Pioli has already said that o-line is our biggest need this off-season. I believe we should draft DeCastro and I don’t think he would be much of a reach at 11/12.

O.C.ChiefsFan - January 19, 2012 reply

I know, we should draft the best available player.

That would be David DeCastro, not Trent Richardson.

as I just said in the FanShot

I’d be OK with this pick IF the Chiefs address RT elsewhere.

stagdsp - January 19, 2012 reply

Would confirm that Pioli is clueless

Worst case scenario

HIV 2 Elway - January 19, 2012 via mobile reply

yup

there are worse cases

he could reach for a 2nd tier QB in the 1st, or draft another DE

stagdsp - January 19, 2012 reply

I'd say those three scenarios are on about the same level of suck.

Unless Dorsey leaves.

How is drafting an ELITE talent like Richardson worst case scenario?

Richardson would be an immediate upgrade to our running game. TJ isn’t effective, Battle doesn’t have the same burst and speed, and JC has never carried the full load in a season, much less coming off major knee surgery. T-Rich is one of the elite talents in this draft, much like DeCastro at G, Kalil at OT, and Luck/RG3 at QB. He’s a 3 down back if needed, drafting T-Rich would make Piloi a good evaluator of talent, probably not clueless.

AuthenticChief - January 19, 2012 reply

There is just no way I see Pioli finding value in a top 12 RB

Value is always discussed with Pioli’s drafts, and a RB in the first that would split carries with a much better back for out system just doesn’t hold water.

RememberDelaney37 - January 19, 2012 via mobile reply

Agreed.

I just don’t see it. I could see Pioli trading down with someone who else wants him, though.

I think we trade with Cleveland for their pick at the back of the draft

Draft Poe with that pick and then Mike Adams with the 2nd round pick

That is a long way to trade back...

If the price was right I could see that but moving back to 22 is a long way.

Would be cool if he could pull that off, though.

It would cost them

22 and 37… I wouldnt want a pick in 2013 unless they were hard up enough to give up a 1st…
22 and 37 would be a hell of a deal!

That doesn't sound like much to me

A 37 to move up 11 positions to draft someone who could be a franchise back for them doesn’t sound like a lot to give.

Trade Chart(take it for what it is worth)

11=1250
22=780
37=530
Net= +60 for KC
Doesnt seem like much but it is what it is(if they are using anything close to the chart)

The old chart no longer applies.

High draft picks are worth a lot more than they used to be, because of the rookie scale.

The Falcons

traded almost exactly the value in the chart for Jones last year…

With

picks at the same position in the draft that is…

SSS

?

Huh?

Small Sample Size

I looked at all the 1st round trades last year as well

Jac gave up 110 points to move up to 10, Atl gave up around 100(if they drafted in the same location in 2013), Cle gave up 100 points to move up to 21…
That is 3 first round trade all for +100 for the trading team.

I agree that it is a SSS

Yet that is 3 for 3 with the team trading back to get an xtra 100 points or so with the new rookie scale in place…

The old chart was made before rookie salaries became so outrageous.

It’s probably more accurate now than it was three years ago.

Touche

We should be trying to get as many 2013 picks as we can

Need to move up for Barkley next year

HIV 2 Elway - January 19, 2012 via mobile reply

I was in the line of thinking

They would want to give up the 22nd this year and a 2nd next year. They have the 5th pick in the 2nd this year so more than likely we would actually lose value. Now if they offered the 22nd this year, a 2nd and 3rd next year it would make up for it.

I can get behind this.

Agreed100%

I’m glad Khalil is leaving this year though. I want to see Barkley take some hits before I fall in love. As I see it right now, he has all the tools. But one of the most important things these days is physical confidence, a QB who isn’t afraid of 300lb monsters knocking the snot outta him (precisely why Gabbart sucks ass). I need to see that from Barkley.

Gabbert has trouble focusing on different levels of the field.

He’s either looking twenty yards downfield, or he’s looking at the rush. His problem is he can’t do both at the same time. But the dude is definitely not a wimp.

And maybe we can have the first successful UCS QB in the NFL

ever

15th time’s a charm!

What do you mean? Palmer has been to a playoff game!

He and Cassel can share "good ole days" stories about their playoff appearances

and Sanchez can let them know how it felt to win a few… and how it helped him land some hot 17 year old tail.

TBH

Palmer would’ve won his playoff game if his ACL/MCL didn’t get torn in the first quarter. Jon Kitna damn near won that game.

TBH

That is impossible to say with certainty, but who am I kidding?

Yeah, admittedly I'm speculating.

But it’s not wildly inplausible. That year, Palmer beat PITT in PITT a month before.

Kind of weird how far his game has fallen since then

Someone here mentioned it before

But him electing not to have surgery on his elbow a few years back seemed to have really hurt his power. Many point to this as the beginning of the end for him. It really does seem like a good point – he just doesn’t seem to have the arm he once did.

I like the trade, but draft Konz instead.

Hudson moves to guard, and we find RT later in the draft, or use the extra picks to move up if he sees someone he likes.

Helmets - January 19, 2012 reply

only thing with Hudson ... he's kinda small for Guard

that’s why he was projected as Center before the draft … he DID play Guard in college, but against smaller guys and less talent than what he’ll see at this level

in theory he’s our starting Center when Wiegs retires … hopefully that’s any day now

I like him at center because he's short.

Seems like the best centers are low, for going under piles and for not obscuring passing lanes.

no RB in the 1st

an awesome Oline can make any RB look good……see Denver for so many years, how many guys did they just plug in and have good years because the Oline was good

Romeo

Likes to run the ball, and having Richardson would help us control the clock, I like the pick IF and only IF we address O-line in free agency.

CWil03 - January 19, 2012 reply

^THIS

Nicks or Grubbs would go a long way towards allowing us to add more talent at skill positions in this draft.

AuthenticChief - January 19, 2012 reply

Two thoughts about drafting a big name RB in 1st round:

1) Would it be better to spend pick on a position with a better likelyhood of lasting 10 years? RBs careers seem to last only as long as first contract. TJ was exception.

2) Is his college production more from his ability or the great O-Lones he ran behind?

CatChief - January 19, 2012 reply

I think he has ability and will be good in the pros

but I think he is more of a product of that line. Ingram ran behind that same line last year and look at what he did this year

No he is the real deal.

If you watch his tape you see that he runs between the tackles (rare in college, but necessary in the pros), he is quick and has great vision, and is an absolute beast who housed the best defenders in the country (SEC).

RBs careers seem to last only as long as first contract.

If anything, this observation demonstrates that it makes sense to draft a RB (although you can quarrel with the notion of drafting Trich in the first). If RBs suffer a serious fall off after a few years in the league and coming off their rookie contracts, it makes more sense to draft one than to sign someone in FA who is inevitably going to suffer from said fall off. It makes more sense to spend your FA money on a guard coming off his rookie contract because he has another five solid years (not to mention greater experience and resulting effectiveness) left on him.

I'm all for drafting RB

But no earlier than 3rd, and that’s for a real talent.

You can get very productive RB’s in the last half of the draft or even UDFA. But you need an O Line that’s worth a damn to consistently make any RB worth a damn, unless that RB is one of those rare gems like Charles. But counting on finding that is like counting on finding another Brady in the 6th.

That knife cuts both ways my friend

Will Shields – drafted in the third round
Brian Waters – UDFA
Tim Grunhard – drafted in the second round

Finding an elite guard in the second or third round or even as a UDFA is just as easy. In fact, very few guards merit a selection in the first round. The general rule of thumb is the only OL position that typically demands a first rounder is LT.

Eh, I still have zero desire to drop a 1st on a guy who is going to be too beat up / worn down to play at his peak performance level in 4-5 years

I’d rather spend that early investment on O Line who you may get a solid decade out of.

And yet the rookie contract length is set in stone at 5 years

why bother considering a guy for 10-15 years if the only guarantee is 5?

Right, because people don't re-sign or extend their guys that perform.

Sucks how we lost DJ and Tamba and Flowers and

Priest Holmes

did pretty good after he came here.

Hoochdawg - January 19, 2012 reply

A contact-type back is great if his blockers can get him past the big D linemen.

If our blockers can’t do that for Richardson, then we’d do better with a guy like Charles who can make his own holes.

Why do all you people want to take the scraps from our rivals? I personally have had enough of Tolbert and Bush. And those two running backs aren’t even that good anyway. Trent Richardson is a luxury pick but a pick that could very well turn out to be worth it. The offensive line is extremely important but I don’t like the idea of seeing Trent Richardson end up as an all pro for years to come in a uniform that isn’t red yellow and white

Matthew Corlin - January 19, 2012 reply

Because they're proven, effective and fit the mold of what we think we need

They are both BIG bodied RBs that have a track record of performing well. They are essentially a known commodity.

I don’t think it’s that people don’t want Trent in KC or don’t think he’ll make a good pro – they just feel there are many other places we should be addressing via the draft early on, and RB just isn’t one of them.

If we don't address the QB this offseason and spend a 1st pick on a RB

I’m off the wagon, I’ll go cheer for the Tebow’s until Pioli is gone.

What if we address QB this offseason and draft RB in the first?

Ironic that you'd support the Broncos

because of the Chiefs not addressing the QB position.

Broncos addressed their QB

Like every other smart team, they got one in the 1st. He may work out, he may not, but they at least showed the balls to make a move. And hey, got them a home playoff win to boot.

Why take one in the first when you've already gotten a better one in the 5th?

jmcgoblue - January 19, 2012 reply

So I hear Cassel’s sold his house in KC….

I'd buy his house if it would get us a star QB.

And that’s no joke either, I was really told that he did.

Really?

Usually real-estate comments aren’t well recieved after Guppy’s Cowher post.

That’s why I pointed out that I wasn’t joking. Unfortunately it probably just means he bought a new one.

Were you in a pizza joint?

but wasn't Tebow a 1st round RB?

Chiefs_KC - January 19, 2012 reply

I would be OK with this IFwe shored up our offensive line in free agency. That means finding a quality starting LT, and finding proper depth.

Topchief1 - January 19, 2012 reply

I think we are already good at LT

Sorry, I meant RT. My fingers slipped (I swear! :) )

Topchief1 - January 19, 2012 reply

Yeah very solid at LT specially since he is suck a good guy

But I know he meant RT. But i’m feeling another Will Shields idk why but guys like him and Nicks and Snee just aren’t easy to find and they can make RB’s that aren’t exactly great play great. Look at the RB’s for the Saints no real studs. Plus Gaurds who don’t get thrown around like ours have been know to do ie Lilja really help a Qb. Watch Brady’s pocket some time

Yeah, the Saints have shown how important the middle of the line is.

QB absolutely needs to be addressed but how?? I think RG 3 opens up a lot of things for our offense but is even possible to get him at this point? and will we even be able to lure Peyton to KC, assuming he is healthy? I am sick of watching sub-par quarterbacks but acquiring a star quarterback isn’t simple. What are your guys thoughts?

Matthew Corlin - January 19, 2012 reply

Ricky Williams the draft.

I don’t care. We could have the best 21 players on the field, but with Matt Cassel at the helm, ain’t winning shit.

If we get the NT taken care of

Cassel can be our Trent Dilfer, but I would rather have Orton and trade or cut Cassel

Dilfer >> Cassel

Chiefs_KC - January 19, 2012 reply

Dilfer has more picks than TD's and a handful of winning seasons

they are both mediocre to average QB’s, they are the same

I like it! QB would be much more worthwhile than a RB. O-line and RB could be picked up in FA

The Oline is fine.

Was it a coincidence that the oline all of a sudden got better when Orton was the QB, rather than Casshole or Palkhole? All we need is not the worst RT in the league.

That would still be a need, unless we are hoping that Mims is the guy.

I think we need to find another guard to backup/replace Lilja for the run game if nothing else,

but yeah, that guy can be found pretty much anywhere.

the OLine is fine?

was it a coincidence that we STILL couldn’t score in the Red Zone? did you see what happened after Bowe went down? the last 3 Qtrs of the Denver game we had a whopping total of 9 yards of offense

What does that have to do with the O-Line? Is Asamoah going to the next "Deep Freeze"?

Jackie Battle goes down WAY too easily, get a better running back like Trent Richardson and he’s taking it in when we reach the red zone.

right then, let's continue with a crappy OLine

Or a good Offensive Line that only needs a RT

Having a star running back split carries with Jamaal Charles who is coming off an ACL injury = A bigger priority than getting a RT in the first round.

I wouldn’t be upset if the Chiefs waited as late as the third round before they draft an offensive lineman.

some leaders for you ... not even Jamaal Charles could get it done, esp coming back from injury, w/o improvement on the OLine, esp the interior (there's a huge reason why a lot of people want a Top 10 talent like DeCastro)

MJD, Round 2
Ray Rice, Round 2
Arian Foster, UDFA
Frank Gore, Round 3

I wouldn’t be upset if the Chiefs waited til the fourth round to draft a RB

Improvement on the Offensive Line doesn't have to come in the first round, the line isn't that bad. The reason people want DeCastro a lot is because they're panicking over nothing

And have delusions of grandeur that every lineman drafted in the first round will be the next Willie Roaf.

Will Shields: Round 3
Brian Waters: Undrafted
Tim Grunhard: Round 2
Steve Wisniewski: Round 2

The list of good offensive lineman found outside the first round in the draft is as long as the list of good running backs found outside the first round in the draft, it really doesn’t make a difference to post a couple of names and say when they were drafted for each position group.

The Chiefs could wait until the 2nd or 3rd round to draft an offensive lineman, like I personally hope they will do, and we’ll still be fine. Getting a running back to pair with Jamaal Charles who is coming off an ACL tear comes WAYYYYYYYYY before getting a RT to replace the currently worst RT in the NFL right now, we can put anyone in B. Richardson’s position and get better production.

I wonder how the last guard that was drafted in the first round is doing right now

Oh yeah, he was benched for sucking up the joint and his fan base is already calling him a bust.

Peterson is benched because he broke himself.

I’d personally wait until the second round before drafting a running back OR a guard.

I wouldn't draft any offensive lineman this season until the 2nd

In the first round I would load up on defense or get a RB.

I just can't understand how anybody can realize that RT is not a first round pick,

but fail to realize the same is true about RB.

hey KC, fixed it for you ... have a great day :-)

Improvement on the ~~Offensive Line~~ Running Backs Group doesn’t have to come in the first round, the ~~line~~ group isn’t that bad. The reason people want ~~DeCastro~~ Richardson a lot is because they’re panicking over nothing

There you go!

better

Good point.

Give me LaMichael James in the 2nd or 3rd.

AhQueeNo - January 19, 2012 reply

not when when we have an oline that doesnt block

and he’s hit in the backfield for a loss

The Line blocked fine for Orton, he was only sacked once.

Jackie Battle got hit for a loss more b/c of his own fault than the line. He’s a 246lb RB that goes down often after first contact and when he runs he has his head down often because he needs to constantly make sure the ball is still there which effects his ability to see the creases and holes the line makes.

Lol, you don't see any difference between pass blocking and run blocking?

The title talked about Pass Blocking

The body talked about Jackie Battle’s defencies as a running back that even would good run blocking it still wouldn’t make a difference.

kthxbai

If Battle gets hit for a loss, it's because a defender got into the backfield.

That’s on blocking, not on the RB.

this ^^^

common sense … shame it’s not as common as it should be ;-)

and the fact

that we played 3 of the worse defenses in the league during those 3 games had nothing to do with that, just a coincidence huh, our Oline is not good, tell me of the 4 teams left in the playoffs right now how many have a terrible oline and a 1st round RB, that would be none

Yawn

You really make no point at all man. We played 3 of the worst defenses to close out the season, so what? We played a ton of bad defenses all season long and this same offensive line that only allowed one sack to cap off the last 3 games of the season against these weak defenses was the same one that was struggling earlier in the season against defenses equally or just as bad. We only played 3 games against defenses that can be seen as good and besides the complete meltdown against the Jets you can say that the line did well. Like I said you don’t really make a point, you’re just rambling at this point, and this is going in circles.

The line is fine, like I said before people are overreacting. Drafting offensive line in the first round would quite frankly be a waste, what the team needs is a better offensive line coach and offensive coordinator, that’s what the majority of the people here preaching offensive line in the first like it’s Gospel need to realize.

you're right, we played against horrible defenses this year and we looked bad all year long

however, I don’t recall a single game where the OC or OL Coach was on the field for any of them

it’s about players :—)

If the Oline is fine

then why are we sitting at home for the playoffs, oh yeah 2 blocked fgs

toucheand ZING!

though to be honest those were on Maneri and ST’s as much as anything … but yeah

Ding, ding, ding

we have a winner.

and drafting a RB

who will play probably only 5-6 season at a high level isnt a waste, sorry dude would rather take the oline guy that will be around for probably more then 10 years

We can win shit...

the Golden Shit Award for best worst quarterback on an otherwise complete team.

I don't even know to what you were replying BUT

REC for the fantastic pic!! LMFAO!!!!

ChiefsFan4Life634 - January 19, 2012 reply

Ha! Craig said

…with Matt Cassel at the helm, ain’t winning shit.

I was pointing out that we could indeed win “shit”.

Ochophosphate - January 20, 2012 reply

I'm actually all for this move if he is available at 11

I think Albert is fine at LT and there should be a quality RT prospect available in round 2 or 3. Look how much it bogged the team down without JC this year. With 2 stud RB’s they should be able to weather having a less than stellar QB, which will more than likely be the case.

I would like this move a lot

I have already given my opinion on the offensive line it can wait until the 2nd or 3rd round.

Just looked up the last 10 years of the draft.

Picks 11 and 12 had some pretty impressive names. J.J. Watt, Clady, P. Willis, Ngata, Ware, Merriman?, Big Ben, Vilma, and Freeney. Not sure if this means anything… Anyway, what do you guys think?

elementary my dear watson - January 19, 2012 via mobile reply

I'll be happy with an effective starter

would be ecstatic if we could land elite talent like some of those in that list

Add Richardson to the list if RG3 or Luck is out of the question

Matthew Corlin - January 19, 2012 reply

This NFL Mock Draft Has The Chiefs Wasting Their First Round Pick

Wheres the beef?

ArrowDread - January 19, 2012 reply

Beef is tasty and all

but the best nutritionists know that game is the best meat.

And Trich got game.

When we start seeing CB mocked to us, we'll know the mock well is running dry.

Don't be surprised if they let Carr walk and take a CB in the first.

Yep why take the boat when you can take what's in the secret box.

IT MIGHT EVEN BE A BOAT!

Thank you, Peter Griffin.

Such a great quote, but not even the best part of that episode.

Pessimist.

I was purposely avoiding thinking that, and now you’ve gone and stuck it in my brain. If Carr goes, I blame you.

Look, I love me some Carr

and he’s a solid #2. But if we were to get an elite CB talent, all of a sudden, we have two sure fire #1 CBs and amazing depth. I don’t think it would necessarily be a bad proposition, providing we address RT, G depth, RB, and NT later in the draft.

Nothing's sure fire in the draft. Except that it's almost sure that first year would suck for the rookie CB.

Don't be surprised if they let Bowe walk and take Jeffery, calling it.

severn58 - January 19, 2012 reply

What a massive waste that would be

save money

i wouldn’t do it thoe. ill be pretty mad if they let him walk .

UNLESSS

we use bowe to get RG3. then maybe ill be ok with it …. from what i read the RedSkins are very interested in Matt Flynn . if thats true , we have to battle it out with browns , miami .. and idk lol

It would feel funny working a trade with Ratface.

I'd love to see Richardson drafted

just so all these armchair GM’s can come crawling back once we begin winning games

I have no doubt he'd help out in the short term.

But if I’m spending a #11 or #12 I want someone who is going to be around a lot longer than a RB.

Or if we were already stacked through the roster and could drop a luxury pick, sure why not?

But given the current context – no way in hell.

screenied

Exactly

What I’ve learned from watching 12 hours per week of football the last handful of years, you win in the NFL by running the football and a mediocre-to-shitty QB.

what you did there, I see it.

That's just it

people here act like just because they waste their lives watching television it qualifies them as expert’s on the game of football. If that were the case they wouldn’t be spending their free time watching, they’d spend their free time doing other shit because they’d be paid during the week to give their football expertise. Some RB’s have value in the first round, it’s not every year but it does happen. The last RB we drafted 1st round work out relatively well regardless how people want to contort it. If Pioli decides Richardson is BPA available I have no qualms with it. Similarly if they take DeCastro, Martin, or some defensive player. Whoever it is will be good and have a role on this team, otherwise we wouldn’t draft them in the 1st round

I'm done drinking the Pioli Kool-aid

Just because he knows more than me, it doesn’t mean he’s beyond reproach. He’s had 2 questionable 1st round picks in 3 years, and Eric Berry would have been picked by 97.9% of Arrrowhead Pride. Congrats for making the pick that everyone and their dog knew would have been the pick.

I think most would have taken

Baldwin+Houston in the first last year.

With each passing day

the T-Jax pick is looking more & more solid. Review the Top 20 picks from the 2009 class. Sure BJ Raji would been choice, but I’m satisified with what we got considering the fate of other selections in that draft class.

Baldwin? Give the dude time. He has a freakish frame with great measurables for a WR and you’re already to throw the towel in on him after practically half a rookie season? Get real.

I like Pioli Flavor Kool-Aid

It’s like Rock-a-Dile Red with a bit of an oaky tinge and a little hint of peat moss and rose essence. If you let it decant for a good 20 minutes, it really brings out the full flavor.

It goes well with salmon or ahi, and also pairs well with pizza. Also works with just about any chocolate dessert.

Exactly.

And it’s worth noting that of the four teams remaining, two of them have elite level RBs (Rice and Gore) on has a solid tandem (Bradshaw/Jacobs) and the other has Tom friggin Brady and frankenstein lining up at TE.

Rice and Gore are non-first round RBs running behind massive O lines.

^This

Blount > TRich

ArrowDread - January 19, 2012 reply

Lunacy.

That's funny

I could see Richardson drafted at 11/12

to either Cleveland or Cincy. Then we draft ILB/NT/OL in the late first round.

7chiefs7 - January 19, 2012 reply

I find it funny

how for the past 3 years most on here have said “need to draft O-line in the 1st” Pioli’s stupid for drafting a D-linemen, then a safety, then a WR, and now so many are wanting him to take a RB with a top 15 pick

As a fantasy playoff guy

And a guy who knows more stats than most people dream of. This isn’t a good idea… Look Charles may never be Charles again but you know what? Charles like RB’s don’t win games pure and simple. You can stop Charles to a degree and even if you can’t rushing ypc will never top yards per pass. This league as much as I may not like it has become a passing league. Look at the teams left in the playoffs notice anything? only one good RB and that is Ray Rice and his biggest weapons may be his hands out of the back field. Now only two really have Elite Qb’s and that is Eli and Brady. But Defense is what they all have in common except maybe NE but their defense is helped by ball control by Brady and they aren’t terrible at stopping the run I mean they to a degree stopped Teblow. So what do you say is my answer? Draft one of the top 2 corners ie the LSU or Alabama guys. Or go Oline and hope for a better shot at a QB next year unless some weird way we get Manning. Olineman last 13 or more years and rarely miss a lot of games look at Albert. RB’s are a juke away from a bum knee.

stopped reading after

“As a fantasy playoff guy”

chiefsfan83 - January 19, 2012 reply

great googly moogly!

elementary my dear watson - January 19, 2012 via mobile reply

Really...

I'm just saying I know a lot of the teams in the playoffs well

I don’t just look at stats and go hey looky there that kid can run I look at why and who he is playing. I know that last week the 2 top run defenses played each other. Don’t think i’m some chump who plays fantasy football I am more than that lol I promise

Then don't lead off with fantasy credentials.

And for God’s sake don’t mention Madden.

I didn't mean it to sound like that

I’m just saying i’ve studied the teams in the playoffs left. And I would never use madden lol that’s like saying I played COD and now i’m combat ready

Well, as a slightly addicted Skyrim player

I can confidently assert that I am more capable of battling dragons than most.

Pffffft, I watched both seasons of The Walking Dead

I am confident the only thing you need to do to survive the zombie apocalypse is to out run the fat guy.

severn58 - January 19, 2012 reply

or be brainless

Zombie Plan #14.

I think we might have some qualifiers right here at Arrowhead Pride

I think I'm qualified to speak on arrows taken to the knee

Ha!

Same here.

Something wrong with Frank Gore?

Cause he’s helped the 9’ers a ton.

In any case, I’d count the number of elite players at 2 RBs and 2 QBs.
We should also point out that in this passing league, the 3 of the best passers (Brees, Rodgers and Stafford) are no longer in the hunt. But to assist your point, those teams with great QBs also had suspect defenses. New England is the only team remaining that had an iffy defense supported by a monster offense.

I’m not trying to be a dick…cheese… burger… here – just wanting to say that it looks like there are a few similarities in these teams but they each have a strength that helped bring them there. The two Harbaugh teams are very similar – strong D and strong running game with an adequate passer with decent receiving weapons. New England is an offensive juggernaut with a middling defense that is very opportunistic. The Giants are pretty well rounded on offense and defense.

If we go after a CB it’s because we let Carr walk. I also agree with you on o-line. I won’t throw a fit if we pick a RB that early but I would prefer we address other areas. On top of it all, it seems easier to find suitable RBs than it is at other positions.

meant "3 of" not "the 3 of"

didn’t mean that Stafford, Rodgers and Brees were THE best, just three OF the best.

Sorry spaced on him man

He’s not like JC elite to me anymore I seem him regressing

Once NE and NY win this weekend maybe we can agree that we need an elite QB

That kind of rhymes

Perhaps - but I will say

that Alex Smith played a damn good game last weekend. I was impressed (probably more surprised).

Mock Draft fail!!!!!

Do not need another RB in the 1st… thanks.

I can count 4 players in the next 8 picks of that mock that I'd take before Richardson.

EricBerryYoYouScary - January 19, 2012 reply

It entirely depends...

on what we do in FA. I could see us going after a LG in FA (Nicks would be awesome). Otherwise I’d go with DeCastro IF he is available. But if we get a LG in FA, or DeCastro is gone, I would be all for taking TR. I know we need to upgrade RT too, but I think we can do that in the second for sure and I think 11 or 12 might be a little bit of a reach for Rieff or Martin. You have to take best available in that area IMO. But what will probably happen is we trade back and then take a tackle.

Reiff and Martin

are often projected to go top 11, so not a reach. Scout;s Inc. has Reiff at 7 and Martin at 11. They got DeCastro at 15. I’d be pretty happy with any of those 3. Heck, I’d be happy if we go OL – OL in rounds 1 and 2. We could even trade down and get a decent OT with Zebrie Sanders from Florida State late in the 1st round.

Just a Note

For anyone who likes the idea of Trent Richardson being a Chief, look up Robert Turbin out of Utah State. He’s a very similar type back (with YES less talent) but certainly capable of being a productive nfl back, and he can be drafted late.

Rollo80 - January 19, 2012 reply

Peter Shrager is comparing Richardson to Peterson?

Really? I have to admit I live in Big 12 country and I really haven’t seen to many Alabama games to give a expert opinion on Richardson. But, I did see him play in the Bowl game and was not that impressed. Watching Adrian Peterson in college I think everyone knew he was gonna be a stud. Maybe that’s the way SEC fans see RIchardson.

Atomic Punx - January 19, 2012 reply

Watching the first LSU v Alabama game was all I needed to see that this kid is elite.

Watching him play and develop the past few years it’s not hard to see that he will be a great back. No he’s not as good as AP, but nobody in the league is.

Could be - I always thought he was better than Ingram

As long as he stays healthy (which is always the case) then he should have a nice career in the nfl. He reminds me a bit of Michael Turner 2.0

3.9 ypc. With a 24-yard run thrown in there for padding.

Not bad, but not first round good either.

Gotta watch the game I guess

Why? That was his production.

No TDs, so his average wasn’t hurt by hitting the goal line. All he was hitting was the defense.

Best defensive line in the country

And the 2nd best defense I’m not surprised.

That's the kind of defensive line he'll face in the NFL.

And before you say that he’ll also have a better O line in the NFL, I would like to point out our O line.

Who says he doesn't do differently the next time?

In the nfl he won’t be facing the best lines in the league every game, and I don’t think if we did pick him we stood with what we had at OL. I expect some FA and other draft selections, which would help us be even mOre dynamic.

good thing it's a MOCK draft and not the REAL one ... people would be starting fights on here :-)

If only you could punch somebody through the internet.

The world would be a MUCH nicer place.

yesh!

Shanghai_Chiefs - January 19, 2012 reply

wish I could sim past this grey zone of a not-yet-off-season, straight to OC hiring and into FA/Draft time.

this speculation and slap fighting is, I guess, part of what normally goes on here. I don’t follow college ball and can only go by what others say. I guess it comes down to we’ll just have to wait and see.

Most of ya’ll (not you ups, of course) are still in this mode:

Another RB does not solve our QB issue.

And if I know the team like I think I do, we will have Cassel Starting next season. As much as this sucks we need to help him suceed with a better line. This also helps the RB we have. We need to draft the best lineman available in round one.

lafe422 - January 19, 2012 reply

We have on position of need on the OL, RT

and that is a position that generally is not valued in the top 15. We could use an upgrade at G as well, but we’ll be able to find that later as well. As for helping solve our QB issue, only a new QB will really do that, but having a guy that can help create third and short as well as convert third and shorts will keep the ball out of our biggest offensive liabilities hands at critical points.

but there is no solution at #11 or #12 for our QB issue.

Moving up 10 spots is a lot to give up. Best best is to take best of Oline or Trent Richardson if there, then address OLine later and find a QB later in either Foles, Cousins, or Weedon.

Fozzyboyd - January 19, 2012 reply

No Way!!!

Skrappy - January 19, 2012 reply

We all need to consider the fact that J.Charles might not be the same back he was before the injury.

So while I’d prefer other areas of need to be addressed early on in the draft, picking T.Richardson wouldn’t piss me off too much.

It would piss you off when you see Seymour run over Lilja and squash Richardson in the backfield.

How's that?

Did I say forget about the rest of the picks? We could always draft
Kevin Zeitler OG from Wisconsin OR draft B.Jones OC from Georgia to fill o-line needs. I’m not saying it would be the best option, but it’s not a bad move.

that's true ... we COULD get those guys ... or not, it's a very fluid situation, and maybe we manage to sign Nicks

bottom line is we need improvement on the OLine interior … hopefully Hudson starts at C next year next to Asamoah … but Lilja was as much a liability in the running game in the Red Zone as Wiegs … we need that interior, and DeCastro is the best of the best in this year’s draft class

and you know, the best of anything isn’t a bad thing

What if it's best QB on the Chiefs?

that would be ... ummmmm ... wait, we HAVE one?

Just so you know I'm for o-line with the first 2 picks:P

I’m on your side:P

schweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

DeCastro and … hell, even the best TE would work for me … Sanders would be a great 2nd Round to go with DeCastro

I had us drafting P.Lutzenkirchen TE Auburn in my mock.

But I don’t see him listed any more:(

If we go OL

I can see DeCastro in the first, he’s elite talent. I don’t get all the love for Zebrie Sanders though, I’d rather have Datko if I’m taking a OT from FSU.

AuthenticChief - January 19, 2012 reply

Or we could get out of that 11/12 pick

and get Cordy Glenn AND Lamar Miller AND Mike Adams AND Ben Jones……

Yeah

I have to say that would indeed piss me off

Only 3 problems with the offensive line and none really require going after someone in the first round of the draft

1) The worst RT as the starter.

2) No competent Offensive Line Coach

3) No competent Offensive Coordinator

We can get a RT in the 2nd or 3rd round, and I would feel like it would be a waste to draft a RT in the first from my point of view. The second and third problems will be on Crennel to fix.

In Laments terms

If Richardson is there, you take him and don’t look back.

A need at RB doesn't require a first round pick any more than a need at RT.

It’s not an either/or. Both are post-first round positions.

When RB is the BPA, RT can wait

well, since he's likely to be gone before our pick, Richardson is most likely not an option

by the same token, DeCastro is very likely to be around and would indeed be BPA if he is

DeCastro is a top 5 pick on whose Big Board exactly?

No matter how you slice it Richardson is the BPA

wow, we moved up and we now drat at #5? COOL!

Smh, Learn what the term "Big Board" means

That is typically how you find the BPA.

I know what it means, so stop with the condescending attitude, ok?

we draft at 11 or 12 and Richardson isn’t going to be there when we do

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/1/13/2705942/why-drafting-a-1st-round-running-back-is-a-bad-idea

here ya go: suggested reading

What's the dropoff from the BPA to the next guy?

Current events suggest we can get a stud RB in the third round.

Its not about BPA or PON

It’s about degree of upgrade over existing player. The players currently on the team are given a number rating, and the players in the draft are given a number rating. You draft the guy that gives you the greatest improvement over existing personnel.

So TRich would be a significant upgrade over Jones/Battle, while DeCastro, although an upgrade over Lilja, would be a slightly less significant upgrade.

Except Battle is a backup and Jones is probably gone.

Why don’t we grade DeCastro against Harris, just to make things even?

The #2 RB is considered a position that is comparable to a starter

200 carries a year is a big deal, and that’s more carries/game than a backup G is likely to see total snaps/year. Maybe you analyze TRich vs. potential RB that can be acquired via FA. So the question becomes

(TRich – Tolbert/Michael Bush) > or < (DeCastro – Lilja)

THERE'S. ONLY. ONE. TRICH.

And it ain’t some college kid.

You're right, it's not the same.

But neither is comparing his value against who is going to play every single snap at LG (if healthy), either.

Lamar Miller would also be a significant upgrade over Charles' backup.

And there's only one TRich.

FWIW

in 2011, the Chiefs were 19th in the league in Pass Blocking Protection and 29th in the league in Run Blocking … get it? ok?

we were ranked LOWER in Run Blocking than in Pass Protection, even with the so-called “worst” RT in the the league

and guess what team was 1st in Run Blocking and 3rd in Pass? if you said the Saints then give yourself a pat on the back

source: http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Copy cat league...

I wouldn’t be surprised if DeCastro is gone before our pick. But this draft is supposed to be heavy with good guard prospects.

yanno, I was SURE that I saw Pierre Thomas have a killer good game against the Lions not long ago

did you know he was UDFA? amazing how that works!

Funny thing, those probowl OGs for the saints...

Jahri Evans: drafted fourth round
Carl Nicks: drafted fifth round

Hell, even their LT Bushrod was a fourth rounder.

this

even if we upgrade our RT , we still have cassel. We all know he cant do anything without a good Running game. If TRIch can be anything like AP then our run game can take us where we want without cassel. of COURSE we need to fix oline , but not saying it cant be done in the rest of draft and free agency.

Jerome Bettis > Trent Richardson

I saw our defense stuff Bettis because even he couldn’t run through D linemen.

Richardson’s tackle breaking won’t be valuable unless his O line can get him past the D line.

i did mention we need to fix oline.

so basically i meant id be ok with TRich AND fixing the line.

I'd be OK with DeCastro, AND getting a #2 running back.

You been inversed.

here ya go ... very interesting stat from Football Outsiders

on Adjusted Line Yards they break it down into 5 categories or directions …
6 LEFT END
1 LEFT TACKLE
32 MID/GUARD
27 RIGHT TACKLE
25 RIGHT END

wow … dead last in the league up the middle

hello!?!

Yeah, I was using that to argue with AZ awhile back.

He’s an Albert hater.

He does hate Albert lol

but damn! look at that right friggin side

true, but look at the MIDDLE ... ouch

turrible!

to say we don’t need massive o-line help boggles the mind

I know, huh

I mean, we’re ONLY dead last so it COULD be worse … right?

uh...

:)

I wonder if part of the left/right stuff

is related to Asamoah pulling across a lot better than lilja? Or maybe Lilja being a better second-level guy than Asamoah? Probably some of both.

well, we're 25 in 2nd Level yards

but that’s overall

and FWIW ... 48% of our runs were Middle/Guard

none of the other 4 areas were more than 16%

L to R in % – 15 11 48 9 16

rather small sample sizes really in the outsides … I suppose grouping the two Left and two Right you might get a more clear picture

nonetheless, going mostly up the middle and we’re drop dead LAST in the league speaks volumes

487 rushes, though...

9% of 487 is a large enough sample for statistics, barely. But not really because there are so many other variables playing against different teams on different fields….Really hard to get significant statistics in football, unlike in baseball. Which is why FO has a hard job.

That's cuz Muir

and/or Haley kept running Dex up the middle right at their NT.

We might be able to get B.Jones OC Georgia in the 3rd round.

What do you guys think about him being moved to LG or if he could play the position. He could fill in at Center if Hudson got hurt.

have to look up more on him ... see if he CAN play LG, size etc ... can he move for ZBS?

thing with DeCastro is he’s ideally suited for ZBD … pulling and blocking on the move, he’s hands down the best

Here ya go.

He’s 6’3" 316 and said to be the 2nd best OC in the draft, so the chances of getting him in the 3rd round are slim.

Latest News
12/08/2011 – 2011 RIMINGTON TROPHY AWARD FINALIST (BEST CENTER): Ben Jones, Georgia, Sr…Jones has proven to be one of the most dominant linemen in the nation and joined his teammates in representing the Eastern Division at the 2011 SEC Championship Game versus top-ranked LSU on December 3. ones graded out at 82 percent average through the regular season with an average of five intimidator blocks a game. He was named to UGA’s Victor’s Club 10 times during the 2011 season for his outstanding play on the offensive line and of Georgia’s 29 sacks allowed, Jones did not give up any of them. – Georgia football

Full Ben Jones News Wire
Overview

The SEC is largely recognized as college football’s most talented conference. Much of this sentiment is due to the conference’s exorbitant talent along the defensive line. Put simply, the SEC churns out athletic big men with a frequency that other conferences simply haven’t matched. As such, when there are offensive linemen capable of handling the weekly “Murderer’s Row” of SEC defensive linemen, they earn high — sometimes surprisingly high — grades from pro scouts.

Perhaps because of the commonality of his name or the fact that he’s been overshadowed by skill position players and even fellow offensive linemen while at Georgia, but few fans realize how highly regarded Jones is in the scouting community. Jones possesses a prototypical NFL frame for the position as well as relatively good athletiicsm and technique. A durable, consistent performer who enters his fourth season as the Bulldogs’ starting center, Jones looks to be in good position to be among the first centers drafted in 2012.
Analysis

Pass blocking: Good initial quickness and recognition. Makes the line calls here. Impressive anchor. Absorbs some big punches against quicker, powerful DTs/NGs and after a short step back is able to hold his ground well. Good lateral agility to slide and mirror. Looks for someone to hit when not covered up. Could gain more explosiveness in his initial punch or when helping others.

Run blocking: Good initial quickness off the snap to turn and seal off the defender. Possesses good size and strength for the drive block, as well, but comes out lunging, at times, and doesn’t have the balance to correct himself and recover. A bit inconsistent with his hand placement, as well, getting too low and leaving himself vulnerable to effective swim moves.

Pulling/trapping: Not asked to pull from this scheme, but shows good initial quickness and recognition as a trap blocker. Allows the defender to sneak in and then shows good power to turn, seal off and often pancake his opponent.

Initial Quickness: Arguably his best trait. Possesses very good initial quickness in handling snap responsibilities (adept at shotgun, regular) while getting his hands up to handle the middle. Efficiently gets to the second level.

Downfield: Though quick to the second level, Jones has only average lateral agility and balance, overall. He struggles a bit re-directing against moving targets and too often gets his hands outside of the pads (though he’s rarely called for holding). Good effort downfield and when he is squared up on his target, he demonstrates some nastiness, resulting in some impressive pancake blocks.

Intangibles: Enters senior campaign with 35 career starts — all of them at center. Was named to Georgia’s Team of the Decade. Has been recognized throughout his career for leadership and toughness, including earning the offense’s True Grit award at the conclusion of 2011 spring practice. Graduated early from high school to enroll at Georgia in January, 2008.

nice job! give yourself a pat on the back ...

… but don’t break your arm trying :-)

Copy and paste is so awesome:P

DeCastro in the first round and B.Jones in the 2nd round would be OK with me

Then throw in a OT FOR DEPTH AND i’M A HAPPY CAMPER:)

Well, last year the third best center went in the 6th round,

in 2010 the second center went in the third round. So there’s hope.

I like what it says about initial quickness. Very important NFL type trait.

So, he probably won’t drop to the third round :(

I wouldn't mind.

Guards are usually moved to center since it takes more athleticism to pull….but Hudson could play guard if we get a slam-dunk center.

And we really need two guys on the active roster who can play center.

Some info on B.Jones above^^^

And did you know Jerome Bettis was a first round pick?

Yup, AFTER Garrison Hearst (who?).

And did you know Bettis didn’t win a SB until Pitt got Ben?

You mean it's a team game! And a RB can't win the SB alone? What?

chiefsman, we can't find a QB in free agency? or in the second or third round of the draft? maybe Stanzi is ready to play ... and MIGHT be better than Cassel

maybe Orton returns and he’s a clear upgrade over Cassel … either way, any way you slice it … we STILL can’t find the end zone w/o immediate help on the OLine, and nobody outside of Nicks would help us more than DeCastro

Nicks = RT?

I think we need more help at Guard

no, Nicks plays OG ... would be a very expensive FA pickup, guy's a beast but pricey ... and doubt the Saints let him get away

Then that's a pipe dream, really...

Shanghai_Chiefs - January 19, 2012 reply

thus his yearning burning for DeCastro

I'm good with DeCastro

if he’s as good as advertised. We need help at guard, rather badly

Sudden, that's true ... but how long did it take them to develop? more to the point, how many guys have been drafted in middle or later rounds that have NOT done well?

right then!

Well I wouldn't mind it

Gotta remember its all about getting guys the defense has to Gameplan for. Dexter might not seem valuable but I heard broncos players talking about how he’s a guy to watch. Just so happens he got the winning TD against the broncos.

Most times it’s supposed to be the QB since we don’t got one might as well get playmakers, Trex is beastly and could pound it in for short yardage as we continue tooling the line. Pioli can sniff out late round lineman And I hope we hit free agency.

i noticed BCARR just tweeted

“its kinda nice to be back in KC” . doesnt mean anything , but may be a good indicator that he likes KC and now that hes back he can talk about that contracttttt

Just "kinda?"

well this is his exact words

BCarr39 " Feels kinda good to be back in KC" lol

is he back to sign a contract?

I'm going with that interpretation.

/Kool-aid

That makes me feel kinda better.

Or he's been on a vacation, but just got back?

/afraid to drown in kool-aid with how things have gone

TRSChief - January 20, 2012 reply

Baldwin

I don’t know why people think he is a bust. The guy missed half a season and had no off season. Receivers often take time. He has all the tools Bowe has and is a bit taller. I have complete faith that he will be a great receiver in the NFL with more time.

Brandt34 - January 19, 2012 via mobile reply

time will tell

too early to judge … so far the jury is still out on the guy

It should stay out for another season or two

Just because he didn’t come in and Julio Jones or AJ Green all over the place doesn’t mean he won’t improve and become solid.

I like him, I want to see what he becomes. He did make one of the most freaky-deaky catches I’ve ever seen this season.

Chiefs/ Trent Richardson

Draft him if he’s available. What the hell do you people expect? Do you want another year of Jackie Battle or the old worn out Jones when Charles gets hurt(and he will get hurt) again? It’s a deep draft this year for OL. Richardson is a stud and you take him. Good god people snap out of it!!!

SwafDaddy - January 19, 2012 reply

Snap out of the eighties.

As awesome as that decade is….a RB can’t carry a team anymore.

well, in all fairness, a RB did carry the Chiefs in 2010 ;-)

Ha! Ya got me.

But I couldn’t think of two more different RBs than Charles and Richardson.

That’s kinda my point when I speculate about how little impact a contact-style runner would have behind a weak O line.

impact runner and a weak OLine ...

oh, like TJ?

As Ups would say, yesh!

The 90's called

they want their 1980’s jokes back.

I never joke about the eighties.

Taking a rb in the 1st round is a waste of a pick

just look at last year, the Saints took Mark Ingram in the 1st cuz he was a “stud” rb coming out of college. And how did that work out for them?

Did you even watch a game?

Hey Einstein, it was working well for the Saints. He was ahead of Thomas and Ivory on the depth chart and until his injury was doing a great job for them. At least the Saints had some decent back up when he went down. The Chiefs had nothing.

SwafDaddy - January 19, 2012 reply

You're nuts

Ingram was a waste of a pick, especially after they got a real back in Sproles

HIV 2 Elway - January 19, 2012 reply

Agreed

Fucking AJent Smith.

Someone remind me again, speaking of that idiot Smith

Why didn’t KC sign Brees when dumbass let him walk?

Because he had dislocated his shoulder out the BOTTOM of the joint.

Still makes me cringe thinking about him walking off the field with his arm locked at shoulder height. The feeling was he had much less than a 50/50 chance of coming back full strength.

Brsrkr - January 20, 2012 reply

Did I just see someone seriously drop an "Einstein"?

Dark days, these.

And apparently retro.

TRSChief - January 20, 2012 reply

Very retro

Where’s my mousse?

"Until his injury"

is exactly the point. Whats the average career of a rb these days, 3 or 4 years, thats pretty much a waste of a 1st round pick. And it was working well? The guy never even had a 100 yard rushing game all season, how exactly is that worthy of a 1st round pick?

reply fail

Saints' yards per carry:

Sproles – 6.9
Thomas – 5.1
Ivory – 4.7
Ingram – 3.9

3.9……Weird, that’s the exact same ypc that Richardson got against LSU’s NFLesque defense.

wow, imagine that

3.9 + 3.9 + 3.9 > 10?

I know that Jones at times was 2+2+2+punt

ArrowheadHunter - January 19, 2012 via mobile reply

More like 6.9 > 5.1 > 4.7 > 3.9. All behind the same O line.

If you count injury's the Eric Berry and Tony Moeaki have been bust so far!!!

OJ In Nevada - January 19, 2012 reply

emmitt smith

trent richardson is the next emmitt smith.

always, always, draft talent over need!

michaelaglover - January 19, 2012 reply

so the Saints should trade up to pick Andrew Luck?

Dallas Championships = MASSIVE O-line.

Walter Payton

I have nothing meaningful to say with that.

Sweetness :-)

Yeah the good ole days.

They won a S.B with a one eyed QB so we still have hope:P

hope for our one-armed QB ... sadly he only has his left arm and he's right-handed

The last running back prospect I felt this strongly about was Adrian Peterson. Six teams passed on him. At least half those teams regret doing that.

Exactly. Peterson is a running back who’s never been injured on a team that’s won 12 Super Bowls since he joined the squad.

On a serious note: Total reach in a position of moderate need.

jbj8609 - January 19, 2012 reply

Not for drafting an RB in the first round. Too many late rounders and even UDFA's turn out to be damn good.

Racyman - January 19, 2012 reply

And probably more late round and UDFA RB's turn out to be selling insurance after one year.

It’s definitely more of an art than a science, but you never know where the good/great ones will come from.

LJ- First rounder
Priest- Free Agency
JC- 3rd round
Christian Okoye- Nigeria
Chris Johnson- First rounder
Danny Tartabull- Trade with the Mariners

Do you see what I’m getting at?

Ha!

Recd for use of Danny Tartabull! LOL

Draft a starter

No room for first round draft choices on the bench on this team.

HowSweetItIs - January 19, 2012 reply

Bingo.

def. rusher no dont need off. line we need somw better ones they are getting old. need some new meat on the off. line. some that can hold there blocks longer then 2 sec…

sillybilly6 - January 19, 2012 reply

running backs

we got enough of them need ff. lineman. that can block

sillybilly6 - January 19, 2012 reply

I never seen any this year.

OJ In Nevada - January 20, 2012 reply

also punctuation

#drunj

jbj8609 - January 20, 2012 reply

I have never seen the interview a line man after the game only QB's and running backs,

You need to draft a game changer in the first round.

OJ In Nevada - January 20, 2012 reply

O-linemen

may not be game changers, but they can be SEASON changers. I still remember that 13-3 season when we had the best O-line in football, and everyone knew it. Made Priest Holmes look like AP and Trent Green look like Brady.

I'm not saying we should draft Trent, as much as I love him

However, I remember a lot of people referring to him a big smashy type of back when in reality he is an incredibly shifty back with incredible explosiveness. Just go youtube some of his videos. Look at the ESPN sports science they did on him, and then go look at his NCG touchdown run against LSU. Alabama runs a very similar running game to what we run with a lot of zone type blocking and letting trent and eddie lacy pick a hole and explode. Trent has an incredibly low center of gravity, he will sometimes lower himself to inches off the ground with a wide base, shift fast, and then explode past or through people.

He has a special combination of quickness, speed and power. He isn’t afraid to hit folks but he is so much more than that. He is not a LJ replacement, he isn’t just a beater. He will make more people miss than hit and he will punish arm and shoulder tacklers that don’t fully wrap up.

Evidence number 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fMXHSl-tqg

More
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abk3HgvwEeI

Lastly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfM5XZaFR0

Look Like I said I’d be happy with a great OLine pick, but I will not be unhappy with Trent. If you don’t follow Bama then you may not have seen it as much just catching ESPN highlights. Trent does a lot of things very well, from blocking, catching and running. He is a complete back. He can make an average line look great, Bama’s line has been injured and in flux the past few years a lot, often times running behind freshman.

Trent can easily carry touch the ball 20 to 25 times and we can still give JC 15 to 20 touches. The two of them together will actually make an average QB look good. So don’t be upset if we do take TR3, because he is the real deal.

tebunker - January 20, 2012 reply

Trent haters

I don’t think we should draft him but I also think people are wrong when they say this would be a horrible pick for the Chiefs.

I am pretty sure Trent Richardson will be a stud in the NFL and having Charles/Richardson/McCluster backfield would be amazing.

SwimCoach - January 20, 2012 reply

Agreed

However I am convinced there are much larger needs on this team.

Personally, I’d like to see what can be gotten for #7 and see what offers would be available in a tag-n-trade with Bowe. Not saying we MUST trade Bowe, but if a Jared Allen style deal were available, we’d be silly not to consider it.

Agree w/ the Bowe trade

I love Bowe and think fans are too hard on the guy at times. But I would love to trade up with STL to get RG3 and Bowe could for sure be a part of that trade. The only other way I would trade Bowe is if we can get a 1st and 2nd. Don’t think we can get that much. I wouldn’t trade him for just a 1st. Rather keep him.

SwimCoach - January 20, 2012 reply

Exactly

It can’t be a one pick for Bowe trade. Must be multiple picks and good ones too boot. There are a lot of idiots out there…could Washington be that franchise?

What the...LOL

The Sporting News has us drafting ANOTHER NT named Poe…okay, so the one we got is spelled different, but still…could you imagine the confusion in D-line practice? “Powe, you’re going in…no, not you Poe, POWE!”

On another note...

They got DeCastro going 18th to the Chargers…I think ups would have to cry….

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

Hmmm....

This one also has us taking Dontari Poe, NT, Memphis…is this our biggest PON? (besides QB…)

I've seen Luke Kuechly on numerous boards...

Anyone truly think we go defense with our first pick? Know anything about Kuechly?

http://saturdays2sundays.com/?p=1154

Finally found a mock draft for ups and brsrkr

Decastro, round 1…only one of the first 50 boards I looked at that had DeCastro…