Arrowhead Pride

Compared to what were currently working with

He’d be my favorite off season pickup

SoCalChief17 - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

I would have

His play calling killed A&M. They blew so many late leads this year because he completely abandoned the run game. Not what KC needs.

SCKSChief - January 30, 2012 reply

It was more his general mangement

of the game rather then playcalling specifically. He actually did a really good job of calling plays, but he either went ultraconservative when he shouldn’t have, or kept attacking with a 3 score lead forcing INT’s. That general half time adjustment would have been managed by Romeo, so that wouldn’t have been as much of an issue.

adams2000 - January 30, 2012 reply

Regardless

OU fans would be sad he’s gone, had A&M not bolted to an eternity of 5-6…I mean the SEC. Glad KC didn’t end up with him.

SCKSChief - January 30, 2012 reply

new about no gnus

let’s be clear on this one ;-)

upamtn - January 30, 2012 reply

LOL!

LadyChief - January 30, 2012 reply

Glad we missed out on this

Chiefs organization needs to swallow is shitty ass pride and hire Hue Jackson. At least Hue would bring a real hatred for the Raiders that is needed around here. I dont care if he is an arrogant demanding ass. We need it. He wants there to be accountability on his team, and got fired because his team gave up, or more his defense gave up. Bringing him in as OC would be just what we/he needs. He can learn from what he did wrong and maybe him being around Pioli could possibly calm the man down towards the media a little bit. I would be more than ok with it.

Once again, I am tired of mediocrity. The Chiefs need to stop settling and finally grow some balls and be a player in the game instead of a spectator. like my dad said, “walk into a room knowing that you dick has already been there for two minutes.”

readANDgold58 - January 30, 2012 reply

Like your argument.

But KC would need a QB capable of throwing the deep ball.

Stanzi, anyone?

Not so fast.

I’m pretty sure Hue is, like, a Raiders fan.

Seems like he’d be as likely to sabotage us as anything.

bamachief5558 - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

Art Shell

Missed out on Bowles(as per fanshot)

Won’t get into all the details again but this is a guy the Chiefs should’ve brought in or at least tried. I’ll feel better if theres a report over the next few days that says we at least tried.

For what? He's a cornerbacks coach who was also the ass't HC in Miami....

Sounds like a younger Emmitt Thomas. We have one of those.

Last two offseason he's interviewed for multiple HC and DC positions.

The guy is respected as one of the better young defensive minds in the NFL and he’s the kind of guy you can bring in and groom to be your guy of the future. That’s what the Eagles have gone and done and their better off for it.

They hired an OL coach as DC.

And they weren’t better off for it.

I think this hire is their safety net in case that decision continues to not work.

I hear you about wanting good young coaching talent, but adding coaches for the sake of adding coaches makes no sense. Bowles would surely see it if we were just adding talent—with a competent man coaching his position and a head coach who has already announced he’ll call the defensive plays in 2012, there’s no reason for him to wear red and gold.

If I was Bowles, and I could come and work in a team environment with RAC, Thomas and Gibbs drawing up plays in the dirt for our strong safety….OR coach an entire secondary, my way, for an entire season AND have the chance to succeed an admittedly inexperienced coordinator? At any time? I’d jump to Philly too.

Our need is talented coaching on the OTHER side of the ball, but that’s just me.

Al Saunders

Why is it that everyone keeps saying that Al Saunders would not be willing to come back to KC? He was spurned by the OLD regime, NOT Pioli. Why is it so far fetched to think that the Chiefs might want him to come back to KC?

JayHawkeye - January 30, 2012 reply

Because A Hunt Still Owns The Team

Nothing against Al, but I think he still wants an HC job and he isn’t even in the running here.

Not To Mention

He’s still under contract as an OC to Oakland so at this point he isn’t even an option. Since being OC in Oakland would be a lateral move, we’d have to give up compensation to get him.

Which may be why we are waiting to begin with. OC's have come available and signed...

All over the league, and we are still waiting. Could we possibly be waiting until Dennis Allen makes his decision on whether or not to keep him? His style of offense would be perfect for our team, and might actually be the last piece to the puzzle. Putting our old offense with our new defense. Something Vermeil never had.

JayHawkeye - January 30, 2012 reply

Something Vermeil did have...

Trent Green. While not Manning, the dude was very good, and with pretty much anyone as OC, put him on our team and we are pretty much instantly a SB contender.

adams2000 - January 30, 2012 reply

Hue Jackson

Best offensive mind out there, in my opinion. Pioli doesn’t appear to be interested in rolling the dice with a young up-and-comer so if he’s going to go veteran, Jackson is the best available.

He is my first choice.

But you’d think it would be done (or at least rumored) by now, so probably no chance.

Agreed

One of the things I really dislike about Pioli…he doesn’t appear able to go outside his little circle of Patriot/Parcells connections, even if there are no good options in that circle.

If he can’t see himself hiring someone not vetted by his father-in-law or former boss, might as well get rid of him now.

That's the guy I wish we would get.

Mr.Pibbs - January 30, 2012 reply

You would think so

Especially since he’s been involved in Zona for a much lesser position.

Not being interested in rolling the dice is only going to get Pioli a trip out of town with some moving vans after next season.

Agreed

In three years here, he’s been risk-averse to a fault, and I think you’re right that it will end him. There had better be some major improvements next season no matter who the Chiefs hire. At this point, I don’t think he deserves more than five years on the job.

Agreed

And if Clark sticks with him past that point I think his position needs to be in reconsidered as well.

Too bad there is no control of this. If the fans could vote out the ownership I am sure it would be done already

readANDgold58 - January 30, 2012 reply

I Don't Really Dislike Hunt

I remember during Carl Peterson’s last year when the majority opinion here was that Clark Hunt, because he didn’t say anything, was absolutely going to keep Peterson for another season. People were saying that right up until the day Hunt forced him out. Then we heard how Hunt really, really liked Herm and there was no way he was going to let Pioli fire him. Right up until the day Hunt got rid of him. The thing that convinced me not to believe majority opinion? A comment he made to the press at the start of camp that year where he was shadowing Peterson…where he said that he didn’t believe it was his job to do the GM’s job for him, but it was important for him to be able to understand how the GM did his job so he could evaluate performance.

Hunt may not say a lot or show up in front of the cameras, but so far has shown himself to be about results. I have no idea what the timeline is for Pioli…one more year, two, five. But if he isn’t winning playoff games, I seriously doubt he’s here a decade, much less two. I don’t see Clark Hunt letting it pass just because Pioli is cheap when he didn’t keep Peterson, who always turned a profit.

This

It is exactly what I have been saying. The job that Pioli took has got to be one of the toughest jobs in the NFL. We as Chiefs fans are some of the most knowledgeable fans in the NFL. And as that we should be demanding a title. We need to make our voices heard. And if that means that the current GM is too egotistical to make a move that would truly benefit the franchise then he has to go. I am though taking it farther and putting more of the blame squarely on Clark. He is one of the worst owners in all of sports and is not a fan of his team. He is only a fan of money and how he can make as much as possible. Sad that I thought he would be different than his father. Clark might be even worse in this regard.

readANDgold58 - January 30, 2012 reply

Only good thing about this report is I can't seem to find a Sherman/Chiefs/Pioli/Crennel connection

Which maybe gives a little hope that they’re looking outside the box.

Risk adverse in 3 seasons?

I would call Haley, Zorn, Clancy, Baldwin, Berry, and a lot of the staff pretty big risks and not in the Patriots coaching tree or drafting style.

Fans need to stop letting the hate and the past couple of weeks cloud their judgment on the job the front office is doing.

Its almost like the word “consistency” is completely ignored by fans, although its talked about all the time in press conferences from the coaches and Pioli. It has been 3 YEARS and everyone wants to blow up the entire team already and get all new coaching staffs, like that alone wouldn’t set back this team’s development another 3 years.

Age of the Internet: fans think they know best because they can read news and stats 24 hrs. a day.

RememberDelaney37 - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

this

I agree

There have been some crazy things going on out there and Haley was obvioulsy a bad hire but the Offensive coaching issues were not Pioli’s fault.

I evaluate Pioli in a couple ways.
1. Hires: So far not really that good. Haley was an explosion waiting to happen and it did. That was a bad hire 3 years ago and just got worse as time went on. Crennel, I think that is a good hire. He has a dramatically different attitude than Haley and I think he is a good coach that was put in a bad situation in Cleveland (seriously, who’s won there since Schottenheimer was fired?)

2. Free Agents/Trades: For me this is a push. We’ve had some big needs that he has for the most part ignored or misjudged. We went into this year with BRich, that should never have happened. We’ve needed a NT for 3 years and still haven’t really got one. We’ve also had a ton of money that they have refused to spend despite no depth and some major holes. The first year he brought in Cassel and Vrabel for a 2nd, we all thought that was a good deal. Last year he brought in McClain, Breaston, and Gregg and we thought that filled a lot of holes. This can all change depending on how he handles Carr and Bowe. If both walk then I may call for Pioli’s head. If he resigns both then good job.

3. Drafts: I think he’s done a pretty solid job here. His first year was a bad draft but it was for most everyone. That was just a shitty year. TJax looked solid this year and Succop is really good. The rest of that draft has been a waste. Last year was a great draft class though. We got a potential superstar in Berry, and multiple starters and contributers in Lewis, Asamoah, Moeaki, Arenas and McCluster. 2011 looks solid too, Baldwin made a couple crazy catches this year and with more development could be really good. Houston was a steal in the 3rd round. Hudson looks like a starter. Bailey came on at the end of the season and we all wanted Stanzi to start. Also, I am still holding out for Powe.

This offseason will say a lot about Pioli but for the most part he is doing well.

I don't THINK I know best

I KNOW I do! LOL

SCKSChief - January 30, 2012 reply

Since when is Hue Jackson been considered an offensive genius

Ok, he was OC for USC from 1997 to 2000. 1997 he won 6 games, 1998 was 8 wins, 1999 was 6 wins and 2000 was 5 wins. That’s at USC where they went on to have multiple Heisman winners and championships just after he left.

He was OC for Atlanta for 1 year – 2007, that was the year Petrino left and they sucked and I think they started Joey Harrington or someone equally bad after Vick left. They were 23rd in the league but that was a screwed up year.
He was OC for Raiders in 2010, and they were 10th in the league, think they had #2 rushing which meant their passing was terrible. 2011 when he was the HC they were they were 9th but that was with Al Saunders as OC.

This guy has been an OC twice in the NFL and both times for only a year. He has sucked pretty much everywhere. No thanks to the big mouth, egotistical, former Raider coach who has had little success in the NFL.

Saw alot of complaints last year about Hues playcalling as well.

And we’ve been there done that.

Saw something the other day.

Where it said the vast majority of NFL fans hate their OC and especially the playcalling. I believe that to be true.

I could definitely see the accuracy in that.

I'm betting the only fans that "like" their team's playcalling are the ones with elite QBs

New Orleans, New England, Green Bay, Indy (until this year) and that is probably about it.

RememberDelaney37 - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

agreed

Yep.

That’s why I don’t take too seriously when I hear that fans on another team criticized their guy. That is, unless I see enough of their games myself to see for myself.

When you are a bad running team, fans surely get upset with the play calling when runs don't work

I think that is what sealed Arians fate in Pittsburgh.

When you have to pass on 3rd and long, and you know the team’s QB can’t be trusted to make a sound throw (i.e. Denver and KC this year), it is frustrating to fans with why that play was even called in the first place.

RememberDelaney37 - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

I think I would almost have taken a chance with the QB here

There was a period of time this year that had I seen one more draw play called on 3rd and long I may have gone insane and started beating people with day old bananas. Nothing like 3rd and long with the defense crowding the line of scrimmage because they know it will be a draw or screen.

That is probably very true

I’ve hated most of the ones we have had except Al Saunders

I just don’t see the big deal about Hue Jackson. He’s never done anything as an OC. I would rather take an up and comer than someone who has been there and done nothing.

Well

The first stint as OC, he lost his QB (Michael Vick) before the season and was unfortunate enough to be working for Bobby “Rat Jumping A Sinking Ship” Petrino that year. He got a decent season out of Chris Redman (who was terrible) and a great season out of Roddy White (who’d done almost nothing to that point). Can’t really blame him there. His second stint as OC he was only in the job a year because he got promoted to head coach. That isn’t a negative on him. And last year he got good seasons out of 5th round rookie Denarius Moore and über-bust Darius Heyward-Bey as well as a career year out of Michael Bush, despite losing one of his best o-linemen (Robert Gallery). I think that’s a pretty good case for him being a good OC.

Again, vertical offense, right?

Need a QB capable of the deep ball. Gonna bring Palmer with him? No.

Re-sign Orton? Hope so.

Use Cassel? Prepare to fail.

Stanzi, anyone?

Hue seems like a guy that will buckle under too much pressure.

Every time I see him in a less than comfortable situation he has awful body language, a blank stare, and steam pooling on his skinned head.

Give me someone that becomes more and more communicative and active in tough times.

I also am not a big fan of how he threw his players under the bus towards the end of the year.

I’ve had coaches like that and I hated them.

I hated it too.

But at least he owned it and apologized for it. He was also on a power trip, and his power would be severely reduced in K.C.

it seems very strange that one day we celebrate his poor decision acquiring Palmer

and another day we want him making the decisions to call plays for our Super Bowl bound Chiefs.

I understand he is no longer a Raider, but goddamn, I see absolutely, and positively, no future greatness in Hue.

I don't find it strange at all.

I don’t want him as GM. I don’t even want him as HC. I want him as OC. The skill sets of those three jobs are entirely different.

imo a known poor decision maker will make poor decisions at every level.

Absurd.

You ever hear of the Peter Principle?

Are you saying Hue is only competent to be an OC?

Hmm… that seems to hold true of Herm Edwards. DC was his last competent job level.

Another example… Pioli has reached his incompetence level. As has Clark Hunt.

Pioli has done a good job so far.

So I think it’s premature to state that about him.

Regarding Hue, I’m only saying that at this point I’d only want him as an OC. He failed as a GM and was mediocre as a HC, but had a small sample size in both positions.

Pioli

Supposed to be great at player evaluation (his last job), but hiring competent coaches to fill the positions? 1 out of how many? If you can’t keep them in-house, it doesn’t count. And neither do coaches that are left over from when you came on-board.

Just an observation. Maybe it’s too early to judge yet, but it doesn’t look good so far.

He's hired two coaches.

One failed and one is 2-1 so far.

I think he’s done a very good job with the roster, though depth has been an issue (as he freely admits).

Do we also agree that he was most likely responsible for Weis and Crennel?

I’m including the coordinators in my prior statements. I don’t think Haley had the control of his coaching staff that we assume an HC would usually have.

Mostly? Maybe.

But Haley had a history with both guys, and actually interviewed both guys. Just like Crennel is conducting the interviews for OC now.

I Think Haley Had A Lot Of Control Over His Staff

Pioli fired Chan Gailey for him two weeks before the season when Haley had a hissy fit about having to let someone else run the office. The impression I got from the Weis hire was that Pioli brought in Weis only because he realized after 2009 that Haley was fucking hopeless at running an offense. I suspect 2011 was a second chance for Haley the OC by Pioli and that Pioli realized after the Palko fiasco that Haley was just too much of a jackass to ever be trustworthy, no matter who his coordinators were.

I Meant

I think Haley had a lot of control over his staff initially. Pioli certainly didn’t hire Clancy Pendergast based on the guy’s stellar resume.

Herm Was Never A DC

He was a defensive backs coach…never a coordinator. I doubt he understood how to gameplan well enough to be a coordinator.

ok, howabout a known poor decision [making football coach] will make poor decisions

at every level [in football.]

What is it about him that makes you think he would be a good OC though?

I just haven’t seen it. He hasn’t been a good OC anywhere he’s been. He’s had a #9 and #10 ranked offense but was only OC for 1 year at each stop.

So he was top 3rd of the league both times?

How many teams make the Super Bowl? Would you take a #10 ranked offense to go with the potentially definitely top 10 defense we are building?

Sorry, the 8-9 was with him as a HC

Atlanta he was 23rd but they had a terrible year, (year after Vick left and their coach left midseason.)

When he was 10th that when he was the actual OC and was also with the #2 ranked rushing attack so that passing attack was bad.

He has a huge ego, he did nothing but crazy shit in Oakland, his offenses have not been that productive. He has only been an OC 2 years in the NFL and that was with 2 different teams. He was OC for USC when they were bad.

No thanks.

And the year he had the 8-9 offense was this year with Saunders as OC

Asked and answered.

He’s had a #9 and #10 ranked offense

same ol same

KC WILL DRAG THEIR FEET AS USUAL FINDING A GOOD OC UNTIL THEY HAVE TO SETTLE FOR SOME WASHED UP HAS BEEN.CRENNEL OR ANY OTHER COACH MAKES NO DIFERENCE WHOULD OF RUN THE HEAD COACHING POSITION AS LONG AS PIOLI IS RUNNING THE SHOW KC WIL CONTINUE TO STINK,AND CLARK HAS DONE NOTHING TO MAKE HIS FATHER PROUD,REALLY RUNNING THE TEAM INTO THE GROUND.

KC2009 - January 30, 2012 reply

Whine to yourself please.

That room is already full.

Has there been a no-complaining-about-the-Chiefs rule enacted in the last few days?

did you read his comment?

Sure.

Other than a few spelling and punctuation issues… and an inability to find the Caps Lock key (it’s to the left of the ‘a’ KC2009)… he’s not really saying anything that’s untrue or not already a cause for possible fear among KC fans.

He is not speaking for the majority of Chiefs fans.

WHAT DID YOU SAY???

I COULDN’T HEAR YOU OVER THE SCREAMING IN HERE!!!

WHOULD?

As in, "Whould you like some Cool whhip?

Why do you place so much emphasis on the H?

Chief Fan from DFW - January 30, 2012 reply

Jim Zorn Has Already Been Designated the Back Up Coordinator

Given all of the psycho drama at the Chief’s headquarters, no one wants to interview for the offensive coordinator position especially given the Chief’s weak offensive line & mediocre QBs. Because Zorn will get the job by default, the sooner the Chiefs make the announcement the less embarrassing it will be. I don’t know if Hunt & Pioli will throw Zorn will the bus after tthe 2012 season, but to be able to recurit a replacement OC 12 months from now, Pioli needs to draft an OT, RB & TE with the first 3 picks. Screw the concept of drafting the best available player. Dysfunctional organizations do not act strategically but instead must react to save face. LOL

gee

Another overreaction.

Shocking.

Al Saunders is still under contract I have a feeling he will be retained. Hue Jackson is a good choice Mike Sullivan NYG QB coach is another and Brian Ferentz of Pats is looked upon as an up and comer

FrankPitts - January 30, 2012 reply

I could see Sully being an option. I could also see KC waiting to hire someone who IS under contract now, but might not be all offseason.

….like Daboll, Al Saunders, Terry Robiskie (WR coach with ATL, coord experience, knows RAC, etc etc)….

I could also see us promoting Carthon or Zorn. Hmm.

Pioli’s invisibility cloak works pretty good, doesn’t it?

Maurice Carthon! That is all! Oh, yeah ... Book'em, Dano!

LocoLoboChico - January 30, 2012 reply

I know, we need more yelling on the sideline. And without Mo, who's going to send in pass protection calls for run plays?

Google Carthon coordinator Cleveland….and have yourself a ball. Those folks saw some ugly offensive ball out there when MO got his big break…

I really hope we’re serious about hiring outside the tree, here. Or if we stay in it, we go for a Mike Sullivan type.

Dream Scenario

This is completely far-fetched, wouldn’t happen, but would still be amazing.

The Chiefs acquire the services of Peyton Manning, health issues ignored.
Allow Peyton a year to recover while he serves as offensive coordinator, works with our QBs and receivers, and figures out whether he can ever play again. He either makes Cassel and/or Orton much better through his coaching, or realizes he can play again and knows our offense and personnel well enough to do so.

Win/win.
Pretty much impossible scenario, but amazing to think about.

kcksu727 - January 30, 2012 reply

You should write a novel.

I would've liked Sherman. Lots of coaching experience.

He knows a thing or two about the WCO (which is something many of us seem to be in favor of).

mistamic - January 30, 2012 reply

Is there a Sherman connection to Pioli/Crennel?

We should start playing Six Degrees of Separation with every potential coordinator candidate.

I'm becoming more and more inclined to believe it will be another Patriot retread.

Maybe Chad O’Shea, WR coach? Interesting thought here… 16 years experience, 9 in the NFL. Started his NFL coaching career right here in KC, as a ST assistant from 03-05 (Chiefs had great return yards those years). He then spent 3 years as an offensive assistant to the OC and wide receivers coach for the Minnesota Vikings (2006-08). In 2008 Bernard Berrian was 2nd in receiving yard average. O’Shea then went on to the Pats, where he coached Welker, Moss, Branch, etc.

Dude has been around NFL offenses for about 6 years now. Also coached a lot in college, with various ST and offense positions (assistant, WR, TE, etc). Played QB in college, for Marshall, then Houston.

My money is that this guy is a candidate the Chiefs are focused on…

Interesting thoughts

O’Shea might not be a bad option.

The team is also likely waiting to see what coaches get released from their current positions with all of the head coaching turnover.

I hear ramblings of the Giants’ QB coach, whose name eludes me right now. I wouldn’t mind him either

RememberDelaney37 - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

mike sullivan

I vote for me

I need the money and… I don’t like Cassel for qb

tomachop - January 30, 2012 reply

It tells us something...

Sherman is a “west-coast” offensive guy, right? So KC is open to blowing up the offensive “system” that has been ~~used~~ abused the last few years, right?

I wouldn't say "blowing up" as much as I would say "tweaking"

If Sherman came in, I doubt he would implement a whole new offense. He would likely take the existing offense, find ways to add his touches to it, utilizing the “strengths” of his QBs, and call plays within the established system that would emphasize the “west coast” mentality.

RememberDelaney37 - January 30, 2012 via mobile reply

So he would be bringing on of those QBs you speak of?

the "strengths" of his QBs

:)

I'm not sure that passing on one guy that coaches our system would definitively mean we're going to scrap the offensive scheme.

That’s a pretty far jump to a very big conclusion.

Bleh, misread your comment.

Carry on.

The issue is one of consistency

Romeo really doesn’t have the option of bringing in someone who is versed in our current system. The closest he had was McDaniels and he has been pulled from the market by the Pats. Learning yet another system for our QB’s would be another year wasted trying to get everyone on the same page. I just don’t see bringing in Jackson would accomplish what we need to get done in the offseason.
The best option at this point is Brian DaBoll. I think he would be the nearest fit offense style-wise. As tempting as blowing up all the vestigeal remains of Haley’s presence might be I don’t think it is in the best interest of our beloved Chiefs

William3rd - January 30, 2012 reply

Gregg Knapp

If we are looking at people who have a working knowledge of a ZBS, a succesful one that wont require us to blow up our o-line and wait 2-3 yrs to restock Knapp should be our guy. Sherman taught ZBS to Kubiak at aTm back in the 90’s and Kube’s has rolled with it ever since. He and Zorn have experience coachign qb’s and west coast offenses (which works far better with ZBS than Earhahrdt/Parcells).

Glad to see we are thinking ioutside the box on this one.

TEXAN_CHIEF - January 30, 2012 reply

Also, Frank Pollock for new O-line Coach. Pay him a lot for it!

LocoLoboChico - January 30, 2012 reply

Tom Clements

JHWK - January 30, 2012 reply

is probably not available.

Clements

Has already been named Packers oc if I remember correctly. Lombardi of the Saints and Mike Sullivan of the Giants may be candidates too.

TEXAN_CHIEF - January 30, 2012 reply

I heard he was likely to be their next OC.

But I’m not sure that was ever made official.