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Giants Vs. 49ers: Game Time Is Here

We're one game down on Championship Sunday as the New England Patriots held on to beat the Baltimore Ravens, 23-20, in the AFC Championship game.

Up next is the NFC Championship game between the New York Giants and San Francisco 49ers. The game will be on FOX at 5:30 p.m. (Arrowhead Time).

I'm very shaky on this pick but I'm taking the Giants. I kinda get the feeling they're on a similar run as the one they had four years ago when they won the NFC Championship game and went to the Super Bowl beating the -- wait for it -- Patriots!

Early thoughts on the game? I want to see this 49ers defense.

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Giants win it all.

My prediction heading into the playoffs was Pats-Giants in the SB with Giants winning it all.

49ers with their D will beat the giants
I think Giants win easily

I knew it was gonna be the Pats in a close one

F the giants

Go San Fran! First time i post first

Guess I wasn't first : (
frank C is a horrible comedian

sit your ass down

This should be a good one.

First game sure was.

Giants-Patriots Would Be A Great Rematch

I’ve also heard (don’t know if it’s true) that the Giants had 100:1 odds this season on winning the Super Bowl.

I like the Giants in the rematch too

I’m not sure why the Hoodie feels he needs to get so cute using converted QB to WR’s covering Boldin. You can’t tell me they can’t find a DB on their practice squad or free agency.

That sounds like its not true at all
Niners

And it appears as though the Patriot way still does work.

I wanna see this Patriot way work minus Tom Brady

Not saying it can’t work but seriously….Cassel is not Brady as Pioli seems to want to believe

Brady sucked that game!
And they still get 23....
When has Pioli

ever said that he thinks Cassel is Brady

I never said he did. I said he seems to think it

I just want him to see Cassel is not going to turn out like Brady did in NE and get someone else to start for us

keep orton please

get rid of your ego pioli

Well Orton might not stay here. I think we should try to get another veteran to compete

if he doesnt

I don't know why you people don't understand this

The HEAD COACH is the one responsible for who plays, NOT the GM. It’s not Pioli’s call on whether Cassel starts or not.

Cassel Stanzi Palko

Who organizes that roster?

The head coach

The GM gets the players, the coach then sets the depth chart

The GM gets the players?

So I am saying that he should get someone else to start. I know the coach decides who starts.

who else was available?

and when the one person became available he signed him

You are talking in a past tense

I am saying he should get someone else to start

like who

Give me some examples

Jason Campbell is one

Try to convince Orton to stay around is another. Just want to see someone compete for the job because Palko and Stanzi cant beat out Cassel

Jason Campbell? Are you serious

You’re complaining about Pioli not making moves when it’s impossible to make any moves right now. Stanzi didn’t start because of that asshat Haley. Palko has no business being in the NFL

You said examples

I want someone to compete. I am not talking NOW either. Im talking in the near future before next season. How do you know Stanzi was even NFL ready? Palko wasn’t either but he really might not have been NFL ready.

Mind you, I still think Pioli knows what he is doing. Just want a roster with a QB to compete with Cassel because of those 3, I would take Cassel

and

Im sure he will as soon as someone better is available

I am sure he will too...well I just really hope he does honestly
For the record, I never wanted to Stanzi to start over Cassel if that means anything
I don't think it is so cut and dry...

There are exceptions and differences throughout the league.

Also, I don’t think any team does it 100% the same every time no matter what. That is why these debates are silly.

The term team means just that, sometimes it is just team decisions.

Yea that makes sense too.
So who signed Palko

Who traded for Cassel? Who released Gaither?

Who?

who has Pioli passed on that would have been better than Cassel

What?? I am saying I want him to get someone else to start for us
why is there booing during the anthem

i r confused

Because it's San Fran...

It’s Oakland only with different colors.

Hope they can keep the lights on.
they paid the light bill early this month
Defense wins championships

Patriots won today because of their defense not their offense

Ravens kicker did his part as well.
Meh

I think the “Defense wins championships” mantra has largely been dropped. You need a good balanced team on both sides of the ball.

Not so much a balance as neither side can suck.
Here here.

I think we’ve seen the fact that balanced play is the way to go. The days of the Greatest Show on Turf and the Steel Wall are gone.

Won't cheer for Ray Lewis

but I will for Patrick Willis. Go 49ers!

Giants

They have the best chance to beat the Pats with their offense.

I’m so sick of the Patriots!! Even though Belichick will go down as best HC in history of NFL football. He could and actually does run that franchise his way from drafting to trades to calling plays.

I don't hate the Patriots

but I am jealous as hell.

Yeah

I just think everyone buys into the Patriot Way. No it’s not the Pats way…it’s Belichicks way!

Not Pioli, not Mangini, not McDaniels, not RAC, not Weis, not O’Brien, not Peas, not Dimitroff, not anyone!

It’s Belichick and Brady. Everyone else just benefits from the genius.

Pioli can’t turn us into a dynasty…he didn’t turn the Pats into one. Belichick and Brady is the common theme from all Super Bowl appearances.

Meh...

Kent Babb tried to tear down Pioli’s shot at building a dynasty… If it doesn’t succeed and Pioli can hire some good coaches for Romeo… the opportunity is still there for the taking. Kansas City can be a great team, they need to make the moves though.

Everybody has a role in the Patriots success, Bill Belichick is just a master at fitting people into his program and getting the best out of them.

Having Tom Brady around makes everything easier, but even Belichick almost won with Cassel.

No it's Lets hit the lottery and get a HOF QB in the 6th round way
There are a lot more 1st-round QBs than Championship QBs, with Brady in the latter group.
I don't hate them

I just think it’s fun we might be watching the best coach/QB combo ever, in their prime.

My prediction: Manning goes 12 for 12 on 3rd down.

My prediction

Eli wins another SB, and idiots everywhere will say he’s the better Manning.

Sounds like

An “In the year 2000” prediction from Conan.

craig no action on this game

what was the spread

already wrong
"Maybe the best ILB tandem in the league"

Seriously, who compares to those two after this year?

DJ and Vontaze
Can you get that man some weed?
Bruce Arians to the Chiefs?

How about those apples?

His play calling is stale and predictable

Sounds like a perfect pick up for us

Perhaps..

but the guy is a true pro play caller and would bring a great new perspective to the Chiefs.

For what the Chiefs are trying to do, I think this could be an ideal hire. I’m ready for them to do something…anything.

Perhaps Scott Pioli will hire Kirk’s son from Baltimore.

Kirk’s son from Baltimore. New England

did he just use

the cameraman as a prop lol

Davis a WR playing TE
was that sabby in coverage
Thats a dumb penalty

Especially if it’s no TD

that ball should be coming way back
why is it unsportsmanship to get on that platform

but not to leap into the crowd.

What I was wondering too...
Getting in the crowd is a gesture of goodwill towards the fans

Tradition too probably

lame.

packers have all sorts of exceptions grandfathered in.

This really is the year of the TE.

Goodness. Can’t wait to get Moeaki back.

Well if this was the year of the TE

That means Moe missed it :(

Are you suprised by that?
Wha?

???

The guy is a fragile as fine china
Well I know he was injury prone

but come on…ACL happened to a few of our guys

Freak stuff

A cheap shot to the knee, slipping on a 1st down marker. I can’t figure out how Moeaki even got hurt he just dove out of bounds

I agree actually...

His injury was…not like the freak situations EB and JC suffered..

Didn't he have knee problems the whole offseason?
Well I think he did...Haley wanted to condition him I guess
ya he had offseason knee surgery

His medical is a mile long

2009: Missed three games due to an ankle injury.

2008: Limited to nine games due to nagging injuries, including a concussion, hamstring injury and recovery from a fractured foot.

2007: Received a medical redshirt following four games due to a broken wrist dislocated elbow. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/563070

I liked the pick, good risk reward scenario

There were similar questions about Gronk too, see how that worked out. Not getting a back up however was a huge mistake

Not when Aaron Hernandez was there and you didn't have to trade up to get him
Best blocking TE in the draft,

Aaron Hernandez had character concerns

If Tony Moeaki comes back healthy he could have a better overall career...

They are both world beaters though.

yes i said the same thing i thought it was a twisted ankle it was a fluke injury
He is the human gingerbread man

getting too cute
That was Haley-esqe
Why would you do that in the rain
Why am I having a Hard time understanding why the Chiefs can't beat any of these teams today

cept New England Maybe

Thats easy

No QB

SNAP

Thanks Saint :)

Tell me Saints, you are made Chiefs GM, How do you fix this team?
I would trade my soul to get Andrew Luck
As long as it doesnt cost us any draft picks, I'm in for that.
Wed have to gut the team for that and considering the other holes we have its simply not worth it
How do you figure that?

Keep our guys signed spend some money in free agency , find a couple of gems via undrafted guys. It’s not that big of a deal guys

So in the first play of his career

Andrew Luck suffers a freak neck injury and he can never play football, you’re Chiefs GM, with no draft picks and no QB, no what do you do?

Become Denver's GM?
Ok, first of all

How many times in the history of the league has that happened to a QB? The chances of that happening are slim to none. Second, how good are the chiefs going to be with Cassel at QB? Look at the williams trade, the Saints were fine after that trade

I'm just playing a game, seeing what you would do if you were GM in certain scenarios

None of this adheres to reality

Good damn thing

We are AP

So I guess I should lay in bed all day

I could fall down the stairs and break my neck. Maybe I should only eat yogurt, afterall, I could choke to death on solid food. There are risks in life, do you not take any because the worst possible thing can happen?

Whilst I was arguing in the extreme

Would you want a GM who took those sorts of risks, and put the team’s future on the line?

McDoogie did last year in Denver

They won a playoff game

What is this teams future without a QB
If Luck is as good as you say then why wouldnt the Colts want Tamba,JC,and 2 1st rd picks ?
Willie come on!

He only has to trade his soul. The others can stay

My soul

Carr, Dorsey throw in a Studabaker 2 number 1;s, 2 number 2’s and a 3rd round pick

Surely your soul is worth more than those other things
If it ain't, I'm out.
All we have to do is sacrifice a Saint Chiefs fan?

:)

seems like a good deal...

Where should we have the ceremony?

Arrowhead Denny’s?

The porta-pot at the edge of Arrowhead's parking lot

We can let the Cougar clean up the mess

Can we get the Chiefs to run drills there at the same time?
We don't have a QB

capable of hitting the shitter consistently

I disagree

Palko played like he was consistently hitting “the shit” while on the sidelines.

key word

consistently

If we had a consistently slightly above average QB we have it made

Realistically

I see the Chiefs digging through the bottom of the draft for a QB.

They will make a go at Kyle Orton, keep/trade Matt Cassel depending on that outcome and draft a QB.

The Chiefs are in a QB pickle.

The biggest addition to this team regardless next season is Jamaal Charles and the new OC. This offense will improve no matter who the QB is IMO.

But

Tight-ends score all the Touchdowns

That is why Moeaki is in the rehab zone already.
Coming to an Arrowhead Stadium near you

Another nine months and Jamaal will be re-born

Hopefully the way we remember :(
2010 seems like years ago
It was and he will be coming back to a totally different squad :)
Do it...

We don’t need you to have a soul, but the Chiefs could use a QB.

Make the call.

I got the devil on speed dile
ya know I am just funning Saint

I wouldn’t sacrifice any Chiefs fans, now Raiders fans……

Hey what about Saints fans?
Or are they like gingers and have no souls?
this

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/10/17/2497020/2-drafts-for-luck-not-as-crazy-as-it-sounds

hey now, no self promoting on AP

and

And what if he bombs?

The next Leaf or Jamarcus Russel?

We can trade him to the raiders and get saints soul back.
he isn't going to be trust me
Him being a bust is not an option for Saints fan.

He is already the best to ever play… duh.

I would love to have Luck, but unless the Colts accept Saints soul… it ain’t happening.

If they had my soul

I could be like those ghosts from Return of the king I would be unstoppable

They're only super good in the movies though, not the books
Year of the tight end you say.
I think Pioli should draft 4 of them
Who is the best tight end in the draft Steve?
most rounded?

The kid from Carolina?

then Fleener
and then the Georgia dude

some decent WR/types scattered amongst the late round

Evan Rodrigez

i like him in the later rounds

That might be the guy
We can have them all

booooohhhaaaaahhhhhaaaaa!

line some of them up at Tackle eligible and nickel and dime our way down the field
Marenari in the flat
Egnew in the slot
you know we are probably recreating a Pioli wet dream :(
Now we are trading two drafts for Dwayne Allen

Duh

Ladarius green could be an option
yep

Louisiana-Lafeyette

hmmm. I haven't seen much on the kid
Interesting

seems a little light.
WR wanna be's

quite a few of them too

reminds me of Aaron Hernandez

I went ballistic when the Chiefs passed on him for moeaki

We know
no we don't Steve...

Saints, please tell us about the time the Chiefs didn’t draft Aaron Rodgers Hernandez.

Gather around everyone… criss-cross apple sauce hands in your laps. Story time!

Turnover by SF this drive
I hope NY wins

Pats vs 49ers…blah

Either way it is blah...

Harbaugh is a better story than Eli though IMO. However, either Super Bowl will be a snore fest.

Giants vs pats

I disagree, it won’t be the drama of the 07 matchup. But it will be a good game. 2 elite qb’s going at it should be a good game

I think the Patriots will beat either team...
IDK

They really struggled today and Manning is a much better QB than Flacco

Joe Flacco and Eli Manning are pretty similar.

Some days they both look like studs, while most days they look incredibly average or terrible.

The Giants have a good defense… The Patriots have better coaching.

This is Tom Brady’s Brian Waters year, I don’t see either team beating them.

no way man

Manning is better than Flacco and it’s not even close.

I don't think so...

Maybe if Manning wins another Super Bowl.

Joe Flacco has been on a playoff ride out there in Baltimore since his first year. If his kicker was any good he might be punching a Super Bowl win in a couple of weeks.

Eli Manning is not very good, he is so inconsistent and is finally having a decent year after all the hype. In 2007 that defense won the Super Bowl coupled with pedestrian throws by Eli. That David Tyree catch was a garbage throw.

Neither are that good...

but both are better then what we have had in KC. Sadly.

I think Orton is just as good as either of them and theyve been given much more support than he has .
I think they are both more clutch than Orton

but that is a pretty valid argument.

ok put the crack pipe down :)
manning is very good

Yes ,they both are better than what we have ,and incidently both are 1st round picks

I'm pretty meh on both of them

Sure they are both first round picks, but neither one of their teams traded two drafts to obtain their rights.

Though the Giants gave up a bunch.

I will never be a big Eli Manning fan, I think he is a piece of crap so I might be a bad person to debate with about him. Joe Flacco is a serviceable QB that has been given a lot of tools and has still fell flat do to his play combined with crappy play calling.

They are pretty similar to me.

If I had to choose one, I would start Tyler Palko…. Okay not really. I would pick Eli Manning, but only because he finds his receivers better under duress. Then I would promptly commit suicide.

LOL they both are capable but lets be real look at how much theyve been given and what theyve done with it

There are quite a few other Qbs who could win if you consistently gave them good defenses and running games.

Flaaco felt some of what Orton felt driving his team down with a chance to win and then having the kicker miss the kick .

These guys are not carrying teams just playing there role and there quite a few other Qbs capable of doing that .

Eli I must say has gotten much better than what he was early in his career but Flaaco is wasting opportunities other Qbs would kill for . Ray Lewis is basically at the end of the road what will they do the next few years

other than today

he has played awful in the playoffs http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FlacJo00/gamelog/post/

vs Manninghttp://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannEl00/gamelog/post/ It isn’t close

shit, flacco best playoff games was against us
Thank you very much Ms. Lippy!

Brady seemed off on his timing

he won’t in two weeks

He'll re-program himself
yes

or sew up his fractured arm ala Rambo and Dalton

the Patriots are going to definitely win the Super Bowl.

I don’t think we will see that “off” Tom Brady again… more like Broncos Tom Brady and that Brady will beat either the 49ers or the Giants IMO.

He beat the Chiefs in only half a game :(
I think they lose as that defense collapses in the SB
The front line held up very well and pressured Flacco
I don't see that... Bill will have that defense ready.

Neither the Giants or the 49ers are that explosive, though the 49ers looked dam good against the Saints.

he beats the 49ers hands down

I think the giants beat the Pats

If Harbaugh can game manage his group of mis-fits to the Super Bowl

He will find a way to win it

Hopefully Harbaugh encourages more QB's to get into coaching.
Trint
I think Rich Gannon might be a good one...

Trent might do okay.

Davis is a loose cannon

Harbaugh might want to lash him down to the deck soon

I'm still waiting for Tynes to come back to bite them like cundiff bit the ravens

I think he’s a terrible kicker

Billie was not a Hero today
My god Cruz is a beast
Ah this thread is safe

seems like a case of the disappearing posts on the front-page.

What was that Stephen King Movie

Blank-knockers

TommyKnockers
thanks

AP’s edges are sliding away.

it is safe here!

I guess it's time for a snort.

Bought some Jim Beam the other night. Usually don’t have any around the house, but when I do, I seem to find excuses to take a sip.

I knew there was a reason why I like you Mills. Have a sip on me.
Nice run

and those lineman got out there and beat some Dlineman

haha Davis again I likee and I want me one of those
That Vernon Davis is looking much improved.

I’m pretty sure that bust label is no more.

All of these good 49ers games make me think about the 80's watching Joe Montana dominate.
Why is this thread so quiet ?

Nice pass by smith, Davis is a beast, thought he was overrated. Guess I was wrong

It is pretty quiet isn't it?

You would think it would be poppin

Where the hell yall been :)

we have negotiated world peace and extended the Mayan calender too

Good!

Now I may live long enough to see the Chiefs win a superbowl. Appreciate it.

If you live until February 2013 you will.
Saints sold his soul for Andrew Luck

now Chiefs Nation is content.

When is Eli gonna throw one of those interceptions ?
Probably now that you said that he will.
So Chip Kelly going to Tampa Bay?

wonder if his offense will work in the NFL

La Michael headed for Tampa with Blount?
Crazy talk HIV
Oregon coach Chip Kelly is reportedly nearing a deal that will make him head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, according to KGW TV in Portland.

here

I wish our d-line could bring pressure.

I know the line isn’t supposed to bring a ton of pressure in the 3-4, but some would be nice.

we play similar to San Francisco

they have better talent on the front seven.

We are catching up though

Maybe a dominating Nose would change the deal

I am all for improvement

Jerrell Powe...
We could go Powe-Poe

and slap the cuffs on the enemies offense

Might be a nice post idea CBO

which position would MOST affect wins in the 2012 season

QB *sigh*

what a bummer

besides that one

sigh

a double NT alignment :)

almost better than a 2 TE set

Special Teams blocking...

is going to make the biggest impact on the team next season.

I'm surprised we didn't see more scrambling on purpose, today.

I guess I can understand it in Brady’s case, but if Wilfork’s gonna just push the center back all day long, I’m not parkin’ MY QB there in the middle. Just looked dumb. Either double Wilfork, or plan to roll out. Flacco reminded me of Cassel, at times, today. For Pete’s sake, there’s only 3 of ‘em and they’re FAT. Make ‘em run around, but do NOT force the pass out or stand there like a stump waiting for somebody to come open. Those guys can’t get to you, if you just slide one way or the other.

4 elephants

with two gazelles off the edge

That's right. They're running a 4-3, these days.

I see Wilfork there in the middle and just see him as the middle, and so they must be in 3-4.

Still, they only sent 3 a few times, and it really did mess with Flacco, when Wilfork

was just running the C straight back about 9 yards.

same with Ravens

4 DT’s front

I think we saw a lotta ambiguous nickel packages.

Interesting. I think of Baltimore as 3-4.

I think that will be between running back and safety

as in how Eric Berry and Jamaal Charles return. If they can’t come back strong that will affect wins more than anything else.

Outside of that, I am going to say RT. If the Chiefs can block better and not look like Eli Manning just did sacked every play, then the Chiefs will win more games.

RT is vital to the Chiefs winning football games no matter who the QB is.

Richardson was the RT in 2010 when we won 10 games
True and if you remember I was high on replacing Richardson after 2010 as well...

I think the Bill Muir move stunted his growth along with JC’s injury exposing his weaknesses in run blocking.

I think Barry is more than capable, but this team needs elite pass blocking with it’s shelf of QB options. He will never sniff elite.

A lot of games this season Barry was awful and hard to watch. Barry Richardson with help from a TE like Pope equaled a sack for the other team more often than not.

I was with you on the B-Rich thing, but then you seem to conclude that B-Rich is Muir's fault.

I don’t follow that chain of reasoning. You don’t like the RT, so his coach just has to go?

No I think Bill Muir is a good line coach

and I think his move to OC hurt Barry… that is just a guess, but Barry’s overall progressions slowed this season.

Maybe he was playing hurt or something, but his technique was bad and he was flagged a lot on important drives. That is a coaching glitch IMO.

Yeah, the coach can only do so much with what he is given.
I don't think Pat Perles was a good line coach at all

and he got to big for his britches filling in for Muir’s duties this season.

That hurt Barry Richardson's technique

and perhaps Ryan Lilja’s as well/

Could be. Good points.
when we lost Moeaki and Charles the O changed for the worse
definitely...

This year we get them back and I want KC to give them some new talented teammates and coaches to further their development

I'm more with Steve_Chiefs: RT may have the biggest impact, this year.

It makes taking OT in the 1st tempting, but to the point of maybe not being enough. I might just draft AGAIN, just to make sure. Watched 1st-rounder Nate Solder sucking at RT, today. Seems like New England is always looking for that RT. I think that with the combo of perimeter weapons on offense and a top-flight 4-3 defense, that could end up biting Brady, the same way it did last SB we saw with these two teams. But I don’t see the ’9ers going quietly into the night.

In Zone Blocking schemes good OT and G's can be found in later rounds with proper development

This team is in need of some new coaching and a few new pieces on the line.

It doesn’t necessarily need to be a first round pick, but the Chiefs need to upgrade a right tackle and left guard at some point. That is undeniable.

I’m anxious to see David Mims this offseason, but I want the Chiefs to bring in some new blood starting with coaching the line. With Muir likely retiring and Perles fired, that is going to happen and it is exciting.

agree

cmon Pioli find an OC you like and get busy

Agree. I'm not too keen on Martin/Reiff in the 1st, anyway.

I’m totally OK with a 1st for an elite left tackle, or even mid-1st for a sure-thing RT. But I don’t like seeing guys who have to work on some things to round out their game being taken in the 1st.

That said, until you ARE asserting yourself up front MUCH more than KC’s OL has in the past few years, it’s hard to say ANY OL pick is overkill. Get it RIGHT at LEAST once, before counting on your coaches to turn pig’s ears into silk purses.

Honestly

I would like to see a trade down, but if they don’t I want them to take the best ZB lineman available.

Depends what happens in FA.

But where they sit now, yes.

absolutely

Hopefully the Chiefs at least try and excite us in free agency…

Free Agent Wish list.
Dwayne Bowe
Brandon Carr
Jovan Belcher… maybe
Wallace Gilberry… he has potential
QB (Kyle Orton? Meh…)
RB (Back up)
G
RT
DT
ILB
S
Blocking TE
Players that can block on special teams

we only have 45 Active roster spots
and some Chiefs need to hit the door. If at first you don't succeed

blah blah blah

Cmon Man

we have contracts with quite a few players.

not nearly enough O-lineman but the roster is not capable of a total overhaul

I don't want a total over haul

those are just the positions that need to be explored.

I’m pretty happy with the roster for the most part.

if we hit on 66% are we good?

upgrading UDFA and street FA with some spots

Exactly, the Chiefs don't need to re-invent the wheel

just re-up some quality coaches, get in a full offseason and see some healthy returns with a strong draft and free agent class.

This is very capable of being great next year… don’t get me started.

Bah, the wheel is so old

It needs an overhaul.

I mean look at it. It just sits there all round and rolling.

It’s long overdue for an upgrade, imo.

I don't want to see:

Kelly Gregg
Tyler Palko
Sabby Piscetelli
Jon McGraw
Jeremy Horne
Jerheme Urban
Donald Washington

Those are off the top of my head
Either B-Rich or Lilja have to go.

cutting depth and gunners?

McGraw is alright as a backup, Gregg too, Washington is alright.

We have to go 3 deep or we get a Piscatelli

Our special teams is not good at blocking for Javier Arenas

I want replacements,

Kelly Gregg was terrible at times, decent at times. I don’t want him near this team ever again.

None of those players are must haves and should be replaced. It goes along with this team having a new identity.

Those special teams gems are available in free agency. Let’s find some new ones. Plus other Chiefs leaving grants room for other players to step up.

This team needs new better depth.

I'm not as critical of Horne or Urban.

I think you get some other things going right and you start liking these guys a little bit more. Urban just does his job. Horne’s an exceptional athlete, who may yet rub out that rawness.

Yeah I've wondered more than once how well Orton with his stronger arm could utilize Horne on a go route.
Urban is talented on the practice field

not on the the grid iron.

Plus he can’t stay healthy. Jeremy Horne missed on some critical plays and is easily replaced.

I wouldn’t mind giving his ST’s spot to Quentin Lawrence.

by Chief-blinders-on: QB is another position with FA upgrades available.

I would be looking at ALL the possibilities there, including Flynn and Henne. I don’t think KC’s in position to make a big splash at QB in the draft, and they could use somebody who’s set a solid floor as a vet, to push Cassel.

There are quite a few quality FAs out there, and none of ‘em look like they’ll be easy to sign. And whomever they sign will ease affect the decision-making process in the draft.

I feel pretty much the same way

but those FA QB’s are not very tempting.

Scott Pioli needs to earn his money by signing some of those hard to sign players. That is why we wanted the guy in the first place. He is suppose to be among the best.

FA’s being hard to sign should never be an excuse.

Nope. Not an excuse. Just a good reason to cast a wide net.

Plus, I’m one who sees more good QBs than there are good teams for ‘em to play on. And a lot of good QBs are underrated because they played for bad teams. Sometimes, you don’t know a QB is any good until you see him join a team that plays to enough of his strengths. Heck, for overall understanding, arm strength and mobility, Donovan McNabb is prob’ly ahead of Kyle Orton, but you’d never know it, because he wasn’t quick enough to perform miracles in his last couple stops.

Mills:

I have stated many times this season, that I think the problem with the line was blocking scheme and coaching.

Several plays there was either a penalty or a lineman would seemingly be out of place with no one to block. That is a coaching error and one I blame on Todd and Scott for promoting Bill Muir when he was doing fine coaching the line in 2010.

The Chiefs created a problem where they didn’t have one and it shows with Perles getting fired and the talk of Muir retiring from the team.

The players are accountable too and the Chiefs need to re-shuffle the deck on the line. Try out Mims during the offseason, look at some available free agent OL and draft a couple quality ZBing big men in the draft to develop.

Jamaal is their bread and butter and they need to be ready for his return along with giving him a new partner in crime not named Thomas Jones. Though I do think Jackie Battle showed some potential, I would like the Chiefs to sign or draft another runner to complement JC.

agree

bring in a FA and a draft pick and shuffle the deck for the best 5 players

BUT, we need to indentify what we want to do best

Run the ball or throw the pass and live with that decision

AND that goes for whether we are an Offensive team or a Defensive Team

:)

Once they get the coaches we can figure out who will go best with the new coaches

until then we are trying to find a light switch in a strange pitch black bathroom

every team has either an offensive lean or defensive lean

in 2010 the Chiefs were Rushing/Offensive leaning.
in 2011 the Chiefs were run stuffing/Defensive leaning

we need an Identitiy

agreed...

Hopefully next year the Chiefs are what the 2011 could have been with less injuries and a better coaching hire on offense.

I wouldn't look for just the one or the other.

In the 1st 3 rounds, I expect the guy to be good at whatever I ask him to do, and I picked him because I believed he could do what I was asking.

I dunno, Chief-blinders. Could be they were bent outta shape by moving Muir to OC. But what do we really know about the actual division of labor that took place? Did they hire an extra guy to pick up some of the slack, when Weis left, or did they just kludge the job together with the guys who remained? I don’t remember if there was a new hire in offensive staff, when Weis moved on.

I think the bottom line with B-Rich might just not be all that quick upstairs. I was pretty forgiving of “rookie mistakes” in his first year starting. But 2011 didn’t evince the up-side we were lookin’ for from B-Rich, who has all the tools, except maybe a teensy amount of quickness or quick-twitch.

Jim Zorn
Awesome

He did a hell of a job
Stanzi and Palko were QB’s too

what good was he?

Woah, I am not beating his drum Steve.

I’m just answering Mills conundrum.

Jim Zorn should not be our OC, I am not opposed to him staying the QB coach. I was utterly disappointed with his work with Palko.

Though I would argue that Palko did well, but he just had terrible arm strength and Stanzi not being ready lies directly at the feet of Zorn.

Maybe Zorn is anti-america and they didn’t click.

Sorry
no need for that nonsense
Heh.

I have to admit, in my weaker moments, that they should’ve been able to get a heckuva lot more offense out of the guys they had. So I reckon it goes to coaching. With a full off season, Haley did some things remarkably well. His first season was just a dress rehearsal, and his 3rd season he had no offseason, and his way of dealing with it apparently didn’t work too well. Blah blah blah. But they didn’t click very well, at all. A lot of folks just think it’s the QB talent, and Orton’s success against the league’s worst defense had more folks believing that.

I see these playoff teams using dump-offs to RBs to stem the tide of the pass rush, and wonder why it’s been so lacking in KC offense, under Haley. I think Haley is a believer in runners run and wide receivers catch. Just my impression.

His offense is no Air Coryell
dammit

Air Coryell was awesome

As was Priest's running lanes on sweeps
I don't want to get rid of B-Rich completely

but I do want the Chiefs to draft his replacement and make him earn his spot unless they bring in a free agent.

There should be two new line coaches, that should help and they may be able to help him with new perspective…who knows. He does have the tools, I agree.

We have all seen him play great at times.
Smarts could be an issue.

If I had my way it would be a (Jackie) battle between Mims/Richardson/FA/Draft Pick at the RT spot may the best Chief win.

I really wish we could have seen him at least once.

And Hudson for that matter… and Stanzi… am I missing anyone? Oh yea and Mims!

Powe played in a game

I was going to say practice squad eligibility, but that ain’t happening

For sure. Especially at LB

Just need one big play maker between NT and DE I think. Or a beast at ILB. Would really like Burfict, granted we have bigger needs.

I really hope our D picks up next year where it left off this year

Watching this Niner defense gives me the chills…

that ball was touched by SF
I can't tell if it hit him or not
This SF team doesn't miss many tackles at all
What it would be like to have a real QB
kid just does it when it counts most
Great pas by Eli

Wonder If the giants r using tebows techniques as that was a lucky (unforced ) turnover

Damn the 49er O-line is doing some work
Smith is surprisingly fast
better run blockers than pass blocking though
What a flop Crabtree is
he is no Heyward-Bey
I'm starting to get depressed that there's no football next week
Chin up

NFL Network

Senior Bowl and Pro Bowl

don’t have it but….

Yes. This is a week where part of the morning routine is making sure I get that day's Senior Bowl coverage.

Then watch it evenings for the next couple weeks.

The fumbled happened before the whistle

How’s that not reviewable ?

Smith isnt a very good qb

Gives me hope…

I really want to see a good OT with the new rules

Btw I hate Tynes he was horrible for us

Tynes is Terrible, left a bad taste in my mouth so I'm hoping he chokes

Doesn’t help that he appears cocky

Tynes is a lot of things.

Clutch isn’t one of them.

Great games all around today
Fantastic games
The Chiefs secondary would have 4 picks in this game
Depends if we would get any kinda rush

What I wouldn’t give for just some of these rotation guys on both teams

How bout that a true OT game

No excuses no bitching, both teams got a chance

The real travesty here is that my pic of blueberries went away with the deleted Nazi thread

Resurrecting the only good thing about that thread here:

???

Am I missing something?

dont worry

He said he had 1000 email accounts so I’m sure he will make another crappy post under a different name

Hopefully they'll IP ban the guy

And he’s not smart enough to understand proxies.

Nazi thread? Is there a way of explaining this to me without reigniting the stupidity?
Derp poster made a bad fanpost apparently

It got deleted and he got banned.

He made another account to make a new fanpost about his other fanpost getting deleted. In it he called those who run AP Nazis, and had a lovely pic of Hitler accompanying his little (unformatted and badly written) tirade.

Arguing ensued.

I posted blueberries. The only thing that could possibly save the thread.

It got deleted anyway. Along with my delicious blueberries. =(

Fair enough. You really can't argue with blueberries.
Smith decided to start sucking.
or he started showing the true QB that he is
I agree wholeheartedly

Signed, Matt Cassel

Good defenses do that to ya

Eli hasn’t really lit it up today, took em 30 passes to get 300 yards

Yea Alex is sucking, only shot to win is on the defense Creating a turnover

Here comes the Pats Giants bowl!
Not so fast my young Man
Giants need to end this

I want American Idol now.

Maybe McKenzie is available
Defense is nasty!
handful of sacks, 19 hits

Long day at the office for Eli

ballgame
Unless they borrow Cundiff for the FG try...
Wow

Fucked up twice

dump him in the Bay
Him and Cundiff

are going to be sharing a burlap sack with a snake, a dog and a monkey

bad day for kyle williams
Dam Kyle Williams

What a day of football

Kyle Williams is going to have to flee San Francisco.
Was waiting for that
ST loses both games today.
kept us out of the playoffs as well :(
Yup.

More important than people often realize.

Better beef up that resume

Gonna be baggin groceries in a few weeks

So does Alex Smith get a new contract

and do the Chiefs go after any Niner Coaches?

hmmm

Brad Seely
Special Teams Coordinator/Assistant Head Coach
Vic Fangio
Defensive Coordinator
Greg Roman
Offensive Coordinator
Michael Christianson
Coordinator Of Football Technology/Offensive Quality
Geep Chryst
Quarterbacks Coach
Reggie Davis
Tight Ends Coach
Ed Donatell
Secondary Coach
Tim Drevno
Offensive Line Coach
Bobby Engram
Offensive Assistant
Ejiro Evero
Quality Control
Peter Hansen
Defensive Assistant/Quality Control
Greg Jackson
Assistant Secondary Coach
Jim Leavitt
Linebackers Coach
John Morton
Wide Receivers Coach
Tom Rathman
Running Backs Coach
Mike Solari
Offensive Line Coach
Jim Tomsula
Defensive Line Coach
Bill Nayes
Special Assistant to Head Coach
Mark Uyeyama
Head Strength and Conditioning Coach
Kevin Tolbert
Assistant Strength and Conditioning Coach

Takes notes John Morton

and Bobby Engram…wow

JLo and Steven Tyler should try out for Idol

Bet my paycheck they wouldn’t make it to hollywood

Where did you get your clothes... at..the toilet store?
"Even the guy who can't think says somethin!"
Seymour is not far away?
Where r all the giant fans saying they were great ?

Last time I checked the only reason they won this game is bc Kyle Williams blew it twice , not bc they were te better team

Cuz I'm sure Alex Smith would've drove em down the field

Come on

No but neither was Eli
I would've trust Eli alot more than Smith

Nobody said they were great. They’re a good damn team. NFC champs, gotta give it to em.

Oh man I hope so hard he whiffs this.
And the Harbaughs all go down

I blame their parents

Agree.

Failures. Both of them. NFL HCs? Multi-million-dollar salaries. If my future children don’t amount to more than that I’ll disown them.

Lol thats funny

I really hope you know I was referring to the story that was in shutdown corner of them choosing to stay home for the games cuz one was on the West coast and the other was on the East coast. I do think they made the right choice so they dont choose favorites however

Man that would be such a bummer to lose like that.
I guess 3/4 of America is just going to party on SB weekend
Giants make Tynes look like he's the best clutch kicker
yeah he was a jar of chocolate buttcheese when he was here
I'm OK with the chip shot for the win. I just hate those 50-yarders, regardless of what side I'm rootin' for.
Right, but getting the field position off a fumble sucks.
the shouldn't have fumbled the ball
Didn't think of that.
I feel bad for the 49ers

They had an amazing season, but the Giants did knock off two of the best teams in the NFL when it mattered.

Now, I think the New England Waters are going to win the Super Bowl in a boring game.

30=13 Pats

something like that

The 49ers had a year to be proud of
Bring on the helmet catches!
Number 10 on the 49ers

Lost the game for them. Not once but twice turned it over on special teams.

that will kill a team every time in a close game.
Im glad we never had 2 of the same special teams gaffe in close game

……. :(

I was at the game...

ugh, it still hurts.

Better games last week.
Superbowls gonna be some good stuff
Lol yes

Brady: “Bring me Eli!!”

Hell yeah! You know!
How often does a QB get murdered like that and still win.

Manning hit 20 times… my god.

Yeah, they weren't polite hits either

Dude is going to be sore tomorrow.

think he's going to be sore tomorrow?

may not get out o bed til Tues.

I'd tell Coughlin I'll see em next Mon
LOL Eli threw 55 times for 14 points and won on a special teams play ......Hes great lol
He played the #1 defense in the league?

Still threw 2 TDs no picks

two super bowl appearances, he must stink.

didn’t turn the ball over in a game that was decided by turnovers.

So true

Cassel or Palko would’ve passed for like 600 yards today against that D, right?

no they wouldnt have but its amazing that we would expect them to because of the myth that thats what the elite qbs do to get there teams to SBs
Eli didn't light them up, today.

But he made plays when they needed it, against a top rated defense.

Last year against a top rated defense, Cassel folded like a cheap chair.

That’s kind of the main difference. It’s subtle and hard to see, I know.

Hows this

Really good QB, really good 1-3 weapons on offense, good to great defense, and a don’t fuck up ST. Good?

So...

Eli tears up the Falcons and Packers, but only does enough to beat the Niners, and this means he didn’t partly lead them to the Super Bowl?

Cool for Eli...done something his more lauded big brother hasn't done & now

will be playing in the SB in his big bro’s town.

Against his biggest Nemesis

Just storylines all fucking around lol

Yup...like he's now the only QB in NFL history with 5 road playoff wins

I’ll be rooting for Eli ‘cause I’m really sick of the Pats.

Brady’s had his turns… go Giants. :-D

Don't know who I'm pullin for

Just a good ass game. Like to see Waters get a ring, don’t care to see Page back into 1. Whoever wins def deserved it this year

Yep...I have all older sibs so I'm kind of empathizing with Eli lol
QBs

Funny how whichever QB wins the conference title game gets all the credit for his team’s win. We were two awful special teams plays from Alex Smith vs. Joe Flacco in the Super Bowl, but since other players messed up, all we’ll hear about is how elite quarterbacks led their teams to the Super Bowl. Even though Brady threw a horrible pick that would have cost his team the season if his d-back teammate didn’t slap the ball out of the receiver’s hands in the end zone.

Luck has way more to do with winning and losing than most anyone is willing to admit.

If that's the case why are the same teams usually in it?

Are they just always lucky?

but the same teams are not always usually in it
In the playoffs?
playoffs.. yes SB No !!
Well no shit

You can say that about every sport. Usually the same teams have a great shot at it year in year out

yeah but they are not there simply because of who they have at QB which is what he was saying
Luck is nowhere near anything to do with it as much as you guys think
QBs had very little to do with the outcome of this game as well but yet they are surely getting all the credit
Even though they haven't mentioned Eli once

Or Brady after the other game. All they’re talking about is the ST, so you’r not really making any sense in this one. Neither one of em is getting much of the credit, been watchin this shit all day

LOL All they did on Fox show is talk about ELi and his performance
So stop watching Fox

The dude still threw 2 tds and no turnovers against the best defense in the league. You want em to get no credit? He did account for 14 of their 20 points

they even claimed how as long as hes standing the Giants have a hcnace as if they didnt just see them punt on 9 of there last 10 possessions

Eli game managed this game to death and Smith as well and I have no problem with that but man they are hyping it as some heroic performance when in fact the defense kept them in it all game

Come on

600 yards passing, 67 comp% 6 tds, 1 int, 0 fumbles, 121 QB rating(for what its worth). Dudes BALLED in the playoffs

4 QB's played today. Here are their numbers.

22/36 306yd 2TD 1INT
22/36 239yd 0TD 2INT
12/26 196yd 2TD 0INT
32/58 316yd 2TD 0INT

Guess which was Eli?

But they sometimes always are.
Occasionally.

Once.

Because the teams who are always in the playoffs are very good teams, top to bottom. It’s a team game, not a Qb passing contest, and special teams are a third of the game. When two good teams face off, luck is often the difference, but afterwards, the story has to be retroactively written to make it all about the QBs, because ey are the highest profile players. So Tom Brady just led his team to another Super Bowl, even though he didn’t really. He did have a nice sneak for a TD but he also got really lucky today and the game was decided on plays that had nothing to do with the QBs.

Harbaugh seemed a little sore lose-ish

That was 1 quick ass shake, didn’t even look at Tom lol

I think the sb will be extra hyped up this year and the game will end up sucking, don’t know who will win but one of them will run away with it …hopefully it’s NE…I can respect what they’ve done year in and year out….giants r more of a luckier team as they’ve never been favorites

Ha this guy

You say the Giants got lucky and the Patriots won almost the exact same way. Which is it?

What?

Dominated the Falcons, cruised past the Packers, beat the Niners at their own game, how is that lucky?

Let me rephrase that, they’re not a team with high expectations going into the season …their one super bowl win were all close and now they have reached another super bowl in a similar fashion …unforced turnovers, balls are bouncing their way, did ne get lucky today ? Yes but they’ve been CONSISTENTLY good all year …on the other hand giants have had a lot of breaks

Instead of one super bowl win i meant to say last super bowl win

Giants beat the Patriots this year, no?
they were lucky to do that!
Ha, I know right

I love it how luck is spread out over an entire season

So what's ur point? They also lost to the redskins
A division opponent who knows them better than most teams in the league?

What your point?

Twice not once again TWICE

And to the Seahawks ? Lol N four games In a row…they’re not a consistently great team…Ido respect Eli he’s now an elite qb …wish we had them…the rest of the team aside from the wrs are overrated

Once again, who said great team?

Do you not read?

The Seahawks game they were unlucky

Were on a 2nd and goal about to go up 11, Cruz bobbled a ball right into a Seahawks safety for a 99 yard pick six.

That DL is over-rated?

I’d love to have that over-rated DL

If you’re both giants fans u can join their blog instead and say how great they are lol

Never said they were great

And check the avatar I’m clearly not a Giants fan, I just give credit where credits do. You wanna hate, fine, but don’t make shit up to try and justify the hate.

I'm just confused

Were the Niners lucky this year too? A turnover differential of +28 is not that sustainable, so I’d assume yes.

I expected the giants to win this game bc I saw too many weakness on the niners …I remember we had a year with a high + number and it didn’t translate into the playoffs

The Giants are inconsistent

The Niners played a style of game that isn’t great for long term success this season. Relying on turnover differential doesn’t work out forever. It bit them today. Wouldn’t be shocked to see them slide to 8-10 wins next season.

And how come the giants with all those weapons and good d not as consistent ? If they were always good in the regular season then I wouldn’t be questioning how they got to the super bowl, however at the end of the day they still deserve credit for gettin there , and for the record I like Eli

They had a ton of injuries this season

LB, CB, RB. Their o-line play is up and down. I see all their games since I live in their area, and they are annoying with the inconsistency. This year, it was due to the injuries. The running game was the worst in the league this season. They have a good foundation overall though with QB, WR, DL, which is why they are able to get hot at the right time like this.

I’m also from the area so I hear it all and those r excuses. I hear it from both sides since I live in nj and work in NYC. We didn’t make any excuses so neither should they. Last time I checked their qb was playing all season and their running game sucked with or without Bradshaw

Excuses for the inconsistency

At the end of the day though, the Chiefs went 7-9, and the Giants are playing the Super Bowl.

Does

Anyone else notice the similarities between our Chiefs and the Niners?

red and gold?
Watching the Super Bowl from home?
Reminds me of

Chiefs last year with weiss helping Cassel. Good defense. We looked like teams going in opposite directions last year. We destroyed them last year. Now they were OT away from going to superbowl.

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