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So the only OC available was Mcdaniels???

RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

Name a better option

Yes, system matters.

Considering the strengths of our team

Any OC that accentuates the run to set up the pass, which is definitely NOT Mcdaniels. No doubt system matters, and Mcdaniels doesn’t fit this system at all, likely why the team hasn’t sought permission to talk with him.

RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

The best teams pass to set up the run these days.

Just saying, it’s a modern philosophy, but it’s what is working right now in the NFL.

m.yashi - January 7, 2012 reply

What's wrong with that?

I say whatever scores touchdowns and wins games works best.

bribing the zebras?

just a thought …

Tomatoes / tumahtoes

A balanced team needs the ability to both run & pass to be successful…

is that like balanced nutrition?

A balanced team needs …

Yup....just like chocolate & coffee!

;-)

back from a 1.5 hour massage….now that’s a balancer!

The best teams also have elite QBs, which is something we don't have

So until we have that, we have to utilize the strengths we have, which is JC and a decent run blocking o-line.

RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

Just hope that JC returns as healthy as he was before the injury.

Not likely this next season, unfortunately

Especially for a RB that depends on explosive cuts and change of direction like he does. The “good” thing is how early the injury happened this season, so there is a good amount of time for recovery and rehab, but once the real practices and games begin again for him, it will take a while for him to get comfortable and confident on running and cutting like he did pre-injury.

RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

the Niners have an elite QB? damn ... who knew!

The best teams also have elite QBs

One season of quality play doesn't make you the best

Ask Todd Haley about that

RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

the Ravens have an elite QB? damn ... who knew!

ask Joe Flacco about that

They also run to set up the pass

Let me clarify for the extremely picky word smith here: 99% of the consistently best teams in the league have an elite QB.

Better, ups?

RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

I'm SO glad you agree with me on this :-)

And those teams have Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees

You cannot simply conjure up a QB like that. Otherwise, every team would have one.

MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012 reply

So true MN...which is why the best recipe is to create a good balanced team

um…“complimentary football”?…

and look for the best QB possible…

I think I’ve given up hope that the Chiefs will ever have an elite QB again…and hope now for solid balance and depth to create consistently a good team that has a chance for the big dance (Balt in 2000 anyone?)

I thought we had a chance at drafting one

When there were 3 in the draft. 2 is much more difficult.

MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012 reply

He runs the Erhardt-Perkins offense

Same as Weis and similar to what Haley does philosophically.

Haley was known for his passing offense before he got to KC. I think McDaniels would be able to adjust to his team’s strengths. In our case, it is the running game.

McDaniels couldn't adjust his shoelaces in St Louis!

How do we know if that was him or Spags?

Didn’t Haley mettle with our playcalls? I wonder if Spags did this with McD…

MountainManMike - January 7, 2012 reply

Doubtful

Most of the problem was that they scrapped the entire offense entirely and had no time to work on the new offense because of the strike. Brandon Lloyd indicated that it was the same offense in St. Louis that they ran in Denver pretty much and there were no stories coming out that Spagnuolo was micromanaging.

Plus, part of the reason Haley meddled in KC was that he was an offensive coordinator and felt (stupidly) that he “knew” offense well enough to pull double duty. Spags was a defensive guy…it’s unlikely he micromanaged in an area that wasn’t his expertise.

Hmmm,

Considering the strength of Denver was the zone-blocking, one-cut running offense that set up the pass in Denver, on top of the fact that he continued to call deep drops despite a bad o-line and seemed to refuse to run a work horse like Steven Jackson when needed most in St. Louis, its hard to imagine Mcdaniels adapting to anything here in KC.

RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

Clarification

The strength of Denver was the zone-blocking, one cut ruining offense to set up the pass BEFORE mcdaniels got there.

RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

McDaniels and Adapt ... two words that never go in the same sentence

joplin chiefs fan - January 7, 2012 reply

Cassel looked pretty decent in NE with him as OC

Can’t credit Brady for that

Yup

And nobody was talking up Matt Cassel as a good fallback option before Brady went down. In fact, people thought it was pretty much the end of their season.

Technically, it was. They didn't make the playoffs

Now that we have seen how mcdaniels utilizes a team’s strength in Denver and St. Louis, I think its safe to assume that Belicheck had more to do with altering the New England offense midseason in 2008 to better mask Cassel’s shortcomings than Mcdaniels did.

RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

They Went 11-5 And Were In Contention Throughout

QB was not the problem with their season.

And what is your gripe about McDaniels’ offense in Denver? He ran a pretty solid offense, actually. He got career best results out of Brandon Lloyd and Eddie Royal. He got good performance out of Kyle Orton. He spent one year on a shitty Rams team with no offseason to install his offense, a shit WR corps and an injured QB, and a line missing both tackles with no depth. Frankly, he’s shown that he’s pretty good as an OC, which is part of the reason Belichick wants him back.

Name a random person other than Josh McDaniels.

That person is a better option.

bossmanham - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

Peewee Herman

Name a better option

So you're saying...

you’d rather have someone who plays with himself in dark theaters than a cheater?

;-)

you're very perceptive and knowledgeable about football related matters ...

… AND you have coffee …

you are my new best friend!

Clem Kadiddlehopper

or Zorn...

seems like a logical choice.

kc571 - January 7, 2012 reply

Just means that we need to get an O-line Coach and a QB coach.

Which would seem to be easier hires… or one would hope.

just think ... if we had some beastly OLine and like some killer amazingly great QB and we re-sign Bowe and Moeaki is healthy, and Charles ...

… hell, who needs an OC?

right

I think that’s the way it goes. Romeo HC and Zorn at OC. Hopefully Romeo promotes the DC from within and we can have some semblance of continuity going into next year. Let’s have a solid draft and nab a couple of good FA’s and continue building on what’s already there just like the last three years. It’s a good overall philosophy and I think it’s ultimately going to be the best approach. It ain’t sexy but who gives a shit if we get better.

Zorn

Considering how badly he ran an offense in Washington, I want nothing to do with him as an OC. And I really hope Maurice Carthon doesn’t get the job…he was Romeo’s OC in Cleveland and he was horrible.

If the last three weeks were any indication

of how the O can run, I’d be ok with Zorn. Not saying it was great, but it improved. All things considered, it gave me hope with a group of players/QB and coaches that didn’t have much time or chemistry together. Like I said, not sexy but it could work. I agree there are arguments against promoting Zorn, but I’m not seeing any great alternatives out there.

I completely agree on Mo Carthon.

More than anything, I’d like to see some bigger beef added to the O-line and a schematic shift to more simplified power blocking.

Muir Ran Those Offenses

Not Zorn. Muir was the OC and the guy talking about the gameplanning…Zorn was still just the QB coach, and the QB position wasn’t so stellar that we should overlook his not impressive track record with offenses. There’s a reason that he has never been an OC in the NFL, and that the only team that let him run an offense stripped him of play calling responsibilities (even though he was head coach). He isn’t good.

'fusayso

but I recall lots of talk about it being a triumvirate with Haley then Romeo and Muir and Zorn.

Technically, Any HC/OC/QB Coach Mix Is A Triumvirate

Doesn’t mean that all contributed equally.

Look no further than Matt Cassel

(and so begins the next defense of the Cassel apologists)

That Zorn was even involved in the offensive game planning

speaks to the Chiefs valuing his knowledge and ability to coach. Muir is likely gone. Seems like a pretty natural fit. Maybe not the greatest prospect in the world, but it makes some sense. McDaniels made sense in his own way but that doesn’t necessarily make him the greatest option either.

I Boil It Down To "What Has He Achieved?"

Head coach/OC at Washington – disastrous results, got relieved of play calling duties.

QB coach at Baltimore – Joe Flacco was an average QB when he was there and is still an average QB since he left.

QB coach in KC – Matt Cassel and Kyle Orton, both average QBs (and that’s being generous with Cassel in 2011). Tyler Palko sucked balls, Ricky Stanzi was a non-factor.

Who cares if the coaching staff “values his input” when his input doesn’t produce results? That just means the coaching staff should find someone better to give input.

Muir is set to retire.

No need to be content with Muir.

neiowakcfan - January 7, 2012 reply

yes, this is good news IMO

aFan4Life - January 7, 2012 reply

Pioli and McDaniels are cool

I would like to see why McD could do with our offensive weapons.

As OC….not HC. Maybe a Head job in the future.

Matt_Grbac - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

Maybe a Head Job in the future?

Chiefs have reached out to the Rams

The Dispatch said “reach out” not a “reach around”.

electriclight - January 7, 2012 reply

I hoping for a head job this evening.

Hahaha!!!

Almost spit out my chick fil a when I read that!! Lol

Matt_Grbac - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

Del Rio for DC

At Carolina, he led the team to the 2nd place D in the league. He was an ex-Chief and Jayhawk. We have to admit, when at Jacksonville, Del Rio wasn’t horrible until this year. The Jaguars were always in the playoff hunt, but were constantly just short. We could try to groom Del Rio into our next head coach under Romeo, he is still younger then most fired coaches out there, and can still learn. Seems like a Chiefs-like move if you ask me. The Chiefs have a thing with ex-head coaches.

super8 - January 7, 2012 reply

I can get behind that.

bossmanham - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

Oh, he is a jayhawk? We definitely don't want him anywhere near this team

He might lead a new charge to get Arrowhead moved to Johnson County

RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

Yeah, cause Sumner county would be much better.

Jackson is just fine, has been for a while, and will continue to be

RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

I just thought that since we just built a new casino down here, we could also maybe add a new stadium and host the chiefs here so we would not have to drive the two hundred miles.

Sounds like an up-and-coming county

Next real estate boom: wal-mart :-)

RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

If we could be so lucky....

High Standards

Del Rio wasn’t horrible

electriclight - January 7, 2012 reply

NO!

DC isn’t changing coaches yet and as someone who is also a Redskins fan I don’t want Del Rio.

aFan4Life - January 7, 2012 reply

it's too early, you mean Def coordinator

I’ll go back to sleep now.

aFan4Life - January 7, 2012 reply

I wouldnt mind seeing Del Rio as DC but we need a HC first and I hope they let RC select his own coaches tho if he is indeed the next hc, I dont want Josh MCD coming here either, Looks like Jeff Fisher is going to Rams ESPN is sayin he has said thats his only choice…

Makes sense

I’m betting Fischer gets full personnel control, which is exactly what I’ve been saying a veteran, successful coach such as himself would likely seek. Add on Bradford, and its probably a done deal

RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

Does Del Rio run a 2-gap 34?

Didn’t think so.

does McHoodie have a clue what he's doing?

Didn’t think so

Don't think we are looking at McDaniels as DC

Just a hunch though.

ESPN also reported a few days ago that Chiefs one of 5 teams interested in Manning if he’s healthy I’d give up 2 1st rounders for him..

joplin chiefs fan - January 7, 2012 reply

Can you give us a link to that? That's great news!

super8 - January 7, 2012 reply

Not saying this is necessarily the case with this story

but I think sometimes ESPN and other media outlets report stuff like this based on who they think SHOULD be interested instead of basing their stories on real evidence.

Agreed

Especially the division bloggers. They give their opinion on what direction the team should go and what players they should target, and I think people run with it and claim its official reports that is in fact happening. Believe very little from them until it is officially announced by the parties involved

RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

Totally agreed--most of the sports media does that, anymore, whether it's national or local.

Sports media = speculation. They’re barely more accurate than we are, for the most part.

Look, I can be Bill Williamson or Adam Tiecher:

“The Chiefs are only interviewing Jack Del Rio so they can get an insiders’ view of his defensive coordinator, Mel Tucker. Tucker—a former secondary coach and defensive coordinator under Romeo Crennel—is likely a consideration for Crennel’s defensive coordinator position and possibly, coach-in-waiting. No worries Chiefs fans, Jack Del Rio won’t be prowling the sidelines in KC any time soon.”

See? I can be sports media too.

Sounds like you could be a weather forcaster too.

Cloudy today, with a fair chance of sunshine in the late-morning throughout the afternoon. High's in the mid-thirties to low fifties.

much easier job to have in San Diego

sunny and high in the mid-80’s today and tomorrow … now back to Cindy at the news desk

(365x)

Then everyone gets pissed at you when you are wrong...

Bastard told us we landed Manning, and we ended up with showers.

Worst day EVER!

hmmm

so you would give up 2 first round picks to get a Qb who has was out a whole season with what may be a Career ending injury… indoing so you would give the colts 2 additional first picks to go with LUCK I would rather give them 2 first round picks plus some others and GET LUCK…..

Battle AXE - January 7, 2012 reply

I'd rather just use the 1st round picks to continue building our own team

And spend some money in FA

Peyton Manning!! (if released)

crazy talk!

KC Nate - January 7, 2012 reply

What's Mangini doing these days?

Possible defensive coordinator should Romeo get the job?

Jpocket - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

just say no

Obvious new England ties...

Seems like fired head coaches who go back to “coordinating” do very well.. Dom capers, wade Phillips. Not that I think Mangini is a great coordinator, just connecting the dots.

Jpocket - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

screw New England

Mangini is a commentator on ESPN..

Saw him last night on NFL live.

chiefsfan62 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

Yep, and he was lamenting how

Tebow didn’t complete a pass that would have put Denver in position to tie KC with a FG… never mind the score was 7-3 at the time…

a great football mind, that guy.

neiowakcfan - January 7, 2012 reply

Mangini was a deal-breaker for Pioli in Cleveland. I doubt he'd be considered here.

Check out “War Room” for details…the gist of the story is, Randy Lerner told Pioli that he wanted a GM who would work with Mangini. Mangini is the one who ratted out “Spygate.” We hire Pioli, not Cleveland…

I don’t see Mangini here, any time soon.

No link I didnt see the story myself, people at work seen it on ESPN, But would love to see it come true, agreed about media I personally would like to see what Orton could do with our offense he has a better arm than Cassel…I believe Mangini is coaching some where

the Venus de Milo has a better arm than Cassel ...

so much for the NFL being a what have you

Done for me lately league. I coulda sworn the Rams had the worst offense in football under McDaniels.

JC25FoMVP - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

But that record breaking offense that had so much more to do with Brady, Moss and Welker than Mcdaniels will forever be the crutch for his career

RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

Agreed.

I would take him if he brings his quarterback with him,

McD is Belichick's boy.

Coaches’ kid, worked under Nick Saban (one of Belichick’s buddies), coached both sides of the ball in NE…he’s a Belichick kind of coach. And I mean that in any way you can concieve it…good, bad, and ugly.

I read on PFT that McD would be the first ex-coordinator that Hoodie Bill has brought back since coming to NE. Perhaps he feels that his “boy” needs image/coaching rehab…

Good enough for New England, but not good enough for Kansas City

Maybe we are doing it wrong.

boy, stop

first, you’re comparing apples and oranges with KC and NE

secondly, looking at what’s happened in both Denver and St Louis with open eyes and a critically thinking mind, the only logical conclusion is that McDaniels is ruinous to the health of any team that doesn’t have Belichick and Brady

he misused that entire Rams offense all year long after all the damage he did in Denver … and you want to bring THAT kind of useless crap to KC?

child, please!

I think you are just mad you drafted Steven Jackson in FF

A Point About St. Louis

First, they lost both of their offensive tackles off of a thin o-line. Not McDaniels’ fault. Second, they lost their best receiver (Amendola) from an otherwise terrible receiving corps (their second-best WR, Danario Alexander, was chronically injured). They got Brandon Lloyd in Week 6, but by that point Bradford was dealing with injury issues. Not McDaniels’ fault. Third, and most important, they completely scrapped the previous year’s system and had no time to work on McDaniels’ system because they had no offseason. If you’ll look around the league, other teams that made dramatic changes to their lineups (Seattle, Dallas) also struggled with new offensive schemes and/or integrating new players with the shortened offseason.

Actually, That Was Three Points

But I think it also says something when Sam Bradford, who struggled this year, still says that he prefers McDaniels’ system to the WCO he ran the year before. And that Brandon Lloyd (correctly) credits McDaniels as being the only coach who has ever understood how to use him.

I get that a lot of people here really hate Josh McDaniels. What I don’t get is how people can willfully ignore that apart from last season he’s actually done a very good job running offenses.

and they run seven plays inside the ten

with Steven Jackson standing on the sidelines. Definitely McDaniel’s fault.

neiowakcfan - January 7, 2012 reply

Unless Jackson Was Hurt

Which has been known to happen to him frequently.

I don’t know the game you’re talking about, so I can’t really argue it.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=311212026&period=0

I remember the game, Jackson was not hurt

They tried throwing it, a QB sneak, and handing the ball off to someone else for 6 of the 8 plays from the 1 yard line and could not make it into the endzone, the 7th was a direct snap for no gain, the 8th play they handed it off to Jackson and he ran right through the Dline for an easy TD

Direct snap to S.Jackson. S.Jackson left guard to SEA 1 for no gain
S.Bradford pass incomplete short right [A.Bigby]. PENALTY on SL-S.Bradford, Intentional Grounding
C.Williams left guard to SEA 1 for no gain
S.Bradford up the middle to SEA 1 for no gain
S.Bradford pass incomplete short right to D.Alexander
S.Bradford pass incomplete short left to B.Lloyd
S.Bradford pass incomplete short right to D.Alexander
S.Jackson right tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN

BAMFSpecialOps - January 7, 2012 reply

I dislike him as much as you do, Ups. But to defame McD's offenses in Denver is incorrect.

He did things with Kyle Orton that no one else had done previously. Ever, in fact. Same with Brandon Lloyd…Jabar Gaffney (in NE)…Cassel (in NE)…

Guy is a class-A prick and maybe thought he knew it all this year in St. Louis, but it isn’t his fault that his offensive line and receivers went to hell with injuries.

I have been educated by Lamb and Donk fans on this one (unfortunately).

Tempestuous Binary - January 7, 2012 reply

Why is he a prick?

Seriously, this must be the biggest myth about him.

"My draft board only has 100 players."

Ring a bell?

No, we like talented asshole coaches too, we play the same game.

Belichick just has the structure in place to ensure McDaniels sticks to drawing up plays in the dirt and works on the other aspects of coaching (not saying too much in interviews, for example).

Us, on the other hand? I think McDaniels would/could be more of a loose cannon here. Now, he did work with RAC’s secondary in 2001, and coached offense on the same staff for three seasons after that, so while there may be some mutual respect RAC isn’t McDaniels’ mentor. Hoodie Bill is.

Also, working with Brady is a great way to build/burnish a reputation (see: McDaniels, 2002-2009, Bill O’Brien, 2009-2011).

We’re not doing it wrong, we just don’t have the winning pieces.

we don’t want McD here lets let him go to Belichick, there a match made in heavin Brady made MCd for that matter anyways.

there about ready to talk about Romeo and Josh MCd on ESPN …

just said we plan to retain RC as hc, Josh McD to New England and he can coach in the play offs this year, talk about worst to first, now hopefully RC can choose his own DC/OC

My prediction

Zorn to OC, Gibbs to DC.

We still suck next season.

Shefter just reported

Chiefs are going to name Crennel permanent HC

RamX21 - January 7, 2012 reply

what a shock :-)

didn't see it coming

RamX21 - January 7, 2012 reply

the best part of this, of course, is that Joel will now have LOTS of "hits" on AP today

… and with Chris in town for the weekend a lively night out with the family, all paid for by the good graces of bloggers everywhere :-)

Should've waited until today to post that D-line thing...

More exposure, yanno? :)

MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012 reply

Change the title & repost ;)

jmcgoblue - January 7, 2012 reply

yep just seen the update RC as permanent hc

RAC city bitch!

RamX21 - January 7, 2012 reply

Done and done

On to an OC, then the contracts of Carr, Bowe, Mcclain and Orton, then the draft, then the recovery of Berry, JC, Moeaki, Cassel, and Siler, then….Super Bowl!

RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

cassel - super bowl, same sentence? NOT.