Arrowhead Pride

If Manning wants another Super Bowl

I can’t imagine a better scenario for him than kc. Strong core ready to compete, especially with a high caliber qb like him. Hope his neck heals, cause I’ve changed my mind. I want him here.

bossmanham - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

The phrase "having trouble getting healthy" scares the crap out of me...

Yup

Especially considering that it’s a neck injury. Joe Montana’s elbow was certainly a cause for concern, but neck injuries are far more touchy, especially in the NFL. If he’s lost strength and velocity, he’s not Peyton Manning anymore.

I’ll say this, though…if Manning becomes a free agent, I suspect he’ll be healthy enough to play because he’s always struck me as having enough pride that he won’t play if he’s not at least close to his same ability level. But at this point, I seriously doubt he goes anywhere except New York and I’m suspecting that it’s more likely we’ve seen the last of him in the NFL. Which is really unfortunate because he’s been a great player. But that’s just the way it goes…anyone’s career can end at any time.

He signed a HUGE extension

knowing he had a serious injury…

Who Wouldn't?

Sorry, but if somebody offers me $28 million, I’m taking it…whether I can perform at a level to justify it or not. :)

I think Manning probably figured he’d bounce back, though. Everything he’s done during his downtime indicates a guy who thought he’d be able to come back. Sometimes it just doesn’t work out, though.

I'll be surprised if he can play again.

I hope he can, but I don’t see it happening. Fusing vertebra and nerve impingement are no joke.

F250 - January 30, 2012 reply

not true!!!

Peyton clearly said: he was fine before May!
He has more money already than he can spend in 10 lifetimes.

Roesler - January 30, 2012 reply

I completely agree on the pride factor

I don’t think he’ll play if he doesn’t think he can be at least 80-90 percent. He doesn’t want to be one of the athletes that people remember the later years when he struggled (at least I’m guessing he doesn’t).

I also believe we may have seen the last of him.

I don't think If/when

he becomes a free agent it’ll take that long.I’m sure if he feels as though he’s going to play,he’s already narrowed his choices down.I do believe if he can’t return he may retire & become a QB coach followed by OC then HC.

chiefs63 - January 30, 2012 reply

Ranking possible landing spots from his point of view

1. San Fran
2. Jets
3. KC
4. Miami

When did he say this?

SwimCoach - January 30, 2012 reply

My opinion of his point of view

1. San Fran – best coach, best US city, stacked team, weak ass division, Vernon Davis
2. Jets – media whore, steal lil bro’s spotlight, media whore, stacked team
3. KC – stacked team, good receivers, cap room
4. Miami – Good city, Crazy Brandon Marshal

Nice list, H2E.

I’d have to agree with all of it. Though I think I’d have KC ahead of NYJ, only because I don’t know that Peyton would want to go to NY and compete with his brother. But I could be wrong.

Honestly, I think retirement is much more likely at this point. If he’s not healthy, that’s one more year on the sideline. For a player of any age, that might be it.

Falcon58 - January 30, 2012 reply

Analysts have made that exact statement...

he will not go to NY to not upstage is brother…great point though!

chai1836 - January 30, 2012 reply

A couple days ago

Rex made it pretty clear that Sanchez is his guy, and he left no room for ambiguity on that point. And Rex is usually a guy who says what he thinks.

GM/Owner might think different

But its unlikely when he has a bonus coming in march and they’ll have to pay him 11M+ this year.

What is unlikely?

That they stick with Sanchez

Not saying I agree/disagree, but that’s what he meant

Ha!

You got it backwards!

Crap

I really did mean what he said, I swear! :)

Jury

please disregard the previous testimony.

Unlikely that they don't stick with Sanchez

They are more committed to Sanchez

than KC is to Cassel, if that’s possible.

It's not even close.

The Chiefs haven’t given near the commitment to Cassel that Rex has given to Sanchez. The Chiefs have said they can win with Cassel, but have left the door open for Orton and others. Rex has said in no uncertain terms that Sanchez is his starting QB going forward.

^ This

Agreed.

I think the potential landing sites for Manning are a lot fewer than people think.

He cares about his legacy

And will definitely want to go somewhere he believes he can win another SB.

But most of those teams will already have their QB.

All homerism aside

I genuinely see us as one of the best teams in the league without a legit starting QB.

Agreed.

Definitely

I think Miami will be aggressive, maybe Arizona, but beyond that I don’t think there are any ‘definite’ suitors. I think the Jets would pursue as well, but I doubt Peyton would go there.

Miami could be a threat

Arizona Won't

They’re stuck with Kolb for another year and the Bidwills have shown they’re nothing if not cheap (except when it comes to Fitzgerald). Aside from the Super Bowl season, Arizona is one of the dregs of the NFL.

I smash on the homerism all the time on here

But if we had a healthy (or close to healthy) Peyton, yes, we are instant SB contenders.

Instant Super Bowl favorites

I don't think we'd be favorites...

At least by Vegas.

I think we would be right behind GB, NO and NE.

That may change by mid-season though.

Here are the odds as they stand now.

BTW, as soon as one of my books open that

I will be pounding 50-1. Even without Peyton, that’s absurd. I think we’re the favs to win the division and at that point, it’s easy to hedge and make $.

And I have bet the Under season win totals on the Chiefs several times, I’m far from a homer gambler.

Damn...

that’s like a triple negative or something…I am confused…

I'm not sold on San Fran or NYJ looking for a new QB at this point

I think both stand pat

Harbaugh's not stupid

If he can get a bye and make it to the NFC Championship game with scrub ass Alex Smith he can go undefeated with a real QB. Plus its not like Alex Smith is in a position to get his panties in a bunch over being benched for Pey Pey.

makes sense from our perspective

but, I could also see him saying “Smith improved a LOT this year, and he’s our QB… no need to set him back with a Farve-like acquisition”

Harbaugh’s not stupid

Understatement of the year. Dude’s amazing.

On the flip side, he’s SUCH a good coach (especially with QB’s) that he may well view having a genuine franchise QB as less important than a “decent” QB with a stacked team.

Exactly

What’s the point of dismantling a good thing for a QB that might not be healthy when you were a FG away from the SB.

It wouldn't be dismantling anything

The team got to where it was in spite of Alex Smith, not because of him. They could still pound the rock and have a top shelf D.

What's their backup plan if Manning goes down?

Kaepernick? Because it won’t be Alex Smith, because he’ll be playing elsewhere and they sure as hell aren’t going to pay Smith franchise starting QB money only to sign Manning 2-3 months later.

Who else is going to give Smith Franchise starting QB money?

There are only so many jobs to go around. I’ve been told this over and over again by the people here that think Orton would come back to ‘compete’ for the starting QB job.

There's 7-8 starting jobs available

Someone will pay him because someone will be desperate enough. He’s not going to be sitting there until April/May or later without a job.

He will if he wants to roll the dice on getting a big contract

And I count maybe 5 starting jobs available:

Mia, Cle, Wash, Sea…maybe TN.

One of those will go to RG3. One to Flynn.

And as UC said, none of them will give him big $…other than SF. It will likely be in his best interests to wait and ‘hope’ to get a decent contract from SF.

Scratch Tennessee And Washington And Probably Miami

Tennessee is committed to Jake Locker and already has Hasselbeck. Washington isn’t even close to being ready to compete for a Super Bowl…especially now that LaRon Landry has a bad Achilles that needs surgery. Miami is likely going after Matt Flynn.

I also doubt Cleveland will be interested or that Manning would want them, considering the crap state of their WR corps and o-line. They’re still rebuilding. Seattle is possible on that list.

You missed what I was replying to

I was replying to the comment that there will be 7-8 starting jobs open.

Which GB thinks A. Smith would fill.

No, I Got It

I was agreeing with you.

Oh, Wait

Yeah, my bad.

Nowhere

He’s not getting starting money from anywhere except San Francisco. He’s got a market of one team and if San Fran re-signs him, I suspect they get a very low “starter” salary.

No one is giving Smith crazy money

Sign Smith, sign Manning, win Super Bowl, Manning goes out on top, hand keys back over the Smith

Harbough took him from putrid to decent in one year

Wonder what he could do with several?

So 8+M to Smith and another 15-20 to Manning.

They’re going to wrap that much money up in 2 QBS?

I Doubt Manning Gets $20M

More like $10M with incentives. Nobody is betting the farm on a guy with a bad neck. And if he played again, he’d be going for a Super Bowl.

We talking guaranteed?

That will depend completely off his medical reports.

I could see him getting $20 mil if he can convince a team to wait until the Summer, and he has proven or mostly proven his health.

If he can’t…he may not even get $10 mil guaranteed.

It's Possible, But

I don’t think any team gunning for a championship and needing a QB is going to be willing to wait until summer, except maybe the Niners. And I doubt they’ll be breaking the bank for Manning at $20M considering that they aren’t even going to be able to re-sign Carlos Rogers or Shawntae Spencer. If he plays in San Fran to win a title, I think he does so for a discount.

And I don’t think Manning cares as much about the money as he does about competing.

Basically

If he doesn’t sign in New York or San Francisco, even if he’s healthy enough to play I don’t think he comes back.

Those are the favorites, as I see it

And I’ve been saying that for awhile.

It’s hard to know how he views the Chiefs, and that’s the wildcard.

He may realize the potential, or he may see us as a mess from the top down. Who knows.

If We Don't Have A Good OC Hire

I don’t think we even get considered. And by “good” OC hire, I mean somebody who makes people say “wow”.

OTOH

If you are Peyton, and you could ‘pick’ your OC, like get Tom Moore to come back for a couple years…maybe he would prefer that?

I think he does care about the money too

Not that he’d go play in Jacksonville because they give him $30 per year, but I don’t think he’d accept a major discount to play for another contender. Just basing this on the fact that he & his agent really dug in vs Indy to get the best contract in the league.

Then again, he can only take what's offered

or retire

They Didn't Dig In That Much

Irsay made a point of saying before negotiations started that Manning would be the highest paid player.

I agree that Manning plays for money…but I think he’s also the kind of player who would take a discounted deal elsewhere for a shot at one last ring if he’s healthy enough to play.

And I Think Smith Will Be Lucky To Get $8M

I think he’ll be closer to Tarvaris Jackson…$8M for two years.

$4M Per

A relative bargain for his performance this year. He wasn’t that good, but wasn’t that bad.

yeah, for a starting QB that's a low figure

I don't know

how anyone can live on a paltry $4 mill a year…

Yeah but he's so damn close right now

Another angle, he may be so close right now that he can give his entier draft to Indy for #1 overall. He’s a former QB and he developed the greatest QB prospect of our time. He knows the importance and I can’t see him being content with what he’s got.

Good call with Luck

If I was Harbough I’d be willing to give up Smith, this year’s entire draft, and next year too.

Those two would win at least 3 or 4 SB’s together IMO.

SF's problem is where they are picking...

Both this year and in future years.

They would have to pay a LOT more in terms of picks just b/c they will be picking in the back of drafts.

A team like Wash, Sea or Cle, are both bad now, but also you may expect them to be bad in years to come. So 3 #1’s from Cle, for instance =’s a heck of a lot more from SF.

Seattle Is A Team On The Rise, I Believe

Their biggest problem early on was that they replaced four starters on the o-line and had no offseason to get them practicing together. By season’s end, they were a much better unit. They have a very solid run D and a decent offense. They’re a QB away from being a good team, I think.

I'm somewhat on board with that...

And I actually think Wash isn’t that far away either if they had a good QB, which is why I singled out Clev. Of course, if I’m Clev, it makes much more sense to swap picks with STL to get to #2, for far less and roll with RG3.

Still, contrast any of those teams with SF…and you are counting on much better picks over the next 2-3 years.

I Think They're A Lot Further Off

Santana Moss is done and I don’t think they have a #1 WR otherwise. Some young talent, but far too dodgy for Manning to consider. I’m betting Washington ends up drafting Ryan Tannehill.

They had a solid D, and with terrible QB play, a decent O this year

They also were horrible in TO ratio, and a lot of that goes away with a new QB and better luck.

As a gambler, I backed them on a number of occasions this year and did well.

They also beat the piss out of the NFC Champ twice.

Valid Point

But still it’s tough for me to consider a team with DeAngelo Hall as their shutdown corner to be that serious a contender.

Plus, it looks like LaRon Landry is a candidate for Achilles surgery…which he’s refusing to get. Subtract him from the equation and they aren’t nearly as good.

Or

Makes a serious play for Matt Flynn.

Cleveland

will trade its 2 #1 picks this year to move up 2 spots and grab RGIII. Bank on it.

To Move Up Three Spots?

I think their first pick and second rounder would probably do it.

Good point

CLE is the reason i don’t believe we even have a prayer of landing RG3

Yup

See what I just posted right above. It makes too much sense to not happen, for both STL and Cle.

Agreed

If St. Louis trades down, I think it will be to Cleveland.

I think it depends on who's available

if either of those teams can get a healthy Peyton Manning I think they’ll both quietly pursue him but if the best FA QB is Orton or Grossman then I think they’ll stick with what they have.

aFan4Life - January 30, 2012 reply

The question for any team

Is are you willing to go Manning or bust? If SF signs Manning it’s doubtful Alex Smith would re-sign there to be a backup for the next 2-4 years of his career. So what happens if Peyton gets hurt again & can no longer play…you’re basically without a QB & done. The same goes for any other team that would sign him.

Won't get to that point in San Fran

Alex Smith is a FA 5 days after Manning has to be released and they’ll be committed to him long before Manning gets medical clearance.

Good point.

You say that like teams will be beating the door down to sign Smith

And that if they ‘lost’ him they couldn’t replace him with an Orton type.

Smith’s only hope for a big contract is from SF. Otherwise, he’s going to be competing with Orton for whatever the one starting QB spot is left whenever the song ends and the last chair is left.

Who Is Going To Be Going After Alex Smith?

Granted it’s impressive how hard he fought to come back, but his career in San Francisco has been a bust. Injuries, poor development and now limited ability. You’re talking a guy with less upside than Orton…he might be a sought-after backup but nobody cares about making him a starter except San Fran.

san fran

Got to compete with green bay dallas eagles saints harder road to super bowl. Jets are a mess of a team who would want to play for them

rickrock58 - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

In either conference you have to compete with good teams once you get to the playoffs

Is playing Green Bay really much diferent than playing New England or a healthy Pittsburgh? NFC West is the one division that may be worse than the AFC West, cake walk to the playoffs

Best US city?

And the AFC west is pretty weak too.

I don’t think the Jets are as stacked as we think.

I think KC is ahead of those two.

Plus, how do the 49ers let go of Alex Smith after this year?

craig in calgary - January 30, 2012 reply

To get Peyton Freaking Manning

That’s how.

Haha. Touche.

I just think it’s less likely in this case, seeing as how they could consider themselves set at QB.

Did you watch his 4th Q and OT performance vs. NYG?

Horrendous.

Yes, San Fran is the best US city....by a long shot

By what reckoning?

By everyone imaginable

Climate, culture, food, things to do, safety, architecture, on the coast, diversity. Try getting out of JoCo and seeing whats out there

I'd say Portland edges out SF

but both are great cities. I’d go w/ Vancouver B.C. over any of ’em though

Portland > SF

Meh, if I'm ranking the northewest I'm putting both Seattle and San Fran ahead of Portland

Vancouver and Toronto are giving SF a fight for North America’s top city

Other places in the US has that stuff.

And did you miss the whole fight at their stadium thing?

San Fran, if google is correct “in 2008, out of the 83 largest cities in the united states, SF had the 34th highest assault rate, the 26th highest murder rate, the 24th highest total violent crime rate, and the 17th highest robbery rate. Read more: ”http://www.city-data.com/forum/san-francisco/829675-san-francisco-heavily-crime-ridden-city-3.html#ixzz1kxm6Xng7" target="_blank">http://www.city-data.com/forum/san-francisco/829675-san-francisco-heavily-crime-ridden-city-3.html#ixzz1kxm6Xng7"

Not really that safe a city.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

ArrowDread - January 30, 2012 reply

That's why I live in a suburb.

They do have a higher rate of people being able to correctly work links into comments

Just sayin.

San Francisco, the city where

things to do

you can go to give HIV 2 Elway.

HAHAHAAA!

I guess you haven't been to Des Moines

:)

Or Houston or Dallas or any number of other coastal cities not infused with liberal politics.

Or earthquakes.

Is it the bread? Really?

And now we get to the real issue

or any number of other coastal cities not infused with liberal politics

Take my prior comment back, stick to JoCo

JoCo is actually pretty bad too, politics wise.

Thos Spanish-speaking, rainbow loving, hippy freak pinkos can keep their freedom hating, pot smoking liberal agenda away from the good Christain values of the hearland

ArrowDread - January 30, 2012 reply

I can't remember where I read it

but it was an article that said KC is a midwest city, and Manning has grown to really like the midwest lifestyle.

Because those things are so virtuous, right?

BTW, I'm going to make sure my kids learn to speak Spanish, so...yeah...

Hey I live in a suburb of Des Moines

That city is HOPPING…(okay, where’s that damn sarcasm font…)

As long as you aren't there for one of those 500 year earthquakes

You forgot KC and MIA: both in AFC

Better chance to shellack IND and their precious rook in the playoffs

And NYJ for that matter...

Sheesh

I'd put us at #2

And maybe #1…San Fran might be happy with Alex Smith’s performance after this post-season. Are the Jets done with Sanchez? And even if they weren’t would Peyton want to upstage his bro by coming to NY and also want to play the Pats twice or maybe 3 times a year? And I think with some draft and FA pickups to fill out the right side of the line (DeCastro and Nicks, or Decastro and Sanders or Reiff and some other right guard pickup) our line is pretty well set. I think our team as a whole is better than Miami, and has better receivers, Brandon Marshall not withstanding.

Id say it would be

SF
Arizona
Miami
Vikings
Jets

Willie Beamon - January 30, 2012 reply

KC's not even in the running?

Vikings think they have their guy in Ponder.

Won't be San Fran or Miami.

San Francisco will have to make a decision on Alex Smith long before Manning gets cleared to play and he starts looking for a team and I just can’t see Miami potentially going into OTAs with no QB.

honestly dont think we will see him play again

I think he will retire

banshee_01 - January 30, 2012 reply

I think he retires too

but would love to see him play for KC… healthy

SwimCoach - January 30, 2012 reply

agreed and agreed

so would I, but I just dont see it happening

banshee_01 - January 30, 2012 reply

Yup

chai1836 - January 30, 2012 reply

Pey-Pey's free agency >>>>>>treeblowmania

reedeasy - January 30, 2012 via Android app reply

not as big as lebron's decision

what an arrogant crock of shit that whole mess was. I’m incredibly glad he didn’t win a championship

trentchiefsfan - January 31, 2012 reply

Maybe Romeo is waiting for Manning to announce his retirement

so he can hire him as the OC

KingChief - January 30, 2012 reply

that'd be awesome

I had a crazy thought about this^^^

What are the rules if we were to hire Manning as the OC, and had him fill in a bit ac Quarterback? Would that be a hit on our cap space or just staff money?

Bassbustin - January 30, 2012 reply

It Would Be A Cap Hit

Because he’d have to get a salary as a player. No way around that. I don’t even know that the NFL allows player-coaches, actually.

wustl_chiefs_fan - January 30, 2012 reply

Durn, thought it was a good idea.

OH well, we got some room on the cap, if healthy sign and pay the man. I do remember Joe coming to town and how shocked the NFL world was on that day. I was kinda Giddy myself.

Bassbustin - January 30, 2012 reply

But...think of the commercials!

cheapham - January 30, 2012 reply

At least with Peyton they'd have an actual reason to talk.

“There’s been a report out of our subsidiary in Azerbaijan, that there was a man who saw Tebow in his toast. The baked flour and water mixture has reportedly been encased in a tomb near a Christian temple in the city of Baku. "

KCJayhawk - January 30, 2012 reply

toast = pastry = Peyton Popups

A Registered Trademark of the Indianapolis Colts, Inc

upamtn - January 30, 2012 reply

The only reason the coverage of Tebow was bad was because he didn't deserve it.

Manning absolutely deserves the spotlight.

i bet hunts tight-wad,money-hungry...

mind has been racing to see what kind $$$ manning could bring in on ticket sales and other items if we signed him.

wolfpack0735 - January 30, 2012 reply

The day we sign him...

I’m buying that jersey…go along nicely with my Montana jersey…

I can't wait for Peyton to hit the market

and for the Chiefs to make absolutely no attempt to get him.

Bono Bootleg - January 30, 2012 reply

At least the Manning coverage would be warranted--Hall of Famer leaving the only team he's played for.

The ESPN Tebow nightmare was just ridiculous.

Rev. Slappy - January 30, 2012 reply

Agree about Tebow

I can’t even watch ESPN. They have decided that kid is money and they can talk about him til they are blue in the face, I wish everyone would just change the channel so they’d get the hint.

Spiderwomn69 - January 30, 2012 reply

IDK

After the 4th or 5th straight win it was starting to get warranted

“QB with no real QB skills on hottest team in NFL”

Before that, though, I totally agree.

and here I thought it was all about

“the virgin QB with herpes simplex 1”

Hey, misunderstandings happen

I thought it was about

“How on earth did the starting QB for Florida stay a virgin?”

Touche!

If I Had To Bet

He isn’t.

Sorry, but consider the quality of tail that gets thrown at pro football players, nobody is THAT pure.

I have a hard time believing that some groupie type chick

Wouldn’t have blown the whistle on him by now.

You KNOW so-called “journalists” would offer money for a chick that could prove she’d been, ahem, Tebowed…

Didn't Say It Was A Groupie

You think QBs aren’t able to score hot non-groupie women who can keep their mouths shut?

BCRavenJHawkfan - January 30, 2012 reply

Or they go to pros.

I’m not suggesting Tebow has gone to prostitutes but a lot of famous people do because those broads will keep their mouths shut.

Rev. Slappy - February 3, 2012 reply

I think he should retire

He needs to look out for himself. Every team that wants him. I know he wants another shot at a championship (especially if Eli wins next week), but the risk of possibly getting hit and never walking again seems too high. Plus it’s always better to go out on top, don’t Favre your career Peyton!

Spiderwomn69 - January 30, 2012 reply

As long as Manning doesn't throw his religion in my face...

I will actually enjoy watching the media circus.

chai1836 - January 30, 2012 reply

Right now I'm more interested in his recovery prognosis.

I read recently that he has tried stem cell therapy in order to promote healing.
If that is indeed true, that is cutting edge therapy that is NOT completely proven to work, which may indicate that medically he is just not healing correctly.

um, yeah...

which may indicate that medically he is just not healing correctly.

Won’t it be fun to see Peyton trying to play for another team and the ball comes out at some point in his throwing motion (aka Brad Johnson) every third time he takes it back?

Adult stem cells, mind you.

What difference does that make?

Just an opportunity to get a Pro Hate stance out there

Because adult stem cells hate people.

So intelligent, H2E. Makes one envious.

And, you know, since you're the epitome of non-hate and tolerance.

HIV 2 Elway.

Another one for the hypocrite pile.

Because hating an individual is so analogous to grouping people together that you have never met and that will never have an impact on your life and trying to restrict their rights and liberties

I missed where this thread went from

Peyton’s recovery prognosis to a discussion on social conservatism. I thought that one was back up the page a bit.

You mean like murderers?

And no, there really isn’t a big diff.

And IF you could point out where I said I hated any group of people, it would be nice; since I don’t….

You want Pro Hate?

Just attend a Tea Party gathering.

I have. I've attened OWS as well

In my experience with the two, a LOT more hate was spewed at OWS.

Maybe it was the exception, but it’s worth noting…

And you're doing the very thing here you accuse them of.

I think this will take awhile to sort itself out too so expect this soap opera to continue.

If Peyton decides to retire or play, the decision probably won’t be made until long after he’s released.

Hard to imagine how the decision

could be made until long after he’s released, if he is released. There is no way on earth he is healthy before that roster bonus comes due.

I honestly wouldnt expect a decision until after the draft.

When most of the teams who would be in the running will have drafted an option or will be neck deep in bonuses and salaries for their current starters.

Yep...

It’s highly unlikely Pey Pey plays anywhere in 2012… just my opinion, of course, ‘cuz I’m no investigative journalist (one of the few things I’m not mind you) but it gets harder and harder to see how any team takes a leap for Peyton with his health issues and the money he can still probably command.

"Neck deep"

I see what you did there.

DrDC - January 30, 2012 reply

if KC fixes their O-Line in the draft

and if Peyton can get healthy this year, I think KC is looking pretty attractive after the draft. It’s one team where an offensive system isn’t established. He could come in and make it his pretty quickly.

ChiefsDude - January 30, 2012 reply

Baltimore hiring Caldwell today probably means they'll go after him

As for KC, the big advantage we have is the cap space to pay him like an elite QB without sacrificing other spots on the roster. That assumes Pioli & Hunt are actually willing to pay him, which is questionable.

because Caldwell coached him

for about one year?

Caldwell was the QB coach in indy for like 10 years

So Peyton made Caldwell

and Caldwell owes him a favor?

Or maybe Caldwell owes

Ferentz a favor, since he started there… man it goes deep.

If Baltimore gets Manning though they likely let Flacco walk.

And then we pick up Flacco because his favorite mentor is our QB coach. He’s not an enormous upgrade but at least he has an NFL arm.

yeah, I don't care for Flacco, but I guess he'd be an upgrade