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Ravens Vs. Patriots Open Thread

The Baltimore Ravens will be visiting Foxboro to play the New England Patriots in the 2012 AFC Championship game at 2:00 p.m. (Arrowhead Time) today. The Patriots of course are the AFC's No. 1 seed playing the Ravens who is the No. 2 seed. Exactly the way the seeding said it would be.

This is a classic game of a great defense against a great offense. The Ravens and Patriots have both been in this position multiple times in the last decade so I'm really looking forward to this one. I think the Super Bowl winner is going to come from the AFC (and I'm picking the Patriots to win this game so...).

The game is on CBS. Early thoughts?

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Pats > Ravens

I guess

Ravens need to slap them in the mouf!

It is time to expose the Patriots.

Brian Baldinger actually referred to the Patriots “spread” offense. Criminy, the level of ignorance at the paid “analyst” level on big time TV is amazing. They run a two TE set, fercrissakes. It’s not the friggin’ Thigbone.

Go Ravens!

rich baldinger played for kc right

or did both of them play for kc

Pats 24-Ravens 20
Pats 41

Ravens 14

Or not.

I doubt it gets that out of hand lol

but I do think Brady is going to go show Baltimore that he’s Tom-motherf***in’-Brady.

What, from his back?

Flacco’s 3 & out looked better than Brady’s.

No

It didnt

Who had the better 3 and out?

That a pretty arbitrary distinction isn’t it

We've seen enough to know...
craig what was the parlay this week
I didn't play

I lost my shirt last week. Don’t bet drunk.

or beat with your heart
Game is actually at 2pm

I had 230pm.

way to stay on top of things buddy
rough night last night
Pats win this easily.
You're funny.
Pats won. It may not have

been easy but the Pats>Ravens.

Defense has been the consistent in post-season history

everyone had SF pegged as going down last week and they managed to overcome the juggernaut that is Drew Brees. In the case of Tom Brady and the Patriots thoiugh, I think the experience gives them the advantage over the Ravens.

Plus I think Ed Reed made a foolish mistake trying to “motivate” his QB through the media this week, so lack of a unified front also gives the Pats the edge here.

Patriots 35 Ravens 17

SF defense didn't really win that game

It turned into a shoot out

I love me a good mustache.

…but Flacco just looks like a creepy dirtbag.

Ravens 31 - Patriots 26

- Ray Lewis will pick off Tom Brady
- Ed Reed will force a fumble

- Rob Gronkowski will be the only New England receiver with a TD
- New England running game will almost be a non-factor

============

Now that I have it on forum, it will all be reversed.

LOL @ flaccos molestache

Steven Tyler looks like a grandma

What age does a man become when it no longer is ok to wear nailpolish?

I gotta think Steven Tyler blew past that decades ago.

My ears are bleeding
You should

Probably go to the ER, man!

Why? We AP members are experts on everything.

Surely medicine isn’t the exception. I’m sure someone here knows more than any “doctor” (or at least thinks they do).

cotton balls

and get the hell away from your wife :)

Well thankfully it was Steven Tyler's singing and not my fiancee.

And double thankfully, they look and sound absolutely nothing alike lol

Steven Tyler almost swallowed that mic

Might as well have had William Hung oiut there…

So lets find out if Defense truly wins championships
I don't know why, but IF I had any disposable income I would bet a $100 on Baltimore.....

When I think about it it doesn’t make much sence, but I would….

If you wanna give a hundred dollars away

I would be glad to take it.

I didn't bet today

But i’d have taken Baltimore -8.5.
That’s a pretty big number for a team who (generally) doesn’t get blown out.

flacco is like cassel..

first read then happy feet!

How was that not running into the kicker?
Head butting the foot
Maybe because of the shitty punt

…they thought it was tipped?

there is probably some truth to this
because it's in Foxborough

and they couldn’t get 3 byes into the Super Bowl

Why would the NFL really care if the Patriots made the Super Bowl
They don't

It could be a Jaguar/Seahawk Superbowl and a bazillion people would watch.

Im kinda hoping for a Ravens 49ers Super Bowl
I still think Pats/Giants would be the most exciting.

…but I really don’t care.

I think either would be a good game

But I don’t think the alternate would be as good. I have no desire to see 49ers vs Pats, or Ravens vs Giants

Ed Reed is gonna be pissed.
so is my morning coffee
Yeah, flacco might don't got it
he lost the starting job at Pitt

to Tyler Freaking Palko. And got picked first round.

I wonder if the beat down guys call him Flack hole?
never gets old

What took so long?
I hate logging into my photobucket account

Its actually faster to google the pic

Somebody needs to shop that trucker stache on both of them.
Pollard looked horrible there.
and better there.
Pollard played lights out all year!

He is one of the hardest hitting Ravens on the team and will put a helmet in that bread basket

The Patriots will pick that plan apart
Until that happens...

Flag on the field

Flag on the pick...

Ravens will have to beat the refs, too.

It was a clear penalty
It was a penalty.

You can’t bump a WR after 5 yards, everyone knows the rules.

and it doesn't always get called
It was right in front of the ref
and the holds on Hali aren't?
Ha ok

So he should’ve just let em hold em so they can keep the pick? Halis got nothing to do with a wr-cb out in space

point is, that crossover move

happens and the CB sticks an arm out, and it’s not called as often as it is…

if that ball is incomplete, or caught, there may not have been a flag.

He threw the flag before the pick

It goes both ways I hear ya. But that was just flat out obvious.

some refs let them play

some players/teams get all the calls

Ha poor pollard

Not really

Interception!

………not

180 plays... Thats what about a game and a half?
I think 2Ish

Isn’t offense usually 70-80 plays?

Yeah but you have to double that for offense and defense
Ah

Thought he meant 1rst defensive penalty

Hey that was our LT
got to pull for brian waters today
Why?
Because he was cut by KC

Unlike others who wanted out

So we "got to" pull for any player cut by KC?
no I just got alot of respect for the guy

one of the last great members of the chiefs oline when trent green was qb

and for all we know

he asked to be cut so he could go where he wanted

I think kc decide not to pick up his option year like 3.7 mill
dude was a stud on the chiefs oline one of the last when shields and roaf played for kc
I don't root for Tony Gonzalez
I root for him to lose
me too

Waters didn’t bitch and whine about not wanting to be part of rebuilding teams out in the open like him

I do too but thats because he wanted out

At least Brain didnt just quit on us

Yes, he was.

So, I’m pulling for Will Shields today.

This is 'Merica

Ricky Stanzi says I can root for whomever the hell I want

Early though

How the hell did Riveron get a conference championship game? He’s has to be in the bottom five officiating crews in the league.

Watchin Waters On Nata

Dam he is handling him nicely. Is he really at the end of his career…maybe one more year.

Lost the t.v. signal in Tallahassee

anyone else having problems?

nah, all good here in Winneshiek county
back up now

damn it comcast

Are the Bengals gonna win the AFC North next year?

Pitt and Baltimore don’t look so good anymore

Wouldn't be surprised.

More potential in Cincy then either Pit or Baltimore.

and two top picks coming up

Weapons for Dalton

Yep

They’re a couple olineman and a RB away from a pretty nice offense.

How come everyone is sucking the...

Patriot’s junk? Who gives a care if Brian Waters is apart of the Patriots. I’d rather have a team who hasn’t one anything to make it to the Super Bowl than someone who’s like w/e…I’m an asshole and I fucking win…

Ravens have a sb ring
thank you

and Ricky Williams, sit the hell down. You suck.

Love a good jersey tackle.

One player has a super bowl ring from the Ravens…one player…a lot more of the Patriots have them…I mean not like it matters next year. Kansas City won’t even make it to the playoffs.

KC would make the playoffs

if they got to play Green Bay every week.

Still beat the pack though

LOL

What do the chiefs have to do with this?

I’m assuming your a packer fan. Are you just still upset that the chiefs ruined your season?

Flacc-man-choo

Not looking good

Pioli needs to get a geneticist on staff and clone us a Wilfork.
switch mims then to NT

Chiefs got extremely lucky when beating the Packers. The Chiefs couldn’t beat Pittsburgh, Denver (the first time), the Dolphins, Bills, we almost lost to the Colts, we almost lost to the Vikings, and we almost lost to the Chargers a second time…we’re not good.

I got my tickets to the Oakland v. Panthers game and the Broncos v. Panthers game next season.

Chiefs owned the Packers that game.

The Packers were lucky they were able to keep it close.

Congrats on your tickets to those games though I guess… though no one fucking cares.

Are you a Chief fan?

What are you doing trolling?

Pack(ers)Fan? or Panthers fan?
Oh no we almost lost

Guess what, we didn’t. And that’s with 2nd and 3rd stringers.

Where's the flag?

TOM BRADY threw another pick.

That should have been a TD
Flacco underthrew him by fifteen.

I’m a Chiefs fan…just being realistic. I was raised in Vikings and Chiefs country, but I’m just saying…the only way we can beat these teams is by…

A: OFFENSE
B: QUARTERBACK
C: STANZI

Why is your screen name

PackFan235? Seems odd for a “Chiefs fan.”

We need a "do not feed the troll" poster
Not all fans of "packing" are fans of the Packers lol
2003 Chiefs would like a word with you
I got eddie kennison on line 1
Great

Ask him how it was winning in the playoffs with an Offense

I think green bay beat the chiefs just once when favre played for green bay

Using my girlfriends SB Nation account since we share facebook accounts.

So you screw the Packers, too?
It would be nice if you would learn to use the reply button
How sweet
Well, we already got Jim Zorn last year. Will there be any more Ravens coaching poaching after they lose today?

Jerry Rosburg Assistant Head Coach / Special Teams Coordinator
Cam Cameron Offensive Coordinator
Chuck Pagano Defensive Coordinator
Roy Anderson Defensive Assistant / Secondary
Teryl Austin Secondary
Clarence Brooks Defensive Line Coach
Jason Brooks Offensive Quality Control
Randy Brown Kicking Consultant
John Dunn Assistant Strength & Conditioning Coach
Wade Harman Tight Ends Coach
Jim Hostler Wide Receivers Coach
Marwan Maalouf Assistant Special Teams Coach
Andy Moeller Offensive Line Coach
Ted Monachino Outside Linebackers Coach
Wilbert Montgomery Running Backs Coach
Dean Pees Linebackers Coach
Bob Rogucki Strength & Conditioning Coach
Craig Ver Steeg Offensive Assistant
Todd Washington Assistant Offensive Line
Matt Weiss Head Coach’s Assistant

They ain't gonna lose today.
at the same time... you have the Patriots coaches just in case...

Dante Scarnecchia
Assistant Head Coach / Offensive Line

Bill O’Brien
Offensive Coodinator/Quarterbacks

Scott O’Brien
Special Teams

Josh Boyer
Defensive Backs

Ivan Fears
Running Backs

Pepper Johnson
Defensive Line

Brian Ferentz
Tight Ends

Patrick Graham
Linebackers

Brian Flores
Defensive Assistant Coach

Harold Nash
Strength and Conditioning

Matt Patricia
Safeties

Chad O’Shea
Wide Receivers

Moses Cabrera
Assistant Strength and Conditioning

George Godsey
Offensive Assistant

obviously Bill O'Brien doesn't belong
I could maybe see Pepper Johnson
Well eventually the Chiefs are going to have to make some moves

It has to come from somewhere right?

I think on defense we just promote Gibbs

But then we need a new LB coach.

I'm not a huge fan of the in house promotion options.

I would rather have a new perspective come in.

I can’t get past all the blowouts this season and they definitely need huge changes on offense IMO.

Look at how much time they spent on the field during those blowouts though.

How many three and outs. How many times the offense did nothing. I’m not worried about the blowouts because there was reason for them for the most part. With our DC we’re going to be limited to guys who are willing to run Romeo’s defense so it only makes sense to promote from within and someone who already knows the system. Your new blood can come in the form of another assistant at whatever hole opens up.

I'm all for continuity on defense

but too much can lead to no improvement and in terms of game planning. This defense needs to improve.

Early in the season they were out hustled, and over matched. With the type of offense the Chiefs employ they need a defense that can stay on the field and not give up 30+ points.

Two of those last three games were against the AFC West and I think that can skew our opinions of how good this defense is or can be. The Packers game was an emotional victory and I just don’t want this team going into next year thinking that will be enough to improve, because IMO it simply won’t be enough.

I’m all for Romeo Crennel running this defense, I just want a new coach for him to bounce ideas off of and someone that can sit in the film room and help figure things out before games. They were struggling doing that with Romeo as DC, if he is promoted to HC and everyone moves up a rung, I don’t see how that improves.

But what DC is going to want to come in and run someone elses defense and not even have playcalling duty?
At the same time... promoting a guy just to promote him

makes no sense.

Your question is why Scott Pioli makes the big bucks and I want them to find a match.

Bill Belichick has had no problem finding defensive puppets. Nor has McCarthy or Payton on offense. It can be done and there are some good names out there.

I’m only saying that I am firmly against status quo for this team. It needs some change.

Even your idea of potentially Pepper Johnson

would be a strong addition, though I am also concerned about where this offense is going to head.

Pepper Johnson was a beast Linebacker in Madden 96
A friend of mine just got a retro system

that plays Super Nintendo, Genesis and Nintendo games… it is awesome.

Just played some Madden 97

Vintage Stock is the place to be.
I have a Nintendo and a Genesis...

but I dont have any controllers, cables or games for either.

And yes Vintage Stock is pretty schweet… I gots me a buddy who works at one.

You need to go back down that path... fix em up and enjoy.

Great life decision.

Its not high on the to-do list.

I’ve been reading more than I have in a very long time.

And I get frustrated with old games to easily… though I wouldn’t mind playing some Shinobi or Ninja Gaiden

It is a good time with a few friends...

You don’t have to go all WOW time with it or anything.

Just throw in some Tecmo Super Bowl, River City Ransom, Metroid… Mario games and enjoy.

Hell maybe even some Quack Shot, there are so many ways to go.

peyton manning will fix that
We have talked about Manning Nitemare and I think you know where I stand on that call

if he is available.

I think the Patriots end up winning this game... but to each their own.
Torrey Smith > Jon Baldwin
I really wanted Torrey Smith last year.

Still have high hope for Baldwin though.

My favorite Baldwin has always been Stephen anyway
All the Baldwins are dead?

My girlfriend has had sex with one of the NY Giants players lol on the current roster.

You must be proud.
it's like he just had sex with the giants player
Qué......................?????

I never asked who…I’m afraid its like Eli Manning’s sloppy seconds…

Probably just some guy at the bar

Wearing a giants jersey.

I thought Roethlisberger was a Steeler?
Sure buddy
My 5 Year Old Daughter just realized that I am watching a NFL game without the Chiefs involved

“I don’t like blue or black teams, I want the red team”. “I want the chiefs”.

You know what it is...

RED AND GOLD, RED AND GOLD, RED AND GOLD…

We beat the Packers by luck I saw

Would u happen to know the series record against them…just wondering…not saying it means anything

she'll definitely love the 49ers
It kills me when my four year old daughter asks if the Chiefs are playing today...

She drew me a picture of the Chiefs last weekend.

does it include tebow?
If Tebow isn't in a picture you just have to look for the footprints in the sand...

he is always there.

Playoffs...playoffs...don't talk about

Playoffs…are you kidding me?

rec'd
wait....not this....Moeibus
I'll never get why someone will type rec'd... when you could just rec it
because apers are attention whores
I do both

because when he sees 7 recs, I want him to know that I was one of them.

which is another way of saying what Chiefshero just said
I get no impression that Baltimore is going to win this game.
the field goals are strong with this one
little shotty going to the rams any thoughts

new oc

I live in NJ...Jets fans hated him...
They thought McDaniels was bad?

chiefs need a new OC.

How about those Mizzou Tigers??
HOW ABOUT THEM COWBOYS??????
u a jimmy johnson fan

he coached osu at one time

I don't like NASCAR
I like nascar crashes
awesome

Waiting for the new rankings

I'd guess no higher than #3.

But maybe #4. I’ll bet it looks like this though:

1.) Kentucky
2.) Syracuse
3.) Missouri
4.) Kansas
5.) Ohio State

Brady's audible package is called "Who is Pollard covering?"
or Lewis...

dude is a beast, but slow these days

Yep if Welker doesnt hesitate in the endzone it wouldve been a TD.
"Covering"?

Pollard covers?

rapistberger is "where them white woman at?"
Is it wrong that I chuckled when read this?
no that's perfectly natural
Kind of like what the Chiefs' opponents do to Sabby P.?
Awww, little Wessie didn't get his flag
hue jackson over brian schotteinheimer for oc

if i’m the rams

You don't say?
Wouldn't be surprised to see Hue back in Baltimore now.
Pollard just talks and talks and talks
can he do anything else?
Talk? Or get run over, or run past

Or take bad angles lol

No way Pats don't re-sign Green-Ellis
They don't really value their RBs too much.

I can’t even remember the last RB that they actually extended.

Faulk I think

And maybe dillon for an extra year?

Faulk was cut and brought back.
Nevermind Faulk has been extended twice.

Good call.

Woodhead
Woodhead is still on his first contract.
They have Woohead, Ridley, Faulk and Vereen sitting in the wings

And now are using TEs as RBs.

Jamaal? Was that you?
see chiefs, if you have a good QB, the D will stand back and give your RB some room
Why did the ref pat Ellis on the back?
to see if he was wearing

a wiretap put there by Pioli

I guess the blinds were closed at practice this week in NE.

working so far

The refs are in the Patriot’s pocket..

Just watched that the other day.

“I wake up every morning and I piss excellence.”

Now we got some football being played.
Typical Patriots D...

Time to soften in response to the offense’s success.

They're always soft.
ESPN had a neat stat on how NE has the 6th best TO/Sack ratio on defense

which is what explains how their defense is shittily effective

Funny things happen when you play

with a lead all the time. Look at Green Bay, New Orleans, etc.

WHO DAT!!!

Who said Joe Flacco can’t throw?

Flacco has a great arm.

If you put it on Palko’s body, you’d have a real QB.

palko beat flacco out at pittsburgh

where that film at

because flacco has a good HC and OC

palko had haley and some hibernating bear

Todd Haley

decided to keep the film close to his heart…

Palko-Haley love affair.

cmon man

put something in the subject line Please

I haven't seen anyone complain about that for awhile Steve.

Slacker?

Whats the lack of a subject line do again?
Keeps you from collapsing it.
Got it, thanks.
you can collapse the photos with a sig line
"Good" might be a little bit too much credit for Cameron.
so haley is a better coach than haughball? ( I can never spell his name correctly)
Didn't say that.

Said good isn’t the word I would use for Cam Cameron.

compared to muir, he's good
I would be good compared to muir
A six year old with a Madden controller would be better than Muir.
flacco was a number 1 pick, so what do we get with palko
Keep that in mind when

everyone clamors to trade the farm for a #1 pick… you could get a Flacco.

seriously, where the hell do we keep getting these farms from?
I've got one...

seven whole acres…

do you have a mule?
I've got 1 too!

Mine’s about 4000 acres but I ain’t trading it

In the...

dumpster.

no doubt...

but Palko is QB smart, just no arm. Flacco big arm, kinda not so QB smart… and it was college. The receivers are mostly open all the time.

fuck yeah!

(officially a ravens fan for the day)

I want to see a replay of the last 4 minutes of the 49ers Saints
CBS did a great NFL Films-style recap earlier today
Year of the TE continues
Need more TE's

says Scott Pioli to himself

Im game for another legit TE to pair with Moeaki
I'm not big on joker TEs like Graham and Hernandez though.

I’d rather guys who can block and block from different positions in the formation as well as catch. To me Moeaki > Graham.

how about a gronk?
Gronks a beast.

Can block, catch, runs like a fucking antelope and is unpossible to bring down.

He killed us on Monday Night single handlely

that would have been a different game with Berry. Maybe.

That game would have been different if DJ didn't blow that coverage at the end of the half.
The only problem with that GB

Healthy > Unavailable

Dont start with the "Moeaki is injury prone" nonsense.

ACLs are a complete freak injury.

Moeaki doesn't have any soft tissue reaccuring injuries...

the are mostly bone injuries

I wasn't starting that

I’m a huge Tony Moeaki fan. I’m just saying Graham was out there and that has to count for something.

I’m hoping our guys come back better than ever.

I just like TEs that can do more then catch a ball and that's not Graham

And I’d love to have another one or two. If Grahams QB was Plakko and Cassel no one would have a clue who he was.

If you have one TE that can block, I don't mind the second TE being more of a receiver
100% agreed

TG, Dunn is the model for success, but a do it all guy like Gronk or Moeaki is ideal.

I think this would have been a different season if we went after Heap..
Fleener+Moeaki please
second that
TD Ravens.

Now THAT was easy.

Time to go meet the boys at the brew pub…

c ya.

Go Ravens.

have a riot
It's hard to leave.

Just put my shoes on… maybe halftime.

Should I go see the boys or stay at home with a fridge full of beer and my 55" LED Hi-def?

F me. Gotta work at five, guess it’s on the way.

typical patriots

trying to sneak a 12th player on the field there

how else are they going to set up their satellite surveillance system?
5 extra yards. Might as well on side kick.
Damn pollards ended 2 patriots seasons

Target on your back buddy!

It's actually on his eye.

FIELD GOALMANIA COMING YOUR WAY
They should have challenged that

that looked like he got both feet in bounds

That's what I was thinkin

Soon as the ball touched his hands that’s when the left foot went up

actually

if you go back and look at it and slow it down, his left foot is still on the ground when the ball is in his hands

That's what I meant

Like it came off the ground right after it got in his hands. Surprised the didn’t try it

Look at B Waters stance at right guard...

… he is standing higher than the tackles

he's old. bending over hurts his back
Hard to stand from a crouch when you get old.
But he's a Pro Bowler!
just because he goes bowling on his days off does not make him pro
Lawn bowler?
hobo bowling
Known as simply hobowling to its fans.
fo sho

And the outside:

is this were haley gets his clothes
maybe a ham sandwich too
Soup, I think.
Well he may be on his way to the Super Bowl regardless

Go Brian Waters!

Get that ring.

I hope he gets it
Hopefully the Pats winning the Super Bowl

would light a rocket up Pioli’s ass as well.

how so?
Well, it would be Bill Belichick's first SB without Pioli

effectively helping Scott Pioli look more ineffective.

So in theory that would help Scott want to make his own way even more. Potentially.

Interesting

Word came out that Arizona didn’t bother with Haley because it would be too much of an issue having a former HC coaching under their OC and now they’re looking into Hue Jackson for the same position.

or they figured out he's

a coke-snorting paranoid delusional

That

and what on earth qualifies Haley as a QB coach anyway?

Snap the fucking ball Brodie.

You can’t get more qualified than that.

true story...

if Todd’s defense.

Brodie Croyle needed to snap the ball like Mike Goff needed to come out of his stance.

All I ask is deep threat receiver and an arm to get him the ball
How do contracts work during seasons with injury

Do years come off the contract for injured players or how does that work? Do berry, Charles, etc get to count this year against the contract length?

Schefter calling Mornhinweig the coach to watch for the Raiders opening.

As Chiefs fans we can only hope.

That would make my year.
then perhaps they will hire Matt Millen as Assistant GM
only if they don't ask for references from detroit
art shell for oline coach
This would actually scare me a bit.
In all seriousness the Raiders do have an opportunity to move forward

as an actual pro franchise.

It should be fun to watch what they do. Reggie is a good hire for them and his first Coach will probably find some success out there with the Raiders willingness to spend money if the decisions are better.

That Carson Palmer trade was brutal though.

Coaches tend to be better their second go around...

And Morningweig wasn’t exactly playing with a full deck in Detroit.

Trading that for the Raiders

is kind of Apples and Apples though.

we really don't know how the Raiders will be though
I'm just saying he has proven he can't fix dysfunction

but at least he does have experience.

But we don't really know if the dysfucntion will continue...

You can easily argue that the firing of Hue Jackson was to get rid of dysfunction.

You could also easily argue that the dysfunction

starts with Mark Davis, Amy Trask and goes all the way down to the waterboy and overflows into the fans drinking carnage in the black hole.

Oakland will be a slow turn around and it needs to be done right.

Is Marty Mornhinweg doing it right? Personally, I don’t think so… it would be more questionable than Mike Mularkey in Jacksonville IMO.

I dunno...

Mornhinweg is suppose to be a borderline offensive genius. He’s been working under Reid, and its not like Oakland doesn’t have offensive weapons, and a stout defense. I think the draft picks hurt Oakland more 2-3 years from now more than it hurts now.

The only problem is that Andy Reid won't actually be there

Now, if they hire Andy Reid… maybe they will get somewhere.

I dunno.

Im just not going to make assumptions on a new group because the old group was bad. Not saying that McKinzie will work out because he is from Green Bay, but he has definitely seen one way to do it right.

Reggie scares me and if he believes in Marty

that would scare me a little bit…

But and it is a big but, it is just hard to imagine Marty Mornhinweg fixing the Raiders or any team.

You could have said that about many coaches when they got their second chance
and just as many failures.

I just don’t see the guy as head coach material.

Have you ever listened to him speak in interviews?

That is actually kind of a myth
If palmer wasn't in oakland i could see the raiders going after orton

they still might anyway

Nah.

They have a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th tied up in QBs already.

The Florida Times Union mentions free agents Kyle Orton and Jake Delhomme as two veteran quarterbacks the Jaguars might try to sign.
are they giving up on gabbert?
How would that lead you to that conclusion?

Veteran back up to lead the way.

Kyle Orton isn’t exactly a groomer though. The Jaguars are going to be a mess..IMO

Yep

I don’t see Orton signing somewhere to be a backup. he’ll want starters money and a starting position or at the very least and open competition against a guy he knows he can beat.

kyle orton isn't that old I think he is

29

heard they liked gabberts play toward the end, what do they expect its year 1 with no help

he will be fine and stay the starter they wont bring in orton cause orton wants to start .

they expected cam newton
It has nothing to do with his age...

He is a veteran and I don’t see the Jaguars looking at him as much more than that.

Who knows what MM has up his sleeve out there though?

How many teams could u name where orton would be the starter if he was on there team

probably 10 teams

I just don't think he will start for the Jaguars long term...

he would be a stop gap not a replacement for Gabbert IMO.

LA that is your new team

Enjoy

Jags aren't leaving Jacksonville
You want to bet on that
100 million fine from the city

If they leave before 2030.

WHAT THE FUCK!!!

Why would you disclose that before a bet goes down

I thought it was common knowledge
apparently not

since you see this jaguars are leaving meme everywhere. my bad.

apparently not
they could leave

if they lose money one year, and then are below the revenue average for three. i don’t know what owner would buy a team and wait to leave for four seasons though.

It also makes much more sense regionally to move...

the Chargers or Raiders

baltimore's LT is getting burnt every play.

tell me thats not OHER.

No, he's playing RT

and getting burned over there.

Im shocked NE is taking a knee
Ha DEX!
Did the Pats fans boo about them taking a knee??!?!?!

If so, they are idiots. Protect your lead going into the half.

Especially deep in your end of the field and you're getting the ball in the second half.
Did y'all see the Chiefs in that commercial?
Singing at Jack Stack BBQ
Was it?

Nice

Awesome commercial.
Dex flowers Clark DJ

Who else was in that?

Cassel was there
boooooo tired of seeing cassell related to kc.
Clark hunt was there. Awesome.
Love that the Chiefs got into a commercial...

but let’s not kid ourselves, Jared Allen was the star of that one.

Jared Allen needs to stick to Guitar Hero... Hes a worse singer than even me.
Competition for Manning when he's released

Arizona, Miami, Washington and the NYJ.

baltimore is going to take this game new england is falling into there kind of game.
Eh

nobody makes half-time adjustments like Belichick though. We got to see that first hand this year.

we had palko no adjustment needed just let him screw himself was there game plan.
they better turn it into a shoot out to take away baltimore's run game otherwise ravens D is going to take it.
I got moves like jagger, do you?
RIP JOE.
Flacco isn't dead yet.
not even after that brady pounding?
If the Ravens cant find a way to run the ball they lose this game.

Can’t get into a passing shootout with Brady.

but they have flacco
why are they trying to be cute and run the ball with hernandez?
Ran it 5 times for 61 yards last week i think
because its working
seems kind of stupid doesnt it?

get one of your recieving and matchup problems hurt by getting him pounded? he got hurt last time he ran it against denver. might work a time or two but is it worth it?

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME

FUCK THE PLAYERS. WIN MUTHERFUCKERS

ahh, good old pollard
Yep Bernard "missing tackles" Pollard
Pollard being Pollard
Brady is out for the season?
td here and it's ball game

imo

Why isn't there a Braun Stadium?

That would sound much more manly than Gillette Stadium.

so 5 seconds ago
Ughh, I hate those commercials.

They make me want to kick puppies.

how about a summers eve stadium in oakland?
Braun is a German company...

not that German companies don’t sponsor things in America, and Gillette is based out of Boston

funny the things some of us remember and the important shit we forget. lol

I bet you didnt get the milk your ole lady told you to get on your way home but remembered braun was a german made company.

I did a semester in Germany...

And I bet I could tell you where all the big manufacturing companies are based out of. Not near enough of them are based out of America. As an Engineering major, I make it a point to know what manufacturing companies are American, and who are hiring, and where I could go if I worked for them.

thats cool. maybe its just me then that remembers dumb shit but forgets important shit.
Oh Im the same way...

I just think its important to know what companies are American.

I can tell you nearly every single thing I’ve read under a Snapple lid, but I can’t tell you what the laws of Thermodynamics are.

Are you like Kelly Bundy?

When your brain is full, you have to move stuff out to make room for new stuff?

no just forget shit I dont care to much about lol.

I can tell you what 40 time deion sanders ran at the combine but cant tell you my girlfriends birthday lol. ok bad example I care about that but cant remember half the time.

ok ravens

its the fucking patriots, you should be able to put up 21+ points without breaking a sweat

That Bryant Mckinnie wiff years ago

makes me sad.

Imagine the Chiefs with Mckinnie all this time.

But we did get Ryan Sims so it is all good.

weren't the patriots

10th in scoring defense (we were 9th)?

I thought they said 14th.

Could be wrong, though.

yeah sorry

i just looked up AFL :)

ahhh a fucking flop.

smart but a panzy.

Lee Evans sighting!
shhhh, quiet. This is a rare and shy specie
i like the fundamentals they use when playing.
you mean not giving int?
meant to reply to the picture above.
damn

that was some speed.

he used his inner JC
flaaco with elite throw there
indeed, 3 yards throw is pro bowler
its NE so that will be ruled out at the 3
^ what does this fknguy know
Torrey Smith > Johnathan Baldwin

?

mario williams > reggie bush

? remember how they asked who they should take and if houston would regret this 5 years later. well who would you take now?

haloti ngata?
SO far...yes

But Jonathan Baldwin has a bright future.

The Chiefs needs a baller wide receivers coach. These guys learned a lot from Haley, now someone needs to fine tune that info.

Have to wait......... but i think everybody here is exciting with Baldwin, mostly for that catch against Denver
Im not

I hated the pick when it was made, hate it more now

This kid has a lot of potential.

I just look at Houston and Baldwin as a package.

Overall, I love the picks long term.

and I really wanted Derek Sherrod.
If that was behind the other guys back

Then yes even though flag cancelled the play. That was awesome

Sometimes you have to hug it out with the enemy.

even better it was on dawkins.
no way

Smith is a 1 dimensional deep threat. Baldwin will be fine

He has made some tough catches this season
36% of Baldwin's pro games were with Palko at QB.

It’s way too early to judge him.

Man I don't know who to cheer for.

Tired of the Patriots but despise the Ravens.

cheer for the 49ers
Oh I'm 100% cheering for them later.

Just talking for the game thats currently on :)

i'm too drunk to tell the difference
Cheers to you mate.
ravens win I want a harbaugh superbowl.

well I want san fran in anyways cause if new england wins that would be D vs O

A Kris Wilson sighting.......

Funny how he always ends up on teams running offenses in that tree

didn't he play at pitt
Yeah the legend is

he taught Larry Fitz how to catch

LOL

I thought that was Cris Carter

Yup

supposed to be the future at TE

I LOLed when I heard his name

Can’t believe that guy is still in the league.

whoa

didn’t realize it was bigfoot

crazy he is still playing

he has a total of 10 catches in the past 4 years

I want Bal to win

I really want to see Ed reed get a ring

Any other team with Waters...

I would be rooting for. But not this team

Nice tackle by Pollard
A rare "tackle" by pollard
Pollard

“Ankle killer”

Pollard has played good since he left KC

Pollard> McGraw/Langford/Washington/Sabby

LOL

I would hope he’s better than career backups.

Still, I’d take Lewis and/or Berry over Pollard any day of the week.

sure, he's a starter and all those guys are back ups

but do the numbers bare out that he’s actually been good?

they took down gronk

time for the ravens to win

Pollard does it again
He is such a dick.
It wasn't really a dirty play, he just kinda fell on his ankle.
pollard

taking down patriots team since 2009

Pollard took out Brady

Welker
Now gronk

when need pollard back he takes out new england players
Pollard hates the legs of Patriots players.

forgo the fg and go for it down by 3?

Smart of Reed to to him to get down
Yea I liked that

told him not to waste his breath running pointlessly

Indeed

Classy veteran move.

dont get me wrong, i love berry lewis

But Pollard page had potential

Potential for a whole bunch of missed tackles
and blow coverages.
they won i think two games against the raiders for us with picks in the end zone at ends of games

I really think under herm they would have developed. Are we better off? probably, although who knows who we could have taken with those picks instead

Something tells me the patriots will trade for pollard this year.

Purely out of self preservation.

How come i keep seeing all these EX Chiefs playing today?

Do you want to explain that Pioli

yeah, they are their Team MVP's too!

what an idiot!

???

NO ONE wanted to keep Pollard when he was here. We’re much better off in the safety position now anyway.

Is that you Sabby?
Sabby = Pollard in my book
ummm no
Both take terrible angles

Pollard I guess can cover better and hit better

Nah

Sabby can actually tackle.

He just can’t cover…

A kinder/gentler version.
no way!

pollard is a hard hitter always was, he had zack miller so scared of getting hit all day when he was on oakland he didnt even try to catch the ball toward the end of the game out of fear of getting blown up.

lol

I’m referring to the tandem of Lewis and Berry. Of course Pollard is better than a 3rd/4th string guy. So what?

We never had Tom Brady playing at QB
THANK GOD

we might be competent for a change

did i miss something thought it was an int by the ravens?
false start defense
Pollard strikes again! just crazy...
TD pollard
What?

Is my feed that far behind?

I'm watching the over and over of seeing Brady's knee down.
Brady just went all Tebow on the Ravens
Patriots need to go back to Pat Patriot helmets and red jerseys

I demand it.

I've never heard a play reversal worded that way

“The ruling on the play will be reversed”

he's way short, they lost some distance
Wow

What a stop.

Not that it mattered

Hah.

That is how you make an NFL stop
The next play... not so much/
Tom with the concussion!
Wow, Brady just gave up his body for that TD.
In the playoffs no less

Yeesh.

unlike orton who would wuss out at the last moment
Pretty ballsy having your QB go over the top
I'd like to see a rule change that makes that play illegal
How could you justify making it illegal?
because he's the QB and QBs can't be tackled
I don't know

Play seems almost unfair though as the QB is essentially moving forward as the ball is snapped.

LOL!

What? Why?

I fail to see any logic in that.
I get it

The NFL goes to great lengths to protect the QB. Touch one on the helmet and it’s 15. To much of a double standard.

Sixth Round QB's are wasted picks.

Garbage.

Never start them…ever.

But those 5th rounders, they should at least see the field.

Oh wait….

Yea I know...I mean

How many 6th round QBs have started anyway and been potentially successful

see lewis put his helmet in brady's back?
good for him
Really?

I mean…really?

Free game when the QB is a runner.

Why not?

what is he supposed to let brady walk into the endzone?
might as well call it soccer

oh you got cut by a blade of grass. Free TD

whoa whoa, let's not get carried away

no need to drag soccer into this

meh

it’s football, don’t put your body out there if you don’t want to get hit

meh

It’s common human decency. You don’t wish that kind of unnecessary harm on anyone.

it was necessary. It might have stopped brady
Call me inhuman, but i see very little room for decency in football

I mean, yeah, no one wants to see anyone seriously hurt, but come on, it wasn’t that bad

Yea, typical dirty play.
Id almost rather watch a WNBA game than the Pro Bowl
I'd rather watch the NJ Nets
I've watched them this season a lot

rough going, Brooks is nice though. Humphries loves to run!

Nothing would make me watch a WNBA game.
I was going to say "what if they were shirtless"

Then I realized we were talking about the WNBA and threw up a little.

It would look like shirts skins at your local YMCA.
BS

Hotter girls that play topless. THAT would make you watch a WNBA game.

Same here

that’s why I had to add the other part lol

i rather have those topless girls in my bed
Well make it happen then commish

`and give me a notification.

I rather watch the royals
They should just have the Pro Bowlers do other kinds of competitions

Punt, Pass, and Kick kinda stuff. Have them sprints against one another, do interesting competitive drills, that sort of thing.

It would be way more entertaining.

I really miss that

I was way more entertaining when they had those competitions

Who was that that tore there ACL during Pro Bowl volleyball or flag football?
Robert Edwards
good call

that ruined a lot of the fun.

yeah, he never recovered

had a good rookie year.

Yep
And to a considerable extent, he did, gaining 1,115 yards on 291 carries and scoring 9 touchdowns. But now he is lost for 1999, and perhaps for good because of a freakish knee injury incurred during a rookie flag-football game on the beach at Waikiki during Pro Bowl week.

After four hours of surgery on Tuesday, when surgeons discovered he had injuries to all four ligaments in his left knee as well as nerve damage, the Patriots’ orthopedist, Bertram Zarins, said he was ’’pessimistic’’ that Edwards would play again

Four ligaments is ridiculous though….

Imagine how good the Patriots would have been if that never happened...

scary.

Ricky Williams smoking his way down the field.
He just keeps on rolling...
he's just burning through defenders
vaporizing the defense
rolling the defender up and injecting it into his veins

wait wat?

As Robin Williams said

Wonder if they put a giant Hershey bar at the end of the field to make it a real “performance enhancing drug”.

Brandon Spikes wants a championship
new englands defense

sucks!

Bill played like that all season as strategy.
new englands offense

sucks!

hmm, run run run wins you the game

I know let’s throw it instead

he said tails

i heard him

he said your mama I heard it
Thats Peyton's future job as a Colts ref
Pollard with another play

thought he wasnt supposed to do that

Broken clock... Sun on a dogs ass... Blind squirrel
What?

I said he misses tackles…just because he happened to make a play once in a blue moon dont mean a thing

Don't you understand?

If a player that the chiefs let go ever has even a modicum of success, that means Pioli is the worst GM on the planet. It’s so obvious, right?

Apparently that is true

Worst GM ever

worse than Matt Millen
How about the worst 1 presently employed
Funny

He has 11 tackles today

Yea cuz Green-Ellis is in the secondary and people catch balls in his face
How is that his fault if the LB's give him a free release?

they should be the one’s stopping him. besides, he only has 70 yards rushing

Ok man if you miss Pollard, then ok

He would have wanted to start but I’ll take Berry

and his blown out knee in year 2
pollard again
Pollard strikes again
WOW

Goodness. What great game this is…

I had no idea that Rickey Williams was a Raven before today
Same here

Dude is still a hell of a runner.

because

Look at those...bombs
Those are some high explosive (HE) boobs!
Forget Snakes on a plane..

I like BooBs on a BOMB!!!!!

The draw play is so lethal.
Bill?

Is that you?

Funny, I didn't either
ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND

the pats going to the SB

Good chance. Still, they're gonna be reluctant to put it in the air, which might give the D a quick 3-and-out.
Or they'll just pass it immediately

I thought you were right…That’s the Pats for you thoguh.

I was wrong. But when they ran on 2nd, the Ravens were loaded for it.
Vince Wilfork

kinda sucks

Vince Wilfork is a man amongst boys out there.
Wilfork is such a beast

We really need a legit NT.

I don't get not going for the 51 yard field goal. Is it really windy?
Wind at their backs. Still, I can understand not wanting to pin your hopes on a 51-yarder.
cundiff 1-6 this season from 50+
So much for reluctance to pass.
no wonder his name is joe failure
That last play is hard to pin down on flacco. The center got OWNED.

Though the INT was pretty rough.

Wish Haley wouldve meshed better with the players

Pollard looks good next to Berry & Lewis…

"next to"

as in just as good as them…or in addition them as some sort of 3rd safety…?

come on bert!

win this thing.

Ed Reed saves the day
Joe's time to shine
the pats are going to get burned

playing these wr’s as corners

troy brown says they might not.
yea, it got them nowhere in 03 and 04

….oh wait

This crowd is average
it's cold
only 28

not too bad today.

Eddleman matched on Boldin

sound it out does it even make sense?

Lets go Ravens!

I really hate the Patriots

i hate both of them. Go chiefs
u a sacremento kings fan

use to be the kansas city kings

No

I stay away from basketball. I only have time for one sport. I didn’t know the Kings were originally from KC though.

orginally from Rochester

then Cincinnati, then KC, then Sacramento.

oh snap

come on ravens, anyone but the patriots.

not looking forward to a Niners Ravens Bowl.....
give brady 20+ seconds and its game over
the lord giveth and moore takenth
If it was the Packers, that would be a TD
MISSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Same Cundiff different team.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

suck it joe failure

cundiff just lost a job
Ray Rice looks lost
wow linn elliott moment

Bal I feel your pain

Whoa whoa whoa...major AP rule violation.

and missing a game-winner is not even close to as bad as the unholiness committed by he who shall not be named.

tebow works in amazing ways
Holy crap.

I feel pretty bad for Cundiff going into that locker room right now.

he's going home, clearing out his house, and moving to witness protection
LOL

Hope he doesn’t live in downtown Baltimore or anything like that….Yeesh.

Had they won it in regulation this wouldn't have happened

You know u can’t leave ur season in the kickers hands or foot in this case…

That's why they went for it on 4th and 6.
And a serial killer is born
LOL
is it pollard?

he killed 3 pats already

You can't kill the Gronk

He’s indestructible

Whole Ravens team looks stunned...thousand yard stare

Suggs was like “oh my god” lol, how about lee Evans holds onto that catch and game is over ….can’t blame cubs off that wasn’t even a good hold, still not as bad as tony room fumbled snap. I felt terrible for him

Welcome to Kyle Ortons world Joe Flaaco
Ravens needed more Matt Stover
Hopefully the giants win and we get a decent SB
No I'd rather see San Fran, giants suck
Looks like Waters will finally make it to the SuperBowl.

Lets hope the 49ers win

I was hoping for a 49ers/Ravens game...

but expecting a Giants/Patriots game. Really I just wanted anyone but the Patriots(it would be nice to have some new blood in there).

We'll...

I’m going for a Giants/Patriots rematch now

49ers/pats

fuck the giants

boy he missed that one bad
looks like the ravens now have a kicker who shall not be named
it's ray finkle all over again!
Wow that was awkward.
That was awkward between Kraft and Bledsoe

Wasn’t expecting to see guys kiss On the cheek, manhugs are good enough lol

About the only thing wrong I saw was not bouncing Flacco outside more often.

Wilfork was crushing pocket, but Flacco should’ve bought more time by moving around, especially against the 3-man rush. Looked like a nervous OC was his own worst enemy.

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