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Reyes doesn't look like he would fit at all for that high of a pick though

There was some talk about Mayo being a freak before the college season started

The CBS review makes Reyes sound pretty dang good.

Yeah the practices he has shown a lot of explosion

I see a 4-3 interior guy, uses a lot of spin moves not power

Could be a Gilberry backup/replacement, then.

Are they lining up much 3-4 type play at the Senior Bowl?

4-3 only

No blitz/stunts/single high safety or cover 3 zone

Just like the probowl its shit for the defense.

He could be a Gilberry type player, but for that high of a pick? Ill pass

We run Sub-Packages 50% of the time

And he isn’t a Gilberry-type, if anything he’s a greater then Gilberry-type. A lot more size and talent to work with, and upside as a 5 tech DE which Gilberry could never be.

I think both Gilberry and Dorsey would be pleased as punch to be traded to 4-3 teams.

Gilberry is FA though

And there is no way i want Reyes starting his first year…

Oh, right...

Forgot about Gilberry’s contract year. Too bad for him it was worse than last year.

Yeah, if we lost Dorsey or TJax right now, we’d be in poor shape. Although I’m hopeful that Gordon could be servicable, I think he did pretty well when Dorsey was out last year. Plus all that rookie playing time for Bailey might pay off sooner rather than later.

I meant a Gilberry type player to start off as

Well you don't draft people for immediate impact

That’s what Free Agency is for

High picks are never drafted to have an immediate impact?

News to me.

Not always

Was Jason Pierre-Paul? How about Tyson Jackson? Rodney Hudson? Dexter McCluster? Javier Arenas?

The list goes on and on and on. The draft is a crapshoot, and fans particularly take way to much stock in it.

If the player you draft has an immediate impact that’s always a good thing, but definitely not expected particularly the father away you get from the first round.

Hence the ''high picks'' part

Which he would be.

Are you saying Dex nor Arenas had impacts? JPP didn’t flash his first year?

In their first years? The impacts were minimal at best, and they're still not "starters"

As was JPP, who was in a rotation his whole rookie year. He flashed but it wasn’t exactly great flashes, he’s become a monster due to development.

So what that means Reyes can’t flash his Rookie year? That he can’t have an impact rushing in the Nickel Package, playing 50% of the snaps?

High picks are expected to have impacts, thats all I'm saying

Twist it all you want.

I'm not twisting anything

You’re the one alluding to Reyes not having an impact because he’d start in sub-packages his rookie year. Oh well he’s not a 3 down player immediately, that’s setting your bar way to high. Hardly any Defensive lineman are that are taken in the 2nd round. Hell any DL rookie period if you want to get technical with it whether they’re drafted in the 1st or 7th.

Don’t see why he wouldn’t have an impact, unless you just don’t like him as a prospect and think he will bust.

I don't like him in our scheme as I said

Or rather at this point, I do not see a place for him. I also stated I do not believe we will be in the position to take a subpackage player with a 2nd round pick which he could easily rise to be after this is all said and done.

I dunno. I know we've still got other needs, but we need to backfill that D line sooner or later.

Even if Dorsey sticks around. I don’t know how long they keep Gordon. Right now, Bailey and UDFA Bair are our only developmentals for DE.

Which we can find those guys later on in the draft

We could get a OT/OG/ILB/TE/DB in the second/third that would help us more than a back up DE

But if he's starting in sub-packages that we run as much as we do the 3-4

Then he wouldn’t be a back-up, he’d be a starting defensive tackle. With potential down the line to start 3 downs.

But honestly what guys at those respective positions would be there?

OT: Levy Adcock? No thanks rather just wait till round 3.
OG: Brandon Washington? Zeitler? Don’t fit our scheme that we run now.
ILB: Bobby Wagner? Audie Cole? Wouldn’t be worth the pick, may not start this year anyway. Doubt we sniff Hightower or Burfict.
TE: Coby Fleener? He’d definitely be a back-up
DB: Some good corners, but if we re-sign Carr that type of pick can go on the backburner. Don’t expect Barron to be there, and its to early for any other safety. Not impressed with Iloka but I could live with Antonio Allen. I doubt either would give us the same impact as a good defensive lineman rushing the passer.

Zeitler moves rather well actually, can fit a ZBS

Dorsey, Tjax, Bailey, Gilberry, Gordon, etc can all play in the subpackages

No need for a guy who may only fit in 1 role, that early

Not at the Senior Bowl

Looked completely lost in space.

They can play them huh? Sure, I’ll believe that when Crennel actually does it. Since he doesn’t I’ll err on the side of actually improving our team, Reyes may have one role early on but that doesn’t mean he won’t expand on that. Their is more then one year in the NFL, their are seasons after a player is drafted.

Gordon, Bailey, Gilberry, and Tjax all saw time in the subpackages last year IIRC

I don’t remember if Dorsey did, although the year before he was always in them.

Most ZBS prospects will look lost when its a 1 on 1 drill, which usually favor the Dlinemen anyways.

Bailey and Gilberry were the main guys, they probably had 90% of the snaps

I don’t remember ever seeing TJ once, maybe you’re confusing him with Dorsey? Gordon doesn’t even have a contract with us next season.

I’d rather have a rotation anyways, don’t want guys that have to be in there for 3 downs. The Giants are going to the SB because of how great their depth is, versatility and they’re experts with the rotation, same with Baltimore.

And it wasn’t 1-on-1 drills, he’s not out blocking in space downfield on one-on-one drills.

Going off mills with the Tjax reference

Do not remember seeing Dorsey out there last year in the subpackages.

Love to know how Zeitler doesn’t fit the scheme, I was talking about the 1 on 1 practice drills where he would lose a step, which in a ZBS he has help, and most ZBS prospects do not look good in 1 on 1 drills because of that

I think he shoots up boards

He’s already talked about as a 2nd-3rd rounder and when the season ended people were saying 4th, and that’s before the combine where i think he’ll impress.