Arrowhead Pride

I don't get why people complain about Gretz charging for content

If you value the information you pay the outrageous sum of $25 per season, if not then you can just go to the other 100 sites with free content. It’s like complaining that a band you like doesn’t just give free downloads of their music. Gretz has bills to pay just like everyone else.

How did that work out for him?

You'd have to ask him

Considering that he’s done it two years in a row I can only assume it’s working out better than the free content model from before.

I'll see if I can find the stat I saw last year

It was startling how few subscribers he had…

But

100 paying subscribers is still more money than 1,000 free subscribers…

Tmac1166 - January 4, 2012 reply

Depends on the ad revenue you can get for having 10 times as many subscribers.

Fozzyboyd - January 4, 2012 reply

Yes, some times the pay works, some times not. Usually if your popular, you are going to draw the adds.

I think

It’s because there are so many free sites and info out there. That’s why people get upset. If it’s news you will hear about it without paying.

I personally don’t care much for Gretz’s site because of the layout, that’s just me. I do think though if it’s so good and he gets a decent amount of page views why is he not making his extra cash off of advertising revenue?

Which is exactly

Why I tell people not to complain about AP adds. It’s rare, but every once in awhile I see someone complain…I’m surprised Thorman’s don’t have more adds, personally…I know I would.

Exactly

and yes they should if they could. If given the opportunity, who wouldn’t sell out?

Tamba wouldn't sell out.

ha

He gets to do what he wants and get paid

nicely for it.

Actually I just added a do not track widget

It tells me how much my computer is being watched and ad blocks and sbnation so far has the highest of any of the other website I visit. It has 16 and normally its around 3-6.

PSUkegreen - January 4, 2012 reply

Wow

It doesn’t seem like that. Good to know.

You're obviously not surfing enough porn

:D

Actually was surprised about that. Did have to go to some of those sites to check it.

PSUkegreen - January 4, 2012 reply

of course... but only to go back and check the tracker hits

like reading Playboy for the articles.

I assume he can't make money off ad revenue because his site is one you'd visit only once per day

As opposed to AP, where there is new content hourly.

this is pretty much it

AP and Gretz are two vastly different things … AP (what Joel tosses up) is based on news that’s already out there (Joel doesn’t do a whole lot of investigative reporting) and this site generates revenue thru multiple page hits (not just the main page stroies, but the fanposts as well)

so Gretz pretty much has to charge because he’s not tied in to multiple ads, etd … he’s a freelance operation and yes, has to generate income somehow

He's way over rated anyway

Just keep RAC & go with it.

interesting..had 6 winning seasons in 17 yrs and now top hire???

Via Jimmy Johnson's twitter

Or...

You can look at it that he had 5 losing seasons in 16.

People try to twist his .500 seasons to suit their argument.

I like RAC, but Fisher’s resume destroys his. That doesn’t mean he’s a better hire…RAC has some inherit advantages, like ease of transition. But Fisher is hardly overrated.

Twist it as postitive as you want.

.500 seasons don’t make you elite either.

.500 seasons mean you're in a position to make the playoffs

As fans, all we can ask for is to be in the runing for the post season each year.

that's in MLB. It looks like you need 10+ win to clinch the division

How many took it in the AFC West this year?

If you’re getting to around 8 wins each year you’re in a position to make the playoffs.

unless chargers have a late season surge and then your 8-8 record doesn't look so good

Jesus Christ, you guys can't be this slow

An 8 win season puts you in the running for the playoffs. Also, if you’re teams are consistantly winning 8 games, you’re that much closer to a 9 or 10 wins.

The Only 8 Win Team

Playing this Sunday is Denver correct? Or am I missing something?

hiv is assuming that the broncos are the SB champs

just cause you get there doesn’t mean shit

Thanks for putting words in my mouth

I’m going to let you in on a little known secret. Before you can win the Super Bowl you need to make the playoffs.

11 years Fisher's teams didn't make the playoffs.

craig in calgary - January 4, 2012 reply

So?

Does this make him a bad coach? I’ve stayed out of this dance because it happens in every Fischer thread. How can you judge a coach by simply looking at his W-L record, especially during an era where the Colts won double didgits EVERY YEAR?His teams consistantly were in the mix, I don’t remember any embarassing seasons where they weren’t even competitive.

I just think judging a coach by looking at his W-L record in a vacuum with no context is rediculous.

Plus, he isn’t coaching the Titans, he’ll be coaching the Chiefs, a team who is a QB away from being a perenial contender. The 1 good QB I can remember him having was Steve McNair and he took him a yard away from beating the Rams. So he didn’t win a bunch of Superbowls with Kerry Collins and VY, now he’s a bad coach?

Past records do no guaratee future results.

Who said he was a bad coach?

I’m only saying he’s undeserving of the hype. He doesn’t have an elite resume, but people are treating him like he’s an elite coach. I don’t think he’d be a terrible hire. I just don’t think he’d be that great of a hire, and probably worse than RAC, given the whole fit thing.

Hype is hype

Fisher is just the biggest “name” coach who is actually going to coach again this year.

Nothing more.

I think Craig's point is that playing in Manning's division during the peak of the Colts would cause his W-L record to be worse than in another division or time,and not the end of the evaluation.

KCbo - January 4, 2012 reply

ahem - yard away from TYING the Rams

Titans were down 7, the TD and PAT would have only tied and sent it to OT.

Hate to belabor a point, but people often think that Fisher almost won that SB. Of course we don’t know if he would have gone for 2 there (would have seemed foolish) but in any case – it wasn’t for the win.

Yep. And people also forget

That almost doesn’t count, unless you are playing horseshoes or hand grenades. Until the SB becomes a 7 game series (oh G-D no), it’s one and done.

Atomic Bombs, you can get close and still succeed

I see what you did there

:)

and dancing

I like me some up close dancing :)

ChiefWildcat - January 4, 2012 reply

unless you know the chargers have their year end surge and go 10-12 wins

then your 8 win won’t even get you anywhere.

we should strive for a consistent 14 win season
or we’ll be the 2010 chiefs. Oh we’re in the playoffs? yay. and then we get beaten by the ravens

HIV you are also assuming that 8-8 means you've done well in your division

It doesn’t always end up that way. Look at Seattle last year as an example. YOu can can a winning record but don’e worse in your division that teams that had worse records and therefore not get into the playoffs.

Is this English? Are you just typing with closed fists?

Heh, you're cute when you're angry.

Do you mean

that an 8-8 average record will include some 10-6 seasons

skunk420 - January 4, 2012 reply

sigh

You are right, I typed too fast and my lil hands couldn’t keep up with my thoughts. Yup you got it, all balled up into little fists… so how come it seems like you are the one who’s about to blow a stack?

I am NOT cleaning that up!

ha ha

I thought you’d laugh at that one.

8 wins put you there if

Everyone in your division is mediocre.

I expect to be in the playoffs 50% of the Time, and that is asking to little IMHO

That is exactly my point. Thank you

i prefer to be in the playoffs every year.

that is what consistency is. Win Division titles and all that to not just wildcard in every year

.500 teams rarely make the playoffs.

.500 teams are in a position where 1 more game can get them in the playoffs

You’re in the running.

if you are 8-8 you have played all your games

.500 could also mean 4-4, 5-5, 6-6

Or in a position to make the playoffs

or you could be position to go

6-10
5-11
4-12

When Fisher's fans are talking about his .500 seasons

they’re talking about entire seasons, not 5-5 partway through.

And of Fisher's .542 average he made the playoffs 6 times in 17 years.

Woohoo!

agh reply fail

so it depends on how those .500 season play out – who you beat. If you are doing poorly in your division and ok out of it, then it’s a moot point.

its not that i dont like Fisher but i hate the

He is the best and if we don’t get him we suck and didn’t try to put a winner in the field attitude.

Who has that attitude?

This fan likes rac, because the team appears to be behind him, and his press conferences are worth 2 cents

Okie Red - January 4, 2012 via mobile reply

You must have loved 2011

with the Chiefs finishing one game away from making the playoffs.

Beats the Hell out of 2009 when we were out of it from the start

I’ll take missing the playoffs by a game over being out of the running by week 8

If that's all it takes to satisfy you as a fan, that's cool.

Should have never fired Haley, I guess.

Haley didn't win 2 of the last 3.

Pretty sure Palko would’ve gone 0-3 to end the year.

Don't know if he would have or not.

Haley won four-straight earlier in the year.

Palko didnt

Haley apologists

tell me he was ready to go to Orton, same as Crennel did.

Now I know you're just arguing to argue

Because there is no way you believe that.

Don't "know"

But we are all pretty sure Palko sucked

Okie Red - January 4, 2012 via mobile reply

What I think 8-8 should mean

is that your team had a terrible year. A good team that has some bad luck, misfortune or what ever you want to call it should fall no less then 8-8. The team should be consistantly hiting at least a 10-6 mark and actually competeing in the playoffs not just hoping they might have won enough to get in if this team wins and that team loses and the moon rises at 5:46pm and the tide is high at ….. you get the point.

BDCinSA - January 4, 2012 reply

True...

But the last two years, and 3 of last 5.

Still not the point, the point is that you were competing for a playoff spot, typically all season, and likely the last game.

It’s being consistently competitive. Something the Chiefs have not been.

Chiefs won the division last year.

And finished one game back this year.

Ans didn't look like a legit playoff team either year.

Given that the Bengals, Broncos and current version of the Texans are in the AFC playoffs this year

The current Chiefs, with RAC at HC and Palko inactive, are plenty worthy of being in that discussion.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think they are Championship worthy, but not that different from these teams.

Apparently that doesn't matter.

It only matters that you finish .500 and are somewhat in the playoff race each year.

What are you comparing him too?

RAC, right? I like the guy, but his resume is not Fisher’s.

I agree.

Neither of them have shown themselves to be great head coaches. Difference is, RAC’s run was a lot shorter (and therefore, more likely to improve), and that he’s just a way better fit in KC.

yup

RAC had three years in Cleveland with well, who was on that team of any note? He’s got way more to work with here.

4 years

24-40

RAC has a shitload more SB rings.

So there is that…

So does the equipment manager

Wasn't trying to be rude, 56.

I think you got the full gist of where I was coming from when you replied to me below.

yessir

Not to me

I’ll take 12-4 or 13-3, personally. First round bye…and home field advantage. Thank you.

Not totally true

In 17 season Fisher only went to the post season 6 times. Gruden went once every 2 years (5 times in 10 season), Cowher went 10x in 15 years. Having a mediocre .500 season doesn’t mean you will get into the playoffs it just means you don’t suck.

Corrected.

Having a mediocre .500 season doesn’t mean you will get into the playoffs it just means you don’t suck more than half the time.

Also, it might mean just a little bit more if your in a conference with Manning.

I find it a little odd

That our org or fanbase would stick our noses up at 142-120 with 5 playoff wins and a yard from winning a Super Bowl.

And in another AFC Champtionship game

It's not about sticking our noses up

Fisher is a defensive guy, same as Crennel. Crennel has been with this team for 2 seasons and has done very well with our defense. Fisher has been out of work the past season and there is a chance he would want to coach a team that runs a 4-3 scheme because that’s what he prefers. It’s less about what Fisher has done and how awesome some think he is and more about trying to continue what’s been started as opposed to starting over.

yes

Which is what I was referring to above. Inherit advantages to RAC, yes. But Fisher’s resume is far better.

Give me some detail on the "far" better.

I think RAC’s got a shitload of championship games and Super Bowls to go on…but they were only as an ass’t or as a defensive coordinator.

Fisher does have a good resume, and he spent most of Crennel’s DC years as a head coach. That’s one key advantage.

I’m just wondering what qualifies as “far” better, resume-wise…

Oh...to me 142-120

vs. 24-40, would be the ‘far’ part.

There are equipment managers that have more rings than Fisher too, but we have to differentiate between the HC and the assistants.

Would you be ok with Weis being the HC?

The most attractive thing about Fisher, to me is that he is out of the NE/Pioli Family and it would show that Pioli is ‘learning’ and willing to step outside of his comfort zone.

That is not to say I hate the idea of RAC as HC, far from it. I do think that it is typical of AP to sh8t on someone once they are no longer a real possibility. If this post was about how Jeff Fisher was now the frontrunner for the job, the tone would be completely different in the comments.

All points valid, and well-put.

I was waiting for someone to start shitting on RAC, who I think “could” be a markedly better coach this time around…IF he learned to provide more structure and discipline. (Mighty big “IF” in my mind).

I’d be glad to have Jeff Fisher to coach here because he creates a culture of high expectations and intense play—two things we NEED in KC. However, his not being out of the Parcells/Belichick “tree” is cause enough for me to suspect that Pioli would never consider him. I wish Pioli could think more outside the box with these kinds of things…

Me, I’m not going to shit on a completely capable coach, and if he was a serious candidate for the job I’d be quite happy. But if I know he’s not going to make it becuase he doesn’t “fit our system,” I don’t spend a lot of time talking it over, either. That’s just me.

Agreed and agreed.

Also, for some coaches that make it to the next level (I’m not making a blanket ALL coaches remark here), they do it with their second team. Ok, but none (as far as I know) had 16.5 years on team number 1.

Disagree

RAC may not have years of head coaching and his winning percentage as a head coach may be less than someone who spent significantly more time doing it, that doesn’t make Fisher leaps and bounds better than Romeo. Also why would we want Fisher? Do we want a defensive minded HC who prefers a 4-3, so we can change our defensive scheme? Do you think Romeo would not take a HC position elsewhere if Fisher was offered the job here?

Exactly. Screw records.

I want the guy who will bring us the most success the fastest, and past records with different teams only matter a teensy tiny little bit.

I really Don't Want to Blow this Team Up

Again. I don’t want a flash in the pan, I’d like the consistency, which is why I tend to lean more toward RAC. I don’t see him as any bigger a risk than any other coach you bring in, but if you keep a guy that’s been here and let him continue what’s been started, that seems like an advantage.

Don't you think the whole "blowing the team up" bit will be part of the interview process?

Maybe why Fisher kept moving.

He hasn't signed with anyone else either.

Shrug.

No

I assume they just look at the resume and then there is a long awkward silence. Than Pioli and Clark look at each other, then tell Jeff thanks for stopping by.

Rec'd.

I think Romeo has 5 rings as well

How many does Fisher have?

Well if thats the measuring stick, how many does McDaniels have?

counting nose rings?

Do Prince Albert's count?

Or are those just bars?

or Belichek's secretary.

Probably should get her hired, pronto.

Actually, I doubt that he would leave and he and Fisher would probably get along

great, but obviously, it’s immaterial. They probably told Fisher that Cassel was #1 and that’s when Fisher walked out.

If Jimmy would quit hawking boner pills, he might get a few calls

no one wants a head coach walking around with a 4 hour boner…

He's made it pretty clear

He has no intention of returning to coaching.

You're in Canada, right?

can’t you get them from gumball machines at the grocery store?

And I've no doubt he'd have no problem finding a job.

Good to hear we interviewed him. I'm not really disappointed that he won't be coming here.

I’m more anxious about our OC choice than our HC choice, actually.

Agreed

I too am more anxious for the OC position to be filled or replaced. Id rather get McDaniels than McCoy tho.

yup I'll second that.

It’s our O that has had so many issues – moving the ball – and uhm, scoring! Our D is great, our O has potential. But that potential won’t be realized unless we get a QB that really does things. And an OC that knows how to make it happen.

And QB choice

old_school - January 4, 2012 reply

Yes

can someone post the article here

Can’t get to the Gretz site

I think AP crashed his site

Did we interview him for the OC position?

Justtttttttttt kidding.

I wouldn’t mind Fischer as HC. Players love Romeo and it might be a rough first year if you take away the favorite in the locker room.

SwimCoach - January 4, 2012 reply

Ugh.

Whatever we did to chase him off, lame.

Clay Wendler - January 4, 2012 reply

he saw pioli and went "oh hell no"

Pioli ain't THAT ugly.

pioli looks like a space alien

He saw our merry go round of QB's and the high level of Mediocrity and yeah, no.

Not really a merry go round

Cassel is the guy. That’s why he ran and didn’t look back.

old_school - January 4, 2012 reply

And it somehow looks better in Miami or St Louis?

Please. The Chiefs look like perennial champions compared to those franchises.

cheapham - January 4, 2012 reply

Maybe the FO figured why pay 6-8 maybe 10 mil /yr for a .500 coach

when you can get that for less.

Why

Would we hire another coach that has to be told what QB to play when we just fired a coach for refusing to bench Palko?

The problem is...

Whomever is signed as the new head caoch will have to use Cassel because he is Pioli’s guy. That’s enough to scare away most credible candidates.

Not to mention

that he can choose his staff as long as McDaniels is the OC and the others have to be in the Parcels or NE family.

BinSC - January 4, 2012 reply

Kind of like swimming with handcuffs on...

A Navy SEAL can swim 350ft. underwater with their hands and feet bound.

A good coach should be able to do that, too.

anybody watching ESPN? Emeril looks like a good coach

Watching Skip Baseless

salivate over Tim Tebow on First take right now

I do give credit to Bayless for recognizing and defending KC's talent base

I normally skip skip

I rather not have a headache

Him liking someone who is more popular off of hype that actual talent

hmm, weird.

Bam!

Didn't Gretz also say that Arrowhead was changing its name on Oct. 31?

Actually asking; I don’t remember.

jbj8609 - January 4, 2012 reply

yes 2012. It's not "the arrow"

now*

Damn, unfortunate if the reports are true he won't be coming here

He would be a great addition. I’m betting that he wants full control of personnel decisions, as most veteran, successful coaches end up with going to new coaching jobs. Probably none more so than Fisher after the Vince Young/Bud Adams fiasco, I can definitely see him wanting more control than Pioli is probably willing to relinquish

RememberDelaney37 - January 4, 2012 via mobile reply

Vince Young/Bud Adams = Matt Cassel/Scott Pioli.

correction

vince young was a good QB..until he went crazy

cassel is mediocre

I was highlighting stubbornness more than talent.

would that be palko/haley?

Palko/Haley was tit for tat.

Haley was just showing Pioli how pissed he was that he had to play Cassel and didn’t have any decent backups.

WHich is why Haley got fired for acting like a 3rd grader and Fisher

is more sought after cause he handled the situation better in TEN.

I'm not defending Haley.

He had to go. But I don’t think Fisher is an upgrade over Crennel. And what we really need is a great OC.

I dont know about upgrade

a step up maybe but not enough of a difference for me to care if it is him or RAC

Fisher was too stubborn to play Vince Young even tho all he did was win, so Bud Adams needed to tell him to play Vince Young

Correction: VY was not a good QB.

nateforchiefs - January 4, 2012 reply

Per wikipedia:

Vince Young would finish his Titans career with a 30-17 record (63.8%) over five years.60 During that span, the Titans compiled a record of 15-18 (45.5%) without Young.

JayhawksNChiefs - January 4, 2012 reply

if this is the case

That we did interview fisher last week and nothing happend it has to be 2 things with this and 1. I think he wanted to know who the qb was going to and its going to cassel thats a big no no.2. maybe not enough money or whatever else. imo, i dont think its going to be anybody any of us want because of cassel

kcchiefsfan515 - January 4, 2012 via mobile reply

It' probably more on the chiefs than fisher

we’re trying to weigh our options…but who’s better than fisher?

Not necessarily "who's better", but "who's a better fit".

I think that’s the most important aspect. We have a team that has shown it can win. Now we need a coach that can take (mostly) the same talent to the next level.

Do we have the right personnel for a Jeff Fisher team?

our offense is based off the running

wouldn’t cowher be the better option?

Maybe, but he was always more of a power-running scheme.

He loved to smash teams in the mouth with Bettis and just wear teams down. Our offensive personnel seem more designed to get to the edges.

battle+jones to pound the middle, charles to finish them off

or we could get tolbert and hit everybody in the face

Gotta look at the O-line there too though.

One thing we don’t do well is smash defenses in the mouth. 3rd/4th and short situations have killed us for the last couple of years because we can’t overpower the opposition.

He looks like a man who could run a finesse type game.

Why does the picture of him smiling scare me more than anything else?

he has the troll face

Because he's not smiling.

He’s picking his teeth with his mustache.

at least he shows emotions..unlike a certain someone from new england

yea because emotion = success

Emotion = spittle.

emotion=you give a shit

Tony Dungy never cared?

nateforchiefs - January 4, 2012 reply

he had manning. If we had manning, would RAC even care?

Dungy built an all-world defense in Tampa

He must not have cared, though.

old_school - January 4, 2012 reply

nah cause grudan took all the credit

Haley Had emotion

for all the good that did us

again emotion=you give a shit. Never said anything about winning

point taken

chin would be good

niageriannit1 - January 4, 2012 reply

Cowher+Lattimore

oooooooooo pretty......

I would love it...

until 3 years later when Lattimore can’t even walk anymore. I’m a huge fan, but he’s been a workhorse already, and now has an injury history to be concerned about. A coach like Cowher would end his career within a couple years.

Yep

His shelf life is going to be pretty short.

Dammit. Dream over.

That’s ok, I have others.

Cowher is no longer a coach

groundedchevy - January 4, 2012 via mobile reply

Eh, let Miami or St Louis have him.

Same with Jon Gruden, Brian Billick, Bill Cowher, or any of these other guys who aren’t coaching right now.

They are going to want complete control, and that would cause problems. Regardless of any personal feelings for Pioli, we all recognize that he’s in charge of putting the team together. So it’s better that he has a coach that is on board with his philosophy.

The worst case scenario is that we get a big name coach, and in 3 years we’re still terrible and have to fire one of them…and choose wrong.

yes but on the other hand

Pioli needs to consider people other than his old Patriots cronies. There’s a lot of talent in the world so interview as many as is reasonable and hire the best guy – not just somebody you knew from the good old days.

While I don’t want Gruden or Billick (I might be able to live with Cowher) I also understand that a lot of those guys want full control because as a HC they’ve been in the position before of having to make a turd sandwhich before because their GM only brought in turds.

aFan4Life - January 4, 2012 reply

But you want somebody who is on the same page.

Otherwise you end up with situations like they’ve had in San Diego, Jacksonville, and Miami where both the GM and HC are on hot seats, but you have no idea which one (or is it both?) is really holding the team back.

If the HC and GM are on the same page, and the team doesn’t do well, then it’s easier. You just call for a clean slate.

Probably just to satisfy the Rooney Rule

Oh wait, racial discrimination rules never apply to white guys….

reverse discrimination is protected under title 7......

C’mon man

if you are the minority

He fits...if the rooney rule...

the includes exquisite staches…

all kinds of fail...

~~the~~ includes exquisite staches…

very good point.

He’s definitely in the minority for fantastic facial hair.

He has a terrbible 'stache.

There is nothing Tom Selleck-esque about Fisher’s ’stache.

Fischer has more of a 'butt broom' stache...

a different beast all together…

At least they aren't this

Then again that’d put the fear into opposing teams!

Cheese Head.

I wonder...is pioli interviewing all these coaches to lower the contract offered to RAC?

Well we could have fisher, cowher, etc

but we’ll take you if you will take a pay cut

He's just being thorough, just like draft scouting.

Yeah, they look at hundreds of college players.

And every time you hear a report, people get all excited, one way or another. As you said, it’s all just part of being thorough. There is nothing to lose by taking a look.

Price of a plane ticket and a night at Hereford House.

Actually, now that I think about it, that does sound a little expensive.

Maybe when you're not playing with Hunt family money.

(And, when you are playing with Hunt family money, Clark wants you to order the cheapest steak, water instead of a soft drink, and make sure the coaching candidate flies coach.)

cynical

Buck'O - January 4, 2012 reply

Just because nothing materialized doesn't mean he won't be coming does it?

Doesn’t that just sound like he’s checking out his options?

Yep.

Damn you.

Hope is a disease. Tarkus,

is the cure.

If Pioli is being thorough and checking out multiple candidates,

Then you have to assume that those candidates are being thorough too and going on multiple interviews. I for one would be a little nervous if a candidate came in here and first interview, first job, took it spot on, ya know?

Winowing the field helps

a lot to consider ...

is the offensive minded or defensive?
how much control does he want vis-a-vis players and/or coaches?
does he buy into the ZBS or want Power Blocking (whole new Oline?)
does his scheme work with our players?
can he adapt his scheme if it doesn’t?
what does Pioli want in a HC and is Pioli happy with the D right now?
if so, does he value Crennel and the 3-4 over a possible 4-3?
E-P or West Coast Offense?
Matt Cassel or Draft or Orton or Flynn?

questions, questions …

yep

And to add to your list of questions, does the hire mean we’ll have to start all over again, rebuilding the team in a new image? Only to have it go haywire in a few years?

As we’ve talked back and forth about, this could well be Pioli’s job too on the line. Make it or break it hire.

the "start all over" is built in to the personnel vs scheme issues ... but yeah, that's a question Pioli and the candidate would discuss

I didn't see "win-loss record with a totally different team" in your list.

What kind of list doesn’t have “win-loss record with a totally different team” in it?

Tarkus cures hope, but does little to nothing for the strange burning sensation. Just FYI.

Any team who has an opening is a potential option

worst case he can use a team like KC as leverage to get more money

I think is great

that the Chiefs are interviewing a lot of candidates. I remember when the Steelers’ fans and media thought either Russ Grimm or Ken Whisenhunt (in house coaches) were in line to take the job. Out of the blue came Mike Tomlin and the rest is super bowl history. RAC is the obvious choice but you have to interview all possible candidates. You never know, you might hit the jackpot!

Nelly - January 4, 2012 reply

Good!

Who wants an average HC who has a reputation for coaching dirty teams?!

Scaryclouds - January 4, 2012 via mobile reply

I thought Finnegan was the only dirt on that team.

as much as i dislike him on their team

I would love to have him on ours.

We disagree.

This

Nathan4288 - January 4, 2012 reply

Dont forget about Albert H.

Oh right.

Actually, seeing what he’s done since, I’d tend to give Fisher high marks for keeping him under relative control.

Not sure that is fair....

He didn’t have a 100 mil contract in Nashville

groundedchevy - January 4, 2012 reply

Damn, First Take is raw today...

Done got racial.

ArrowSpread - January 4, 2012 reply

Let me know when it gets religious.

Sorry you missed the Tebow debate, oh waitt

Maybe god will coach the team?

ottawachiefsfan - January 4, 2012 reply

not likely ... probably wants too much control, Pioli would never go for that

nice

He'd be alright.

Right up until Pioli told Him who His quarterback had to be and fired Him for not listening (well, and because he refused to shave).

We'd have to wait for Tebow's season to complete before asking permission to speak with him

I'm completely against the hiring of Philbin

Their offense is only successful because of Rodgers. He looks like a great coach because he has a great QB. They lack a running game. This applies to most successful OC with a good QB. I’d rather promote a guy who has very little to nothing to work with and has mediocre to decent success, because we have the talent on our offense to do good things with even the slightest intelligence running the show. He may be a good coach, but anyone can run a successful offense with Rodgers at the helm.

Nathan4288 - January 4, 2012 reply

Didn't Matt Flynn just have a better game than Rodgers has ever had in the same system?

m.yashi - January 4, 2012 reply

And you think Flynn's arm wasn't more of a factor. He was just making good throws. We don't have a QB that can do that.

Nathan4288 - January 4, 2012 reply

Cassel made good throws in NE.

Only take Flynn if you bring the system with him, wherever he goes.

He makes more sense for Cleveland then KC

is RAC going to bring brady quinn?

AP trolls....

anybody have a torch?

come on baby light my fire ...

gosh i hope its not jeff fisher, and aP doesnt have trolls.

SDChief - January 4, 2012 reply

just because

Hahaha

terrible!

Buck'O - January 4, 2012 reply

High five!

That little girl learned a valuable lesson that day

when someone is bigger and meaner come back with friends and take your stuff back

cunt...

SFLChief - January 5, 2012 reply

and this is why RG3 is better than luck

and this is for all the chiefs/royals fan. Peace out ya

I respect all of the support for Crennel but I have never heard any decent arguments

as to why he should be the HC. I like him too and I think he’s a great guy and great DC but I can’t see him as anything but a mediocre step to the Chief’s future. Someone please tell me why he is the HC that will take the Chief’s to the SB.

Hmmm...

I don’t know that I can tell you why he WILL take the Chiefs to the SB… but here’s what I have to say about Romeo:

He may not have the best HC record… but neither does Fisher. He may not have had the best talent in Cleveland… just like Fisher in Tennessee. He may not be the big flashy prize like Fisher.

But we are not getting Fisher because we’d have to mortgage the future to get the QB he’d want and that still might not be enough. We’ve got too many holes that need to be filled. Sure we can trade draft picks and then spend a bunch of money in FA. That might work, but that’s how Peterson operated. That’s not Pioli.

With Crennel, he’s already got the support of the locker room. We know who he is. He is a safe choice. He’s smart enough to know what he doesn’t know. They’ll bring in someone like Philbin to run the offense and leave the defense to Romeo, which is his specialty. Kansas City has always had this feel of being a team that was all about heart and family. The great coaches we’ve had over the last few decades have all had the support of the players on the team. I’m not convinced Haley did. Not in the end. He was trying too hard to be one of the guys and be their buddy, not their boss. That won’t work. Crennel is professional enough to keep it clear that they can have a good relationship, but he’s still in charge. They will respect him. And they’ll work their butts off for him. But most of all, hiring Crennel as your HC keeps a certain amount of continuity in the coaching structure going forward. We don’t get set back too badly by a brand new coaching staff wanting to reinvent the wheel. The defense looks good, no reason to change it, so no reason to change up Crennel. Bring someone in who can take advantage of the talent we have and find the right pieces to complete the offense.

And honestly, I think Crennel might just be about to take us deep in the playoffs because of all of this.

Falcon58 - January 4, 2012 reply

Falcon,

Thank you for your thoughts. I appreciate your viewpoint but IMO, many of your reasons are the exact reasons why our Chief’s keep being mediocre or even below average. I know the players like Crennel, how could they not. He is a very nice guy from anything I’ve ever seen or heard. I don’t see Fisher as trying to be big "Flashy" like you said. Fisher, I believe, is a smart coach and after having a year to think about it, I’m sure that he has some very specific ideas on how to build a SB team. My question was not about Fisher, but since you brought it up, I really do think that he will do very well for someone. I also think most players liked him too.

Just your thought that Fisher wants a quality QB to me is a great plus that many of us have been saying for years. If this team is ever going to be a SB team, many of us agree that a top level QB is a necessity. In fact,
I believe that QB is by far the Chief’s biggest shortcoming. Once you get the right QB, it is much easier to bring in the other pieces. Guys do want to play for a winner. The other big area that you and many mention is respect and continuity . I agree, very important but these attributes go right out the door when things start going wrong. Again, I appreciate your input but to me it’s just another step forward to mediocrity for our Chief’s. JMO.

I wasn't saying Fisher is a "flashy coach", but that he is the big shiny coaching candidate.

The Flashy Hire.

He is a smart coach. But the biggest issue for Fisher is going to a team with a young potential superstar QB either already on their team or potentially available in the draft. I don’t disagree with the need to get a franchise QB… we definitely need one… but with our current talent situation, I’d personally rather see the Chiefs spend this years’ FA money and draft picks trying to fill in as many of the remaining holes as possible, rather than spending 2 to 3 picks this year and next to move up and get Luck or RGIII. I think we’d handicap ourselves doing that. However, we do have the cash, so maybe they are planning to do this and spread the cash through FA. I want to be able to protect that QB, give him weapons to work with and depth in case of injuries. We’ve barely got 1 of those 3 things right now. I can live with Cassel or Orton for one more year if necessary. My offseason plan would actually be to drop both of those guys and go for Flynn, but that’s probably a pipe dream.

Falcon58 - January 4, 2012 reply

I agree and disagree. I think we need the QB now. Actually, our OL played OK

much of the time as in the GB game. If we have a QB that can make decissions and move the ball, the OL looks a lot better. Get and grow with RGIII and use FA to build other areas the best we can and I think this team would take off right away.

I think the same with Flynn. Get him and build around him but #1 to me should be the QB. To continue building and then fill in a QB later, just seems backwards to me. QB is much more important to me than the coach. Again, I like Crennel but I really don’t see him making a big difference. However, RGIII or Flynn really could and I think it is time to take the risk. Not to, keeps this team at mediocrity.

If Fisher is smart

He’ll go to Tampa – nobody seems to be keying on that though.

There is some connection to STL – Kevin Demoff is the Rams COO – and his dad is Fisher’s agent.

Miami is a better choice than Stl, but Tampa is the best of the bunch. Tampas owners don’t interfere, they have the money and aren’t afraid to spend it. He may have issues in Miami if they keep Mike Nolan. Much like we discussed here, Nolan runs a 3-4 and Fisher is a 4-3 guy.

I’d say he should go to Florida – either Tampa or Miami. If he goes to Stl he’s digging his own grave.