It appears we may have a decision on the Kansas City Chiefs head coach. At least according to ESPN. Adam Schefter is reporting that the Chiefs plan to retain Romeo Crennel as the head coach and remove the interim tag title.
Some reports are saying the move could be made official early next week. We shall see.
This is the direction many of us thought the Chiefs would go. Some members of the coaching staff have publicly backed Crennel. Many of the players have as well. Crennel went 2-1 down the stretch and the team seemed to rally around him. I can see how this makes sense.
Crennel has previous experience as a head coach when he spend four seasons as the Cleveland Browns head coach going 24-40 in that span.
Crennel now enters the 2012 season without a defensive coordinator -- that's the position he held before getting the interim tag -- and potentially an opening at offensive coordinator depending on what Bill Muir's future is.
Early thoughts on the move?
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Any chance Philbin is hired as Assistant Head Coach/OC?
Perhaps Pioli can entice him to join the staff, where he can actually call the plays. And since RAC is unlikely to coach for an extended period of time, Philbin would then be the Head Coach in waiting.
WoodyardBBQ - January 7, 2012
Why would Philbin leave Green Bay for anything less than a Head Coaching gig?
Im not even sure you are allowed to talk to a team for a coach for a lateral move without the teams permission, and I doubt Green Bay would give said permission.
averagegatsby - January 7, 2012
so Zero chance
averagegatsby - January 7, 2012
He would add
full gameplanning and playcalling. Right now he is just part of a whole… I agree that he wont leave GB for anything else but a HC job but there would be positives for him to get out of GB as far as actually getting a HC job over just being an interview.
KSU-Chief - January 7, 2012
he doesn't even do the playcalling now ar GB
and if GB continues to roll, wouldn’t be available for over a month …
upamtn - January 7, 2012
That was my point
If he did go somewhere else as an OC he would get his first shot at full gameplanning and playcalling. Right now he does the same thing as Carmichael and many other OC in the NFL with a HC that calls the plays.
KSU-Chief - January 7, 2012
SO he can call plays on offense?
And get closer to his head coaching gig..
Kcbiggyblue - January 7, 2012
Because here hes has an opportunity to be HC within a couple of years.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
Doesn't he have the opportunity to be a HC now?
averagegatsby - January 7, 2012
If that doesn't pan out.
Just mean he has a better chance of becoming one here then in GB if nothing else materializes elsewhere.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
I don't agree with that at all...
He will likely have more opportunities next year if he stays in Green Bay… As long as they have Aaron Rodgers their coaching staff will continue to get more credit than they deserve.
averagegatsby - January 7, 2012
Im not a big Philbin fan anyway.
Clements and McCarthy are the brain trust over there. Much rather see Clements come here because it’s at least a promotion for him.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
That could happen too.
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
Doubt he would leave too
However, in Kansas City he could run his own offense. At Green Bay he is only offensive coordinator by name, the true brains behind the Packers’ offense is Mike McCarthy.
ChiefsFan90s - January 7, 2012
An interesting possibility. Matt Flynn isn't going to get much playing time in GB, so I'd sure
like to see the Chief’s take a close look at him. Philbin and Flynn might be a great combination.
jcox31mc - January 7, 2012
Haley and Leinhart might be a great combination ...
oh wait … never mind :-)
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Enough of back ups from good teams
Deberg, Bono, grbac, Collins, & cassel. Only joe & Trent panned out. Draft a qb or start stanzi
MadMartigan816 - January 7, 2012 via mobile
RAC CITY!
jakeakabigdub - January 7, 2012
Love it!
Schefter also reported McDaniels is headed back to NE as an assistant and will coach in the playoffs, and take the role of OC next season.
Lehnhart - January 7, 2012
saw the Crennel news in last post ... comment by Ramx21
H/T to Ram
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Alright. HC down.
Coordinators to go.
Let’s do this.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
RAC him!
definitely the right guy for this team….wish he wasn’t already 64 years old.
reedeasy - January 7, 2012 via Android app
I think we have the DC on the staff
My vote is for Emmitt Thomas to be the DC he has been assistant head couch in Atlanta for 5 years and was the interim head couch. We go out and get an OC and let him be assistant head couch. I like the Packers OC for that spot. This way we will keep everyone on the D-staff and just have to add a couch or two. I think about half of the O-staff will be new people.
killerjt - January 7, 2012
Coach
lol
Chiefs II TK - January 7, 2012 via mobile
I'm down for some new couches.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LadyChief - January 7, 2012
nice!
upamtn - January 7, 2012
With West Virginia headed to the Big 12, we’ll all need as many couches as we can get.
WURoyal - January 7, 2012 via mobile
Tim Couch?
ExRoyalsFan - January 7, 2012
Are those toilets or speakers?
Or both? Speakers that play the brown note?
MasterChief - January 7, 2012
Or is it the couch you need
when you shit yourselves when Cassel leads us to a Superbowl?
MasterChief - January 7, 2012
I'm good with promoting from within for the DC.
Gibbs or Thomas. Keeps consistency on that side of the ball. And we all know Romeo is still going to have a huge influence there anyway.
polodude017 - January 7, 2012
Why Mel Tucker?
Guy has worked under him at Cleveland and now has head coaching experience.
ChiefsFan90s - January 7, 2012
about time.
was the best option for us give the candidates. now to find good OC/DC one of which could assume HC role later down the road after Crennel retires.
KC Nate - January 7, 2012
I like it
I’ll wait until it’s official to be too happy about it though.
bh13 - January 7, 2012
I have no problem with it.
I wouldn’t mind if Zorn is given a shot at OC, and DC I have no opinion on, I don’t know who is available, or who would be a good candidate.
averagegatsby - January 7, 2012
If we do that, I hope we get a new dedicated QB coach then.
My biggest original gripe w/ Haley was not getting one sooner. If there’s one position group I think should always have a dedicated coach, it’s QB.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
I agree with all that
nateforchiefs - January 7, 2012
fair enough...
I don’t think there has been a coach to get dicked around like Zorn though. I’d like to see him finally get the shot he deserved, and Im not talking about that SNAFU that Washington did to him.
averagegatsby - January 7, 2012
Right. I'm not by any means suggesting that Zorn be held back.
Just that the QB’s coach position doesn’t get left empty if he does.
Of all teams who can’t afford to neglect any facet of the QB position, we’re among the top of the list.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
Agreed
Especially for that expensive Cassel guy :-)
RememberDelaney37 - January 7, 2012 via mobile
Lol - I <3 me some falcon.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
Is Sirianni still on the staff?
KC_Chiefs92 - January 7, 2012
last i checked he was
chiefs_fan_forever - January 7, 2012
Emmitt Thomas, perhaps?
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Should RAC still call defensive plays?
Lehnhart - January 7, 2012
I saw yes. Our D was awesome the last 3 games of the year.
photo700 - January 7, 2012
say*?
chiefs_fan_forever - January 7, 2012
He did the final 3 games...
Didnt seem like it changed anything on the D side and he was still able to do the HC stuff.
KSU-Chief - January 7, 2012
I agree
He should continue to call plays for the defense
Lehnhart - January 7, 2012
OC
Todd Haley?:)
KSU-Chief - January 7, 2012
there ya go ...
… for Arizona
upamtn - January 7, 2012
I thought it was odd
We heard rumors all week long about coaches being interviewed all over the league but we never heard one rumor of anyone wanting to talk to Romeo. I thought that was strange or everyone already knew he was staying
brewman32 - January 7, 2012
This was a no brainer
Good decision Pioli. The more important decision is OC.
KcChiefsMo - January 7, 2012
Would you be down for Philbin being named OC/Assistant HC and bring Flynn with him?
photo700 - January 7, 2012
Yes but no Flynn...
Flynn had one good game, and the Chiefs have seen what happens when you take a backup QB(Cassel) and make him a starter just because he has one good season let alone one game.
TheChefs82 - January 7, 2012
He played well last year at NE as well
photo700 - January 7, 2012
so did Cassel.
Arrowheadone - January 7, 2012
Cassel played for GB?
photo700 - January 7, 2012
What are we saying? We want to bring a B in that has one good game a season
TheChefs82 - January 7, 2012
But also we could bring Flynn in to compete with Cassel or Orton and Stanzi. Best man wins.
This is an option vs. drafting a QB. Not saying Flynn is amazing or anything. Just another route to take.
photo700 - January 7, 2012
Agreed
Considering there will be no worthwhile QBs in the draft at 11 or 12 and to be honest I don’t want RG3, I am not a big fan of the QB option run type offense. As long as he goes to the NFC I could care less.
TheChefs82 - January 7, 2012
Philbin for OC yes
I’m not sure about Matt Flynn, it’s too Matt Cassel like. Don’t want to go down that road again.
KcChiefsMo - January 7, 2012
Matt Flynn is not Cassel-like. Look at Flynn's college bio. No Comparison. Cassel never even
started. Flynn was the most valuable player of the Championship Game.
jcox31mc - January 7, 2012
Great point!
photo700 - January 7, 2012
compare the college stats of Manning and Harrington ... both were AWESOME
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Leaf kicked SO MUCH ASS!
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
and Russell!
upamtn - January 7, 2012
And that Tebow guy
TheDudeAbides007 - January 7, 2012 via mobile
Would you guys rather have ....
Cassel/Orton, Stanzi, Palko or Draft Pick as our QB’s
or
Orton, Flynn and Stanzi?
photo700 - January 7, 2012
Depends on if we'd be able to draft RG3 / Luck in some crazy trade up or not.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
My scenario is no RG3 or Luck
photo700 - January 7, 2012
Given that context - definitely Orton, Flynn, Stanzi
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
So was Tebow
just saying…
KSU-Chief - January 7, 2012
see? we coulda had Tebow!
if only we’d had McHoodie in charge of getting players … see what we missed out on?
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Heck yeah
and we wouldnt have all this “Are we going to sign Bowe?” because McFail would have traded him to SF for a 3rd rounder…
TEBOW!!! GREATEST QB EVER
KSU-Chief - January 7, 2012
McHoodie! Greatest ...
oh … never mind
upamtn - January 7, 2012
This is NOT happening.
He’s not leaving GB without a HC job. Makes no sense. Yeah yeah he’d be an assistant head coach and coach in waiting or whatever. There’s a good chance he gets a HC job this season.
polodude017 - January 7, 2012
FANTASTIC!!!
Romeo Crennel should be the head coach, the players love playing for him and I think with the right coordinators behind him he could be the one to take us to the promise land.
TheChefs82 - January 7, 2012
Now we need an OC that isn't..........
OFFENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LadyChief - January 7, 2012
I agree....
I don’t even know what OCs are out there right now. I am afraid of yet another offensive system changes slowing us down.
TheChefs82 - January 7, 2012
Yeah
I’m really concerned with slowing our offense down.
Tarkus - January 7, 2012 via mobile
any slower it'd be in reverse
RamX21 - January 7, 2012
We saw some of that this year.
electriclight - January 7, 2012
Well with an offense as high powered as ours
A little slow down is inevitable.
I mean, we can’t just keep up this break-neck pace forever can we?
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
LOL!!!
electriclight - January 7, 2012
well since Marty wasn't coming back
and we didn’t hire McDumass, I will renew my season tickets.
Now spend some of my money Clark/Scott on Carr
stenerud's roost - January 7, 2012
Carr for President, we better sign him long term....tomorrow
TheChefs82 - January 7, 2012
nah ... Secretary of Defense
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Everyone knows a Carr isn't a good investmentExRoyalsFan - January 7, 2012
but i guess technically it’s a used Carr.
ExRoyalsFan - January 7, 2012
But in this case the used Carr will cost A LOT more than it did when it was new. ;-)
PVChiefsfan - January 7, 2012
I like it
RamX21 - January 7, 2012
Hopefully this is the start of a good decision making offseason
Next resign Carr and Bowe.
KcChiefsMo - January 7, 2012
Re-sign Carr.
Franchise Bowe.
polodude017 - January 7, 2012
I wonder what Crennel will have to say about QB?
If the reports are true that McD is going to NE, it takes away another “I would like Cassel.” voice out of the equation.
KSU-Chief - January 7, 2012
in our never-ending quest to better our team, we are exploring all options and our goal is to provide the best value for the dollar and have the players that give us the best chance to win
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Is that a quote
right from Pioli’s mouth? :)
You SO forgot the right 53…
KSU-Chief - January 7, 2012
who do you think writes all the press releases for those guys?
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Nuke LaLoosh?
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
Gilbert?
KSU-Chief - January 7, 2012
Saweeeet!!!!
Best option by far!!!!
albuquerquechiefsfan - January 7, 2012 via mobile
Safest hire
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
We should have hired Chip Kelly.
BigRedChief - January 7, 2012
Still need an OC
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
It would be sweet to see how that fast up tempo offense worked in the NFL.
BigRedChief - January 7, 2012
seemed to work in 2003
upamtn - January 7, 2012
We have the type of o-lineman the Ducks use
You give Chip Kelly JC and DexMex we’re putting up more than 7 points on Denver
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
Starting to warm up to Dex?
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
Guy had a real good game against Denver
Well maybe a really good first half. Still taken way too early
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
first quarter was awesome all the way around ... then Bowe got hurt and ...
it was fun while it lasted!
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Which may have showed Bowe's importance to our team
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
I just can't get hung up on someone's draft status
Probably puts me in the minority. But if they play well and are an asset to the team, I don’t care if they come #1 overall or are Mr. Irrelevant.
I like Kendrick Lewis. I’ll like him a lot more if he shows more solid tackling like he did in the last game or two of the season, instead of being the liability he was while tackling earlier in the season. His draft status means nothing to me. “Value for a 5th” is nice, but if we find a better FS to start in his place – good. If he develops and becomes the all around FS we need and a general feel-good story – good.
I just want guys on the field that can get the job done. Regardless of what round (or no round) they were drafted in.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
Exactly, once the contract is signed draft status is irrelevant.
electriclight - January 7, 2012
On one hand its a sunk cost but its hard to not think of the other guys on the board
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
Could we have gotten him in the next rd?
That’s the tough part of the equation. You got a guy that you want for a specific reason, but you have to assume other teams want him for the same reason.
citadelchief - January 7, 2012
Needed and still need more top of the draft beef
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
I can't disagree.
I don’t hate the Dex pick. But I’d like to see us much stronger in the trenches than we are.
Work in progress I guess.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
I can't beat myself up over the shoulda/woulda/coulda.
There’s always someone else who was left on the board that hindsight turns out to show you should have taken instead, years later.
It’s not worth it.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
Just replying on Lewis
He was our playmaker at safety, considering the progression he has made from last year to this year, I believe he was a remarkable pick up. And he finishing his second season. I loves me some Chiefs secondary.
Pacific Chief - January 7, 2012
He's good in coverage.
But until the last quarter of this season, he was a liability with his poor tackling. People remember the INT’s but forget the costly missed tackles that he was prone to.
The last probably two games or so, he showed much better form tackling and wasn’t doing that god awful high arm tackle stuff that any decent runner just shrugged off like a cheap sweater earlier in the year.
If he continues that improved tackling form and stays healthy, I’m plenty happy with him. But so far, he has a larger body of work of being a bad tackler. So hopefully this most recent bout is a trend and not an anomaly.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
So
Where the SS at? He’s supposed take care of running backs, not your deep half FS.
Lewis isn’t the greatest tackler, but it’s not like he whiffed on many tackles. His instincts are phenomenal so he’d at least get a hand on the guy to slow him down. I don’t remember many TDs actually allowed by Lewis because he’doss a tackle.
ChiefWarPaint - January 7, 2012 via mobile
Your FS is your last line of defense before the long TD and the big play.
You want him to make the tackle. He doesn’t have be a hard hitter / fumble forcing maniac. He has to just show good form and bring the guy down.
Lewis was pretty bad at that several times last year and most of this year. Only in recent weeks did he show consistency.
Not sure why people think a FS shouldn’t have to know how to tackle. He’s one of the most vital people on the field who needs to make a high % of his tackles. They don’t have to be fancy earth shattering world splitting tackles that kill the ball carrier. But he has to bring them down.
Lewis showed a very bad tendency to try to arm tackle, and tackle too high – and he got shrugged off a lot by any ball carriers (RB’s and WR’s) who were worth a shit. It was a very bad habit of his.
He’s showing progress though, and that’s good.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
As far as I’m concerned, every single defensive player should know how to tackle. I understand people are going to miss from time to time, but how many times have we watched the defense be in position to make the tackle only to miss?
bh13 - January 7, 2012
Every single player period
offense and defense
BAMFSpecialOps - January 7, 2012
Oh it infuriates me, man.
I’m a big defense guy. Love it. Favorite aspect of the game. And few things piss me off (as far as football goes, anyway) more than shoddy tackling.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
Or TJ and Battle
electriclight - January 7, 2012
Both should be done in KC
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
my point
electriclight - January 7, 2012
We definitely need to get a draft or acquire a good powe back
During the off season. But it might be a good idea to keep Battle. He’s decent on ST and is a good backup power RB.
Scaryclouds - January 7, 2012 via mobile
"You give Chip Kelly JC and DexMex we’re putting up more than 7 points on Denver"
Has the bar REALLY been set this low?
polodude017 - January 7, 2012
Wouldn't be surprised if OC/DC are both in-house promotions.
Gary Gibbs and Jim Zorn wouldn’t be terrible options and keeps some continuity going for the team.
citadelchief - January 7, 2012
Emmit and Zorn if I had to choose with a little help on the Defensive side from ROmeo
TheChefs82 - January 7, 2012
Emmit wouldn't be a bad choice.
But, in RAC’s defense, it’s all about the LBs and that’s what Gibbs does. Keeps the system a little more in tact.
Romeo will definitely keep whomever it is on a short leash with the defense though.
citadelchief - January 7, 2012
I'm not a fan of Gibbs...
Though I believe that if he doesn’t get promoted he will end up getting a promotion on someone else’s team next season.
Zorn taking over at OC seems like a no brainer to me. This would most likely mean Muir retires… I’d like to see a young up and comer take over at Oline, and QB coach… I just don’t know whom those would be, thought I think that those are going to be important hires.
ravenhawk - January 7, 2012
I think Gibbs gets it just because he's the LB coach.
And Romeo is going to retain control over the defense anyways. He’ll try and bring Gibbs along a little more by giving him some more responsibility. He won’t really be a DC, but he’ll be one in training.
citadelchief - January 7, 2012
Well Gibbs is starting to grow upon me after reading on...
Everyone deserves a second chance… This gives someone a chance to come in and learn from Gibbs on ways to get LBers up to par. So this could potential be a pretty good move…
ravenhawk - January 7, 2012
Joel ... H/T Ram who posted in comment on the last thread :-)
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Meh..
Not unhappy with it but I was hoping to keep him as DC and hire a guy like philbin. I mean cmon he’s gna come out in a walker next season!
prodigy101 - January 7, 2012
Absurd and should be removed for general negativity, Romeo is the right choice for us
TheChefs82 - January 7, 2012
CENSOR DISSENTING OPINIONS!!!!
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
I would like a promotion from my current rank of Colnel.
To GENERAL NEGATIVITY!
Does that come with an increased pay grade?
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
maybe General Relativity
just a theory
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Oh man, the punnery knows no bounds today.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
Yea, as usual.
jcox31mc - January 7, 2012
From the future??
Romeos a heck of a DC and I would have loved him to keep his focus on just the defense. Ah well, he’ll still run the defense. What oc’s are out there that are available, other than McDaniels?
prodigy101 - January 7, 2012
To me the coaching staff will be as follows
Romeo-HC
Emmitt Thomas-DC
Joe Philben-OC
At any rate, any OC not named Muir will be an upgrade
trentchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
I don't think there's any way Philbin comes here now.
citadelchief - January 7, 2012
Agreed, no way he leaves the packers just to be another OC with the Chiefs, or anyone else for that matter
TheChefs82 - January 7, 2012
yes very good point
well im stumped on who our OC will be. doubt it’s in house. can’t imagine Romeo going with Carthon again.
trentchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
I'm willing to bet it's going to be Jim Zorn.
citadelchief - January 7, 2012
God I hope not
Don’t get all the Zorn love. Dude hasn’t done much of anything since hanging the cleats up
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
I dunno.
Joe Flacco certainly didn’t look as good without him.
citadelchief - January 7, 2012
Didn't look good with him either
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
But he was sad when he left
so people interpet that as success…
Observer 1, “Wow, that average Quarterback is mad that Jim Zorn got fired and can no longer help him create so much average play.”
Observer 2, “Jim Zorn must be an incredible coach.”
The legend continues…
Chief-blinders-on - January 7, 2012
Had a lot to do with helping Matt Hasselbeck along in Seattle too.
citadelchief - January 7, 2012
coaching up a QB and being OC are a bit different
not saying he couldn’t or wouldn’t be any good … just saying he’s unproven at it as of now
would he be the WORST choice? not at all … would he be the BEST choice? who knows … I rather imagine Crennel will consider him and talk to Pioli about it, if that’s who he wants or thinks he wants
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Yes, but he helped run the Seattle offense.
And did it well enough to get an OC job in Washington. Kinda got screwed by getting promoted though. He shouldn’t have been made HC right away like that.
Also, he did a lot with our offense this year. For the sake of continuity, I imagine that OC will be an in-house promotion. Zorn helped run the offense, so he’s likely to be the hire.
BTW, I’m not saying it’s who I want. Just saying that’s who I’m thinking it will be.
citadelchief - January 7, 2012
guess we'll find out soon ... eventually ... someday ... maybe ...
probably by summer
at least by first game of 2012, right?
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Pioli always hires an OC before the first game of the season...
until he doesn’t.
citadelchief - January 7, 2012
Why
do we need continuity in our offense?
Tarkus - January 7, 2012 via mobile
Thomas Jones needs the money?
electriclight - January 7, 2012
Because it started to show some life at the end of the season.
Orton looks to have a pretty good relationship with Bowe and that’s something to build on, IMO.
We weren’t putting up a ton of points, but we were starting to move the ball. That’s a step in the right direction.
citadelchief - January 7, 2012
Except Orton isn't on the team.
electriclight - January 7, 2012
So give up on that and just go back to Cassel?
Don’t try to re-sign him and try to build on what was working?
citadelchief - January 7, 2012
I hope we re-sign him.
Not counting on it.
electriclight - January 7, 2012
They only way I think we can lure Philbin from GB
Is that he would have almost complete control over the offense and would call the plays. He has neither in GB.
KcChiefsMo - January 7, 2012
Over a Miami, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, or Jacksonville HC job?
Or even replacing Brian Schottenheimer in New York?
citadelchief - January 7, 2012
Great job, hope we get a good OC now
fujirio - January 7, 2012
My money is on Maurice CArthon as OC….and i wouldnt mind seein Raheem morris as DC….great young coach …..
RAWKC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RAWKC - January 7, 2012 via mobile
Jesus
If Maurice Carthon runs this offense, I’m going to call for Crennel to be fired. He’s been horrible as an OC everywhere he’s ever done it. Crennel fired him in Cleveland because he was so terrible.
UCrawford - January 7, 2012
fun fact I wasn't aware of
RamX21 - January 7, 2012
He has been solid as a posotion coach here and played a big role in the change in offensive strategy over the last 3 games
RAWKC - January 7, 2012 via mobile
Good For Him
He can stay a position coach for all I care. He’s proven himself to be a horrible OC.
UCrawford - January 7, 2012
Position coach is where it's at for Mo.
The man’s play calls included pass-protection line calls for a run play. From his own mouth.
Google it—it might take you a page or page and a half to get there.
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
Carthon did the single worst job of calling a game I ever saw
I was at a Browns game against Detroit (emotional – the return of Jeff Garcia after the Browns cut him) and was amazed to learn the Carthon had never heard of the Play action pass. Browns dominated on the ground in the first half, but never once did Carthon take advantage of it by calling a play action pass, despite the fact that receiving corp was one of the teams strengths. It let Detroit stay in the game and ultimately win it. RAC kept Carthon on board FAR too long.
Big Chief - January 7, 2012
Jimmy Raye would like a word with you.
electriclight - January 7, 2012
Know Why Detroit Knew He'd Screw Up
Because he was their OC before they fired him and hired Mike Martz (who did a much better job with pretty much the same players).
UCrawford - January 7, 2012
RAWKC! WHERE YOU BEEN, MAN???????
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Slappin hollywood bouncers and kissin video vixens….you know regular shit….
RAWKC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RAWKC - January 7, 2012 via mobile
I'm available :-)
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Imagine that...
BigRedChief - January 7, 2012
you're supposed to be HELPING me!
upamtn - January 7, 2012
while i love your presence on AP RAWKC
This is a dumb comment. Romeo and Carthon have already been together as HC/OC in Cleveland. It failed. Lets try something different
trentchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
True but i can see pioli and hunt wanting to make a really smooth transistion….it would be a big mistake 2 bring in another attitude and personality when the team is a family…..one bad apple does spoil a bunch in the nfl….
RAWKC - January 7, 2012 via mobile
Solid Hire
I half suspect that Pioli only interviewed Fisher and Del Rio to show us just how unimpressive the other options were. Ad, mark my words, I think that Fisher is going to be very underwhelming wherever he ends up. I predict he will make it to exactly zero Super Bowls with whatever team hires him. And if he’s given control over personnel, I predict he will struggle to make the playoffs.
UCrawford - January 7, 2012
Saying a coach will have zero Super Bowls isn't exactly the most bold statement...
But I think any owner/GM should do their due diligence by at least talking to other candidates… Or did they have to interview a white guy?
averagegatsby - January 7, 2012
I believe it's required by what is known as The Kraft Rule ;-)
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Well Played.
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
Actually, It's A Trend
In the history of the NFL, there have been zero coaches who have won a Super Bowl with two teams.
UCrawford - January 7, 2012
Zero head coaches that is.
Your_Moms_Boyfriend - January 7, 2012
That's All I Care About
And the best they can hope for is that Fisher pulls a Vermeil…gets to a Super Bowl (and loses) with the Eagles then wins one later with the Rams. Judging Fisher by the mediocrity he pumped out for a decade-plus after his Super Bowl appearance, though, he’s no Dick Vermeil. He’s a coach who players like who doesn’t get them to do better than about .500.
UCrawford - January 7, 2012
I know this...
And it was the case in the college ranks too… Until Saban did it.
But if I had to vote on every coach hire if he was going to win a SB or not, I’d almost always vote no, because its so hard to do. Even the good coaches don’t all win one
averagegatsby - January 7, 2012
RAC as HC, promote Gibbs to DC, RAC still calls plays on Sunday and bring in a top notch OC who sees an opportunity to be HC when RAC retires.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
+1
Jonathan Hake - January 7, 2012
Billick?
long shot but it gives him a chance to work his way back into the NFL. before his next HC opportunity
trentchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
I think Billick
could walk right into a HC job if the right spot came along. He would have much more to lose if he became an OC and failed compared to what he would gain if he was successful. I would think that would be the case but you never know…
KSU-Chief - January 7, 2012
Billick has been out of coaching for a while
It’s been long enough that I think GMs will be hesitant to straight up hand the team over to him. KC could be be appealing on offense. I know we finished 2nd last, but we get a half decent QB and JC and ToMo back and offense looks a lot better.
trentchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
That is true about the time frame
but I think SB winning coaches that have retired can be out a long time as long as they have stayed around the game and get hired. Gruden, Cowher etc…
KSU-Chief - January 7, 2012
but neither Gruden or Cowher haven't been hired
trentchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
True, they haven't not been hired yet.
electriclight - January 7, 2012
Gruden Is Going Nowhere
Jon Gruden anyway. He shot down the rumors about returning to the coaching ranks immediately. Why would he ever want to leave MNF anyway? There’s a good paycheck, no pressure, and he works regular days instead of 16-20 hour days.
He keeps getting mentioned because he’s relatively young and because he’s a name. I think he never coaches another game again…the guy looked burned out at the end in Tampa, he was coaching in the NFL for a long time, and I think he realizes he’s in a much better situation.
UCrawford - January 7, 2012
Emmit thomas has no desire to be a dc…he was on the verge of retiring when pioli and hunt got him to come over from Atl…..i say Morris….or maybe Greg manusky from SD…
RAWKC - January 7, 2012 via mobile
We have Gibbs on staff who has experience coordinating and is familliar with the offense.
Leave the play calling to RAC though.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
Baby got rac
PSUkegreen - January 7, 2012
yummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Damn!!!!
Now what do we have around here i can throw on the grill??!!!…..
Wichita Chief - January 7, 2012
Rec'd for everything about it!
bbq ref, rac ref, song ref, pun, picture….niiiiiiiiiiiiiice!
WorL4Chiefs - January 7, 2012
I kind of hope the Jets let go of Brian Schottenheimer
I know he’s got a couple of HC interviews, but if he doesn’t get hired for that then bring him in. And for DC I would have to say Manusky would be my hope. That would be a decent looking staff to me.
ChiefsFan4Life634 - January 7, 2012
Why would we want manusky? Wasnt he the guy who got shitcanned in SD for sucking it up after one year?
readANDgold58 - January 7, 2012
One bad year in a new place with no chance to develop your own personel does not make a coach
He was the scapegoat for the bad season, but to say it was his fault that the talent he had wasn’t what it needed to be to succeed is kind of unfair.
ChiefsFan4Life634 - January 7, 2012
Any former Pats cronies that would make a good DC?
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
Mangini
would never happen though
RamX21 - January 7, 2012
Mangini would be atrocious
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Im not surprised he hasn't gotten a head coaching gig...
But I am surprised his name has never been mentioned.
averagegatsby - January 7, 2012
Pioli is not a fan.
According to the story “War Room,” part of his rationale in coming here instead of Cleveland was Randy Lerner’s desire to pair him with Mangini.
There’s a guy who needs to rehab his reputation…somehow he is still persona non grata in the only coaching tree that he knows his way around. Poor bastard, I’d feel for him if he wasn’t a professional ass-hat (according to NY and CLE fans and press).
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
not just here though... Anywhere.
averagegatsby - January 7, 2012
*the story IN "War Room." Sorry.
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
TEDDY BRUSCHI!!!
averagegatsby - January 7, 2012
One of my Bear Down brothers
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
rather have Vrabel
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Rather have neither
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
Not even Vrabes as coach?
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
Hey at least there'd be beer to go around.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
And the price is right, too.
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
Pepper Johnson
Played LB as a pro, has been on Belicheck’s staff for 12 years. I’m sure Romeo’s familiar with him, but would he live NE? Why hasn’t he been made DC in NE already after 12 years?
MattHoover - January 7, 2012
Because he and Matt Patricia share coaching playcalls, I believe.
Where one ends the other begins.
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
Raiders new GM is considering firing Hue
hahahaha
RamX21 - January 7, 2012
I imagine a guy from Green Bay and Hue probably go about business differently.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
I would too
with the way he was trying to pull a power trip and not just throwing his players under the bus but hopping in it and tripple stamping them…
KSU-Chief - January 7, 2012
no way? whatta maroon ...
seriously, the LAST thing that organization needs is another change
upamtn - January 7, 2012
That's exactly the change they needed to make.
New GM, new direction, new coach. Jackson sucks.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
meh ... I thought Jackson was ok
upamtn - January 7, 2012
He said all the right things...
but they played exactly like the Raiders.
electriclight - January 7, 2012
go figure
upamtn - January 7, 2012
And somehow less disciplined
Which I didn’t think was possible.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
Unfortunately that is probably the smart thing to do.
tidnes2ko - January 7, 2012
Does Mike Nolan become available after Miami hires a coach?
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
Maybe
He’s got too much ego to run RACs defense though.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
I was thinking something along those lines as well
Nolan, Del Rio, etc…
KSU-Chief - January 7, 2012
Del Rio would be fantastic
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
Dude runs a 4-3 though, doesn't he?
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
yup
out of the 2 Nolan would be the better hire
RamX21 - January 7, 2012
Meh, coaches can adjust
Plus how many plays are we in a true base 3-4? 30-40% of the time?
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
And Del Rio's Jag defense used alot of 3-4 base D.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
Didn't know that
Good info to have. Could mean he’s fine playing either.
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
A little less than half
So it could maybe work.
And Del Rio does manage to field decent D’s despite lousy players year in and year out…
However, I’m pretty sure us leaving the base D so much is a reflection of personnel weaknesses more than anything else. Dorsey can’t rush the passer, so he gets pulled. We’ve never had a NT that can rush either, so he gets pulled. T-Jax is better than the other two but still not very good at it. Throw in Belcher not being able to cover me in the flat and I think you see why we switch up defenses…
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
Agreed...
and how much 4-3 defense did we play against Denver? Seemed like most of the game was 4-3.
ravenhawk - January 7, 2012
only problem
Del Rio has the work ethic and intellect of a toad
SillyHatDay - January 7, 2012
Good point.
electriclight - January 7, 2012
Id love to see Nolan.
BigRedChief - January 7, 2012
Nolan would be a GREAT hire
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
Agreed
Chief-blinders-on - January 7, 2012
I hope this is true because i hated the mcd idea.
PSUkegreen - January 7, 2012
This doesn't close the door on McD
If anything, it makes McD as OC more likely. A guy like Fisher or Del Rio or anyone from the outside wouldn’t sign up to being saddled with McD.
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
They all but confirmed he is heading back to NE
RamX21 - January 7, 2012
if Mchoodie is hired by Pats it does rather closer the door
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Doh
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
ESPN Schefter has reported McD to Patriots is a done deal.
KcChiefsMo - January 7, 2012
strike three ... he's outta there!
upamtn - January 7, 2012
Dodged a bullet there.
Whew!
electriclight - January 7, 2012
Thank God he's hired on elsewhere and not here!
WorL4Chiefs - January 7, 2012
Thank you Jesus!!!!!!
Wichita Chief - January 7, 2012
Romeo hc
Martz oc
Del rio dc
kcfan9999 - January 7, 2012 via mobile
1 out of 3 ain't bad
RamX21 - January 7, 2012
martz oc
only if you want to kill the qb even more… would be terrible terrible decision
KC Nate - January 7, 2012
Did you know...
Mike Martz has never called a run play before..
SillyHatDay - January 7, 2012
wouldnt surprise me
even more terrible fit with JC. all kidding aside, im not kidding he’s terrible.
KC Nate - January 8, 2012
Cassell + Martz = Nightmare
Imagine all of the sacks.
ajanzen - January 8, 2012 via iPhone app
Congrats to RAC if this is true.
I hope he does well and turns into an outstanding HC that is talked about for decades.
I am not really into the whole coach search. I will expect anyone who they choose as DC and OC will do well. The part of the staff that I have an opinion on is the strength and conditioning people. Except for the early freak lost knees, they’ve seemed to do a really good job. I’d like to keep them.
tidnes2ko - January 7, 2012
It's not a sexy hire, But the players will go to battle for Romeo! This is good news Chiefs fans
Atomic Punx - January 7, 2012
Raheem Morris as DC???
I know he failed spectacularly as HC in Tampa, but he is supposed to be good with DBs and that is our strength. He seem like a good fit with Romeo’s scheming ability.
gochiefs21 - January 7, 2012
Why hire a new DC? It is really too much to do both (just askin')
paxi - January 7, 2012
Even the coaches that playcall, tend to have an OC
It helps manage their time and responsibilities during the week and game.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
Any way
we could lure in Bobby Petrino to be the OC?
That would be awesome
SillyHatDay - January 7, 2012
Interesting thought...
Pacific Chief - January 7, 2012
Pass
I’ll never forget what he did in Atlanta.
bh13 - January 7, 2012
Why Would He Be An OC?
He’s got a good thing going in the SEC with Arkansas and he seemed to hate being an NFL coach (and wasn’t good at it…before he quit on his team).
UCrawford - January 7, 2012
I am totally for this.
Now that we have a semblance of continuity, let’s get some new coordinators in here and let’s rock this thing! Can’t wait for the draft!
G.L. - January 7, 2012
I love me some Romeo.
That did got more hard play out of this squad as an interim than Haley did all year. Plus he’s a defensive genius
This team is fully behind him, and so am I.
Another good thing about this; one step closer to replacing Cassell. I’d even rather have Orton start. If Baldwin develops
Respect 58 - January 7, 2012 via Android app
no homo?
electriclight - January 7, 2012
Oops
I was saying…
If Baldwin develops into the player he looks capable of being, we have a serious deep threat to catch those long bombs from Orton, opening up the underneath.
Respect 58 - January 7, 2012 via Android app
Success?
Frank Gansz-8-22-1 and lasted two years. Gunther Cunningham-16-16 and was gone after two years. BOTH were fan and player favorites for the job. Only FIVE assistants took over their own team and won a SB since the merger. Those five former assistants were the Baltimore Colts’ Don McCafferty (1970), the Raiders’ John Madden (1976) and Tom Flores (1980, ’83), the Giants’ Bill Parcells (1986, ’90) and the 49ers’ George Seifert (1989, ’94). That works out to be LESS then an 8% success rate. If Romeo can join this short list of 5, I will be happy! If not, we will have this same discussion in here in less then 2 years! Sorry to be the wet blanket in the middle of everyone’s enthusiasm!
Jason Drue Keith - January 7, 2012
Damn you and your facts.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
but you're saying theres a chance!
RamX21 - January 7, 2012
yeah, hell after last year
8% sounds pretty good
paxi - January 7, 2012
0% of those people have been named Romeo Crennell
upamtn - January 7, 2012
What percentage of "new hires" have won the Super Bowl?
I bet it’s just as low.
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
But the guy in Cleveland that went 24-40 and had a lot of problems that were not getting
fixed was named Romeo Crennel.
jcox31mc - January 7, 2012
That's a different argument
I don’t know enough about Crennel’s time in CLE to make a judgment about it.
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
They had a spectacular fail rate with drafts in Cleveland
and never had a good QB.
Recipe for disaster, can’t all be laid at Romeo’s feet.
Your_Moms_Boyfriend - January 7, 2012
I've heard that
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
I'm with you
I just posted some of the same info. But I don’t think Cunningham was really much of a “player’s coach”, and I don’t recall him being a popular choice for anyone except Peterson.
Big Chief - January 7, 2012
Eh, is that kind of a flawed stat, though?
There have been 45 super bowls.
28 head coaches have won a super bowl. That number is not 45 because some coaches have won multiples.
I don’t have the figures on hand right now, but if you can provide the number of total head coaches ever in the NFL since the merger, I’d almost wager that that 28 figure is around or even less than your calculated 8% figure. All it would take would be 280 total coaches to make that number 10%, which wouldn’t be much of a deviation from your 8% figure.
I did find this list of all NFL coaches ever, back it dates back to the 1920’s. And I’m not going to pick out just the coaches since the merger, as it’s close to lunch time and I’m starving. But that list has 448 different coaches since the 20’s.
It’s kind of a cherry-picked and out of context stat, I’d think.
I’ll gladly eat crow if the number of head coaches to win a super bowl is vastly more than 8% of all total head coaches to take the reins of a team.
I just don’t see the number in the context of total coaches to coach in the league vs those to win super bowls being all that far off, and kind of making this stat irrelevant.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
fixed
electriclight - January 7, 2012
Was trying to be polite.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
Well stop it already
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
Yeah, why completely change the very nature of my character I guess?
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
Good to keep in mind.
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
Gary Gibbs should be named DC
He has coached the linebackers the last several years and I think we can all agree that our linebackers have seen huge growth under him. Hali, Johnson, Houston and am improving Belcher.
Gibbs has prior DC experience and Romeo gave him credit the last 3 games for helping him with the game plan.
Let Gibbs put together the game plan during the week and Romeo call plays on Sunday.
As for the Offensive Coordinator I have know idea what direction to go. Hopefully Romeo and Pioli have someone in mind. But Gibbs should be the obvious choice for DC
rockchalk24 - January 7, 2012
Id be very very surprised if this doesn't happen.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
Actually, just the opposite. If Romeo is HC, he really does not have time to call all the plays on
Sunday. He and Gibbs can game plan during the week but then it should be Gibbs that calls most of the plays. Romero will be busy monitering everything else. This is one of my reasons for fearing that the D could suffer with Romer as HC.
jcox31mc - January 7, 2012
Why wouldn't he have time?
Sean Payton calls plays. Bill Bellichick calls plays. Mike McCarthy calls plays.
bh13 - January 7, 2012
Agree. In fact that is why I like the HC to also call plays because it keeps him more
into the flow of the game. However, if he’s helping to call plays while the O is in, he doesn’t have time to be talking and caoching the D. And Crennel, is not one that I expect, nor should he, to be calling offensive plays. That means that the O has to be almost completely turned over to soemone else. Just hope we get the right people.
jcox31mc - January 7, 2012
I wasn't aware anyone was talking about Romeo calling the plays on offense
Romeo and his defensive staff put together the gameplan during the week, Romeo calls the defensive plays. Whoever the OC is calls the offensive plays while Romeo’s doing his HC thing as well as seeing to the D when necessary.
bh13 - January 7, 2012
I agree 100%...
I’ve said for awhile now that if RAC becomes the Head Coach that Gibbs needs to be promoted to DC. He has a lot of years of experience as not only a quality coach but years as a DC at the college and NFL level (New Orleans). If RAC wants consistency on that side of the ball, promoting Gibbs will do that.
Offensively I would like to see the Chiefs bring in Green Bay QB coach Tom Clements. I think he would be a great fit offensively.
ChiefMojo - January 7, 2012
I think this would be a huge mistake
Let’s take a look at how KC has done with “Player’s Coaches”. The first would be Frank Ganz. He was actually appointed HC after the players approached Steadman about how unhappy they were with Mackovic. Ganz went 8-22-1 in his two years. The next one was Herm Edwards, who led the Chiefs to a 15-33 record, with the team getting worse every season.
I was not impressed with RAC’s tenure in Cleveland (I lived here and got to experience it). The team had a lot of discipline issues and he made a lot of mistakes in his assistants. Most disappointing was that the defense didn’t play like a RAC defense that you see when he’s DC. I’d MUCH rather see him stay on as DC.
That said, I hope if Pioli makes this move that he’s right and I’m wrong.
Big Chief - January 7, 2012
They were pretty tight with Dickie V
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
I can't classify Vermeil as a players coach.
HIs training camp and practices were well known to be awfully tough.
Big Chief - January 7, 2012
I don't totally disagree Big Chief
But in fairness those teams in Cleveland were brutal talent-wise. Crennel had no chance with that team and GM/owner. With this team if he can just keep the train moving and hire a good OC we’ll be fine.
Flowers24 - January 7, 2012
I agree too but then aren't you just talking about holding the line (mediocrity) and
not a major Super Bowl run? I just don’t see it. If this hire is true, I believe that we’ve just committed ourselves to some of the same o, same o for the next few years. It will not create or build a SB quality team and I thought at one time that that was the objective.
jcox31mc - January 7, 2012
Prior to Crennel coming on, no team did worse in the draft than the Browns since they returned to the league in 99
But Phil Savage, who hired RAC, did a decent job in his drafts and the Browns talent pool increased dramatically while he was there. The bad thing is that the results on the field didn’t show that.
Big Chief - January 7, 2012
Savage's drafts decent?
I’m having a hard time believing that Big Chief.
My concern with RAC isn’t his ability to maximize talent, it’s his ability to keep the train running on time: Game management. Can he not only use his timeouts, but use them in a way that buys the team extra time in crunch situations? Can he manage clock-and-play-call, along with his staff, to keep the ball moving in rough situations?
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
Nope
His drafts weren’t all that great.
http://football.about.com/library/weekly/bl_drafthistorybrowns.htm
UCrawford - January 7, 2012
but he was a players coach in kc, the vermeil you hear about, the tough vermeil, died in st louis
he was simply the grandfather role in kc
SDChief - January 7, 2012
You sure?
That isn’t what I remember from the Vermeil days either, SD…He cried with his men but he ran them for hours on end and had no problem getting on their asses (well, on the offense’s ass) when he needed to.
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
I Never Heard Of Vermeil Being Soft In KC
When Willie Roaf was retiring, that was one of the ploys the Chiefs reportedly used to get him to come back…that Herm’s practices weren’t as rough as Vermeil’s. In fact, that was one of the knocks on Vermeil, that his practices were too hard on an aging team. He probably would have gotten much better results out of the younger players who filtered in during 2007 and 2008 (who Herm didn’t run nearly hard enough).
UCrawford - January 7, 2012
Me might've been forced to pick the lesser of two evils.
It’s very likely that promoting RAC was the only way to keep him and this defense in town. I think with the right assistants in place he can manage this. I’m still concerned about game management decisions but again hopefully the right coordinators in his ear will help him with that.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
But yes, say goodbye to the vaunted offseason conidtioning program
HIV 2 Elway - January 7, 2012
It will be nice to actually have an offseason this year.
electriclight - January 7, 2012
Agree HIV. Does a player's coach run a tough offseason program. Does he have good
disclipine? Does he make good game time changes and adjustments? How long does it last if he does? Just wondering.
jcox31mc - January 7, 2012
remember when Bowe was benched the entire 1st q of the GB game for a team meeting protocol infraction?
the RAC cracks the whip. discipline won’t be a problem. The coach has to have the support of the players, or they quit & get blown out 5 times a season.
reedeasy - January 7, 2012 via Android app
Having a disciplined team goes way beyond benching a player for a rules infraction
Sorry, that does absolutely nothing to relieve my concerns.
Big Chief - January 7, 2012
Haley's "disciplined" approach really worked out, didn't it?
reedeasy - January 7, 2012
Compared to his predecessor, YES!!
And I think if Pioli and Haley had been able to get along it would still be paying dividends.
Big Chief - January 7, 2012
I wonder about that too...Two men whose personalities (insecurities?) could have really set this team back.
I have to admit, if everything had been copacetic this year there would’ve been a couple more wins out of this deal and we STILL might have won the West.
7-9 works, it’s what I predicted from the beginning…
Still frustrating though.
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
you really think Pioli would make the most important hire of his career someone who was lax on team discipline?
i don’t.
reedeasy - January 7, 2012 via Android app
Well, There's Discipline
And then there’s just being an asshole.
UCrawford - January 7, 2012
Not To Mention
That Haley made a couple of really stupid strategic moves in his offseasons. Fired an offensive coordinator two weeks before the season started and scrapped the entire offense? That wasted the entire 2009 preseason. Decided to use the 2011 preseason to run laps rather than work on the new offense? That paid dividends on the field.
It’s not really tough to tell players to run laps or to yell at them because they make you look bad. It’s a little tougher to help create schemes they can execute and put them in a position to execute those schemes successfully while holding them accountable. The latter is an example of a coach that emphasizes discipline, the former is an example of an insecure bully.
UCrawford - January 7, 2012
Agree. This is definately my concern and we'll be back wanting a new HC in 3-4 years.
jcox31mc - January 7, 2012
I think Gibbs is the way to go as well. He has great coaching experience and knows his players
The defense ain’t broke…so let’s not try to fix it. Stay the course with Gibbs.
This offseason needs to be about finding fixes at QB, OC, and OL. I don’t care if we lose D-Bowe…I don’t, but we MUST resign Brandon Carr!
MattHoover - January 7, 2012
RAC
He’ll do great next year. he’ll have returning talent and much more talent than he had with the browns. Now, we need to figure out what to do with the QB situation.
michaelaglover - January 7, 2012
Don't forget Mel Tucker, interim HC in Jacksonville
He was Romeo’s DC in Cleveland in 2008. A little more Wikipedia digging reminds us that Mo Carthon resigned during RAC’s 2006 campaign as OC due to terrible playcalling!
MattHoover - January 7, 2012
Exactly.
I could see RAC bringing Mel in, and maybe the secondary coach (as he’d coached with RAC and Tucker in Cleveland).
Part of me wonders if that wasn’t the idea behind the Del Rio interview…intel on Mel. Could mean that Tucker is seen as a future head coaching candidate too…
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
If this happens, I’ll go on record as saying, I have my serious doubts.
As Jason Drue Keith so well pointed out above, the success rate for assistants isn’t all that great and I’m also quite leery about so called "players coaches", like maybe Herm and others. However, as a 40+ year Chief fan I will support Romeo and wish for the best. He’s a great guy but my concerns are over his abilities to oversea the entire teams and all activities and show the necessary leadership. It’s big job. At the same time, I see him as being Pioli’s "yes" man and I actually do have concerns about the D declining if he’s got many other worries. Anyway, if it happens, I hope for the best and I do feel that a good OC and QB are even more important to the future of the Chief’s. My first "wish" at this point would be Philbin as OC and assistant HC, they may be a real sleeper combination and we sure need to take some chances if we’re ever going to get an elite QB; my second choice would be RGIII but I don’t think that that will happen and it does take too long for a rookie sometimes to adjust to the pro game (though I do think he could be the exception). My third choice, if healthy would be Manning and I doubt if this is going to happen but he could sure take this organization for a nice ride for a few years like Joe Montana did and last, if not other option, I’d go with Orton and get him all the support that we can. Either way, I see this team as winning ten games and the West next year but after that, then a tougher schedule and the newness of Crennel will be worn off and I would see problems down the line. I don’t think that he can build the team in the long run. Being a players coach only lasts for a short while and I think many are fooling themselves if the believe otherwise.
jcox31mc - January 7, 2012
Like it
Being a coach and seeing situations where you remove a popular coach (regardless of their stature – DC, Assistant, Special Teams, etc.) there is typically a healing process with players which is not good. The Chiefs players seem to connect with Romeo better than any other coach.
I like the decision if this report is true.
I hope that they hire a solid OC and a solid DC that Romeo could help mentor.
SwimCoach - January 7, 2012
I gotta think Crennel
Will go after a franchise NT without pussyfooting. Sione Pouha and Paul Soliai are both out there and I think he knows how this defense can become complete.
JC25FoMVP - January 7, 2012 via mobile
That would be... what's the word...
Awesome.
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
I would rather Poe in the 2nd round or trade back to late first.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
Why take an unproven commodity
When we can get a proven one, and then use that draft pick to grab an O-lineman?
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
Because Poe would replace Dorsey
After all you just wrote this longgggggggggggggggg piece on how Dorsey needs replaced righttttt?
BAMFSpecialOps - January 7, 2012
Or something
I could’ve SWORN that piece was about Dorsey being a very good run defender who is incredibly weak rushing the passer, and that Bailey has the potential to be good at both…
Dorsey doesn’t need replacing bad enough to use a high draft pick on him.
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
I read your piece as saying Dorsey needs to be moved to NT, and that Albert should take snaps at DE.
They say it’s his natural position.
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
I thought Dorsey was a Guard...
BAMFSpecialOps - January 7, 2012
He's gonna be our next OC, actually
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
Yes!
BAMFSpecialOps - January 7, 2012
Run-Run-Run-Run.
Bust out that old Frank Solich, Cornhusker playbook?
Unless he’s also taking snaps, I don’t see Coordinator Branden Albert calling a pass play. Too messy, for one, and he’d have to send Mims out as a tackle-eligible too.
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
I thought Dorsey was the new OC
Albert then runs the wildcat offense as HIS natural position is RB
BAMFSpecialOps - January 7, 2012
You're All Insane
Don’t you know that since 2006, it’s all been Damon Huard pulling the strings on everything that happens with this franchise? It’s Huard, I tell you…Huard. He’s the Dark Overlord of One Arrowhead Drive.
UCrawford - January 7, 2012
Fun Fact
Brodie took over, until he got a papercut and bled out in 2011.
BAMFSpecialOps - January 7, 2012
That was college. Everybody tries out crazy shit in college, right?
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
Well there is BYU...
BAMFSpecialOps - January 7, 2012
Trying out marrying TWO people before age 21, counts as college cray cray in Utah.
That’s what the internets tell me at least
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
Thought that was usual in Utah...
BAMFSpecialOps - January 7, 2012
For the locals, yeah. But the out of state kids are like, what in THE HE--
At that point, some hot local girl throws themselves at them and resistance becomes futile.
Wait, what?
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
Why can't I be 20!!!!!!!!!!
BAMFSpecialOps - January 7, 2012
Gotta rec that, lol
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
In Utah
chics are on their fourth kid by age 21….
tasty little guinea pigs - January 7, 2012
So Utah is the same as China?
BAMFSpecialOps - January 7, 2012
The chinese aren't allowed to have kids anymore
Especially girls, they sell em off like whale meat over there
tasty little guinea pigs - January 7, 2012
You didn't say they keep them!
BAMFSpecialOps - January 7, 2012
Do they taste like guinea pig?
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
hahaha
nice
Buck'O - January 7, 2012
This is true...
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
Because I just don't think those guys are that good.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
In that case it makes sense
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
Soliai would be pretty manly
Plug him in between TJax and Bailey.
Let’s see somebody shove that front off the line.
TRSChief - January 7, 2012
I like it
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
I think Soliai would be a great addition
But we still need to address QB. It needs to be either manning, Flynn, or Orton. With Soliai and any of these three QB’s, we are a 12-4 team next year
tasty little guinea pigs - January 7, 2012
I think guinea pigs would be a great addition.
Roll them in a cornmeal batter and fry ’em up in shortening…
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
Guinea Pig is actually quite delicious
tasty little guinea pigs - January 7, 2012
RAC the new head coach...
and McDouchebag going to New England? This is a good day.
5280ChiefsFan - January 7, 2012
agree
SwimCoach - January 7, 2012
O/T but Colts taking Luck with 1st pick.
RAC+Manning please.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
I wouldn't complain.
2 years of Manning, 2 super bowls.
Then a fully
operational death stardeveloped Ricky Stanzi takes over and lights it up for a HOF career starting in 2014!TRSChief - January 7, 2012
Almost too easy!
electriclight - January 7, 2012
Disney would like to speak with you.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
I'm not jumping for joy
But I’m not upset either. I’m going to take the wait and see approach. I believe Crennel will do better here than in CLE because he has talent now, but still the proof needs to be in the pudding.
Flowers24 - January 7, 2012
I love pudding.
electriclight - January 7, 2012
Now get Del Rio as DC and Get Carmichael For OC!! That would be an awesome staff!
Jeremy Daniel - January 7, 2012
del rio and his 4-3 D? i dont think so
mel tucker makes more sense
SDChief - January 7, 2012
According to AP Del Rio has used both defensive schemes 4-3/3-4
BAMFSpecialOps - January 7, 2012
head coach expirience
im glad that we are getting a head coach with head coaching expirience. although Crennel didn’t have great results in clevland atleast there wont be any adjustment time from moving from a coordinator position to head coach.
Zennedy - January 7, 2012 via Android app
carr
also good incentive for carr to resign with kc so we can tag bowe if need be.
Zennedy - January 7, 2012 via Android app
really waiting to see the headline that carr signs long term....
SDChief - January 7, 2012
i just heard clark hunt put a fresh book of checks in his check book
good sign, save one for peyton manning if healthy
niageriannit1 - January 7, 2012
its critical
that carr be that #2 cb otherwise the defense maybe set back for a while
Zennedy - January 7, 2012 via Android app
del rio for DC
be cee - January 7, 2012
Anyone else think we need a new ST coach?
idahochieffan - January 7, 2012
Everyone else thinks this.
GenericBrand - January 7, 2012
yes, would be absolutely shocking if we dont get a new one
st coaches when they dont perform are discarded for some other guy who may not even be good with special teams….depends on the head coach and the value he places on it. look at vermeil, first ST coach ever, hence why he especially appreciates it, and found use for a sollid unit even with the greatest show on turf. Vermeil went and got not just a son, but his father’s advice as well, a 2 for 1 at ST coach
I would hope romeo knows someone who needs that chance
SDChief - January 7, 2012
maybe if hue jackson gets fired in oaktown
we could land al saunders as oc
niageriannit1 - January 7, 2012
That would be a proven OC pick up
Pacific Chief - January 7, 2012
Different offensive scheme, though...would Pioli OK this?
RAC’s hired Air Coryell coordinators before…Chudzinski’s first run as OC was inder Crennel in Cleveland. He called the plays for Derek Anderson’s Pro Bowl year.
I wouldn’t mind this at all, if it clears the front office (as it all has to on One Arrowhead Drive).
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
Lombardi is saying we will hire "an accomplished offensive coordinator."
Who could that be??
Rev. Slappy - January 7, 2012
Ken O'Keefe
dang, where's that sarcasm font again?neiowakcfan - January 7, 2012
You bite your sarcastic little tongue, lol
go_saleaumua - January 7, 2012
old man vermeil
niageriannit1 - January 7, 2012
Carmichael, Saints OC
Jeremy Daniel - January 7, 2012
we know this pretty much had to happen.
im ok with this because it keeps our imo top 5 defensive coaching staff…..thomas, gibbs….all at high value….
now go get an offensive staff, and make sure to find a st coach, and im content
SDChief - January 7, 2012
I’m ok with this move, like to see us promote with in at DC perhaps Thomas he has done good with our d-line, Dont think I want Bibin as OC like to see us go back to run first then pass offense we will have JC back looks like Jones is gone or gonna retire so JC as our main back and like to see Orton given a shot with this offense wouldnt mind seeing Jay Gruden in as OC But I’m sure we wil have a suprise here next year as OC
Johnolicious - January 7, 2012
Hue Jackson gets fired
Bring him in as OC? I know raiders were claiming he was some kind of offensive genius…
ChiefWarPaint - January 7, 2012 via mobile
I wouldn't mind that
MNchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
Hue Jackson gets fired
Bring him in as OC? I know raiders Fans were claiming he was some kind of offensive genius…
ChiefWarPaint - January 7, 2012 via mobile
Get him a top 10 QB within 3 years
… and there is no reason we shouldn’t be contenders for the title. Stay with an average at best QB and Romeo will be a miracle worker if we get a playoff win.
ilchiefsfan - January 7, 2012
I like this move
I think we should stay in house and make Zorn the next OC and give the DC spot to Eimmit Thomas. If he could make the secondary with sabby back there look decent, I say give him a shot with the whole defensive unit…
Kool TA - January 7, 2012
FOR THE RECORD...
i DO NOT HATE THIS HIRE!
Whereas I agree that the choices became limited QUICKLY, so did the rumors that it was a mere formality. I am just concerned that a DC turned HC will try and keep us a run always team! I have seen our team lead the NFL time after time with a superior running game. With that, GOOD teams shut down our running game in the playoffs and our team isn’t built to respond to it. This is my ONLY concern with Romeo! Will he find(and give control) to an OC that understands having a dynamic passing offense? We have NEVER learned this lesson! Will we now learn?
Jason Drue Keith - January 7, 2012
i think we learned that in the playoff game, and added Baldwin and Breaston to address it
Even with Orton or Cassel at QB, if you take this year’s team, add Charles, Berry, Moeaki, and shore up the trenches through the draft and free agency…that is a strong playoff contender.
PVChiefsfan - January 7, 2012
i think we learned that in the playoff game, and added Baldwin and Breaston to address it
Even with Orton or Cassel at QB, if you take this year’s team, add Charles, Berry, Moeaki, and shore up the trenches through the draft and free agency…that is a strong playoff contender.
PVChiefsfan - January 7, 2012
Sounds good
Romeo will still have a tight grip on coordination of the D. RAC must find a very solid OC to succeed.
ExRoyalsFan - January 7, 2012
I think this is a mistake
This is a lazy hire, who else did Pioli interview? Another bad decision by this organazation
saints_chiefsfan1979 - January 7, 2012
Fisher, Philbin and Del Rio that we know of.
Tarkus - January 7, 2012
that isn't very many to be throwing in the towel already
saints_chiefsfan1979 - January 7, 2012
Tarkus - January 7, 2012
wonder why nothing developed with fisher?
same reason we couldnt bring in a decent
OC under haley? hmm..
be cee - January 7, 2012
If we're going to get a defensive coach.
I’d much rather have RAC.
Tarkus - January 7, 2012
happy with RAC, for sure.
just wondering. more outside people not wanting anything to do with pioli, as was the case with haley.
be cee - January 9, 2012
jack harry reported....
Fisher didn’t want to come here because of the qb situation and because Hunt is cheap
saints_chiefsfan1979 - January 7, 2012
i woulda guessed
it was more about the qb situation and pioli being a know it all who really doesnt know much at all.
be cee - January 9, 2012
Fisher, Philbin and Del Rio that we know of.
I know that Regis just retired from being a talk show host, but I say its still too soon to promote him to OC.
Copperhead Road - January 7, 2012
not so fast?
Chiefs on Facebook stated they have not Announced or made any decisions for the head coach and have no press conferences scheduled to announce any head coach actions. Yeah they aren’t going to say they have but the fact nothing is coming out and they have disputed any head coach signing and no press conference scheduled seams to speak that maybe someone thought or spoke too soon and they in fact have not made my decision
KC Nate - January 7, 2012 via iPhone app
More mediocrity !!
I am done paying to watch the Chiefs play . I go to at least 1 or 2 games every year , this streak has ended . This goes to show that the KCM CHIEFS are just that Mediocre . They only care about filling the seats not winning championships. They should have done what ever it would have taken to get a proven big name coach. I will always support them but until they start caring about winning championships instead of just making it to the playoffs than i will not spend 27.00 for parking and the ticket prices. Well I am officially pissed off 24-40 if that does not SCREAM mediocre than i do not no what does . Ya who cares if it was with the browns . Crenel is a defensive coach not a head coach . THIS SUCKS
nltsaved - January 7, 2012
I assume you wanted Fisher
he’s the definition of mediocrity.
jmcgoblue - January 7, 2012
waaaaaaaaaah!!!
ExRoyalsFan - January 8, 2012
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