Arrowhead Pride

Agreed.. not a fan of this hire

golfbard - January 3, 2012 reply

Let me guess...

nothing short of Gruden or Cowher is acceptable?

There you go.....wrong again. I just want the best that's available, not the most

convenient.

Who might that be?

Romeo.

Knows the team = consistency. Team plays hard for him = 2-1 record (one of those wins is Green Bay). Willing to play the best player = Palko gone Orton in. History with Pioli = no infighting.

Sorry, this is the best hire.

bossmanham - January 3, 2012 reply

Totally agree.

Also he did real well during his past HC job

Bill Belichick

was 36-44 with the Cleveland Browns from 91-94. By your judgement, you are saying Belichick shouldn’t have gotten another shot at HC either.

Givemethatmoney - January 3, 2012 reply

Belichick's success is based on having an all time franchise QB

Anyone in his shoes would be having the same success right now. Which is also why I think this is all pointless, unless you are going to hire a coach that has had playoff success with a subpar QB

Tom Coughlin also did poorly with his first HC job. With the Giants?

He’s gone to the Playoffs 5 times in 7 years. It’s all about what they do differently the second time around. AND if they have a legit QB or not.

Belicheck —> Brady
Coughlin —> Eli

Tom Coughlin actually did pretty well his first time around.

He certainly did better, with an expansion franchise no less, than Crennel did. Coughlin was 68-60 in his 8 seasons in Jacksonville. He had 4 consecutive winning seasons of 9-7, 11-5, 11-5, 14-2; went to the AFC Champs game twice in that time, and he had a 4-4 playoff record. Crennel doesn’t have that on his resume anywhere.

Jags had some decent players though

Who did RAC have in Clevland. Even Belicheck didn’t do well there.

You said he did poorly in JAC. I gave evidence to dispute it.

Yeah, somebody who's won a Superbowl.

Because once a coach wins a Superbowl with one team, they can always do it again with another team. Oh wait……

Romeo never won as head coach

Yes, he won 5 superbowls but that was as special team and defense line coach with the Giants in ’87 and ’91 and as D.C. with the N.E. in ’02, ’04 and ’05.

angrydeafman - January 3, 2012 reply

So like the Chiefs

you accept mediocrity and the easy way out. That’s what Crennel is. So we keep him and have to change coaches in 2-3 years.

Additionally, usually when an interim coach is named, the team responds positively but long term is never good. I’m very afraid of that.

golfbard - January 3, 2012 reply

Or we could go to the SB and Crennel stays our HC for years

But that’s not a possibility…

Thats because a lot of the Interims

are first time HC. Romeo has history. He didnt do good in Cleveland because the talent was not there? The team he has in KC is filled with talent. If you look at the Pats, the team was built around the defense. Thats exactly what we have. All we need now is an OC.

Givemethatmoney - January 3, 2012 reply

Gruden sucks

way overrated. Took Dungy’s team with elite defense to a Superbowl but then tanked. It’s Cowher or Fisher or RAC in order of best coach for Chiefs. I want RAC as DC.

Nicoloco - January 3, 2012 reply

What exactly has Fisher done to rank so high?

I don’t really get the love affair with Cowher either. I mean I liked him and all, but I’m tired of seeing his name every single year people think we need a new coach.

bh13 - January 3, 2012 reply

Gruden and Fisher are pretty similar

Gruden actually has a better playoff record in less time than Fisher does.

Maybe...Pioli is waiting to hire the OC from the Super Bowl loser.

Scott B. - January 3, 2012 reply

Whoa.. too soon my friend. Too soon

Jay Cotton - January 3, 2012 reply

I'm not sure what to think

If Romeo is hired, maybe it really comes down to who the coordinators are. Romeo is definitely the lesser of two evils when it comes to McDaniels. I think Romeo has the age and experience to be level headed, wise, and a man players can look up to. He is going to want to have his finger on the defense, but we’ll need a very strong OC as he’ll probably say, “it’s your baby.”

Agreed, all out drama in the next days/weeks will be over the OC.

Which is precisely what Haley would not do...

Hand over complete control of the play-calling to the OC. Got in the way far too much.

neiowakcfan - January 3, 2012 reply

If Romeo stays as HC, I hope he keeps calling the D.

ChiefsFan4Life634 - January 3, 2012 reply

I'm fine with it if...

a quality OC is brought in. Not McDaniels either. I think It should be easy for Romeo to find a DC that follows his philosophies and basically does things the way he has been. If the team plays for him like they did the last 3 games, the defense stays on the same level or even improves some (pass rush), and an OC comes in who can utilize the weapons they had this year and those that will be coming back next year, then things will be looking up.

Crowd's behind the Big Hoopla. How bad would Pioli look......?

where do you find these gifs?

bossmanham - January 3, 2012 reply

Accidentally.

I googled “gladiator thumbs.”

Doesn't sound accidentally...

Well, sounded like boss thought I had a secret source for awesome gifs.

I’m not AG.

Well seeing fisher is the biggest name right now

He’ll most Likley go to Miami . I’m ok with Romeo . He went 2- 1 and that loss was in overtime . Plus he was working with alot of backups and what not . He does good things with our defense and he can continue to . If we get a good OC I think we should be ok .

chiefsman! - January 3, 2012 via mobile reply

Seeing some things stating

Fisher is all but hired in St. Louis. Maybe they’re offering the GM position as well. shrug

Franchise QB, high draft pick, and good owner. Plus reports say they’re looking for a young GM which, if true, a guy like Fischer would still have considerable influence.

JComp11 - January 3, 2012 reply

Fisher is def going to Indy. Think about it. Draft luck, play the titans twice a year, would he want any other team

Okie Red - January 3, 2012 via mobile reply

A new coach means starting over and I dont think we are ready for that just yet . Keeping Romeo means we want some continuity

Willie Beamon - January 3, 2012 reply

This is really the main reason I would be ok with this hire.

Consistency with this defense is key.

polodude017 - January 3, 2012 reply

If RAC is not the new HC

I can see Pioli and Hunt going after Bruse Arians since the want to model the team after the Steelers and Patriots, and since the “Patriot Way” hasn’t work so far, I think they head in the “Steeler Way”

Bruse=Bruce

RAC is the safest bet for Pioli

If he doesn’t workout I think Pioli survives the firing of a promoted candidate and gets one more hire.

Interesting theory...

I had not thought about it from that angle. But, you could very well be right.

Scott B. - January 3, 2012 reply

Again, give me Chip Kelly

And if I can’t have him, give me LaMichael James. Rich man’s JC right there.

I like James

but I think he might drop in the draft because he plays in an offense designed to put up Madden like numbers

So does Chip Kelly.

Fine with me if he drops

Dude would be a great 3rd round pick. He does it all, pass, catches and blocks

I endorse this idea

Charles and James in the backfield

Big Trouble in Little KC

Steve_Chiefs - January 3, 2012 reply

I'll drink to that

His Royal Greatness - January 3, 2012 via mobile reply

stop me if you've heard this one before: Mas Cervecas and His Royal Greatness turned into a bar ...

and said ouch? :)

Chip Kelly?

Our team isn’t small enough

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/1/1/2673986/free-agency-talk-thread-1-1-12-1-15-12

need some help, people ...

it isn’t often that I do this, in fact I’ve NEVER done this before, but I’m going to ask for a few “volunteers” to pop over to the Free Agency thread and rec it up …

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thanks Willie ... and two others hit it, also ... couple more and that's good to go

and guys, the check’s in the mail :-)

chiefs_fan_forever - January 3, 2012 reply

Done!

Bassbustin - January 3, 2012 reply

Hey up-

I accept pay-pal, save a stamp!

Bassbustin - January 3, 2012 reply

Rec'd

and since you said “Volunteer” No one should expect anything in the mail…

ty! yah, it's up top where needs to be :-)

and that mail thing … well, we don’t talk about that here, ok? shhhhhhhhhh!

Done

Do I get to put the Volunteer hours on my fun’employed resume?

As long as everyone's content to win the AFC West every so often, maybe even someday

win a playoff game…….this is what we’re going to get. Now, if someone would eventually like to win a Super Bowl, then you have to go big time and get an elite head coach. Pioli is the GM, it’s his decision I’m sure, with input from Hunt, but Crennel is not going to take this or any other team to the SB. Great DC, good guy, but mediocre HC at best.

You still haven't said who your favorite candidate is.

Not all coaches start as "elite"

Cowers and Gruden weren’t considered elite coaches until they won the SB and if Fischer wouldn’t have made it to the SB he would only be considered a mediocre coach. Even Fox is living on his one SB appearance. It’s all a matter of who is the best fit for your team, not status.

i don't even consider

Gruden as Elite, he won 1 SB as a HC?? and if i remember correctly his team totally flopped next season and didn’t even get into the playoffs… i also consider that SB season a lucky season…

How many coaches even get to the Big Game? I mean if getting too and then winning the SB isn't a condition of elite, what is?

Gruden was 95-81 over 10 years, with only 3 loosing seasons and 5 conference championships on two teams. Not too shabby if you ask me. Just sayin

A few names of Super Bowl winning coaches

Mike McCarthy – not well known prior to being HC.
Sean Peyton – not well known prior to being HC.
Mike Tomlin – not well known prior to being HC.
Tom Coughlin – they still keep looking for a reason to fire him.
Tony Dungy – nothing special before being teamed up with Peyton Manning.

... Anyway how many of those guys coached in KCin any capacity?

2

ravenhawk - January 3, 2012 reply

The problem is any established head coach is probably going to want personnel control, or at least input.

I don’t think that will happen here (Pioli clearly wants to control that portion of the organization), nor do I think it should. I think it is absolutely a HORRIBLE idea for teams to let the head coach control personnel. It is a total conflict of interest. The job of the GM is to provide the coach with the best possible roster to mold into a championship team. A main goal of the GM is to keep in mind the long-term health of the roster, making the decision that are best for the organization. This does not jive with the interest of the head coach is most likely most concerned with the short-term, i.e. his job security. Just my personal opinion.

polodude017 - January 3, 2012 reply

Yea, I'm just curious who the elite coach is that you want us to get?

Chiefs447 - January 3, 2012 reply

Who then? Who? Who!? WHO GAWDAMMIT!?

crashman6 - January 3, 2012 reply

Chiefs beat two playoff teams this year.

Guess who was the head coach at the time.

where for art thou

Romeo?

lol you called Denver a "playoff team."

i think Greenbay counts as two .

denvers just poo

chiefsman! - January 3, 2012 reply

Ah. Makes sense.

Ha, agreed.

Since they made the playoffs, it’s gonna be hard for them to sell anyone but Tebow as their QB. Here’s to hoping they stick with him another season.

Chiefs447 - January 3, 2012 reply

I'm not sure I buy that.

2 of 8 and 6 of 22 against a division rival I think gives Elway plenty of ammo to fire Tebow if he wants.

Well hell yea he should be fired.

He should have never played in the first place. But the fans were going ape shit over the guy. I think Fox and Elway decided the season was lost, let’s show the fans this isn’t going to work. And then they won all those games and made the playoffs. I still think Donkey fans are ignorant enough to want to keep him. I know, fans don’t make the decisions, but they might on this. If nothing else, Tebow is selling out that stadium every week.

Chiefs447 - January 3, 2012 reply

An excellent example of what happens when fans get their way.

Hey, work with me here!

I’m trying to make Romeo sound good.

Oh, sorry.

Where did you get that Mims GIF?

that's not Mims, that's the toughest guy ever to walk the ...

oh yeah! he does look old there, though …

Isn't that 2 more than Haley in 2.75 seasons?

saskwatch - January 3, 2012 reply

I was a little worried about losing Haley's disciplinarian attitude in the locker room.

While I think he went overboard at times, I think he did a great job of keeping the team motivated, in shape and hungry. I was a little worried Romeo’s laid back approach might be a little too easy. However, I think this team might have enough veteran leaders now that they don’t need that type of coach breathing down their necks. I’ll be ok with Romeo as long as they bring in a great OC. I’d honestly like Norv if he gets fired. I was strongly opposed to McDaniels, but someone on here (can’t recall who) wrote a post including the hiring of McDaniels and stressing that he has had success with Cassel in the past. That makes some sense to me. I’d be open to other options as well, but it has to be someone with a decently long resume of quality experience.

polodude017 - January 3, 2012 reply

I am worried about Crennel being a players' coach, too.

But I just read in War Room where one of the things Pioli said to Hunt early on was how poorly conditioned the Chiefs looked, and that was just from him watching game tape before he was even hired. So hopefully the conditioning thing will come from the top no matter who the coach is.

I know he said they were the slowest team he'd ever seen.

Which no doubt had a lot to do with Dex and Arenas being drafted when they were.

You should read War Room.

It’s a lot shorter than it looks if you just skip past the Falcons and early Patriots stuff. Pretty good stories in there, not a lot of conjecture and it makes people actually look like people instead of the 2-D caricatures we prefer on AP.

Yeah, it's on my to-do list.

is there a Cliff's Notes edition?

You're in it right now.

Are we really worried about reading a 352 page book?

Chernabog - January 3, 2012 reply

I worry about trying to read one of Aiken's posts.

And they’re dozens of pages less than that.

But at least Aiken's posts don't have all of MN's parentheticals....

(not that I mind them of course)….
Love ya MN! :)

I'm almost done with it

scares me if they bring Josh McD in here. Sounds like his evaluation of talent wasn’t up to par with the rest of the Pats crew. If he comes here as OC I hope they don’t take his advice for player scouting.

This team was the opposite of disciplined this year.

Five losses by 27 or more points by the only team to beat Green Bay is testament to that. Teams that underachieve that much are not disciplined.

Yup, I think Haley quit before the season started.

lack of blowouts in crennels tenure

is pretty huge IMO. Haley did a great job at general motivation, but a terrible job at getting the team ready for specific games. i think with the talent and veteran leadership we now have…crennels approach will have a much bigger payoff.

cheapham - January 3, 2012 via Android app reply

Great job at general motivation?

I think that goes with getting teams ready for games.

conditioning and the like

throughout the season. he was a great motivator in that regard IMO. but when it came to specific game plans … he was clearly lacking.

cheapham - January 3, 2012 via Android app reply

Hey, Crennel was the DC in all of this years blowouts and the D did quit a few times. I'm

not sure if I blame them but you can’t deny that the D quit in several of those early games.

only the last 2 years

and when your offense only puts up 6 points and has a dozen 3 and outs … its hard to blame the defense for ultimately folding. amyway, the final and overall game plan would have been Haley’s.

cheapham - January 3, 2012 via Android app reply

*anyway

cheapham - January 3, 2012 via Android app reply

Agree, but you still can't say that Romeo did not play any part in it.

fair enough

cheapham - January 3, 2012 via Android app reply

how about the difference was

the fact that Crennel actually prepped them for the game, The players themselves said the very first week Crennel was HC that they watched alot more game tape and studied their opponent more during the week… Haley is a great developmental coach when he was in KC, he coached the players pretty good still give him full credit for Bowe, but he wasn’t a great coach, great coaches watch game film and study opponents… it seriously looked like the 11 players on offense were playing like they would in the Backyard with cassel explaining the plays on his hands…

Why is jeff fisher ELITE?

just asking.

Also who is an available ELITE HC?

since all i hear against Romeo is how we need to get an elite Hc with no examples.

Today's elite

is 6 winning records in 16+ seasons, apparently.

How many lossing seasons in 16+ years?

Does it matter?

I'd do the math but it's far too advanced for me ...

Yes because homeboy is trying to skew the view

by making it look like he had 10 lossing season which isn’t the case. A plus .500 carrer record, a super bowl apperance and another trip to the AFC Championship game? I’ll take it.

Not sure what happened there....

Dude had a plus .500 carrer record, went to a Super Bowl and went to another AFC Championship game. On top of that he managed the team its last two years in Houston and they three year fuck up of a move to TN. I’ll take all of that.

Homeboy didn't try any such thing.

6 winning seasons in 16+ years is what it is. If you interpret that as 10+ losing seasons, that’s on you.

I'm just trying ot show the flip of your clear bias for the average Chiefs fan mouth breather

11 seasons of .500 or better football. Thats 11 seasons where his team was in the mix for the playoffs.

Hey. It's not my fault. I have narrow nasal passages.

Meh, "clear bias" is too much

It's 16+ seasons of mostly medioctrity.

He wouldn’t be the worst hire, but the discussion was about why some are calling him elite, when clearly he’s not.

So 8-8 is elite in your world?

Six losing seasons, five 8-8 seasons

That’s 11 of sixteen .500 or worse. Pretty elite?

neiowakcfan - January 3, 2012 reply

Fisher's career numbers are 142-120 w/ 5-6 in the playoffs.

He’s not coming to KC, and I don’t want to see another switch back to a 4-3 defense 3 years into the current switch, but here’s Fisher’s record.

Year – Reg W/L – Playoff W/L
’94 – 1-5 – n/a
’95 – 7-9 – n/a
’96 – 8-8 – n/a
’97 – 8-8 – n/a
’98 – 8-8 – n/a
’99 – 13-3 – 3-1
’00 – 13-3 – 0-1
’01 – 7-9 – n/a
’02 – 11-5 – 1-1
’03 – 12-4 – 1-1
’04 – 5-11 – n/a
’05 – 4-12 – n/a
’06 – 8-8 – n/a
’07 – 10-6 – 0-1
’08 – 13-3 – 0-1
’09 – 8-8 – n/a
’10 – 6-10 – n/a

There are a lot of 8-8 seasons in there, a couple of 7-9’s, and just 3 really crap seasons over 16 full seasons. Now, that may not be elite, but it’s pretty damn good compared to many other available options for HC. Comparing that to the guy we’re leaning towards in Crennel, who is 26-41 w/o a playoff appearance in 4 years w/ Cleveland. Two of those wins came w/ KC in the interim finish.

Also, Fisher put up that record with a team that never truly had an elite QB (McNair was decent but we’re not looking at him for the HOF any time soon) and with an owner that is, frankly, a little nuts. Fisher provided some sanity to a team that otherwise would have had none. One has to wonder what he could do in a stable situation that’s committed to supporting his decisions on players and dedicated to winning.

I’m not advocating him for KC, but I think you are certainly underselling his resume. The guy had a 5-year stretch that he went 66-24, had 3 13-win seasons, and his 6 winning seasons were all double-digit wins. Any coach that stays in a place for 16 years is going to work his W-L % closer to .500. He’s about even with Gruden and Billick has a little better career percentage. Parcells barely has a better career win percentage than Fisher. Is he not elite?

And we're back to "what is Elite?"

It all comes down to if they have a QB they can ride. ALL Elite HC’s (Belicheck, McCarthy, Coughlin, tomlin, Payton) have one. We don’t. Either Fisher or Romeo could take us to the next level IF we get one. Romeo has the relationship with the players though and his D’s have been pretty solid and improving. He’s the only consistant coach we have had.

Fisher had two pretty good stretches w/o an elite QB.

Give him one, and I think he’ll succeed. As I said, it doesn’t really matter. Fisher is probably going to end up in St. Louis or Miami, and KC doesn’t seem to be showing much interest.

I actually like Fisher but I'm not overly excited. It seems that every year, at least one

really good coach pops up from a co-ordinator position or from a college background. It takes someone with Pioli’s contacts I’m sure to find that person. I really like the LSU coach but have no idea if he’s interested in the pro game. I know that Fisher was pretty successful even though he had problems with Adams telling him who to play and maybe this would be the problem with Pioli too. Fisher has the experience and background, is still relatively young and has had a year off and definately wants back in so if there isn’t anyone else, he might be the best hire. For all we know, maybe he and Pioli have already talked and maybe Fisher doen’t like KC or the organization. I just want a quality hire and not the easiest hire. And by firing Haley early, Pioli has had a chance to get the jump on the other teams.

Continuity vs a fresh perspective, is basically what it boils down to then.

To some degree I agree. Was Fox a good hire by Denver? His teams have been losing

for years but they did go to a SB once I guess. Pretty similar to Fisher but I’m guessing that Fisher’s record is similar.

Sorry, don't know why I'm stuttering today.

Weird. Never mind me, strange things going on with my computer.

Maybe it’s work telling me to work.

No to Les Miles and Jeff Fischer

Fischer just hovers around .500 and pops out a good year here and there. Yes Les Miles is undefeated in the toughest conference in college, but his offenses are terrible.

F-I-S-H-E-R

Just like it sounds.

Why? What kind of records did Romeo have? What were his offenses like in Cleveland?

what kind of record did Bellichick have in Cleveland? yeah, guy's a horrible, coach ... nobody will ever hire THAT guy!

Would like to see what everyone says about Bellichick today if there had never been a Tom Brady

Franchise QB turns alot of coachs into HOF status, don’t think its the other way around.

Come on man, do you remember who Crennel had to work for?

Phil Savage! If you were to compare him to Pioli, you know you are comparing apple to orange here! His QBs were: Frye, Anderson, and Quinn! Only superstar he had on the roster was Joshua Cribbs and that was just for the kick returns only! What’s the man supposed to do with those kind of things? Being a head coach here with competent GM along with many good players must be a heaven for Crennel compared to that hellhole he came from!

angrydeafman - January 3, 2012 reply

i believe those same Cleveland browns

beat us in 2008 i was at the game… just saying….

Just saying they both sucked?

I don't know if you could say Fisher is elite but he does have a nice resume over a

pretty long period. The only coach that I know of that probably deserves to be called elite is Cowyer butt that’s JMO. I believe that Romeo is just too much of a nice guy and he’ll have the team for awhile and then they’ll start to run the show. You need team leaders but it still has to come from the top. I’m a big believer in discipline. Haley might have taken it too far but maybe not. We don’t know what all the problems may have been but I just can not see Crennel be the hard ass when he needs to be. I might be wrong and he might turn out great but it really concerns me and means another 3 years of mediocrity.

You have not named a single person you would rather have than Romeo.

Yes I have. My choice would be Fisher, however, if I was Pioli, I'd have a long list of other

possibilities and I’d be checking them out. He’s had a three week jump on most of the others. In fact, my first choice is Cowyer, and Pioli would know, but indications are that he does not want to coach. I consider Cowyer elite, a disciplinarian and he has a Chief’s background but if he doesn’t want the job, what can we do. Now, maybe he won’t work for Pioli, or maybe Pioli won’t pay or give him enough input, so we just don’t know. What if Cowyer takes another HC job? What would that tell you?

who's Cowyer?

Related to Fischer, I think.

UPS, you want opinions and then all you can do is mock a mispelling, come on man.

Help out and I did rec your other thread.

ok, here's my help ... no on Fisher and forget Cowher ... stop with the Cleveland deal, long and AND far away, as well as whole different team AND yeah, GM for that matter

for THIS team, OUR team, right now … Crennel is THE guy

have a good one, gotta run some errands :-)

Lets compare what Elite means....

… and 1600 words later I have this post for you all to read instead. Yup, a little self promotion here never hurts :)

biggest difference is RAC has leaders in place in KC

as opposed to CLE where is was completely starting over.

And he's learned some things since then.

Did not repeat his old mistake with naming a starting QB.

99% sure? I don't see it as being any higher than 60%. Romeo is likely only good for 3-5 years.

Also -That’s why the McDaniels for OC Rumors should scare the heck out of everyone. If RC hires him as OC (and would also have to give him Asst . Head Coach title because of rules surrounding McD still be under contract…he has to be offered a promotion). Guess who that makes the head coach in waiting… J. McD. No thanks to that scenario. I can honestly say that I’m out if McD is hired in any capacity. How bad do you think all the fans will freak at the first sign of a poor offense under McD Tired of all the negativity around the coaching staff the last several years that has caused all the fan apathy. McD, in any capacity is a terrible choice from both a PR and football perspective.

podolak - January 3, 2012 reply

i really like romeo crennel

that being said i don’t know if i could watch a whole season of low scoring defensive games, i’d feel ok as long as we brought in some “offensive mastermind” into the picture to go with the defense

kcchiefs19 - January 3, 2012 reply

As long as it brings W's

If we win more often than we lose

I’ll take a whole season of 6-3 games.

bh13 - January 3, 2012 reply

We need a coach who fits the philosophy that Pioli wants, and is a big reason as to

why Haley is not here any longer. Romeo may fit the bill, but the Coach who was fired recently in Miami may just be the guy. One thing about little Joshy is he knows that concept which Pioli wants implemented here. A new poster to AP, a guy named Shackett, pointed this out. It’s a scheme thing, getting the players involved in different packages.

dubld - January 3, 2012 reply

eric mangini

Is he a oc or dc?

kcfan9999 - January 3, 2012 via mobile reply

dc

dubld - January 3, 2012 reply

Coaches i know that wont come here...

first off Cowher won’t come here, i’m still unsure that he wants to leave TV, he seems pretty happy there… next is Fisher, and why would anybody be content with a .500 average career?? i believe if we hire Fisher, it will be to much like the Vermeil era and yeah we get to the playoffs but i believe we lose every game… as for MCD, yeah, no thanks… why bring somebody who won the first 8 games of his HC career and didn’t even make the playoffs?? also he was the one that draft Tim Tebow cause that’s his kind of QB… only person i could see really fitting into what KC wants to do is Crennel, he may be some what of a players Coach, but he still believes in a firm hand and discipline but also tells it how it is which is why the players love him so much (believe also it’s from having a previous coach that gave every player the cold shoulder), now with that being said i could see truthfully Jim Zorn being promoted to OC… if Muir retires, if not Muir might stay as OC or be demoted to O-line coach again

Don't want Cowher anyway.

also, pioli

get off your lazy ass, pick up your phone, dial some phone numbers, throw some numbers down and lets resign Carr, Bowe, Gilberry, Mcclain, and Piscitelli (he’s grown on me some, and that’s for sure Crennel’s little experment developemental player..)

Agree 100%.

At the very least, sign Carr and Bowe NOW!

crazychiefsfan - January 3, 2012 reply

Pissontelli is needs to go to reality show or something. He can't play football.

You lost me at Piscitelli.

saskwatch - January 3, 2012 reply

i've notice

through the last few games, with McGraw out, that he has stepped up his game, he has been where he needs to be on the running front… and he has been decent in coverage… at least these last 3 games… like i said, he has grown on me, but i was calling for his head just about 6 or 7 weeks ago…

guess i'm just saying

it would be nice to keep a safety backup just in case, and perfferably that knows the expectations of Crennel and his system already…

You know, I was just rereading this post and looking at the picture of Crennel at the top.

That is one of the things that I really liked about this years D. When the O was on the field, Crennel was over going over things with the defensive players, making adjustments, etc. That is one of the things that we will lose, IMO, if Crennel is the HC. He will be responsible for the entire team and will not be able to “concentrate” on the D. IMO, he is much better suited and qualified to be the DC and even at that, the Raiders, for example, completely two long passes and a fake punt for a TD that was not detected. I’m just saying, Crennel is very good as DC, not perfect by any means, but IMO just not up to being HC. The D will suffer w/o him as DC and will obviously have to hire/promote to a new DC.

We didn't seem to lose that when Crennel was named the HC

Don’t know why it would change either.

Personally i would rather

Promote Crennel to HC… slap him with being in charge of the Defense and playcalling for the Defense… and then promote Zorn to OC/QB coach.. hire a new SPT coach and O-line coach… Let Zorn and the QB make the O gameplan and let Crennel and his D crew make the D gameplan and just go out and execute…

obviously

if there is 1 thing this season should teach anybody is that the less voices in the matter the better… Crennel is a Defensive mind kind of guy and think has learned to let the Offensive people do what they get paid to do unlike somebody else (Haley)…

The Patriot Way.

NE has traditionally had about the least number of coaches on staff out of all the NFL teams.

that's good...

why do you think nothing ever gets done in congress…. cause there is 500 different opinions…. just no good…

I've seen the name Tom Clements thrown around (GB QB's coach)

he was actually the Chiefs QB coach in 2000 (Grbac and Moon). Can’t argue that the dude has put together some winners with the Rodgers and even Flynn have performed. McCarthy is always going to want to call his own plays, so maybe Tom is looking for an opportunity to get into an OC role. He served as OC for the Bills in ‘04-’05.

Make it so.

Wish I could

but even Pioli won’t be able to talk to him until their playoffs/Super Bowl run is over.

Sounds familiar.

Seems like they're allowed to interview during their bye week.

But can’t yet take the job. The Packers would have to grant permission, though.

Would they? I thought that was only for coordinators and head coaches and lateral moves.

All assistant coaches are now treated equally.

They changed that rule a few years ago. Only two types of coaches: head coach and assistant coach.

armadillo tank to the rescue!

Ah, right, I semi-remember this discussion before.

I semi-remember a lot of things nowadays.

It was done in response

to a lot of teams abusing the rule by making up bogus titles (such as assistant head coach) in order to get around the rule.

That could be true too

I don’t know for sure.

TC may become the next Penn State coach

dubld - January 3, 2012 reply

It's not Crennel I'm worried about

I’m worried about him backing off of the defensive duties and having a DC that may not get the best out of the defense, then Pioli insisting that Josh McDaniels be the coach in waiting, and also insisting that Cassel is the QBOTF. Crennel being head coach should be the least of everyone’s worries.

old_school - January 3, 2012 reply

SMH

Romeo the best for the job. I keep hearing people say get the best coach for the job…who? Fischer? To me all he known for is being the longest tenured coach. Cowher? He won 1 Superbowl…Gruden won 0 so wat r u guys looking for? And just because a coach won a title with 1 team doesnt mean he’ll do it again. Look at Shanahan, Parcells wit Dallas, Vermeil wit us, etc…its all about the right man for the job and its safe to say RAC is that guy. Having him as coach means things on D stays the same as far as scheme & philosophy. All we need to do then is get an offensive coordinator, determine the offense we’re going to run and get a QB to run it

JustaArrowheadDude - January 3, 2012 via Android app reply

Gruden won 1 Super Bowl

and don’t forget his Raiders were one “tuck” away from knocking off the Patriots, who wouldn’t have won their first Super Bowl. But I agree with you on RAC.

old_school - January 3, 2012 reply

It'a combination of SB's and more importantly getting your team into the playoffs time and time again

That’s what Tomlin, McCarthy, Belicheck, etc do.

Gruden went into the playoffs 5 times in 5 years, Fisher 6 in 17.

If Chiefs hired someone else other than RAC for the head coach job

Then I would be concerned because if that happens, what of Crennel? Do you think he will stay here as the d.c. after being a head coach even if it was for only three games? Will someone else try to hire him for the head coach job or even d.c. job?
After everything Chiefs put me through, I would love to keep Crennel here. Even if it means removing the “interim” from the head coach title because for the first time in long time, this Chiefs team actually looked like a NFL team for three games in row.

angrydeafman - January 3, 2012 reply

Mike Mularkey

Crennel doesn't bother me or excite me.

It’s all gonna depend on what players we get on the offensive side of the ball and what kind of staff he puts together. There is definitely something to be said for continuity, and Cleveland has failed with every regime brought in there. There must be some reason they can’t win beyond the coaches. Just bring us some OL, WR, and a QB, and we’ll be fine.