It's the offseason and not much is going on with the Kansas City Chiefs so we're going to be breaking out the blogger's best friend: Lists! Yes, lists. The best XXX or the top five XXX. Whatever.
Today I wanted to rank the AFC West quarterbacks for no good reason. Here's how I see all the AFC West quarterbacks shaking out . There are definitely some arguments in there. What would you change about the list below?
1. Philip Rivers, San Diego Chargers: Yeah, he had a down year in 2011 but he's still the best of the bunch here. He was the fourth overall pick eight years ago and he's been worth it. The Chargers haven't won a Super Bowl in that time frame and some wonder if their window is opening but, regardless, Rivers is the best AFC West quarterback.
2. Carson Palmer, Oakland Raiders: This is as much about Palmer's past performance as it is his future performance. Last year, he was so-so throwing 13 touchdown passes to 16 interceptions in just over half a season. In the future, though, I expect his numbers to get better. Based on his first nine years in the league, I think Palmer is better than both the Chiefs and Broncos quarterbacks.
3. Matt Cassel, Kansas City Chiefs: Maybe an argument that he should be above Palmer. But right now I think he's the third best quarterback in the AFC West. He's pretty inconsistent from season-to-season so I don't think I can put him above Palmer.
4. Tim Tebow, Denver Broncos: Yes, the one playoff quarterback in this group is ranked last. I don't wanna start another wild Tim Tebow fight but based on the most simple break down of the job of a quarterback -- completing passes to receivers -- Tebow ranks last.
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Tebow > Cassel
My opinion…
Matt_Grbac - January 30, 2012 via mobile
I think he has more value
But there’s no way he’s a better QB. Tebow can’t even complete half his passes.
DrDC - January 30, 2012
Gotta think
Had an amazing game in the playoffs and beat the Steelers.
Had 660 rushing yards and 6tds during season.
He rallied his team around him every game. I would take him over Cassel any day.
Matt_Grbac - January 30, 2012 via mobile
He went 10 for 21 in that amazing game against the Steelers.
Those are good rushing numbers. Doesn’t say anything for his QB ability.
McGahee for one has already been a bit snippish in the media about how much credit Tebow gets for their victories. If they lose, Tebow’s rallying abilities won’t count for much.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
Well I haven't heard McGahee get pissy about Tebow getting credit for wins...
All I’ve heard is that some Ravens fans at a signing took a shot at Tebow and McGahee fired back saying, “that’s not very nice. That would be like me saying maybe you guys would have won if you had a better kicker.”
Doesn’t sound like he’s a got a problem with Tebow to me.
bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012
Well, he was more getting pissy at a reporter.
He was being asked about Tebow, and he said something like “Ya know, there are other guys on this team who’ve been busting their asses, too.”
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
Ah
I missed that.
bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012 via mobile
Yep, and that's not the only guy...
However, when John Elway hedges his bets about Tebow, people freak out. It’s not like Elway knows anything about playing QB in the NFL, but if the Tebow apologists think Elway is sold on Tebow for the long term in Denver, they are about as sharp as a brick to the forehead.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
I'd bet money that Elway regrets the hiring
of Mc Daniels, Elway, as much as I’e hated him for what seems to be half a century is no slouch. He will not settle for Tim Tebow
tomachop - January 30, 2012
From a QB perspective
Tyler Palko = Tim Tebow
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
Palko is much more accurate on the short routes.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
Did you actually
use “accurate” and “Palko” in the same sentence? And without the sarcasm font?
Tebow > Palko pretty easily, and it may be that Tebow > Cassel.
AnkenyChiefsFan - January 30, 2012
I said "more accurate."
Palko is not accurate, but he’s more accurate than Tebow, unless Tebow has enough room for his Gator wind-up.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
I get the Cassel isn't good talk
And I agree a lot of the time, but if you think Tebow is better than Cassel you’re insane. Put Tebow on the Chiefs, and we’re trash. If you don’t believe me, refer back to the Tyler Palko games.
Flowers24 - January 30, 2012
Heh, stop with the friendly fire.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
Put Tebow on the Chiefs
and we have no need for LeRon McClain…
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Haley didn't think we needed him anyway.
Tarkus - January 30, 2012
Yes
I could say Palko > Tebow waaaaaaay before I could say Tebow > any QB on an NFL team.
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
"an amazing game in the playoffs"
because the Steelers got overly aggressive against the run, and let receivers run wide open in space behind the defense. Stupid, reckless behavior from a veteran defense… and Tebow made a couple throws.
Tebow, in a game where he completed ten passes, TEN (!) passes, made ONE good throw. One. In overtime, and the receiver took it 65 YAC for the TD.
Again, give the credit where due, and it ain’t Tebow.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Well, it wasn't really a veteran defense on the field,
considering that every single one of the Steelers’ starting D linemen were out. Oh, and their starting SOLB. So, Tebow was playing against an 80% backup defensive front.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
Oh, and a backup safety.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
Yes, thank you...
I didn’t mention the players they were missing because it would have sounded apologetic for the Steelers, and whiny about Tebow.
But you are absolutely correct. That was a weak Steeler team that Tebow gets all the credit for beating.
Look how he did the next week, on the road, against arguably the worst Patriots defense we’ve seen in years and years.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
You're wrong.
Tebow definitely made more than one good throw. I saw it with my own eyes lol.
They even replayed a FEW (yes, few) of them on TV. There was a play where Polamalu was playing too aggressive and bit on a route that looked like a drag, only for the receiver to cut up field and Tebow to deliver a perfect strike over the top.
I don’t think Tebow is a great QB or anything, but at least give him credit where it’s due.
bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012
I give the credit to the defense.
The defense kept the scores low deep into the 4th qtrs most every game. Tebows success came late in the 4th qtr when teams were playing not to lose. Most of his games the Donks were scoreless or close to it until late in the game. Had it not been for the Donks defense holding opponents to 7 to 10 points while Tebow was 3 and out most drives, they wouldn’t have won any of those games. But if my aunt had a dick she’d be my uncle. IMO, the Donks D played extremely well down the stretch and that’s where the majority of the credit should be given. Not looking forward to that D next year but, as long as they keep Tebow in the starting line up, they should be at the bottom or near the bottom of the west next season. You can only play wild cat for so long in the NFL. Worked for the Phins for one season and I don’t see it being any different for the Donks.
Chiefs_40 - January 30, 2012
Exactly.
Well said and rec’d.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
I'm okay with that...
but you said yourself it was over the top of the safety… which, again, has been my point.
It has to be “few” since he only completed ten. Yes, I will give him credit for recognizing the open receiver (I’m looking at you Cassel AND Orton) in those instances. Yes, he throws a good deep ball. So there’s credit.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Yeah it sure didn't seem like the Steelers gave Tebow
any respect at all and for good reason. Seemed like they were trying to jump routes and set records instead of just lining up and playing ball.
Chiefs_40 - January 30, 2012
Hey, they got cocky and it bit em in the ass.
Kinda proves you cant just do whatever you want against Tebow. Still gotta play disciplined ball or he’ll burn you, and he’s proved it time and time again now. With his arm and his legs.
Matt Cassel, on the other hand… Yeah, defenses can still cheat against him and get away with it, because he’s unlikely to be able to make them pay.
bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012 via mobile
Tebow is a better running back than Cassel
But this comparison is about QBs. When Tebow can complete more than 60% of his passes and pass for more than 200 yds on a consistent basis, THEN he might enter into the debate. Right now he’s a RB playing QB. (Cam Newton is what Tim Tebow should be as a QB, but he’s not, not anywhere close.)
Dagda - January 30, 2012
but half of cassels completions go 2yd or less
push.
ExtraMetal - January 30, 2012
This
Tebow completed only 10 passes against the Steelers but averaged 31.6 yards per completion. What?
bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012 via mobile
thats 316 yards right?
really? I thought the Tebowie skit was talking about his career stats
tomachop - January 30, 2012
Tebow over Cassel?
No way. Not even close. Tebow might be a better fullback, or even halfback, but there is no way he is a better quarterback than any starting quarterback in the league. Not one.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
As a starter
He is 8-3, correct? His passes in the Pittsburg game showed some promise…he’s been able to hit Thomas on some deep routes. He is not a good QB, but he is better than a lot of non-Bronco fans give him credit for.
AnkenyChiefsFan - January 30, 2012
Yeah, the Denver team was 8-3 with him
as a starter this year… but non-Bronco fans know who was winning those games, and it wasn’t Tebow.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Last time I checked
At least 6 or 7 of those wins, he led them to 4th quarter comebacks…I’m not a Tebow fan, and I hope the Donks hang their hats on him for the next 10 years, but still, he is not as bad as a couple people here are making him out to be…I think Cassel is better, but only just…and I think Tebow has a stronger “will to win” than Cassel does.
AnkenyChiefsFan - January 30, 2012
He throws the ball end over end for God's sake!
He misses open receivers by YARDS unless they are wide open and behind the defense.
His screen passes are rainbows.
His windup takes seven tenths of a second!
He tucks and runs at the first sign of pressure…
the list goes on and on and on and on.
If McHoodie doesn’t spend #15 overall on him, he’s on the end of the pine somewhere and never sees the light of day.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
I wasn't sure if you were talking about Tebow or Cassel
until you started talking about McHoodie
ChiefWildcat - January 30, 2012
Ha Ha!
If only Cassel could run like Tebow…
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
I agree this is not condoning Cassel
I hope that the Denver fans Demand Tebow time,.. hell yeah!!!
tomachop - January 30, 2012
and a hells yeah rec!
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
If you're counting the playoffs
Then 8-5 this season, right?
7-4 regular season, 1-1 playoffs.
All time (including postseason) record of 9-7 as a starter. 8-6 if you’re just counting regular season.
bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012
Has Tebow been to a Pro Bowl?
Dagda - January 30, 2012
Orton > Cassel
Only played a few games compared to many, but in those couple of games he actually moved the ball… like actually threw it down field!!
GaryfromIA - January 30, 2012
Agreed
Orton is way better!
Cassel is a backup spot starter at best.
Matt_Grbac - January 30, 2012 via mobile
That's ludacris
Flowers24 - January 30, 2012
No no no no
THAT’S Ludacris
TRSChief - January 30, 2012
greened!
Spelling police! Ludicrous… “so foolish, unreasonable, or out of place to be amusing.”
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Has Orton ever been to a Pro Bowl?
Dagda - January 30, 2012
I'm scared of Palmer.
Tebow, not so much.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
No wonder the rest of the NFL is scared of the AFC West
That’s one inspiring list there.
mushin - January 30, 2012
My rankings
Phyllis Rivers
Kyle Orton
Carson Palmer
Matt Cassel
Tim Tebow
Brad-KC - January 30, 2012
Same here!
Beefcakess - January 30, 2012
Mine
Phyllis Cry Me a River
Kyle Orton
Carson Palmer
Ricky Stanzi
Jason Campbell
Brady Quinn
Brokie Croyle
Tebow and Cassel are tied
Jerheme Horne
Casey Weigmann
about 50 other people
Tyler Palko
another 200 people
Todd Haley
Fozzyboyd - January 30, 2012
Mine
Phyllis
Orton
Palmer
Campbell
Tebow
Cassel=Palko
ChiefWildcat - January 30, 2012
It's sad how much better rivers is than anyone else
I mean it’s Rivers and then a huge drop off.
SoCalChief17 - January 30, 2012 via mobile
It might be sad
but Rivers has been home watching Cassel and Tim Freaking Tebow in the playoffs the last two years, so he can suck it.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
I'll take inconsistent over the worst turnover QB in the league
As much as I dislike Cassel he’s a better option the Palmer.
GenericBrand - January 30, 2012
I’m not sure how you can say
and then in the next sentence say
Because if you’re basing things on his first nine years in the league then you know those numbers aren’t going to get much better.
GenericBrand - January 30, 2012
Yeah, Carson does one thing well
and that is throw the long ball to a wide open receiver behind KC’s safety in OT.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
ouch
Chiefs_40 - January 30, 2012
some one tell that to all the Kyle Orton fanboys grasping at straws
Texas Chief - January 31, 2012
agreed
stagdsp - January 30, 2012
You forgot
Ricky Stanzi!!
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
damn right :)
GaryfromIA - January 30, 2012
How can Palko not be on here
he throws a better hail mary than anyone on this list
KingChief - January 30, 2012
Not TRUE, all Tebow's TD's are Hail Mary's
dbakerku - January 30, 2012
It pains me to do this
Based on 2011’s AFC West QBs…
1. Phyllis Rivers
2. Carson Palmer
3. Jason Campbell
4. Kyle Orton
5. Tim Tebow
6. Matt Cassel
7. Billy Volek
8. Ricky Stanzi
9. Tyler Palko
10. Kyle Boller
kc_radrh8r - January 30, 2012
Tyler Palko
might be the worst NFL QB to ever start a game.
Brad-KC - January 30, 2012
Right behind Tim Tebow, maybe.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
I don't argue that he's in contention for that title
but Boller’s 3 int first half against us was actually worse somehow. 7-14 for 61 yards, 3 INTs and a qb rating of 22.3. That edges out Tyler Thigpen’s first NFL start in Atlanta in 2008… 14-36 for 128 yards, 1 TD and 3 INTs and a qb rating of 23.8. Granted I’m sure there are historically worse games played by somebody but these are the worst I recall ever seeing.
kc_radrh8r - January 30, 2012
Marinovich.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
The depressing thing...
is that Tebow completed 2 passes against us and WE LOST! TWO FRIGGING COMPLETIONS!! Why did we not have 8 guys in the box for the ENTIRE game?
AnkenyChiefsFan - January 30, 2012
It was the first time we'd seen that offense.
Look what happened the second time KC played Denver, three points. And the second time NE played them….
Tebow better come up with some new tricks this off-season, now that the NFL has seen him, or his offense might never score a point again.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
If we'd won that game
we would have played, and IMHO beaten Pittsburgh, and then lost to the Patriots instead of Denver playing out that scenario…
AnkenyChiefsFan - January 30, 2012
Yup, one more win. Either that one or the two-blocked-FGs game.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
Or a dropped TD by Bowe.
GenericBrand - January 30, 2012
Coulda, shoulda, woulda!
Kyle Orton would have folded against Pittsburgh, its what he does!
CH74 - January 31, 2012
2 completions...
but one of those was a 56 yard game winner over the top. Soo…
bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012
How long do you think
safeties will continue to be bored by Tebow and keep cheating up? That’s his ONE redeeming quality as an NFL QB…
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
As I mentioned above..
Just proves defenses can’t cheat against him. He makes em pay. Over and over again it happened this season, for TDs and/or big gains.
Play the short routes or the run too aggressively, he can beat you over the top. Blitz too heavily and he can get out of the pocket and roast you with his legs (looking at you, Jets).
Hell
bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012 via mobile
I agree!
I give Tebow credit for being able to burn a defense with the long ball over the top when the defense screws the damn pooch. But that will not happen for the long term!
If you can’t defend the run against Tebow, make him a halfback… when defenses figure out that they can stop the run, and defensive backfields don’t drool over being in the spotlight for getting the tackle on the GREAT Tim Tebow, this shit ends.
John Fox and the Denver defense deserve 90% of the credit everyone is more than willing to heap onto Tim Tebow.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
As I mentioned above..
Just proves defenses can’t cheat against him. He makes em pay. Over and over again it happened this season, for TDs and/or big gains.
Play the short routes or the run too aggressively, he can beat you over the top. Blitz too heavily and he can get out of the pocket and roast you with his legs (looking at you, Jets).
Hell, put too many DBs on the field and of he takes off he’ll maul those guys.
He’s harder to defend than Cassel, I don’t have much doubt about that.
bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012 via mobile
figure out the Wildcat
then you’ve got Tebow under wraps,. really that easy IMO
tomachop - January 30, 2012
Hahaha
You put Tim Tebow at 5????? I would put him and Palko in a tie for worst QB’s to ever start a game, ever.
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
Palko shouldn't be on the top ten at all
Seriously who’s our emergency quarterback? I’d rather put J-Roc in a chiefs jersey before we ever see Palko in one again.
SoCalChief17 - January 30, 2012 via mobile
Rivers > Palmer > Orton > Tebow > Cambell > Quinn > Volek > Boller > Cassel > Palko
ArrowDread - January 30, 2012
Hard to take anyone serious putting Cassel below Quinn, Volek and Boller.
GenericBrand - January 30, 2012
You seen Cassel play?
Hard to put him ahead of any of them
ArrowDread - January 30, 2012
Again, congratulations on discrediting anything you have to say on this subject.
GenericBrand - January 30, 2012
Quinn, Volek, and Boller all were good enough to see the field in college
Cassel not so much. Only got a starting job cause hes Pioli’s puppet
ArrowDread - January 30, 2012
So by that standard
Any college QB > Cassel?
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
Agreed, but not only by that standard.
also by the standard Cassel has set with his play on the field
ArrowDread - January 30, 2012
That's crazy
Most college QB’s would look like Palko or worse.
Cassel’s not good at all, but he doesn’t suck at that level.
Judging a pro on their college career gets a little ridiculous after awhile. Michael Crabtree isn’t even a top 20 WR, yanno?
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
MN
Don’t even waste your breath. He’s just trying to be an antagonist. Cassel isn’t great but is BY FAR better than any of those clowns.
Flowers24 - January 30, 2012
If ya'll want to get in a pissing match
about some arbitrary, meaningless “rankings”, have at it. Anyone who has a set of eyes can watch the games and see Cassel is not a good NFL QB
ArrowDread - January 30, 2012
No ones stated otherwise
All theyre disputing is how ludicrous your ranking is and the even more ludicrous reasons you have for ranking them that way.
GenericBrand - January 30, 2012
Just win baby
ArrowDread - January 30, 2012
No argument there
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
Volek/Boller/Quinn= 24 wins in 25 seasons. Most of those by Boller on one of the best defensive teams of the last 25 years.
Matt Cassel= 28 wins in 8 seasons.
GenericBrand - January 30, 2012
Oh yea in the NFL
You know when it actually matters?
GenericBrand - January 30, 2012
Chiefs win in spite of Cassel
ArrowDread - January 30, 2012
And Baltimore didnt?
Get back to me when you come up with something tangible like facts that don’t include useless references to college football.
GenericBrand - January 30, 2012
Check out some game film
Cassel aint go it.
ArrowDread - January 30, 2012
He's got it more then all those other guys you listed
Apparently he has it more then all of them combined.
GenericBrand - January 30, 2012
Boller is a sick. Fool’s got a rocket arm. He can sit on his knees on the 50, and throw the ball through the goalpost.
Another Successful Tedford QB - January 30, 2012
And this helps him how
That’s like saying JaMarcus Russel is greatness because he can throw the ball 70 yards
KingChief - January 30, 2012
Haha, just trying to backup my Cal brethren. It’s nice to watch a QB that actually can sling it around a bit. Noodle arm Cassel has trouble throwing it 20 yards.
Another Successful Tedford QB - January 30, 2012
I'm with you
It gets old watching defenses cheat up, knowing they don’t have to respect the deep ball.
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
I argue the deep pass is the most exciting play in football. Too bad Chief fans probably experienced the least amount of them the last few years.
Another Successful Tedford QB - January 30, 2012
We saw quite a few this year!
From the opponent…
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Well that's not fair
What about draws? we saw TONS of those, and at really weird times! Doesn’t itadd to the excitement when a play is called at a really inappropriate time?
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
How can you not enjoy Bowe making circus catches on 10 yard passes
and all the WR getting blown up on 5 yard passes and screens
KingChief - January 30, 2012
My favorite is the 3 second stare down before the quick screen/bubble screen passes
Another Successful Tedford QB - January 30, 2012
How else is the guy supposed to know the ball is coming?
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
The DB?
Tarkus - January 30, 2012
28 wins in 8 years?
So Cassel averages 3.5 wins per year? Sounds about right…
ArrowDread - January 30, 2012
Agreed
That’s why Ryan Mallet’s a stud. Look how many wins he averages per year!
Because, you know, it makes sense to include years spent on the bench.
Cassel’s not a good QB. You don’t need to “spin” stuff to make that point.
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
Hard to take anyone serious who thinks Cassel is a real NFL QB
You living a lie. Just like your boy!
ArrowDread - January 30, 2012
To even insinuate that Tebow is better than Cassel
Is embarrassing. Cassel is a good qb, just not good enough to really take us to the next level.
MichaelMantastic - January 30, 2012
Tebow wins. Cassel does not
ArrowDread - January 30, 2012
Like in KC they win despite the QB.
Denvers record was no better then KCs when Cassel got injured.
GenericBrand - January 30, 2012
While Tebow was the greatest college football player ever
Cassel was shaggin’ punts in garbage time
ArrowDread - January 30, 2012
How many Super Bowls or AFCW Titles did Tebow win at Florida?
GenericBrand - January 30, 2012
If Denver offered Tebow for Cassel straight up, I'd take him
Without even hesitating.
His problems can be solved with pro coaching (which Cassel has had plenty of), and he can at least throw the deep ball and presents problems for a defense. Cassel does neither of these.
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
Thank goodness you aren't involved
in the Chiefs’ personnel decisions!
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Apparently
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
I'm stunned
Flowers24 - January 30, 2012
I have that effect on people
Usually not for good reasons, but oh well…
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
I hear what you're saying.
Folks are just in denial.
Tebow possesses a plethora of important qualities that cannot be taught.
Matt Cassel is what he is. Tim Tebow can be as great as his game can be coached up to be.
It’s about a known quantity vs. high potential. Mediocre game manager vs. a tendency to win games in clutch moments.
I’d be interested in that trade as well.
bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012
The thing is, I know lots of really great people.
Honest to a fault, care more about others than about themselves, smart. Some were even pretty great leaders. But none of that qualified them to play in the NFL.
It’s like, living in St. Joe I see multiple 340 lb’ers every day, but none of them are qualified to play NT for the Chiefs.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
So, John Elway is also in denial?
John Elway, who happens to have some sway in Denver, is still not sold on Tebow as the long-term QB.
John Fox, who did a masterful job of changing the offense to fit Tebow, also deserves a lot of credit. He supports Tebow, but has hardly made a ringing endorsement to the long-term future of Timmy as “the man.”
I’m on the record hoping beyond hope that Denver starts Tim Tebow as QB for the next freaking decade. John Elway and John Fox? Not so much.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Wow
you forgot LOT of sarcasm font.
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
Nope. Sure didn't
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
You and me both
Not that I’d be happy with Tebow as my starting QB…I’m just saying I’d rather have him than Cassel.
kc_radrh8r - January 30, 2012
Exactly
I wouldn’t want either, but Tebow is young and showed some development as a passer.
He’s got time to improve to the point of at least being an “average” passer. He’s got the arm strength, just needs the coaching.
Cassel doesn’t have the arm strength, and you can’t coach that. He’s also 5 or 6 years older and has had the benefit of professional coaches for years and years.
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
How could Tebow NOT show development as a passer?
Dude is horrible! It’s hard not to get better than the absolute worst you can possibly be at throwing the rock and still be wearing an NFL uniform.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
True story
All I’m saying, is with his unique skill set as far as being a runner and a leader go, if he’s even able to become an “average” passer he’ll really suck to play against.
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
You wait until the Denver D
has a bad stretch and gives up 24 points per game… and the locker room turns on the “leader” that is Tim Tebow because they can’t average ten. Then we’ll talk.
Tebow had the perfect storm in his favor last year. It won’t last, and he’ll be out of the freaking league.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
People kept saying that all last year, and it didn't happen
I guess we’ll find out.
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
Not until they played NE the second time.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
and the first time, for that matter!
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Denver "Tim Tebow" losses and wins 2011
Detroit 10-45
NE 23-41
Buffalo 14-40
KC 3-7
NE 10-45
Opponents cumulative score? 178. That’s 35.6 points per game.
Wins? Eight. Opponents cumulative score? 117. That’s 14.6 points per game.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
So when their D gives up 35 points, they'll probably lose
That’s good to know for their coachs. Now they know what to avoid :)
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
NO.
They can lose when the opponent scores SEVEN.
Dang you. :-)
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
It's useless to damn him, his lawyer's soul is already forfeit.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
But you should see the deal I got!
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
Fair enough
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
That was a fun list
Can you do one for Cassel?
ChiefWildcat - January 30, 2012
What didn't happen?
The Denver D didn’t give up 24 a game for a stretch? Oh, yeah, that’s right. They didn’t.
So, yeah, we’ll find out.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
It would suck as much as playing against Seneca Wallace.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
For the record, i never liked playing that guy
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
People forget
that Cassel IS YET to make one single player around him better. I’m not trying to attack the guy personally. It’s just the truth. But as bad as Tebow’s stats are, he actually does make the guys around him better. They shipped off Brandon Lloyd, didn’t resign Daniel Graham and went without Eddie Royal for parts of the season, yet he helped Demarius Thomas and Eric Decker have breakout years, both of whom are also just in their second seasons.
kc_radrh8r - January 30, 2012
Interestingly, Decker had exactly the same number of receptions in Orton's five games this year as he did in Tebow's 11 games.
He caught 22 passes for each QB. Obviously, Tebow had over twice as many opportunities to get him the ball.
Thomas wasn’t playing until after Orton was benched.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
I may have been wrong
then with what your numbers indicate, but I wonder if any of that (or at least some I would assume) is due to teams doubling Decker later in the year knowing that he was Tebow’s and the team’s #1 target.
kc_radrh8r - January 30, 2012
Nah, just had more to do with Tebow not throwing nearly as many passes.
Besides, Thomas came in after Tebow started, so Decker wasn’t a one-man show out there.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
Tebow still has no accuracy, even on the deep passes, unless he reverts to his college wind-up.
So far, the coaching isn’t taking. He does try to use a “standard” throwing form, but his passes are all over the place when he does. His comebacks happen when he finally gives up on trying to do things “right,” and just reverts to his old college throwing motion.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
True enough
I’m curious what he’ll look like next year
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
I'm happy that Denver is taking that gamble.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
I think Tebow's throwing motion is the most overblown thing since.. I don't even know..
the way Cam Newton wouldn’t be able to run all over everyone in the NFL like he could in college? Yeeaahhh…
A quick release is important, but Tebow will throw the ball whatever way gets it there when it comes down to it. And if “there” is his receivers’ hands, no one but haters will care.
bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012
Okay, let's look at another QB with a motion similar to Tebow.
Byron Leftwich.
Nice career? Promising start? Flamed out. Injuries, sure, but did anyone really think he was awesome the way they think Tebow is awesome?
I guess old Byron just got the shaft.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
I like Leftwich, he's still a solid backup.
But his delivery was even slower than Tebow’s, and he lacked the athleticism and “intangibles”.
bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012 via mobile
And he played for the Jaguars...
bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012 via mobile
The problem with his throwing motion is that he needs space and time.
Rodgers can be in the middle of traffic and shoot out a frozen rope at a moment’s notice. Tebow does have the arm strength, but his difficulty is that he needs some significant set-up time to throw accurately. People talk about his loopy wind-up getting stripped, but it’s really about him not being able to deliver the ball right now. That really hurts him on his scrambles, when he’d really hurt the defense if he could hit a receiver who only came open for a second or two. That’s why he HAS to throw over the top when the play breaks down, because his wind-up doesn’t give him time to shoot the ball into open-and-shut windows underneath the coverage.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
and when he scrambles to his right
he simply cannot make a throw unless he comes to a complete stop.
But that kind of honest criticism of Tim Tebow is pure sacrilege.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
I don't think anyone
is comparing Tebow to Rodgers…
But to say Palko > Tebow as some have or even = is a bit ridiculous. C’mon, man!
AnkenyChiefsFan - January 30, 2012
Ha, no, I'm not trying to hold Tebow up to Rodgers.
Just saying what I see wrong with Tebow’s delivery, and why he’s trying to change it. The thing you hear most is that it gives defenders a chance to strip it, but I don’t think that hurts him nearly as much as the lost opportunities to fit the ball into fast windows.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
Cassel presents plenty of problems for a defense!
1. Which D-lineman wants the sack this three and out?
2. Should I pick up that incomplete screen pass? Was it a backwards pass?
3. Is that throw gonna hit my family in the seventh row?
4. Should I run this pick into the end zone or just run around and take some more time off the clock?
5. Damn, KC’s punter must really be getting tired. Should I run into him just because I feel bad for the guy?
Those are but a few of the problems he creates for a defense.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Haha rec
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
Ha so true
Mobile rec
chiefsman! - January 30, 2012 via mobile
Here's a question
would you rather have Tebow under center or Foles/Cousins. Denver spent a first rounder on Tebow and we may have a chance at drafting a better pro-style (there’s no doubt Tebow was a better college QB) QB in the third round this year.
Chiefs4Life - January 30, 2012
Do I have to answer?
:-)
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
I'd rather have Stanzi.
You’re welcome, neiowakcfan.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
:-)
rec’d for gratuity
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Tim Tebow should not be any higher than dead last on any list that is made in this post.
There is no argument that could justify anything more.
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
So you're saying Palko>Tebow?
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
I'd say =
but if I had to choose, I would, without any hesitation, take Palko over Tebow. In fact, I’m not sure there is any QB in the entire NFL that I wouldn’t take before Tebow. He is the worst QB in the league.
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
Clearly you're completely unbiased on the subject
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
It's really a moot point
We’re comparing Tebow to Palko. Both are horrendous QB’s. One of them should be a TE and the other should be a coach. Either way, I honestly don’t think I would choose Tebow to be my QB over any QB on an NFL roster.
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
Yea but tebow won games
Palko pooped the bed in his games . Rather incomplete passes than interceptions
chiefsman! - January 30, 2012 via mobile
Right
Saying Tebow won games is like saying Palko beat the Bears. C’mon.
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
Rediculous.
Chiefs fans hatred of Tebow and the Broncos lead to rediculous statements like this.
Is Tebow a fantastic QB? No, but give him credit where credit is due, he had some good moments and played very well vs the #1 ranked defense.
Palkso will never play a down of NFL football again
craig in calgary - January 30, 2012
I hate the Broncos because they are a
division rival. I don’t hate Tebow. I hate his QB throwing skills. He’s friggin’ horrible. There is a reason John Fox went to the spread option; to best utilize his narrow skill set. Period.
There is a reason Denver only asks him to throw the ball about 15-20 times a game. If he has to throw it forty times, they LOSE. Guaranteed.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Chiefs prospects are given 3 years to develop and given free passes until then.
Tebow has played less than half a year, and oh by the way, also won a playoff game.
Give him a full offeseason/preseason, and you’ll see improvement, I promise you.
By the way, I couldn’t read the 2nd paragraph because you ended the first one with Period.
craig in calgary - January 30, 2012
No he hasn't.
At least get your facts straight. He’s a second year guy, going into his third year, and he started/appeared in at least four games as a rookie. How is that less than half a year?
His rookie year, he had a full preseason. Promise away.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Yes, I ended the first with Period.
Because I was making a point regarding that statement. Sorry you can’t process two thoughts. My bad.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Ok internet tough guy
Haha your signature tells me all I need to know abour your ability to judge QB’s. Hahah the bum couldn’t beat out Tyler Palko
craig in calgary - January 30, 2012
PERIOD
NUFF SAID
craig in calgary - January 30, 2012
Whoa
Big font.
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
I think he means it
tomachop - January 30, 2012
He certainly hasn't been back...
and I’m really not an internet tough guy. I do like to blow up the Tebow lovefest, though. I admit that.
Too bad it’s so easy. I like small toys.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Dear craigincalgary
Your inability to infer sarcasm from my signature line tells me all I need to know about your ability to process information.
PERIOD.
Have a nice day.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
That's funny because I recall Tyler Palko sitting at 3rd string behind one Ricky Stanzi...
Hmmm…
Weird that he didn’t even beat him but he was ahead of him on the depth chart.
bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012
That was RAC, after Haley.
Haley (Pittsburgh guy) had Palko (Pittsburgh guy) ahead of Stanzi all year.
craig in calgary is correct. Stanzi did not beat out Palko under Haley’s watch.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
UMM, OK?
Is that Haley’s fault or Stanzi’s? Let’s be reasonable here.
bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012 via mobile
I don't know.
The fact is, RAC moved Stanzi up to #2 and demoted Palko immediately upon being named interim HC.
You decide.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
How many snaps
did Stanzi get in actual game time this season? Palko started, what, 4 games? We didn’t see Stanzi at all. Heck, half the time, Stanzi wasn’t even active…
AnkenyChiefsFan - January 30, 2012
Exactly.
Stanzi may never pan out. I don’t really care. But Haley gave him no shot, and RAC put him #2 and demoted Palko instantly.
RAC>>>Haley for that alone. Stanzi may not be an NFL QB, but his arm is better than Palko’s noodle every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
and who told you this?
Please name the Chiefs “prospect” given a free pass… I can’t.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
I mean he's not wrong and if you could look at this objectively you'd know that.
You are giving a guy hell who hasn’t even started a full season at QB, acting like he should have already won a couple Super Bowls or something.
Well he’s won a playoff game. I’m not sure what you expect from a dude who has started exactly 16 games including 2 postseason appearances.
bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012
Fine.
I’ll happily admit I’m wrong… but craig apparently will not.
btw, starting 16 games plus 2 postseason is a full season at QB, and more playoff appearances than any QB on the roster in KC. But facts don’t apply to Tebow. Just the mania.
I’m not sure where you got that I think Tebow “should have already won a couple Super Bowls or something” because anyone reading my posts would infer that I believe Tim Tebow will NEVER win a Super Bowl at QB.
Just sayin’
But again, Tim Tebow is the GREATEST and cannot be criticized, yet we can all throw a guy like Flacco under the bus any time we want with impunity, and he makes Tebow look like a high school QB.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
And Tebow shouldn't either
unless it’s at TE.
I’m pretty sure Palko’s game against the Bears was a LOT like most of Tebows wins.
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
Hey, Skip!
Welcome to AP!!
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Ranking The AFC West Quarterbacks-OF ALL TIME!!
1.Elway
2.Montana
3.Dawson
4.Fouts
severn58 - January 30, 2012
Montana beat Elway when it counted most.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
True, but those 49ers teams were monsters.
If I’m making a FrankenQuarterback, 80% of my parts are coming from Elway.
severn58 - January 30, 2012
I was talking about when he was with the Chiefs.
And your brain would come from Montana.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
And face, hopefully
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
True, but those Chiefs teams were monsters.
My brain would probably come from Peyton, good brain, shit neck.
severn58 - January 30, 2012
So every team Montana played for happened to be a monster.
Weird.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
Sure seem to be a lot of "monster" teams that have elite QB's
Couldn’t be any correlation, right?
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
*Elvis Grbac should be in there*
Still has the record for most yards in a single game!
CHIEFFAN82 - January 30, 2012 via mobile
Rivers and Carson
are the only QB’s on this list cassel is a game manager not a QB and tebow is a RB/FB playing QB so agree with Rivers #1 and Carson #2
kcchiefs2782 - January 30, 2012 via Android app
I'd seriously consider Orton > Palmer
Isn’t that weird…almost everyone agrees Orton is better than Cassel but we’ll probably not try and pick him up in FA
Brad-KC - January 30, 2012
That's exactly what I'm thinking
Time will pass and everyone will forget about Cassel’s shortcomings just enough that he will slide right back into the starting spot without much backlash.
old_school - January 30, 2012
Because I'm bored: Coach rankings
John Fox
Romeo Crennel
Dennis Allen
Bill Muir
Norv Turner
Brad-KC - January 30, 2012
LOL
at Muir > Turner. Norv is a decent OC but lousy HC. Muir isn’t even a decent OC.
AnkenyChiefsFan - January 30, 2012
:) was kind of the point
Norv has had a consistent top offense and defense and always finds a way to coach them out of the playoffs.
Brad-KC - January 30, 2012
My list
Fox
Crennel
Allen
Muir
Carthon
Haley
Vrabel
Turner
old_school - January 30, 2012
My list
Crennel
Fox
Allen
Wolverine
Jerry Sandusky
Norv Turner.
Sudden - January 30, 2012
Sooooo
We should at least keep Orton .
chiefsman! - January 30, 2012 via mobile
Y'all are on crack
1) Rivers
2) Palmer
3) Tebow
4) Cassel.
Cassel is 30 years old and we’ve seen his upside. Tebow is less than a full season into his career, and will only get better.
craig in calgary - January 30, 2012
If we're on crack
you’re doing a speedball.
Tebow will only get better because he can’t get any worse. End of story.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Whatever.
Forget that playoff game?
craig in calgary - January 30, 2012
Which one?
The one where Cassel played like balls against a top 3 defense or the one where Tebow played like balls against the 31st ranked defense?
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
Nope, I saw both of Tebow's playoff games.
Which one do you refer to? Oh, yeah, Pittsburgh, where he went 10-21 and his receivers had crazy gonzo YAC because the defense screwed the pooch.
TEN for 21. TEN complete passes, three of which were blown coverages.
He made ONE good throw. ONE. In overtime, and the receiver went 65 YAC. All Tebow, all the time for you rose-colored glasses Tebow worshippers.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Wow
You can’t even give him credit for the 300 yards vs the top ranked Pitts defense? They weren’t all YAC’s, that is rediculous. Whatever, there is no debating here. He’s terrible, always will be.
People are so sick of hearing about him, that they feel they need to knock him whenever they have the chance.
craig in calgary - January 30, 2012
Oh yea
the game where he threw it over the top of blown coverages all game long. I remember that. 31.6 yards per completion???? That should tell you everything you need to know…. fluke bullshit.
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
Comment fail. Twice.
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
This is my point.
Thirty one point six yards per completion. One was 51 yards over the top, one was thirty something over the top, and another I can’t remember the yardage on, but it was also over the top of blown coverages. Those three, to wide open receivers, led to well over 100 of his passing yards. The one throw I give him credit for being an NFL QB on, was 80 yards, 65 YAC. There’s four of his ten completions leading to over 200 of his 300 yards…
so on the other six completions, to “covered” receivers, he has less than 100 yards passing. He’s the GREATEST.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
That very same game, he threw
the ball end over freaking end five yards short of a receiver, twice. Nobody wants to remember those throws. Cassel does that, and the pitchfork and torch crowd burns him in effigy.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
No one is saying Tebow is awesome
and most are not saying Tebow > Cassel, but your hatred of Tebow is blinding you to the fact that he beat an admittedly beat up, but #1, Pittsburg defense.
AnkenyChiefsFan - January 30, 2012
I don't hate Tebow.
I saw him beat Pittsburgh.
But your love of Tebow has you (and all Tebow lovers) convinced that he did it single-handedly with no help from his team or Pittsburgh’s mistakes.
Often, the team that wins gets help from the other team… turnovers, blown coverages, penalties, etc. But in the case of Tebow, it’s always all about how GREAT he is, despite the obvious.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
I don't think you can even give him credit for the OT pass
That ball was going to be thrown there regardless of any other variables. He dropped back and slinged it out there, just like he did all game. Only difference was he didn’t scramble around because he knew, pre-snap, where he was throwing it. All he had to do was throw it accurately, which considering how much of a challenge that is for him ALL the time, I guess you could pat him on the back for it.
He is, without question, the worst QB in the NFL
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
Palko is worse...
but hopefully, he will not be in red and gold next year…
AnkenyChiefsFan - January 30, 2012
especially being a donk
bad enough to have to hear about any player, with the media droning on and on like Favre and whether or not he retires. But to have to hear this crap about any Denver player just makes your skin crawl
tomachop - January 30, 2012
We usually agree on Cassel
But I definitely think he’s better than Tebow. The answer? No, not the answer. But closer to the answer than 4th and God
Flowers24 - January 30, 2012
Yea
You’re obvioulsy dabbling in big-boy, adult drugs and are mixing too many at once, way to often if you really believe Tebow is better than Cassel. I’m not saying Cassel is good, I’m just saying that Tebow is the worst QB in the entire NFL.
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
But Cassel is still developing!
He tries so hard! He got so much grit and want-to! He so scrappy!
/typical AP style Cassel circle jerk
ArrowDread - January 30, 2012
Give him time to develop and an offensive line. He'll be great.old_school - January 30, 2012
I'd take Sanchez any day of the week
Dude’s a pimp. Pac 10 Baller, was hustlin fools at USC while Cassel rode the bench in college.
/typical “H2E fanclub” style Pac 10 circle jerk.
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
Rodgers was a Pac 10 baller.
Just sayin….
Another Successful Tedford QB - January 30, 2012
Touche
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
I’m a definite P12 homer, but I don’t trust any of the U$C guys. Sanchez is a scrub hidden behind an incredibly balanced team. Cassel is beyond pathetic. John David Booty is a joke. Collar-poppin’ Leinart rather work on his beer bong game. Palmer was decent when he had working knees.
Another Successful Tedford QB - January 30, 2012
I feel for Palmer
Dude was in the convo for “top 3” QB’s when he got hurt, and had an unreal WR corps. Then it all fell apart.
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
Leinart really screwed up
by not coming out after his junior year. Would he have made it in the NFL? Probably not any more than he has, but man he cost himself some cash. I guess that’s the luxury of coming from money.
He had, what, a half-dozen NFL ready guys around him that season? And then he goes back to school to go to ballroom dance class with his girlfriend? For real? Jeez, USC must be a LOT of fun.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
That was Pete Carroll.
Persuasive bastard, conning young kids. Remember the way he treated Sanchez when he decided to come out early?
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
My balla killa Sanchez only started 16 games, hombre
And the Jets trade up to draft him 5th!?!? That’s was just MUY LOCO!!! But he did Balls so Hard! ;=)
Suggs gots no idea what he be talkin’ about! Did he “balls so hard” at THE USC??? Don’t think so! Purist Pac-8 HELLA homie to the rad max here, hombre. ASU and Zona don’t count. Screw’em … with all due respect of course. ;=)
LocoLoboChico - January 30, 2012
ASU looks pretty balls-y to me.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
Well, Brs ... I did say: SCREW'EM! ;+)
LocoLoboChico - January 30, 2012
Leinart took a paycut when he came to the NFL
Another Successful Tedford QB - January 30, 2012
Ha!
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
YEP! YEP!
USC is A LOT of FUN! LOTS of FUN! The University of Sexual Ballers! Dey Ball so Hard State. Screw football and college when you land a spot at USC. For realzzz! :+D
LocoLoboChico - January 30, 2012
not a bad FB though
tomachop - January 30, 2012
If I have to be honest
1. Rivers
2. Palmer
3. Tebow
4. Orton
5. Cambell
6. Cassel
Royals Time - January 30, 2012
honesty =/= smarts I suppose
Anyone who thinks Tebow is the 3rd best QB in the AFCW isn’t very intelligent.
Brad-KC - January 30, 2012
Who is better??
Royals Time - January 30, 2012
Every other QB on an NFL roster.
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
Sorry
That was probably a little rude of me…but Tim Tebow is one of the worst QBs out there man.
Brad-KC - January 30, 2012
I'm not saying he's good
But to say Cassel is better than him, I question your football knowledge/Bronco bias…
Royals Time - January 30, 2012
uhhhhhh
Cassel is easily better than Tebow and Cassel is awful.
Brad-KC - January 30, 2012
Like I said
Tebow is the worst QB in the entire NFL.
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
lol
Royals Time - January 30, 2012
Eating lunch in ChinaTown in LA yesterday, look what I found
Another Successful Tedford QB - January 30, 2012
Brad-KC - January 30, 2012
Damn man
shoulda hit me up. I was downtown on Saturday.
Sudden - January 30, 2012
I tried to tell the owner
That the dude is a scrub and was an embarrassment to his wall (which had a lot of real ballers) , but I don’t think he understood english.
Another Successful Tedford QB - January 30, 2012
Within a 15 mile radius of USC, including all of the downtown area,
they will literally put any USC alumni up on the wall as a shrine. This even includes OJ.
Sudden - January 30, 2012
Makes sense. You ever been to Yang Chow? Place was AWESOME
Another Successful Tedford QB - January 30, 2012
bet money Elway drafts a qb this year or acquires one in FA
even Elway knows that Tebowie is a fluke. Tebowie!
tomachop - January 30, 2012
Yup
that’s why he said he’d be the starter “going into training camp”. I’d bet money he doesn’t make it out of training camp the starter.
Chiefs447 - January 30, 2012
This is Jesus Christ to Tim Tebow
please leave me alone!
tomachop - January 30, 2012
If not for Tyler Palko
Cassel would be the worst QB in the NFL
ArrowDread - January 30, 2012
I may have to agree with that one
Palko made a lot of people start to wonder if Cassel’s a good QB.
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
yup
amazing how it happens
upamtn - January 30, 2012
Was trying to think of someone worse...
Tebow maybe
tomachop - January 30, 2012
I guess I've been away too long
But is there really people still defending Cassel as a starting QB?
Royals Time - January 30, 2012
I doubt it
just debating on who is worse
tomachop - January 30, 2012
Can you believe it?!?
And I thought I had some good herb….
ArrowDread - January 30, 2012
want to know what I learned today?
Sharing
tomachop - January 30, 2012
The ignorance is unreal!
Royals Time - January 30, 2012
You don’t. Cali headies > Oregon headies
Another Successful Tedford QB - January 30, 2012
And people still debating Tebow as a starting QB, apparently.
Will wonders never cease?
Tarkus - January 30, 2012
I know. People debating stuff on AP...
Crazy world :)
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
Hell, they're debating Tebow as a starting QB
in the head offices at Mile High, fercrissakes.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
More like debating how they gracefully get past him.
Tarkus - January 30, 2012
Putting an end to this RIGHT NOW
Tebow 2011 #’s
Passing: 46.5% Comp. 12 TDs. 6 INTs. 7 FUM. 72.9 Passer Rating
Rushing: 12 TDs. 6 FUM
Public Relations: 100% WIN
^ The only reason he’s on an NFL starting roster. The Broncos defense should be PISSED he’s on their team.
Brad-KC - January 30, 2012
thank you
but that will hardly end it. Tebow apologists BELIEVE!!
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
a moment of silence please
tomachop - January 30, 2012
Their defensive players
Disagree.
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
bigtime!
lousy QB but helluva great team leader
upamtn - January 30, 2012
In the wildcat sure I'd take him
tomachop - January 30, 2012
I agree with Joel's rankings.
If Orton re-signs with the Chiefs, I would put him ahead of Palmer, though.
Tarkus - January 30, 2012
I'd make it a tie. Both have something to prove.
Brsrkr - January 30, 2012
Agreed...
At this point, I would be excited if they shore up the line in the draft (DeCastro, Zebrie, anyone?) and then sign Orton, Carr, and Bowe. Maybe pick up a TE and some O-line depth and depth at WILB and DB in the draft and FA and maybe get Foles in the draft as a project QB to sit behind Orton. If we sign Orton, do we trade Cassel, or simply do not draft QB, and let Cassel sit at #2?
AnkenyChiefsFan - January 30, 2012
gotta get our oline guys
otherwise all our qbs will look like Palko
tomachop - January 30, 2012
Yes
and no.
Tarkus - January 30, 2012
okay maybe I went too far
tomachop - January 30, 2012
The best XXX?
1.Jewel DeNyle
2.Katja Kassin
3.Sara Jay with a bag over her head
4.Jada Fire
5.Olivia O’lovely
severn58 - January 30, 2012
did a google search
I like #5…others? ick
AnkenyChiefsFan - January 30, 2012
Even with the bag huh? To each their own I suppose
Like Brandon Flowers says, “Thick, but thankfull”.
severn58 - January 30, 2012
Elway: Tebow is the starter, but Broncos are in the quarterback market
Tarkus - January 30, 2012
BUT 31.6 YARDS PER COMPLETION!!!!!!
waah, waah, waah.
From the link:
Elway has described the kind of quarterback he likes as "the big athlete who can throw the ball from the pocket," which doesn’t exactly fit Tebow to a T and serves as a reminder that Tebow is the quarterback Elway inherited, not the quarterback Elway chose.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
I want him to love Tebow
e’s too smart for that
tomachop - January 30, 2012
I'm with you!
If only some of the Tebow apologists could take Elway’s job, and we’d be set. Dude would start for two decades, no matter the outcome.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
Craig for Broncos GM!
Tarkus - January 30, 2012
dammit, I hate that smart SOB
I thought I was done hating Elway,…. apparently that is not case
tomachop - January 30, 2012
Well, it's fourty four degrees here
in the beautiful Oneota River Valley, the driftless region of northeast Iowa, and my mountain bike needs some lovin’
Big studded tires, some singletrack on the palisades, down the river trail, and on to the sports bar for some post-ride hydration…
maybe Raef LaFrentz will stop by, and I’ll buy him one and ask what he thinks of Tim Tebow. Should be good for some laughs. Later, kidz.
neiowakcfan - January 30, 2012
see ya
tomachop - January 30, 2012
You said that about their line 2 years ago. Then it got worse :)
MNchiefsfan - January 30, 2012
You all may have already discussed this aspect, or perhaps aren't aware...
But Tebow’s receivers had way too many drops as well, which is not solely responsible, but another valid reason for his low completion percentage.
I’ve always viewed the Broncos/Chiefs rivalry as one of the most respectful rivalries in the NFL. As opposed to say Broncos/Raiders, or even Chiefs/Raiders, where guys get in fights during the game quite frequently. Not saying that doesn’t happen when We play each other, but it definitely happens less. Now, when it comes to respect between fan-bases, that’s a whole other matter.
Also, to clarify, I’m not here trying to ‘stir the pot’ or anything – just figured (at least some of) you may appreciate a different perspective, since I imagine you guys didn’t diligently watch every Denver game, similar to how I didn’t diligently watch every KC game. There were quite a few games that We wouldn’t have had to make a comeback in the last quarter, if it hadn’t been for the receivers dropping so many catchable balls prior to the last quarter.
Not the best link, but it’s something to help see what I mean
PearlJamBroncoGFunk - January 31, 2012
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