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The Kansas City Chiefs made the announcement official on Monday: Romeo Crennel is the new head coach.
But that was the boring part. We knew that would happen. The interesting part of Monday's press conference was the quarterback talk. Crennel didn't give away any secrets talking about Matt Cassel, Ricky Stanzi and free-agent-to-be Kyle Orton but his words were nevertheless interesting.
I've got a transcript of all the quarterback talk posted after the jump but one line from Crennel stood out to me: "Kyle did a tremendous job for us and I'm probably not sitting here if Kyle hadn't done the job that he did."
For no real reason, I've gotten the impression over the last few weeks that Crennel wants Orton back in KC and that line didn't do anything to stop me from thinking that. It's obviously way, way early in the process but I can already tell this will be the topic of conversation this offseason. Crennel also indicated that he feels the Chiefs could win with Cassel so I'm not really sure what to make of all this.
Here's a Q&A of all the quarterback talk from Crennel today:
Who will the quarterback be next year? "We have Matt and Stanzi under contract. Kyle is an unrestricted free agent. We have to go through that process of evaluating our team, our team needs and then go through the free agency process and see what happens there. The thing about free agency is, those unrestricted free agents, they have a choice. They can decide if they want to return or whether they want to go elsewhere. We can have a desire to potentially get a guy back but if that guy decides to go someplace else, there's nothing we can do about that. Right now we have Matt and Stanzi on the squad and we'll see what happens after this free agency."
Will Kyle Orton be back in 2012? "Kyle did a tremendous job for us and I'm probably not sitting here if Kyle hadn't done the job that he did. I'm very appreciative of that. I'm also appreciative of the fact that he is an unrestricted free agent and we have to go through the process. I would be unfair to him not to say that I appreciated what he did for me. I'm not going to say I didn't appreciate it but the situation is the situation. We have two quarterbacks under contract. He's not under contract. So we'll play it out and see what happens.
Can Matt Cassel win in Kansas City? "Matt Cassel has won here. We've been to a playoff with Matt Cassel. I don't think that Matt Cassel has fallen off the wagon overnight. I think he's a good talent. He's a good quarterback and he's taken us to a playoff. So I anticipate that he can do it again."
Can Cassel and Orton be on the same team? "That still has to be determined and a lot of that has to do with how Kyle feels because he's unrestricted. If he were under contract and we had both of them here I think it would be more of a dilemma for me than it is now. But he's unrestricted and he's not under contract so we'll have to see how the free agency thing pans out."
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Just me
That sounds like an endorsement of Cassel
Flowers24 - January 9, 2012
Really?
How?
The reaction I was reading earlier, having not been able to listen to the conference, made me think he’d wholesale endorsed Cassel. That’s not what I’m reading. I’m reading a guy who knows Kyle has options and who he has under contract. He even seemed to hint they were trying to re-sign Kyle!
C’mon guys!
bossmanham - January 9, 2012
I would tend to agree
Lanier63 - January 9, 2012
Agree.
And he hinted pretty strongly that he’d like to re-sign Kyle.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Agree to Brsrkr, Lanier63, and bossmanham
jcrunninwild - January 9, 2012
Wow.
I guess people see what they want to see.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Sounds way more non-committal than me
he’s not going to throw him under the bus to either a. diminish any potential trade value or b. destroy the confidence of a starting QB he may be stuck with
golfbard - January 9, 2012
Yep.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
true enough
Bigcherokeechief - January 9, 2012
agreed
he’s being very PC.
aFan4Life - January 9, 2012
That's how I read it too
Although he kinda hedged his bets.
RoyalsRetro - January 9, 2012
He called him a "good" QB--
Not a great QB. I don’t see a lot of love for Cassel in that statement. But then, that may be wishful thinking, since I hate the idea of Cassel being our starter next year.
midcalchief - January 9, 2012
Jamie Dukes said it best IMO
“KC needs a franchise QB….we have two very servicable back ups here in KC”….if we keep one, i think it has to be Orton, IF he will sign….if not, drop matt too and find someone else…
KCinAZ - January 9, 2012
Ok we know that so did he provide any solutions?
golfbard - January 9, 2012
he said the solution is to GET a STARTING QB
whether it be through trade or through the draft. But basically this team will not go too far with the 2 backup QB we have on the roster right now…
KCinAZ - January 9, 2012
Who are the two backups on the roster?
Stanzi and Palko?
Stanzi and Cassel?
Orton is an unrestricted free agent.
neiowakcfan - January 9, 2012
Why drop Matt?
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
My answer for that is, has his (Matt) lost the players belief in him and if so, he's gotta go.
Kyle may have shown them in the GB game that there is other QB’s who could fit in here well.
dubld - January 9, 2012
I'd like to keep Cassel until we get two QBs who are better.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
This.
We’ve already got Matt under contract and as much as I don’t think he’s a long-term solution, he has been to the pro bowl and been part of securing HFA for the playoffs last year. His attitude is also much better suited to mentoring a young replacement QB or simply being a quality QB2, because that’s where he has the most experience.
I highly doubt Stanzi is better, at this point in his career, than Cassel. He’s a 5th round project that has potential but is nowhere near ready to be thrown to the wolves. Orton’s going to want a longer-term contract than I think Pioli is comfortable giving him and will request more money than Hunt is willing to shell out considering he’s only a marginal upgrade over Cassel at best (imo, he is Cassel, just ~5 years in the future, once he’s seen every defensive read thrown his way).
Best option is to find a way to trade up with STL or TB to take Griffin and then let him sit behind Cassel until he’s good and ready to play. Then unleash him on the NFL with Jamaal, Dex, Moeaki, Bowe, and Breaston/Baldwin, shit would get crazy.
JHWK - January 9, 2012
Matt Cassel seriously
I love how a few people talk of Matt the Pro bowler he only went there because one of the three qbs couldn’t make the trip wake up he sucks!
slap24 - January 10, 2012
Yeah! 27 TD’s and 7 int’s with only one decent WR on the whole team definitely sucks! Oh and we don’t want any more of that being the leader who took us to the playoffs either! I think we’ve all had too much of that already.
KCMikeG - January 10, 2012
Watch out! Your post makes sense and is quite logical.
That’s not appreciated around here at AP; you have to be myopic and put all the glory or all the blame on ONE player.
And oh, how AP loves to shit on MC.
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
$10 million /year backup? Hmmm....
Ole_Miss_Guy - January 9, 2012
No.
Making up numbers?
Per Rotoworld:
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
such BS
Cassel is a competent starting NFL QB. For most of the teams in the league, that’s all they’ll ever have. Not ever team can have a Drew Brees or Peyton Manning. Why do so many Chiefs fans on here expect that somehow we’re going to win one of those sweepstakes?
Personally, I’d take Cassel over about 75% of the other starters in the league, but hey I’m not always bitching about not having a “franchise quarterback” whatever that means.
planb247 - January 9, 2012
Competent is about as complimentary as you can get with Cassel.
I agree the guy is not awful, but he’s not good either. This is coming from a fan who’s been a Cassel supporter since he’s been here, willing to give him 3 years to prove himself. I’ve seen enough, time to move on.
CapsLockKey - January 9, 2012
Drew Brees?
…interesting you should mention him. He was a FA with the Chargers a few years ago. NO was wise enough to sign him (we weren’t). See any similarities to one Kyle Orton?
Special K - January 9, 2012
No one wanted him because of injury problems
NO wasn’t “wise,” they were desperate and took a gamble on Brees coming back healthy. The gamble paid off huge but it was an equally huge risk from the get go.
JHWK - January 9, 2012
The attitude that...
not everyone can have a Drew Brees or Peyton Manning and the fear of drafting a bust has not gotten us a playoff win in nearly 20 years. If you look at the superbowl winners of the last 20 years, with the exception of Baltimore in 2001, they all have a “franchise quarterback.”
So if you’re looking for a definition of “franchise quarterback” I’d probably say it is : realistic chance of winning a superbowl.
If that guy isn’t on your team, you draft and develop until he is.
Streetcleaner - January 9, 2012
Big Ben stunk up the joint in his 1st SB and still won.
Less than 43% comp %, less than 170 passing, 0 TDs, 2 Ints….That is BAD QB play. How did that work out for the Steelers again (oh, that is right…they won the SB).
DivineGrace - January 10, 2012
They also had...
One of the best defenses of all time, as did Baltimore in 01’…and a couple of horrible calls by the refs.
Streetcleaner - January 10, 2012
not to mention
in that first SB win, Pittsburg had their best RB ever… jereome Bettis… yeah… you can be a QB and suck… if your RB is Bettis and is falling foward for 6 yards each run…
BlackDoom - January 10, 2012
Son of a bitch
More #7. FML.
SCKSChief - January 9, 2012
DIDO!
Jeremy Daniel - January 9, 2012
Dido? She's a cute girl and all, but what does she have to do with this?
TRSChief - January 9, 2012
who cares?
Mr.Pibbs - January 9, 2012
Jeremy Daniel
HTH.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
I'm not kicking that out of bed
Ren - January 9, 2012
Likely not
Hmmm….
SCKSChief - January 9, 2012
If only because ...
… she’d never be in your bed.
JacinB - January 9, 2012
haha
wwJamaalCharlesdo - January 9, 2012
ICK that's not glaring good news at all
Ren - January 9, 2012
i think orton gets re signed
2 year deal
niageriannit1 - January 9, 2012
possibly
If Orton can’t get what he wants from the other clubs needing a starting QB, he may indeed return to take a deal (low-balled) from Pioli.
It all depends if CLE gets their QB from the draft
if MIA signs Orton if not drafting a QB in the draft
We know Redskins gonna draft a QB fo-sure
Perhaps JAX signs Orton while they develop Gabbert
58 was my friend - January 9, 2012
I think he says no to JAX
he got enough of looking over his shoulder in Denver
KingChief - January 9, 2012
What is he supposed to say?
Cassel can’t get the job done and we will be looking for another QB? Nothing that Romeo said about Cassel makes me feel that Cassel is unequivocally his guy.
Bonofied - January 9, 2012
The converse is also not substantiated
Which makes me sad.
SCKSChief - January 9, 2012
Coachspeak is Coachspeak
The nature of the game, the HC can’t cause a lockerroom division on his first day in the job lol.
ChiefWarPaint - January 9, 2012
Yeah...meh
Why even report on it then, y’know?
SCKSChief - January 9, 2012
Well he got asked a question
Would be rude to not give some sort of answer.
ChiefWarPaint - January 9, 2012
LOL
The answer was rude to us. Being led around by the nose sucks.
SCKSChief - January 9, 2012
Meh were fans
Its how it’s been since kingdom come, were left in the dark so other teams don’t figure out what were doing.
ChiefWarPaint - January 9, 2012
Cover your mouth when you say that!
SCKSChief - January 9, 2012
well, don't get a nose ring then
neiowakcfan - January 9, 2012
Heh
The worst part is when you don’t even have one. Ever seen Goodfellas…?
SCKSChief - January 9, 2012
or Serpico?
neiowakcfan - January 9, 2012
Seriously how come everyone else thats watching #7 play realize on the first play that he doesnt have what it takes Except for the CHiefs Front office??
Im mean come on enough is enough.. I know some people dont like to admit when there wrong, but Pioli if you want to stay in KC you must admit your wrong and move on…..Please save Chief Nation!
Jeremy Daniel - January 9, 2012
He's not elite but he can be good enough. Good enough to make the Pro Bowl, right?
timmer - January 9, 2012
So wa Derek Anderson
Cassel pretty much won the “average QB” lottery with Bowe, Charles, Moeaki, and a schedule with some epically bad pass defenses for him to pad his stats.
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Holy shit...
If those were his padded stats we’re really screwed!
nmchief - January 9, 2012
Cassel isn
BlackDoom - January 10, 2012
Cassel isn't a Pro-bowler
He subbed into for somebody meaning his stats weren’t good enough for a pro-bowl invite, his stats were good enough for #4, not #3…
BlackDoom - January 10, 2012
NFL.com says he was a Pro Bowler.
Regardless how he got there, he was on the roster.
link
Brsrkr - January 10, 2012
Right
Yeah! 27 TD’s and 7 int’s with only one decent WR on the whole team definitely sucks! Oh and we don’t want any more of that being the leader who took us to the playoffs either! I think we’ve all had too much of that already.
KCMikeG - January 10, 2012
Well the unfortunate question here is
What other options do we have? I don’t see them. Unless we trade up in the draft or somehow get Peyton we pretty much have to roll with what’s available.
If that’s the case, it’s imperitive that we re-sign Orton. We’ve all hashed this out a couple thousand times, but he can get more done than Cassel.
The sad truth is that this team just isn’t in a position to significanty improve the QB position. Better add some beef this year and hope that chance comes up in the next season or two.
TheScootness - January 9, 2012
Good thing they won 2 of the last 3
otherwise, there would be a chance at a QB…an outside chance, but a chance none-the-less.
SCKSChief - January 9, 2012
What Scootness said
Sad as it is. It’s not like there are great QB’s hanging around unemployed somewhere.
Scott B. - January 9, 2012
Sure, KC is in a position to get a big-name QB. Depends on what we're willing to give up.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
...who needs to trade up?
Even guys like Tannehill, Foles or Weeden would be an improvement over what the Chiefs have. If I’m Clark Hunt who I’m sure knows that this fanbase is starving for some hope at QB, I tell Pioli to do whatever it takes to trade up and get Andrew Luck. If the Colts refuse to trade the pick (everything has a price) then move on to the next best thing and do whatever it takes to get RGIII from the Rams slot who should be more than willing to deal.
CapsLockKey - January 9, 2012
Ugh... I hope we get serious about our QB situation
These 2 guys a back ups! Yes they can start for mediocre to poor teams and seem like they are awesome, but if we ever want to go to the superbowl we need to get our own guy.
Spiderwomn69 - January 9, 2012
I don't think the Chiefs FO is joking around here.
Kyle Orton is more than a back up. He is a quality starter.
JayhawksNChiefs - January 9, 2012
In what league?
David Rice - January 9, 2012
Any league that has the Green Bay Packers in it.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
He is a Starter
for a team that wishes to stay mediocre.
Spiderwomn69 - January 9, 2012
I see differently.
And his addition to the Chiefs roster did not form my opinion. I told my friend before we walked into the Packers game, “we’re getting ready to see what a real NFL QB looks like in our offense.”
JayhawksNChiefs - January 9, 2012
Same.
I’ve always liked Orton, and was excited when the Chiefs picked him up.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Yup, he drove me crazy when he played against us.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
orton por favor...
SFLChief - January 9, 2012
Si
SCKSChief - January 9, 2012
I'm not sure we'd be doing ourselves any favors if we settle on Orton...
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
KO or MC
doesn’t matter much to me. Fix the Oline first
Bleedingredandgold - January 9, 2012
QB situation needs addressed now.
I see no reason to replace our RT with a 12 overall pick when there’s nothing worth protecting behind him.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Charles?
KSU-Chief - January 9, 2012
So we should get better blockers for our #1 run game?
Instead of the most important position in the NFL?
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
More running = less throws
less throws = less ints
less ints = better chance to win
His Royal Greatness - January 9, 2012
Sure, it worked against BAL in 2010...
Oh, wait…
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Bal was pathetic running the ball in 2010
They ran it at a clip of 3.8ypc… Wouldnt use them as an actual example of a running team…
KSU-Chief - January 9, 2012
I'm talking about the Chiefs playoff game in 2010...
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Yeah but Charles is the one who coughed up the ball for Baltimore to start there roll. But you know Casselll should of held JC's hand and make sure he didn't turn it over.
What is it with you guys, Cassell IS NOT our biggest concern. Line depth on both the Offense and Defensive sides of the ball must be built up; then you can trade the barn for your “Franchise QB”’
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
KC this year running.
Rusing Left Sideline- 5.6ypc
Rusing Left- 5.6ypc
Rusing Right Sideline- 3.7ypc
Rusing Right- 2.8ypc
Right side is a MAJOR issue. Do you really think there is a QB fix for our team out there right now?
KSU-Chief - January 9, 2012
So you're saying it was a big RUSE?
bossmanham - January 9, 2012
HUGE ruse
and I was amused
His Royal Greatness - January 9, 2012
Didnt you know
we couldnt run on people so we had to try and trick them :)
KSU-Chief - January 9, 2012
What? Isn't that BRich's side??
Who knew?
But I’ve been told run blocking isn’t his problem, it’s only pass-blocking. (guffaw)
Get a dang right tackle!
neiowakcfan - January 9, 2012
Can't be
His problem with run blocking is he doesn’t do it – at all. Never have I ever seen people just run right by untouched than I saw from him this year. Watch we will cut him and someone else will pick him up and he will be great ala Gaither or Wade.
KCMikeG - January 10, 2012
oops forgot the h in Rushing :)
KSU-Chief - January 9, 2012
Yeah. Without Charles... Seem to remember the Chiefs being crazy successful with him in 2010.
And I’m not arguing that the RT doesn’t need replaced. But I’ll be super pissed if Pioli uses a 12th overall to do it when we can get a decent RT either through FA or later in the draft.
RG3 would work wonders for this team, I think.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Dont forget that
Pioli called all spread QB’s garbage… Fans may like him but we dont count on draft day. I would be all for trading up to get him if he was there around 5 but anything higher than that would cost a BUNCH…
KSU-Chief - January 9, 2012
And he also "said" he'd never draft a safety with a 5th overall...
And for NYJ to move from 17th to 5th in 2009 (12 spots) they gave up a 1st, a 2nd and 3 mediocre players.
The Chiefs would need to move up 9 spots.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
If you think taking the best S to come out in 5-6 years
is the same as taking a system style QB… Also there is a HUGE difference moving up to the 2nd pick compated to the 5th. It is another 1st round pick in value..
KSU-Chief - January 9, 2012
Damn I have fat finger today
compared***
KSU-Chief - January 9, 2012
Yeah... that same "system style" QB is also a top 5 pick and the #2 QB on basically everyone's boeard.
And we’d only have to move up to the 3rd pick, not the 2nd. The Vikes spent a first on Ponder last year.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Cle/Was/Mia
are all thinking the same thing. Someone is trading up to the 2nd pick or going to be BLOWING up the phones in Min if he is on the board at 3. KC isnt the only team going to try and trade if Pioli wants him it is going to cost us our 1st and 2nd this year along with our 1st next year. That might not even be enough…
I just cant remember a spread QB that has amounted to anything in the NFL regardless of their rating in the draft. I think the guy is a hell of a player. Would I bet the farm on it? Nope and I dont think Pioli would either…
KSU-Chief - January 9, 2012
The spread has only been popular for a few years.
And spread teams don’t recruit pure system QBs anymore. It’s only a matter of time.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
According to ESPN
48 CFB teams run the spread or a version of the spread over 75% of the time. I know there are quite a few Big 12 teams that have run it for quite a few years. It seems like Hou, Purdue, Utah, BYU have run it for a long time… Some seem like longer than other but it seems like there have been quite a few early round QB’s
KSU-Chief - January 9, 2012
Only recently, though.
Maybe our definitions of “recent” are different….The spread was not popular among top 50 teams when Brady was drafted.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
What?
CLE/MIA/WAS won’t offer as much as KC will, because we’ll have to offer more to move that far. WAS won’t give up more than two firsts and a second or a first, second and a player, like KC will have to give up.
I’ve never seen teams trade a pick higher than they need to target their guy. They almost always trade into the pick right before who they think will take the player they want, which would be CLE.
Recent spread college QBs to be successful in the NFL (off the top of my head):
Joe Flacco
Sam Bradford
Jay Cutler
Cam Newton
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Your example
was the NYJ trading up to 5th. That was in front of Cin(Palmer), Oakland(Russell) Neither team was linked to taking a QB.
Bradford sucks, Flacco is only average(he has won games with D) Newton looks like a stud and Cutler would be a great QB if he didnt throw picks.
I know that Bradford is the closest to the style of spread Baylor runs, Newton ran more of a read option, I never watched Cutler or Flacco in college so I cant speak on the O’s they played in.
KSU-Chief - January 9, 2012
Palmer had a blown elbow, started 4 games in 2008 and his future was in serious question.
Joe Flacco was the 7th ranked passer this year, and 12th last year.
And I disagree about Bradford. He’s playing on a shitty team. HE has shown he has the tools to be effective, but isn’t getting much help from his OL or WRs.
Regardless, all 4 of those QBs have shown the ability to succeed at the NFL level. your entire argument was that “I just cant remember a spread QB that has amounted to anything in the NFL”. Obviously it’s not true.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
On the picks each team will have to trade
Of course KC would offer more. They have less value. That doesnt make it a shoe in. If you can get two 1st from a team would you rather have the 11th or the 6th. Would you rather trade with KC(who won the division in 2010 and won 7 games with massive injuries) or Was who sucks every year. Better money is on Was picking higher in 2013 than KC.
KSU-Chief - January 9, 2012
Honestly, I'd take
the Chiefs two firsts and a second to move up 9 spots instead of WAS 1st and 3rd and/or 4th to move up 2 spots.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
You think WAS would give up a first next year to move up 2 spots?
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
If they want a QB bad enough, yes
If we’re willing to give up a couple of firsts and seconds to move up 9, why wouldn’t they give up a first to move up 2?
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
I'm not sure WAS is going to want to compete with a team willing to trade up 9 spots.
But I guess you never know. If they’re that sold on him then it could happen I suppose.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
It absolutely could
The problem I have with the idea of trading up is it seems we assume other teams won’t value a franchise QB as much as we do.
IMO CLE will get RG3. Who’s gonna compete with an offer that includes 2 first rounders this year?
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
If we want to outbid, we'd have to offer a player or two that the Rams want and nobody else has.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Franchise and trade Bowe?
That and a 1st and 2nd may top almost any other offer, honestly.
Would you do it?
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
I'm glad I don't have to make that choice.
But, if we trade with the Rams, we do have a couple players they could really use (Bowe and Dorsey) and that shouldn’t kill us to lose.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Losing Dorsey could be very bad
If we don’t upgrade the NT position or Bailey doesn’t make strides against the run.
But I suppose having those two could certainly give us something no other teams have to offer (like a great WR)
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
I would honestly give this a shot
If Orton wants to be here sign him. You can trade Cassel or keep him it really doesnt matter as far as helping the team since he wouldnt get you more than a 4th at best.
Fix RT, backup RB, backup TE, more talent at S, maybe ILB but I think Siler and Belcher are what KC wants… If it doesnt work the 2013 NFL draft is looking pretty good at QB for depth.
KSU-Chief - January 9, 2012
It would be pretty great for us at this point if RG3 decided to go back to school.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
It would be awesome
nmchief - January 9, 2012
Drew Brees was a spread QB at Purdue
Maybe that’s why he was picked in the 2nd round too. And somehow he wasn’t good enough to play for the Chargers.
I’m thinking spread background is neither a qualifier or a disqualified. Just need to adjust the QB’s stats according to the system they played when you evaluate them.
acacia1602 - January 9, 2012
SD ejected Brees because he dislocated his arm backwards.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
And they had an elite QB waiting in the wings.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
I threw up a little in my mouth reading that
But I’ll admit he’s in the top 10. Just not the same league as Drew.
acacia1602 - January 9, 2012
Yes, this truth makes me smile.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
And for that matter, so was Orton
Since he started at Purdue after Brees.
acacia1602 - January 9, 2012
Trade the farm for Luck!
and you’re right. We can address RT in FA. There are at least 31 starting RT’s better than Richardson and probably a lot of backups. I have to believe some of them will be FA’s.
Chiefs447 - January 9, 2012
Luck
Chiefs447 - January 9, 2012
Reports say the Colts have already decided to draft him
You can’t MAKE a team trade with you
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Surely they have a price?
Maybe they’re just saying that to drive up the price?
Chiefs447 - January 9, 2012
Tomahawk, tell this guy what he can do with his dreams.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
You're just jealous of my dreams
Chiefs447 - January 9, 2012
........
true :(
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Of course they are going to say they will draft Luck
It drives up the asking price. If they say they aren’t going to draft him, then everyone is calling up the Rams to make a deal.
CapsLockKey - January 9, 2012
Or, the most obvious answer...
They know what a franchise QB does for a team, and realize how lucky they’ve gotten to get one as theirs is aging.
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
or another obvious answer
is Manning gets a clean bill of health and they already have a franchise QB for the next 3 or so years. The bounty of picks/players they can acquire from trading could set them up for another Superbowl run and establish a solid core for the future. Hell they could even grab a guy in the 2nd or 3rd to groom behind Manning for the next couple years. Just look at what the Chargers pulled off from the Vick trade. They landed a HoF RB AND a HoF QB in the same draft.
CapsLockKey - January 9, 2012
So we're just so darn lucky that the Colts value a long term franchise QB less than we do?
I just don’t see it. But hey, who knows?
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Of course those numbers are based on
some pretty ho-hum guys running with the football. Charles will be back next year.
CapsLockKey - January 9, 2012
Charles is a great back.
Dexter has speed and he had a hard time gaining yards this year. We need an o line that can open holes for anybody not just one back.
rdlvegas85 - January 9, 2012
When did 4.5 YPC start to become an indication
That a RB had a hard time gaining yards?
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Yeah...
Our 3rd string RB was also grinding out 4.0 ypc.
But yeah…I guess the OL and run game is more important than QB.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
When you compare it to 6.4 YPC.
Jeez, I just looked at Charles’ stats…do you realize that he had 6.9 YPC in his 12 attempts this year? I wonder what he was headed toward :(
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
We're spoiled.
Now ypc over 4 isn’t good enough anymore.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
That's why I believe our team is very close
Losing him and Berry was devastating and we still won 7 games. That ain’t bad, all things considered.
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Not at all.
We won about as many games as most naysayers were predicting.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Exactly
Which is very, very impressive.
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Without
Without all the injuries and the HC change.
KCMikeG - January 10, 2012
The pass opened up the run.
when we needed 1 yard we couldn’t get it. IMO we couldn’t run when we had to.
rdlvegas85 - January 9, 2012
LMAO.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Beat me to it.
Vegas, our passing S U C K E D this year. It wouldn’t have opened up a tin can.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
You mean our 30th ranked pass didn't open up the #1 run game?
Are you sure?!?!
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Well, I'm just a fan, so I don't know much.
But, yeah I’m sure.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Do you understand play calling?
You call plays even if they don’t work to make another play work.If we did run, run, run, and than punt, we did not do good with the run.
Your looking at the stats for the whole year, Where do we rank on passing offense for the last 7 games, your giving stats for the whole year. The first half of the year we sucked.
I hate to tell you this stats don’t tell the whole truth.
rdlvegas85 - January 9, 2012
I was talking about 2010.
Cassel didn’t open the run for Jamaal by passing the ball. If anything it was the other way around.
And as for this year, the offense as a whole sucked ass, however, the running game was about the only thing that even remotely worked right for the first 13 or 14 games. Neither Palko nor Cassel were doing the RBs any favors.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Yeah, a lot of coaching staffs were on the sideline saying...
“All right D! Let’s watch out for Matt Cassel and that devastating air attack, even though it hasn’t done much all day! Let’s focus on the pass, even though we’ve stopped it! Wait, they RAN! I am so surprised at this turn of events!”
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
That's what Pittsburg said yesterday..
How’d that work out for them.
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
How does DEN running to set up the pass
Prove that in 2010 we passed to set up the run?
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
The last 6 or 7 games the passing game look good.
We didn’t have a running game to finish in the red zone or pick up short yardage when we needed to. Orton threw for almost 300 yards in two games. Palko just coudn’t throw the ball long, he could throw short.
The first half of the season the play calling sucked and we didn’t have any kind of offense.
rdlvegas85 - January 9, 2012
Muir did not create a new offensive game plan after Haley left.
The plays being called for Orton were the same plays being called for Cassel.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
I saw run, run, pass for Cassel.
I saw balanced play calling for orton, a good mix of run and pass.
rdlvegas85 - January 9, 2012
OK, percentage of pass plays:
Cassel era (first 8 games): 50.54%
Palko era (games 9-12): 52.23%
Orton era (last 3 games): 49.23%
Looks to me like the same offense was being called throughout.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Wrong!
The play book WAS changed. It was extremely simplified. Players will tell you then loved how Romeo cleaned the crap out of the offense.
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
You keep saying what players would say. Are you a player?
What I remember hearing about Romeo’s change was that he allocated more time to film study, not that he changed the offense.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Also immediately made Palko #3 on the depth chart.
Only because they weren’t carrying 4 QBs.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
That might have had a tad bit to do with it.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
No, not a player
And I am not a mind reader. I am also not a Bull shitter. Take all of those away and come to a conclusion.
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
Players on offense...
will tell you what I said above. They loved how Romeo simplified everything. Even offensive game planning.
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
In short
The offensive players like Romeo as much as the D guys do. That’s a good thing. They respect the hell out of him.
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
You are reading minds again.
Or bullshitting. Yeah, I think bull shitter is gonna be my conclusion.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Sorry Brsrkr
Some people know more about what goes on than you do. Sorry you would rather dis it than try to learn more. Your not my boss, my wife (who is my boss), and have no impact on my income. In short, why would I give a shit who believes me. I simply try to add a perspective to AP that few people have. Accept it or reject it Brother. No harm here.
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
You get insistent on your opinions, people are gonna call you on it.
I haven’t tried to tell you anything. I’ve questioned where you’re getting your information.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
And I told you
From players.
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
Players wouldn't have all the info you're claiming to know.
bossmanham - January 9, 2012
Well here they may.
But not everything.
bossmanham - January 9, 2012
What Are you Talking About?
Than who would?
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
Do you work at Arrowhead?
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
So, to be clear...
You have inside sources. Is that what you’re saying? (just to clarify)
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Honest question, man.
You just came on here and started saying stuff. Never said where you got it, and there’s nothing in your profile.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
No I don't work at Arrowhead
I’m just close with some players who give me some scoop every now and then. I am nothing more than a long time Chief fan whose made some close friends with guys on the team. I can’t share much out of confidence but am given a unique perspective on what goes on. Here’s the good news. Despite all the crap this year, the team is tight, they like each other and now trust their coach. And believe me, like you, I have spent the better part of the last 22 years (when I moved to KC) following every move of my beloved Chiefs. So while some people call me an unrealistic apologists, it’s only because I have been given the chance to hear how tough it was for the players this year. Their belief in each other held the team together. And will do so again next year.
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
Perhaps you're too close to some of the players?
Such that it clouds your judgment? Cassel isn’t the answer dude, and this is from a guy who was all for him. He was awful in every game. I dreaded every time he stepped on the field because I knew it was most likely a 3 and out.
I wanted the guy to succeed a lot. But he’s shown us what he is and I’m done with it. I will be very disappointed if he’s the starter next year, and I am aware that I will be disappointed.
Yeah, Haley was screwing up. But that doesn’t change the fact that the players still have to FREAKING PERFORM!
Cassel has shown he can’t.
bossmanham - January 9, 2012
I HOPE you are the most dissapointed fan next year.
That is until we go 5 & 0 to start the season and the “horrible and terrible” Matt Cassel is our starter.
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
The last 6 or 7 games the passing looked good?
Dude, that would include the 4 games that Palko started that ultimately lead to the end of Haley’s career in KC.
Palko was the worst QB to take a snap for the Chiefs in like 10 years. The passing game was ATROCIOUS.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
We scored 2 TDs in 4 games during that stretch...
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
When you need 1 yard
you don’t run sweeps to the right side. That’s an interior problem, not RT. Weigmann fortunately will retire and hopefully Hudson upgrades that spot. You don’t draft guards and centers in the first round, and it’s a lot easier to find those guys in free agency as well. Chiefs had a guy named Wade Smith who’s doing pretty well in Houston right now.
CapsLockKey - January 9, 2012
Thank you.
No front line, no Super Bowl homeslices.
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
if it's Orton or Cassel...
I’ll take Orton all day long…
Cassel Blows…
SFLChief - January 9, 2012
I'll say it again
Elway must not be able to judge QB talent. He knows nothing about the position. Otherwise he would have kept AP’s love child Kyle Orton on the team.
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
He sent Orton to KC?
Weird, I thought he released him with the idea he’d sign with the Bears.
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Did you see how suprised Elway was when Tebow actually won games...
elway tried tanking the season to get Luck or RGIII, but it back fired…
SFLChief - January 10, 2012
Say it until you're blue in the face . . .
But you don’t know what you’re talking about. The Broncos let Kyle go because Kyle wanted to be let go. It was Kyle’s idea because he knew he could start somewhere else. Elway simply accommodated him.
AZDynamics - January 10, 2012
We would be lucky
to “settle” on Orton.
JayhawksNChiefs - January 9, 2012
Stanzi
GaryfromIA - January 9, 2012
New that was coming
Bigcherokeechief - January 9, 2012
haha
yep, sorry. I’ll be quite now.
GaryfromIA - January 9, 2012
oops,
quiet*
GaryfromIA - January 9, 2012
Watching the P.C., I sort of got the impression that Romeo was reaching out to Orton through the media.
Fully recognizing that he is a UFA, he knows that emotions are going to play a huge part in this process for Orton. He will go somewhere that not only pays, but makes him feel COMFORTABLE. He’s been tossed around like a ragdoll in his career, despite having moderate success against stacked odds.
I think we make a hard run at him. The fact that Romeo’s so damn lovable can’t hurt.
Chris Sembower - January 9, 2012
And we can debate the Cassel v Orton situation ad nauseum,
but the fact of the matter is that Kyle Orton’s arm creates more space for Jamaal Charles. If all other things are equal (that is debatable), this matters to me.
Chris Sembower - January 9, 2012
That should be the deciding factor
They need to be trying their damnedest to retain Orton, imo. I don’t see another option either, other than trading the farm to move up.
ArrowSpread - January 9, 2012
Yeah I agree. This really is their best move at this point. It's not like Pioli isn't willing to pay for a QB.
And it’s becoming arguable that this team is one of those “just a QB away” kinds of teams.
If it’s true that Scott Pioli has ‘musts, needs, and wants’ going into the offseason, a QB better be on his list of Musts, and we better dive deep into the needs & wants as well, in my opinion.
He’s on the verge of a revolt with this QB situation. If he thinks Cassel is the guy going into next year again, then fine (i know many don’t share that sentiment). But our number two better be a guy that a lot of people are excited about.
Chris Sembower - January 9, 2012
Would you not trade the farm for Luck?
I would.
Chiefs447 - January 9, 2012
Indy will not take the trade so it doesn't matter
Bigcherokeechief - January 9, 2012
Why wouldn't they?
It would solve their dilemma with Peyton. Plus, everyone has a price.
Chiefs447 - January 9, 2012
Their dilemma with Peyton is that he's old, damaged and expensive.
Their solution would be to get the best backup/replacement QB they can.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
So what are they going to do with him?
Cut him? Pay both of them?
Chiefs447 - January 9, 2012
Pay both of them, is what I'm sure they'd prefer.
Luck will be about half as expensive as Bradford with the new rookie salary slotting.
It’ll really be up to Manning if he wants to stay, according to what I’m hearing. If he wants to make a deal in Indy, he’ll move his bonus date back. If not, then I’m not sure Indy can afford him even if they DON’T draft Luck.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Luck will cost them about $17 or 18M next year.
That’s a lot for a backup, when your starter is one of the highest paid players in the league.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
So you don't think they should draft Luck?
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Yes.
I think Manning will be released, Brian Waters-style.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
If it was between the two of them, then I'd take Luck.
Indy’s gonna be re-building anyway.
I think it really depends on where The Manning Corporation wants to go. Stranger things have happened than Manning giving a home town discount.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
I think firing Polian
set up the organization for a fresh start. I think it will be a “mutual decision,” ala Brian Waters.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
I read, I believe, on here that he can't move his bonus date back.
They either have to pay him or cut him.
Chiefs447 - January 9, 2012
Huh, Ok, I'll take your word for it unless I hear different.
Just seems like I heard ESPN mention something about moving his bonus date.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
I've heard the new CBA precludes that.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
From Andrew Brandt
Here’s the link to the AP fanshot
Chiefs447 - January 9, 2012
Just found on PFT:
link
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Well I guess we have conflicting reports then.
I like the one I found better though :)
Chiefs447 - January 9, 2012
just to get beaten by weeden?
Chiefshero - January 9, 2012
Just imagine the play action pass with Jamaal Charles on the field...
That is enough to get great separation… then open up the running lanes for Jamaal when we do go run.
ravenhawk - January 9, 2012
Good points chris
I think this is a good situation for Orton. He faced all kinds of hatred from the fans in Denver and I believe they turned on him in Chicago too before he was traded.
Here he will have support that he may not have seen before. He gave us the GB win so he’s off to a good start in the fans’ eyes. Also, we’re so sick of Cassel and Palko that even he looks good in comparison.
Maybe this could be one of those situations where a journeyman player finally finds a place that he can excel. A quick example that comes to mind is Jason Babin.
TheScootness - January 9, 2012
I think Babin's a great example of what you are talking about.
That situation always made me kind of laugh… The year he played for us we set the record for fewest sacks in a single year, and the guy played for like two games and recorded one of like thirteen sacks or whatever it was, and still got overlooked going into the offseason. It’s just funny how things shake out.
Chris Sembower - January 9, 2012
Hey, Lenny Dawson went around the block with Pittsburg and Cleveland before becoming a Chief. Sometimes it's the right situation and, AND Mmaturation.
dubld - January 9, 2012
He's never really been in a situation
where he’s unequivocally the guy. I think he’d have that opportunity in KC.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
If he were smart he'd take the job if it were offered to him.
If he’s looking for support, he won’t find a warmer, more welcoming fanbase than this one.
It’s been QB-droughtin’ here since Lenny was cool. We’re thirsty.
Chris Sembower - January 9, 2012
Send Orton a Posterized! Bribe him!
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Haha
Posterized: Kyle Orton consumes an entire bucket of moonshine before demolishing the packers’ undefeated season hopes.
You know that it takes you 4 pages on google images to find your first image of kyle orton doing anything other than his frat boy impression?
kind of funny.
Boom!
Upon further inspection… that Jack Daniels bottle is always suspiciously facing the camera… Some damn fine product placement by our new quarterback under some pretty gritty circumstances. The suits should be proud.
Chris Sembower - January 10, 2012
Orton looks like a different version of "that one creepy guy" in every single one of these shots.
The guy’s got a range. No typecasting for Mr. Orton, that’s for sure
Chris Sembower - January 10, 2012
Orton has 1 TD (in a game we lost) and 2 interceptions (one of which COST us the game).
Orton has done 2 things in his time in KC…
Jack
and
Sh!T
Looking at these picks….he drank all the Jack. Send his a$$ packin
DivineGrace - January 10, 2012
Glad to see your posting has improved . . .
AZDynamics - January 10, 2012
LMFAO!!!!
Warmer, more welcoming fanbase?!!! Yeah, sure, until he throws his seventh pick by the third game. Then our “Warm and Welcoming” fanbase will turn on him like a pack of rabid, starving wolves.
Remebr, Orton has a high pick rate; just an FYI.
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
It's about 1.5% higher than Cassel's.
Brsrkr - January 10, 2012
mmmk... well who are these other fanbases that make it on the list before us?
if the eagles are on the other end of the list… who’s above the Chiefs?
i didn’t say that a hundred percent of the fanbase would welcome you with open arms. but lets be honest. if there is such thing as a “gentle” fanbase, we’re it. Just ask anyone in the Chiefs front office. Ask them if they’d rather move their PR department to new york, texas, california, just to name a few.
Also, I understand Orton’s pick rate. I, personally, would take the stronger armed and more well poised QB (especially with JC back there) than the “game manager” that has problem with throws beneath twenty yards. Not saying Orton is a perfect candidate. I’m saying he is probably the best option we have, and that he probably won’t find a more accepting fanbase than ours. I’m curious to see who’s you think is more welcoming.
Chris Sembower - January 10, 2012
"unequivocally"
OK, I have herd this word more today then EVER. I have used it myself in the past but never ever have I herd it used so many times in 1 day. Did somebody start a new word of the day thing or is there an ongoing side bet about how many times unequivocally can be used today????
BDCinSA - January 9, 2012
Unequivically, "Unequivocally" is the word of the day.
bossmanham - January 9, 2012
News of the day
from the Department of Redundancy Department
His Royal Greatness - January 9, 2012
The unequivocal Department of Redundancy Department?
bossmanham - January 9, 2012
That is a definite possibility
His Royal Greatness - January 9, 2012
Unequivocally
misterbrain - January 9, 2012
Yeah
Supposeably.
cucuybird - January 9, 2012
Another words,
a cool word, irregardless.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Oh no, you didn't
acacia1602 - January 9, 2012
Couldn't have said it any better...
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Only one question:
What does “unequivically” mean?
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Without equivocation.
Very clear. No doubts. Etc.
bossmanham - January 9, 2012
Oh... you mean unequivocally?
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Now, what does that mean?
Mr.Pibbs - January 9, 2012
It means you all should get back to work :)
Chris Sembower - January 9, 2012
Well, what does that mean?
TRSChief - January 9, 2012
I don't know, I used to hear it a lot when I doodled.
Turns out I was right :P
Chris Sembower - January 9, 2012
Sorry, you're not speaking my language.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Ha, yeah I bet there's a bunch of people on here that no hablo de trabajo
slackers :)
Chris Sembower - January 9, 2012
Yeah, well eltacoburger to you dose.
Mr.Pibbs - January 9, 2012
There's the spanglish I am used to.
I had to use a free translator for what I wrote above. I’m pathetic. My high school spanish teacher would be ashamed of me.
Chris Sembower - January 9, 2012
Hey, I was impressed!
Mr.Pibbs - January 9, 2012
This:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unequivocally
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Rich Gannon comes to mind for me
Bonofied - January 9, 2012
Yep, definitely throwing Orton some love.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
how to solve the cassel Vs. Orton ordeal
i know for sure, the last 3 years when Cassel dropped back to pass he made me nervous… always looking at just 1 WR then checkdown, his footwork was horrible and looked like he could trip over his own feet at any time when dropping back, on top of that his awareness drops drastically when he feels pressure, and also his arm wasn’t that good on the deep ball.. During Orton’s first game against GB i didn’t get the feeling of any of that… also most of you on AP agreed saying that Cassel made you nervous when he drops back… also, how many backside shoulder passes did cassel throw?? none he always threw it in front of them or way behind or way over the head… Orton hits his WR in stride, cassel does not… that right there should prove that Orton is a better QB than Cassel… ALL of that Cassel should already know how to do because he sat behind Brady for a few years…
BlackDoom - January 10, 2012
it would be crazy not to sign orton
pioli swallow your ego and sign orton
niageriannit1 - January 9, 2012
I think it is more about Orton than Pioli at this point...
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
its ALWAYS about Piolislackator - January 9, 2012
Because he's the dark Sith lord.
bossmanham - January 9, 2012
for realzbossmanham - January 9, 2012
yes sir
Bigcherokeechief - January 9, 2012
Bad move-signed John Elway
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
Did John Elway tell you how much
he loves Tebow? Did John Elway sign Tebow?
I’m guessing “no” on the first, and know it’s NO on the second.
neiowakcfan - January 9, 2012
I got the impression that Romeo hopes Orton is brought back.
The whole thing with Cassel sounded like him simply backing the incumbent because he has to, since that guy is on the roster. He’s obviously not going to throw him under the bus.
Perfect world: cut Cassel, sign Orton, draft someone. Orton, Stanzi, draft pick.
Super perfect world: That someone is RG3 miraculously falling to 11. Not going to happen, I know.
m.yashi - January 9, 2012
More perfect world
Trade Cassel for a high pick because someone’s front office is in love with him, and RG3 falls in our lap.
TRSChief - January 9, 2012
McD?
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
I doubt the Pats want Cassel back.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
But does McD?
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
I doubt McD can boss Belichick around.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Can I dream, please?
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
I doubt it :)
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
How mean.
I’m going to think of unicorns now.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
insert random gif here
Buck'O - January 9, 2012
Please!
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
yeah and pioli sitting next to him in the interview
sign orton up please
niageriannit1 - January 9, 2012
The other thing is...
You have to figure Pioli would not have brought in a figure like Orton with absolutely no intention of possibly re-signing the guy if things went well. Things DID go pretty well, so I’d be shocked if he isn’t at least speaking with Orton’s agent.
m.yashi - January 9, 2012
Can Pioli start negotiating with Orton now, or is there a certain timeframe that he has to follow?
Mr.Pibbs - January 9, 2012
Now.
Since he’s still on the team.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
That's what I thought, but was not sure... Thanks!
Mr.Pibbs - January 9, 2012
I believe Orton is better than advertized
As a QB you usually get the biggest part of the blame for a TEAMS bad play….Chicago and Denver were bad teams…
Through 10 games last year, he was on pace with Brees and others to break Marinos record…his number one reciever,Brandon Lloyd, lead the league with 1700+ yards lst year…
If you give him an offseason, Jamal Charles, and sure up his O Line a little, he will put up good numbers….you add in a top 10 defense that we already have, and i think we win the division NO PROBLEM next year and go to the playoffs….
That being said, if we can push for Manning, if healthy, OR push for Flynn, id be even happier…however, I do not want to hand over the reins toa rookie….too much talent and potential to have to go through a rookie QBs growing pains….let them learn for a year at least…take our chances with a veteran next year
KCinAZ - January 9, 2012
Yup.
We’re so very close to winning this division hand’s down. You bring in a rookie and you’re waiting another couple years at least while this core of players we have in their prime get older.
ArrowSpread - January 9, 2012
I agree.
Honestly, if the Cassel situation hadn’t worked out as badly as it did, I wouldn’t even have been against bringing in Matt Flynn.
KeepItCopacetic - January 9, 2012
Yeah 10 & 6 and a home playoff game is such a bad turn of events.
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
True
With some fixing of the o-line and a solid OC, along with the returning players, this could be the best team that Orton has ever played on. Obviously, we’d all like to roll with someone better (or potentially better) but with him being the only option, it’s possible he makes this team dangerous.
TheScootness - January 9, 2012
wait I'm confused
if your team sucks—the QB is to be blamed
if your team wins—does the QB deserve any benefit?
Chiefshero - January 9, 2012
No It's Pioli - only he gets praise
Ren - January 9, 2012
you ARE confused
KCinAZ - January 9, 2012
Why Flynn? The guy had an awesome game against Detroit, but Detroits passing defense pretty much sucked.
He played with a complete team and there isn’t much tape on him for defenses to prepare against.
Just because he had one good game doesn’t mean he is a stud. Seems like a stupid, stupid trade for the Chiefs.
manofnothi - January 9, 2012
Single game NFL rookie records
Not to mention GB single game passing and TD record. That’s pretty impressive.
Ole_Miss_Guy - January 9, 2012
I'd trade the whole draft for Luck and next year's 1st if that's what it takes
This team is close. We need to get the QBTF right now while we’re close enough to do so. We’d be contenders for the next 15 years.
Chiefs447 - January 9, 2012
And when you offer that and the Colts say, "NO!"
Then what?
Luck is a pipe dream.
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Well I might throw more at it
And if that doesn’t stick, then at least we tried. This team won 7 games with all the drama we had this year (inlcuding but not limited to, injured players, 0-3 start, Tyler Palko. Hell, we fired our HC and almost made the playoffs! Who does that??.) You get Luck with Charles, Berry, and Moeaki back? Plus whatever we get in FA and future drafts, we’d be set for a LONG time.
I’m not saying they’d do it, I’m just saying I would at least try.
Chiefs447 - January 9, 2012
Oh and if nothing sticks, I think I'd go with Orton, if he's willing.
Not sure there are any other options. Maybe RGIII but I wouldn’t trade near as much to get him.
Chiefs447 - January 9, 2012
So what do you want to do with the QB position?
Chiefs447 - January 9, 2012
Make a call to IND and ask if they're taking offers
Then try and trade for RG3.
If either of those is costing us too much, then re-sign orton
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
My thinking is
Pioli pulls Mike Ditka and trades up to #2 for RG3
:)
just saying
58 was my friend - January 9, 2012
Just as long
As it doesn’t take RG3 going to another team before he can be productive.
Like Ricky did to Ditka….
popejoeii - January 9, 2012
Ricky was plenty productive in NO
just the rest of the team wasn’t. He had 1700+ yards from scrimmage the year before he was traded.
CapsLockKey - January 9, 2012
Just as long
As it doesn’t take RG3 going to another team before he can be productive.
Like Ricky did to Ditka….
popejoeii - January 9, 2012
I think he should just nut up and go for Luck.
Chiefs447 - January 9, 2012
I don't understand the "Crennel is a yes man" talk I'm already hearing. Even Joel tweeted something about it having a Haley press conference feel.
Perhaps. I didn’t get to listen. But WTF do people want him to do, criticize and/or contradict his boss on his first day in his new job? Come on!!!
We fans can get silly sometimes.
bossmanham - January 9, 2012
People are pissed
that Pioli didn’t hire someone who wanted to do his job.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
How do you get that idea?
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
By people calling Crennel a puppet and a yes man.
He’s being hired to coach, not to be in charge of personnel.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Yes sir
Bigcherokeechief - January 9, 2012
He will have his say on personnel matters... hopefully. No coach needs to be force fed bad pieces.
It is probably a combination of everything that everyone is spouting off about.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
I'm sure he will.
Pioli will listen to him just like he listens to all his scouts. Ultimately it’s his decision and his responsibility, but that doesn’t mean he makes all his decisions in a vacuum, as some around here seem to believe.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
If we are to believe what we are spoon fed...
everything is kind of a group decision, that can be vetoed by the leaders, but they want to agree as much as possible.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
Sounds very political.
Mr.Pibbs - January 9, 2012
Orton will NOT be a Chief in 2012
What part of UFA is hard to understand? Crennel, Pioli, and Hunt have zero power in the decision. Money isn’t going to make this deal happen. Why you ask?
1. Cassel and Orton are good friends
2. Cassel and Orton have the same agency representing them
3. Cassel and Orton both believe they are starting QB’s
4. Orton has clearly said he does not expect to be back in KC with Cassel on the roster
Only 2 scenario’s get Kyle Orton back to KC next year: Either Cassel’s injury fails to heal correctly or Cassel gets traded to another NFL team with a certain probability of becoming their starting QB.
Problem A – Cassel seems to be healing fine
Problem B – I can’t think of a single team in the NFL willing to give Cassel a legitimate shot at becoming their starting QB.
As much as we all know that Kyle Orton would be a better option for our roster, I see no chance of it happening. Y’all can bitch and moan about Pioli and Hunt not “getting a deal done”, but think about it…how much $$$ would you take from your employer in a deal that would guarantee your best friend gets fired?
RrustyDawg - January 9, 2012
Unfortunately thats the most realistic look at this situation
Ren - January 9, 2012
You may be right. However, devil's advocate:
1. Friends understand business.
2. I bet you a lot of players who have been bumped for one another have the same agency representing them.
3. So do John Beck and Rex Grossman.
4. He didn’t say that. He said he considers it Matt’s team, but that he’ll see where things lead.
On problem B – I’ll bet several teams who will miss out on a QB in the draft will take a guy who has started games and won them.
bossmanham - January 9, 2012
What was orton supposed to say?
“Yeah, Matt’s great and all but this is my team now.” He’s a classy guy who doesn’t know where FA will lead him so he’s keeping his options open. The fact is nothing anyone says right now is important. Albert Pujols said he wanted to stay in St. Louis and it wasn’t about the money.
just a guy - January 9, 2012 via mobile
What was orton supposed to say?
“Yeah, Matt’s great and all but this is my team now.” He’s a classy guy who doesn’t know where FA will lead him so he’s keeping his options open. The fact is nothing anyone says right now is important. Albert Pujols said he wanted to stay in St. Louis and it wasn’t about the money.
just a guy - January 9, 2012 via mobile
oops
just a guy - January 9, 2012 via mobile
Best friend?
TRSChief - January 9, 2012
yeah, I chuckled at that
he went from “good friend” to “best friend” by the end of the post…
neiowakcfan - January 9, 2012
In the followup post, Cassel and Orton spend a weekend up on Brokeback Mountain
TRSChief - January 9, 2012
Tebow would bust that meeting up.
Bigcherokeechief - January 9, 2012
Now that's funny right there!
RrustyDawg - January 9, 2012
Yes there was a shift between those 2 sentences and it was deliberate
Matt and Kyle are definitely not “best friends” which is why I used the term “good friends” to describe their relationship as I understand it.
At the end, I was posing a question to place some of the situation into personal terms so that the reader would understand that there is another dynamic involved in signing Orton back to the Chiefs that other posters seemed to miss. In most wok situations, occasional backstabbing happens and everyone just moves on. To get your emotions more involved in the question posed, I thought balancing $$$ against friendship worked better if it involved your best friend.
RrustyDawg - January 9, 2012
In Orton's "goodbye" presser, it did seem to me like he put some weight on not wanting to take Cassel's job.
That’s really what I think would be the biggest stumbling block to hiring him.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
That
or he really thought this is Cassel’s team, something that Pioli could make clear to him is not the case.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Or
Kyle really wants to go back to Chicago, because he has so much better of a chance of beating out Cutler for the starting job…
wait, what?
neiowakcfan - January 10, 2012
I think Matts gets traded the first day of free agency possibly to Washington for a 3rd with the chance for it to move up to a 2nd if they make the playoffs with Matt. We then sign Orton to a 3 year deal the same as Romeo's with lots of incentives
but we let him know hes the guy
Willie Beamon - January 9, 2012
If we can trade Matt Cassel for a free box of kittens I will be impressed.
If the Chiefs can trade
himMatt Cassel for a third round pick… wait a minute, that will never happen. Never.Why would they give up so much for Matt, Willie?
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
Kevin Kolb.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
First off
Arizona is retarded…
Secondly, Kevin Kolb still had a perceived value last season.
Are teams going to look at Matt Cassel’s game film from this season and see any third round pick value?
Buffalo game? NO
Detroit game? NO
San Diego game? Not with the worst throw in Chiefs history…
Minnesota game? Meh…
Indy game? Good second half against a terrible defense.
Matt Cassel just wasn’t good this year. His value is less than nil.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
Did the Vikings see anything from Mcnabb
with the Redskins to trade a 2nd rounder for him?
JayhawksNChiefs - January 9, 2012
Or the Raiders giving up a #4 for Jason Campbell.
All it takes is one team that likes him.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Unfortunately the Raiders don't have any picks left...
but I get your point.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
McNabb had former pedigree
Matt Cassel doesn’t even have that.
McNabb at least had glory days and a super bowl appearance… there is a difference.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
Is a Pro Bowl pedigree?
Still only 29 years old. To washed up McNabb who was around 33 or so at the time of the trade? Matt Cassel’s image around the league isn’t as bad as people around here make it out to be. I sat next to a Vikings fan at the game who told me he would take Cassel over McNabb in a heartbeat.
JayhawksNChiefs - January 9, 2012
Matt Cassel can be a serviceable backup in the NFL
but the Chiefs are not going to get any trade value for him…
Maybe if the trade him midseason next year after an injury… but around the draft he will have no value IMO. He just won’t have any worth.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
I disagree.
There are only 2 QB’s (if RG3 declares) of starting caliber coming out of the draft. It’s not the best year to acquire a QB. Making Cassel’s stock higher this year than in it would have been in a year like last. I could see Seattle making a move for him. He torched the Seahawks last year and I’m sure Pete Carol remembers that.
JayhawksNChiefs - January 9, 2012
Good point.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
You rarely see college coaches bring in there former players
unless they are Spurrier. Besides Pete Carroll didn’t even want him to play in college, now he wants him when it matters more in terms of job security. I don’t buy that.
That is a good point about the draft and the QB’s. I still don’t think that will give Matt Cassel value though. Like I said, maybe mid season…
We shall see. Agree to disagree about Matt Cassel being worth more than a sack of wooden nickels at this point.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
I'm sure we both hope.
That i’m right, for the sake of the Chiefs. Who knows if Pioli is even willing to move him. Or if Orton is willing to sign here.
JayhawksNChiefs - January 9, 2012
The Pioli issue is another one all together
Though Pioli would trade Cassel for a thrid rounder in a heart beat… it forgives him for the whole process.
It won’t happen though.
Box of kittens aside. Realistically, best case scenario on a Christmas April day is a low sixth/seventh rounder for Matt Cassel.
Maybe they will throw him in a trade up. That might be a possibility. Still he holds no value right now… There are relative free agents out there
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
Thigpen was traded for a fifth rounder.
You can’t tell me Cassel isn’t worth more than that. You are drastically undervaluing him.
JayhawksNChiefs - January 9, 2012
Haters gonna hate.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
I'm not a Cassel hater...
But I’m not going to click my red Chiefs shoes together and say there is no place like a third round draft pick in Kansas City for Matt Cassel either.
That is ridiculous.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
at that point thigpen has value
He played well in Gailey’s system in a terrible Chiefs year.
Completely different situation JNC…
The NFL is what have you done for me lately… Matt Cassel has done nothing lately to give himself any value at all besides let Palko play.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
Your dislike for Cassel is blinding the truth.
From the perspective of the NFL, Matt Cassel has more value now than Thigpen ever has had in his entire career. Thiggy was a fan favorite, and i’m sure you liked him as well.
JayhawksNChiefs - January 9, 2012
I don't dislike Cassel at all
Top notch guy… will be a good back up. That doesn’t give him trade value.
At his peak he was worth a second and a player. he is nowhere near that now.
I love me some Matt Cassel, 2010 was good times, it is just time to move on.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
Im ready to move on with you, brother.
We just differ on his value. I’m convinced at least a fourth rounder can be had.
JayhawksNChiefs - January 9, 2012
Maybe, but
I’ll call you Mister Blue while you are holding your breath on that one.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
You forget Thiggy put up good numbers in 2008
and seemed to match what Miami was wanting to do, which up’d his stock.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
It's not about him being better than Cassel at any point
value’s go up and down in the NFL…
IMO, Matt’s value has never been lower.
Disappointing season
Injury to throwing hand
That doesn’t raise stock for a QB.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
You're right about it going up and down.
But his past 3 years come into play as well. If a team were to trade for him, they’re going to look at his entire body of work. What was his QB rating for this year? around 75 to 80 or so? There were far worse seasons around the NFL.
JayhawksNChiefs - January 9, 2012
76.6 and he was sacked 22 times
he only averaged 6.4 yards and he threw for 1700 yards in 9 games…
Not exactly setting the world on fire.
The game film is what really kills him though. He just looked worse out there than he ever has, that is not good for a QB.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
Again, ignore the FACT that the Offensive Line was absolute trash in the first half of the season, but yeah, it's all Matt's fault.
Chumps.
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
The offensive line was the same people throughout the year, wasn't it?
Brsrkr - January 10, 2012
Yeah they got better as the year went on. The SUCKED ASS in the firast half of the season.
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
I remember people hating on DJ.
saying we should trade him, now he is an all -pro.
rdlvegas85 - January 9, 2012
DJ in his worst year as a starter
Was better than Cassel in his best
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Didn't want him to play
because he had two Heisman Trophy winners on the roster. I don’t see that as an indictment against Cassel.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Either way, he had Cassel at his disposal and didn't choose him
I’m not one of those fans that thinks college coaches salivate over seeing how there QB’s will do in the pro’s.
Cassel doesn’t have any more value with Carroll than he does anywhere else.
I don’t see Seattle trading for yet another backup qb, it is hurting their franchise… that is the reason for Seattle not getting him more than anything.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
I have to convince some of my friends who are not Chiefs fans
that Cassel is not that good. I agree with you that his rep is worse in KC than it is elsewhere.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
It shines through when you watch the games...
He didn’t play very well most of his snaps.
Losing Jamaal hurt and not having Baldwin early, but he just looked bad out there.
He looked a lot better in 2010, but 2010 ain’t going to help his trade value in a now league.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
He's been solid 2 out of 4 years.
And is still pretty young. I think he has more value than you think.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
I would love the Chiefs to snake a pick out of Cassel during the draft,
It just will not happen, fool’s gold hoping for that IMO.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
A lot more realistic
than the people thinking we might trade up for Luck or RG3.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Hey. I'm not thinking we trade up for RG3.
I’m hoping we trade up for RG3.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
I don't think we are trading up in the draft either.
at least not for Nick Wright’s weak proposal…
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
Ha, never. He just put that out there to start conversation.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Seattle has a pretty solid team.
They could have used a guy like Cassel this year. Especially in that division. He would almost be considered the top QB in that division. Bradford, Kolb, Alex Smith. You can’t tell me Cassel isn’t on the same level as those guys. Bradford has a higher ceiling, but is still unproven.
JayhawksNChiefs - January 9, 2012
I think that's where Orton ends up next year.
acacia1602 - January 9, 2012
That's half of my point.
Combine that with a relatively low supply of QB’s in this years draft. If Barkley and the Jones declared, we would be having a different discussion.
JayhawksNChiefs - January 9, 2012
Grossman and Beck combined for 24 picks and like 6 fumbles the Skins would give up a 4th maybe a conditional 3rd depending on how the qb prospects shake out .
Shanahan has to make the playoffs so I think he would take a flyer on Matt .
Willie Beamon - January 9, 2012
Matt wasn't exactly tearing it up for Kansas City
For four games he has more sacks than rush yards.
I don’t see Washington going for him, especially when they can throw money at Orton or Flynn.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
Orton went 1-4 in Denver.
He got benched for a back up QB. When he was set up for success he did great. Haley did not set Cassel up for success this year. I’m not saying Cassel is the answer, I want to see what he can do when he is set up for success. Last year we only had one WR that was any good, I need to see more.
rdlvegas85 - January 9, 2012
Good points.
I think the whole argument about Orton vs Cassel comes down to the eye test. Orton looks more comfortable and proficient than Cassel throwing the ball.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Might be able to con Pete Carroll out of something for him
They gave up a 3rd rounder for Charlie freaking Whitehurst and he obviously knows Cassel (although maybe that would be a deterrent, lol)
CapsLockKey - January 9, 2012
because they get a quality veteran qb and can use that first/second to fill other needs
and then take a young QB next year when the pool is deeper
Willie Beamon - January 9, 2012
They already have Rex Grossman
and Beck…
If you twist them two up tightly in your hand together. You have Matt Cassel, I respect your opinion, but I disagree.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
They probably would take the stick in the eye instead.
Mr.Pibbs - January 9, 2012
Wow, that's very....specific.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Damn you and your logic and rational thought!
It didn’t really sound as though Kyle was terribly interested in competing with Cassel for the Chiefs’ starting job in his last statement. I’m sure he’s looking at other places that offer less competition or resistance to him being a starting QB in the league. If he can’t find one, then maybe he would consider a more contested position such as the one here in KC. Even then, the friendship aspect probably tips the scales towards a comparable contest somewhere else.
Well stated.
etp_stl - January 9, 2012
I don't think
you would talk bad about Cassel, after all if they want to trade him, they must try to keep his stock up.
Kyle is not coming to KC unless Matt leaves. Lots of other places he could go with no QB controversy the first time he throws a bad pass.
Bigcherokeechief - January 9, 2012
We'll have the QB's head for incomplete passes regardless on who is sitting on the bench
Ren - January 9, 2012
Just doing off of a little psychology witch hunt, his phraseology seemed to suggest
That Orton is his favorite.
The talk about having to wait to see how free agency played out, and some guys you might want back might not want to come back. Sure, he could’ve been talking about Bowe and Carr, but as the specific question addressed the QB situation, I think it’s safe to say he’s talking about Orton…and kissing his butt with praise in hopes he re-signs….
When addressing Orton, it is always “Kyle”. Cassel is referred to as Matt, yes…mostly, but he slips in a full name….projects a little less intimacy: Matt Cassel, especially when Orton is “Kyle” everywhere. And Stanzi is worse yet….yikes. No intimacy whatsoever. Everything is simply “Stanzi.”
My guess: if Orton will re-sign, he is the starter. Regardless of him re-signing, and barring a trade or other pickup, Cassel and Stanzi will have an open competition between themselves.
Of course, in the spirit of an APer, I could be reading too much into nothing….but Joel started it!
chief Stevie_k - January 9, 2012
That's just because Stanzi is the FNG
Never learn the FNG’s name.
But I’m with you – his wording sounded a lot like he wanted Orton to sign on, without trying to directly disrespect Cassel.
TRSChief - January 9, 2012
Here's hoping we...
drafted an offensive tackle in round 1 then move back up in the first and grab a QB that becomes Andy Dalton v2.
golfbard - January 9, 2012
I think a lot rides on the OC in this sitution
Bigcherokeechief - January 9, 2012
Can anyone name who Crennels starting QB was in Cleveland?
I’m sure you can. It’s a rhetorical question. Point is, I don’t know that I have any faith in Romeo to judge QB talent. Far as I’m concerned, Orton and Cassell are both a joke…
harleyman1200 - January 9, 2012
brady quinn and i believe derek anderson or tim couch
niageriannit1 - January 9, 2012
Ah, yes. I believe you are correct.
And, I rest my case…
harleyman1200 - January 9, 2012
tebow?
Chiefshero - January 9, 2012
Greg Cook?
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Whoa. How deep did you have to dig for that name?
harleyman1200 - January 9, 2012
At my age
I remember stuff in my youth better than I remember last month. ;)
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
+1
me, too
neiowakcfan - January 9, 2012
Hah, I can relate.
Only I don’t know if my memory is due to age or alcohol…
harleyman1200 - January 9, 2012
I blame both.
If I remember correctly.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
The Chiefs should have hired you.
I would take Romeo’s opinion over anyone on this board
JayhawksNChiefs - January 9, 2012
So if the guy says he's not sure about Romeo's ability to judge QB talent
You have to say something snarky? Seriously, is that what AP’s becoming? A site where we can’t even profess hesitation about the absolute omniscience of our coaches and GM’s without someone getting huffy?
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Oh, leave it. You wrote an entire huffy post from the opposite viewpoint.
And Harley “got huffy” (if that’s what you want to call it, neither he nor JNC seemed that bad to me) about Romeo first. Our brand new head coach, who we all hope can bring our favorite team to a Superbowl. Can’t we even profess hope that our favorite team’s coaches know what they’re doing without someone getting huffy?
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
The post I wrote was in response to crap like what Jay said
Not to people who trust the coaches. The people who attack those that do not.
Very different.
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Seemed like a smart remark in response to a smart remark to me, and neither one all that bad.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
I didn't read snarkiness into. I read he was trying to avoid sounding snarky
The problem with written word…
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Every time I see YOU, of all people...
…getting on someone’s case for being “snarky” or “huffy” or “condescending”, I nearly bust a gut wanting to laugh out loud.
You are a one-man “pot-calling-the-kettle-black” show, dude. Seriously.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
Well that's just an unpleasant thing to say
And quit stalking me! Seriously, I swear to God, I’m married. Flattered, though
And c’mon, isn’t it a tad ironic that you’re doing the same thing you nearly bust a gut seeing me doing? Because let’s face it, you and I express ourselves a LOT alike.
So to be clear… you’re the pot calling the pot calling the kennel black :).
See how we come full circle?
Although I probably overreacted above. Didn’t get much sleep last night…
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Derek Anderson. During the best year he ever had in his career.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
I think RAC came across as wanting Orton more
just stated what he technically has. Cassel and Stanzi are the only ones under contract. But he wants Orton as he was the one who got him the job more so than any other player
trentchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
They gave no clues as to what they are going to do at the QB position today.
Not one… Even trying to read into it is pointless IMO.
The announced Romeo Crennel, patted each other on the back. Made it seem like this year was better than what it actually was and that Romeo’s tenure is going to last long enough to bring championships.
They also gave the impression that they have a new beginning and a new coaching time clock with this hire. If this doesn’t work, it will fall apart quickly in Kansas City IMO.
They don’t have much room for error… They need to make the right moves going forward, starting with coaches and QB.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
I think your blinders malfunctioned just a bit ;-)
bossmanham - January 9, 2012
error, error
Bigcherokeechief - January 9, 2012
Perhaps...
I want to be on board with the teams moves as much as the next guy, but they have to make sense also.
This team had a great opportunity and it feels like they are slowly blowing it. However, I am waiting to see what happens with the OC/DC/QB before I judge to harshly.
I just want this team to move forward.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
Yeah, well, this presser was to announce the HC
The QB situation could not be addressed right now even if they wanted to do it today.
Gotta wait for free agency and the draft before you can do a damn thing about QB, right? Pretty standard stuff: these guys are under contract, everyone else is speculation.
neiowakcfan - January 9, 2012
My message was to everyone reading in about what they would do based off today with the QB.
They let no hints out of the bag today…
So I agree.
Chief-blinders-on - January 9, 2012
For three years we’ve heard nothing but “This is Cassel’s team.” Today it was a totally different tune and people are under the impression that he’s giving Matt a complete endorsement? Makes no sense.
JComp11 - January 9, 2012
Truth is spoken.
bossmanham - January 9, 2012
Bingo!
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Some people are nit-pickers
And like to find something to complain about. That’s all
LookListenLearn - January 9, 2012
Truth is spoken.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Some people expect Pioli to say "We want Orton and we're gonna get him if we have to spend our whole damn salary cap" with Orton's agent standing right there listening.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
And
“Cassel sucks, so we’re going to dump him, unless we find a team stupid enough to trade for him.”
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
And
“The Chiefs WILL trade for Indy’s number one pick if we have to spend four whole drafts to do it. Uh, don’t tell Irsay I said that.”
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Well said
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Basically what it means...
If this is who he has, then this is what he’ll work with. No professional coach who wants to retain a strong locker room will throw his players under the bus to make a statement, especially a guy who plays the most important position on the field. We’ll see what Pioli does in the draft and if he sees what everyone else does.
JMagsKC1 - January 9, 2012
I think I made a comment about this a couple years back
Does our QB situation remind anyone of Rob Johnson?
His Royal Greatness - January 9, 2012
no. Reminds me of LJ
Chiefshero - January 9, 2012
RAC makes me hard and sweaty for the 2012 season
Chiefshero - January 9, 2012
Need some lotion and a towel?
TRSChief - January 9, 2012
TMI
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Boing?
SFLChief - January 9, 2012
Hoopla!
Hasn’t been turned down yet.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
How much would Cassel cost us if he is released?
Jared WS - January 9, 2012
7 mill
Chiefshero - January 9, 2012
bargain at twice that
neiowakcfan - January 9, 2012
Then its time to chuck deuces
Let our hopefully soon-to-be-drafted QB learn behind Orton and learn how to do a sick play action fake
His Royal Greatness - January 9, 2012
Too much. Cassel is our guy then.
Jared WS - January 9, 2012
What does everyone think about kellen moore.
I know they say he is undersized, so he isnt projected to go til the 4th or 5th. I would have to double check but I think he is similar size to brees. He could be an intriging late round flyer.
ChiefsfaninCO - January 9, 2012 via mobile
discount double check?
Ren - January 9, 2012
I got in on most of the press conference,
and the only thing I heard that was for sure is that the QB of the franchise is NOT Palko.
I caution everyone to be careful of these QB evaluations because the next thing you know will be a fan base clamoring for T.J. Yates! Texans beat Baltimore and you know it will happen.
BCRavenJHawkfan - January 9, 2012
IOW
he’s already a leg up on Haley.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Yes, and I thought Crennel was much different than when Haley was introduced.
Crennel was smiling, he talked about accountability. As I remember Haley was just a long drone of monotone blabber.
BCRavenJHawkfan - January 9, 2012
We already know what Cassel can (and can't) do
I think most of the fans agree he can’t help us get anywhere. So why not let Orton get a full off season with us and let him start? He was only here for a few weeks before he played and still looked better, if not, equal to Cassel.
LookListenLearn - January 9, 2012
I think the fan base would be more than happy with Orton over Cassel
but we have to remember, like RAC stated, Orton is a FA and can sign where he wants. If he doesn’t want to be here, not much we can do. But I would love for us to resign Orton and draft a good qb in early rounds. Either let Orton/Cassel battle it out, or trade Cassel for whatever you can get for him.
jcrunninwild - January 9, 2012
Yeah, a lot of fans would be happy with Orton...
…until Orton has a bad game or two, then the fans will immediately turn on him, hate him, and commence their quest to run him out of town.
It’s what Kansas City fans do. It’s kind of a sad, tired act in my opinion, but it’s what they do.
They booed Len Dawson. They booed Trent Green. They hate Cassel. They’ll hate the next guy too, whether it’s Orton or anyone else.
It’s the (unfortunate) Circle of Life for Chiefs quarterbacks.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
Ha, that's not Chiefs fans, that's people.
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Well put.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
I heard it from a wise man in black.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
I met that same dude...
Jommy Tee Lones, or something like that, right?
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
'k
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
The fact that you compared Matt Cassel to Len Dawson and Trent Green takes most of the force out of your argument.
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Trivia Question
What was Len’s completion percentage the year the Chiefs won the Super Bowl?
53.8% 13 TDs 14 Ints. Don’t tell me if AP was around back then most of you wouldn’t be calling to replace him. Lenn is a God in this town…and he should be. But the negative crew on AP would be calling to can this game manager’s ass!
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
True story.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Football is totally the same today
As it was in the 60’s.
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Your Right
1970 was Nothing like it was back in 1961 when Len had a 61% completion, 29 TDS and 17 Ints. Those numbers don’t look ANYTHING like we would see today. Oh yea, because it’s so different. Do your homework MN.
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
That's what paralegals are for.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
I have
And the league was completely different back then.
In 1970, the HIGHEST total for a QB in passing TD’s was 28. 28! Additionally, when Lenny had that season he’d been here performing well for years and years. Cassel had one decent year with us, not multiple great years.
But yeah, it’s totally the same thing.
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Counselor...
I object! NFL.com says Lens’ Rating was 71 that year. 71! But no worries, it’s just facts.
Point is. Lenny would no doubt be slammed today. But history has a way of taking care of things. People once thought Ronald Reagan sucked too.
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
Len Dawson led the league in passer rating in 1968,
I guess that earned him some forgiveness.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Again, different situations
When a QB has performed very, very well for a number of years, fans generally don’t call for his head with one down year.
Cassel doesn’t compare to that, since he’s had one decent year sandiwched between two years of crap.
See the difference?
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
I was going to say people once thought Ronald Reagan was great too.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
The guy slept through his cabinet meetings and now they want to put him on Rushmore!
electriclight - January 9, 2012
But Ronald Reagan DID suck.
neiowakcfan - January 10, 2012
No it's not!
……Oh. I see what you did there.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
The "force" of my argument...
…had absolutely nothing to do with “comparing” Matt Cassel to Len Dawson or Trent Green. I “compared” them by classifying them all as Chiefs quarterbacks. That’s what they are.
I made the point that Kansas City fans hate the starting quarterback, whoever it is. Len Dawson, Trent Green, or, yes, the current Chiefs quarterback, Matt Cassel.
I didn’t put their careers or their talents on the same plain, so take your attempt at “putting me in my place” and shove it directly up your Haley.
You’ve scolded me in the past for having a “condescending tone” to my posts, when you are the very embodiment of a condescending tone. I rarely read one of your comments or replies to anyone without detecting a level of smarminess, so kindly don’t preach to anyone else about doing away with a “condescending tone”.
You have your opinions, I have mine. You’re not going to sway me.
Have a nice day.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
We also booed Palko. What do you think of that?
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Personally?
I’m not a proponent of booing any member of the home team. I’m not saying you’re not allowed to, and I’m not saying you should clap and jump up and down when a player does something bad.
I just don’t boo members of the team I root for.
Doesn’t change the point of my post. Regardless of who the quarterback is, Chiefs fans will whine and dislike them.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
Fans seemed to like Thiggy.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Some will, others won't.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
A little touchy?
No one’s trying to put you in your place. Your place here is the same as mine, a commenter on AP.
I don’t see why we need to start making general personal attacks…
And seriously, this
Doesn’t speak much for you being interested in an exchange of thoughts. Just stating your opinion.
For example, I see now (after your clarification) what you were attempting to get at with your first statement about the three QBs, and concede that it’s not a bad argument. See, I was willing to listen, despite our differing opinions, and you changed my mind :).
Doesn’t that seem to be a better way to approach this?
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Yeah, the "force of the argument" argument was backward and weak.
The better the quarterbacks that are referenced as having been booed – the STRONGER the argument.
electriclight - January 9, 2012
Coaches coach and fans think they can coach.
Half our team would be cut if the fans were coaching. At the start of the year, they wanted Romeo gone. When things go bad they want to cut the players.
rdlvegas85 - January 9, 2012
Might as well shut AP down then
And replace it with a site that has one sentence on it…
“We trust the Chief’s coaches and GM!”
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Or, better yet...
…replace it with a site that says…
“We whine and cry like little girls about any and every decision the Chiefs make, because we know better than they do!”
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
Totally.
Because obviously having seen enough of Cassel for 3 years = every single move the Chiefs make being garbage.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Quit stalking me.
I’m married :)
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Find me one comment at the beginning of the year where someone said they want Romeo gone.
Please.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Do game day threads count?
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Dammit.
I would have to say no… since the majority of Game Day threads at one point or another call for everyone on the team.
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
True dat.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Was it all those TDs Orton threw...
that sold you on him? Based on most AP people’s Orton man love, John Elway knew nothing about judging QB talent.
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
Elway was forced to placate his fans.
electriclight - January 9, 2012
John Elway did NOT draft Tim Tebow.
Why in the world do you keep harping on Elway judging QB talent? He hasn’t drafted a single QB as of yet!
neiowakcfan - January 10, 2012
Wait wait wait, let me get this right.
Wanting Orton over Cassel equates to Orton man love?
You seem to think every Chiefs fan here wants Orton instead of Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady or something.
Given the two options, Orton and Cassel – Orton is better of the two. That is in no way saying that we wouldn’t all jump out of our shorts at the opportunity for a first ballot HOF QB.
Orton is better than Cassel in the way that a B- is better than a C-. If you can pull an A+, you do it regardless.
Unfortunately, the possibility of that happening given the current state of affairs is…limited.
TRSChief - January 10, 2012
Cassel is garbage.
But, sounds like they’re not getting rid of him, which can only be a bad sign in my book.
GonzosDirtyTrailer - January 9, 2012
WHY?
wasnt palko mentioned in this talk? dude is an amazing talent with a rocket arm
KCALLTHEWAY - January 9, 2012
He wins games man.
He has a wicked Hail Mary
NJChieffan16 - January 9, 2012
Unfortunately they only go about 35 yards
LookListenLearn - January 9, 2012
That was only because of the situation
He has a cannon arm and that Hail Mary could be thrown from the 50 if it had to.
NJChieffan16 - January 9, 2012
Those out passes
that take five minutes to get there are by design. The ball gets there after the defender has already ran by.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Ran by with or without the ball?
NJChieffan16 - January 9, 2012
With if only 4 minutes.
Without if it takes the full 5 minutes.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
I woud believe that, but...
All of his passes seem like they take forever to get to the receiver. Sometimes it’s like watchin him play with a frisbee
LookListenLearn - January 9, 2012
Thats the trick
Fool the defender into jumping early for the ball only for the receiver to catch it and run
NJChieffan16 - January 9, 2012
Are you going back to Arizona, Todd?
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
sounds like they wanna sign orton
but orton dosent really wanna be here
dudeustupid - January 9, 2012
Didn't sound that way at all to me.
Sounds like they want Orton, but realize that they can’t make him stay.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Let me clarify for you Joel
It means we have 2 pretty darned good back-up Quarterbacks on the roster.
ARROWHEADSHANE - January 9, 2012
Love him or hate him: Nick Wright just made a great point
Rank the 4 QB’s in the AFC West (my opinion based on Nick’s convo):
1st: Phillip Rivers Tied for 2nd: Carson Palmer/Tim Tebow 4th: Cassel (expected starter)/Palko/Orton
Look at the last place teams in every division. Every single one of them had a horrible QB or group of QB’s.
We’ve gotta make a change. Have to.
Falcon58 - January 9, 2012
I disagree with this
Orton would be number 2 on that list. Carson Palmer was awful this season.
Steve_in_RI - January 9, 2012
Agreed.
And Tebow would still be #4 on my list.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
If Tebow continues to get better next season... do you still think that is true?
He’s not a great qb by any means, but he could get better. He made some great long throws yesterday and he’s tough to bring down. It’s like watching another Roethlisberger in the making.
Be honest with yourself.
Falcon58 - January 9, 2012
If he gets better next year, move him up the board.
If we’re talking about this year, he’s had two out of thirteen games where his completion percentage was over fifty.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
If he continues to play like yesterday, my opinion would change, yes.
I don’t expect that to happen, however.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
Yeah, I also don't expect defenses to put a subpar CB on Thomas and leave no safeties behind the CB's at all.
Normally a quick slant route won’t go for 80 yards, for example.
I think it’s a shame that all the talk is “Tebow Tebow Tebow!!! wooo Tebow!” when Demaryius Thomas was the one that absolutely owned the Steelers yesterday.
TRSChief - January 10, 2012
Steelers haven't had a good secondary for a long time.
Except Polamalu. They subscribe to the Mills school of defense, put human wrecking balls up front and don’t worry too much about the back end. It usually works well, but not when their entire defensive line is out injured.
Brsrkr - January 10, 2012
Orton lost his job to Tebow
So let me get this straight. Orton not only lost his job to Tebow but he got CUT and you have him better than Tebow. Holy Cow. You must know more than John Elway who made that decision, right? C’mon man!
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
Head to head, man. Orton BEAT Tebow.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
We won't mention...
…all the reports coming out of Denver last week that the Broncos were chomping at the bit to yank Tebow and put in Brady Quinn if Tebow showed any sign of struggling against Pittsburgh.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
You seriously think
John Fox and John Elway made that move because Tebow was a better QB? Or because fans were threatening en masse to not show up if Tebow wasn’t the QB.
I would absolutely 100000000% take Kyle Orton to run an actual professional football offense before Tim Tebow.
Steve_in_RI - January 9, 2012
Tebow was FOURTH on the depth chart
coming out of pre-season, according to some reports, and no higher than third. John Fox and John Elway made that decision, too, right? Not to mention, neither one of them drafted him. C’mon, man.
neiowakcfan - January 10, 2012
Fast forward to next season.
Orton’s not on this roster, Cassel is.
Carson Palmer has a full offseason in Oakland.
Now where do you put them?
Falcon58 - January 9, 2012
And yes, I think we're more likely to be stuck with Cassel than not.
I don’t think Orton is still here.
Falcon58 - January 9, 2012
1. Stanzi
2. Rivers
3. Palmer
4. Tebow
See? Simple.
neiowakcfan - January 10, 2012
Rivers, Palmer, Cassel, Tebow
Arm strength being the tiebreaker between Palmer and Cassel.
Steve_in_RI - January 10, 2012
and if Rivers is so good
why do his teams keep finishing out of the playoffs?
neiowakcfan - January 10, 2012
I am in no way a fan of Cassel as QBOTF
but let’s call it what it is… With the right OL and with the Defense where it’s at, Cassel could absolutely win with this team.
The same people who think Cassel cannot do it are the same ones fawning over TJ Yates being a 5th round pick getting it done. Cassel is better than Yates and Houston is showing that with a strong OL, powerful running game, and nasty defense you can win even in the playoffs. We may not win because of Cassel but we can certainly win with him.
With guys staying in school, this draft became a different story. The QBOTF cannot be had without giving up things Pioli will not give up.
In sum, I prefer Orton, but the absolute disgust for Cassel has reached hyperbolic proportions. You’d think we were talking about Palko here.
Steve_in_RI - January 9, 2012
Well said.
Very well said.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
It Might as well be Palko we're talking about...
Cassel’s first 3 games of 2011 = zero wins and crappy performance
Palko’s first 3 games of 2011 = zero wins and crappy performance
Too me, they are much more similar than you think.
DEEJAYDEEZ - January 9, 2012
Eh, yes and no, Steve
Cassel played in 10 games this season. 3 of those were acceptable performances. 7 of those were unacceptable. Of the three that were acceptable, 2 were against terrible defenses. The remaining 1 was the first game against SD. So though the stats were good, he still cost us at the end of the game.
Looking at his game logs for 2011 it’s a pretty clear dropoff from last year’s typical numbers. Whether that’s due to no Charles-led running game, turbulence involving Haley, or just personal dropoff by Cassel himself – it has to be scrutinized.
Those numbers in the game log I linked are not what a team can get from it’s QB and hope to ever get to and win in the playoffs.
Maybe it was a down year, and if he starts for the Romeo led Chiefs in 2012 he’ll look as good or better than last year. It’s hard to say. But we’ve had 3 years of the guy, and 2 of them have been pretty bad. Though nothing about 2009 was good, so it’s hard to use much from that season as an indicator.
If we end up going into next season with Cassel at the helm, I really really hope he can get it done. Myself and many others here have been pretty patient with the guy. It’s hard to continue to be that patient after 3 seasons, especially showing regression in the 3rd season.
Maybe if he was a rookie that came out of college as a Jr, and still needed a little growing room. But for a 29 year old who’s about to be 30, one has to wonder if he’s grown as much as he can. And if this season’s performance is what we can expect from the guy, it’s time to move on.
TRSChief - January 10, 2012
Patience
shown to Cassel has been deserved, I think. And he might deserve a little more patience considering the OC situation(s). But it’s tough to stay patient when there’s a QB on the same team who is clearly better at throwing the ball.
Brsrkr - January 10, 2012
The O-line also had rregressed horribly this year.
Cassel gets ONE more year.
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
Greened and applauded.
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
His Team Believes in Him
Truth is, Cassel is tight with just about everybody on Offense. Bowe missed the hell out of him and he and Breaston are tight. So if you expect his teammates to sell him out as the fans do, it ain’t happening. And face it, they could like the guy but still not want him as their QB. But that’s not the case. They knew what went on in the Haley lead offense and just as Haley’s crap planning often made Bowe look less than stellar, Cassel fell victim to it as well.
Two months ago I posted on AP that Haley was calling the plays and that his team no longer trusted him. That was proven to be the truth. Truth is that Haley was also calling the plays the last two games of the year last year. He was pissed at Charlie and took the reigns. Guess what…we sucked and Cassel struggled because of the scheming. Bottom line, what fans know and see is NOT the same as what the players see. The players know that with Haley out of the offense, Cassel has the tools to get us deep into the playoffs. And for all of you saying he isn’t capable, remember only 13 months ago Cassel was AFC Offensive player of the month for November. Yes, that’s over, Manning, Brady and Big Ben. Steve DeBerg is the only other Chief QB to earn that honor.
So when Romeo says he believes Cassel can get us there, it’s not coach speak…it’s his opinion. Even if you don’t agree with it.
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
Did you
just compare Cassel to all of those guys based on 1 month?
DEEJAYDEEZ - January 9, 2012
One month?
Oh, I’m sorry, I guess 27 TDS to 7 Ints didn’t happen in one month. My bad. I wouldn’t want those numbers again.
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
You're wasting your breath, brother.
You should know by now that, in the land of Arrowhead Pride, Matt Cassel has never done anything good as a Chief. Every game he has played in has been a loss (even the wins), and he’s the reason for every one of those losses. A dark rain cloud hovers over his head everywhere he goes (like a cartoon character), and everything Matt Cassel touches instantly rots into a festering pile of refuse.
His 2008 season in New England? That wasn’t because of him. His success with the Chiefs in 2010? That wasn’t because of him either. Only the negative outcomes are a result of Matt Cassel. The success is credited to someone else, and the failures rest squarely and solely on Matt Cassel’s shoulders.
Didn’t you know all of that already?
You and I know better, Sully. But I’m just telling you…you might as well save your breath.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
Matt Cassel is OK. Orton is better.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Cassel > Orton
Not by much, but what seals the deal for me is the lack of mistakes. Orton WILL get the ball furter down the field, then give it to the other team (trow an interception in the red zone like he did vs. Oakland) where as Cassel will might not get as far down the field, but will give his special teams a chance to pin them deep.
DivineGrace - January 10, 2012
No. You're just repeating what you've heard. Think for yourself.
Orton: 57 interceptions for 2204 attempts = 38.7 int/attempt
Cassel: 45 interceptions for 1767 attempts = 39.3 int/attempt
Orton has 30 career fumbles, Cassel has 33.
Per the stats on Yahoo Sports, Orton takes care of the ball BETTER than Cassel.
Brsrkr - January 10, 2012
We are having this conversation 2 times, but I will go with it. :-)
57 Int / 2204 Attempts (Int / Attempts) is NOT 38.7
2203 Attempts / 57 Int IS 38.7.
The numbers you used (38.7 and 39.3) are how many Attempts it takes before an Interception is thrown (Attempts / Int). Cassel is BETTER in the Attempts / Int stats, but if you want to look at Int / Attempt…
Orton has a 2.58% chance of an attempt ending in an interception. (The REAL Int/attempt stat…i.e. 57 / 2204))
Cassel has a 2.54% chance of an attempt ending in an interception. (i.e. 45 / 1767).
What I should have said is Orton is a TURNOVER (interceptions/fumbles lost) machine.
Orton has 75 turnovers (57 Int + 18 fumbles lost)
Cassel has 56 turnovers (45 Int + 11 fumbles lost)
Orton has a 3.40% chance of a turnover per attempt (turnovers / attempts…i.e. 75 TO’s / 2204)
Cassel has a 3.17% chance of a turnover per attempt (turnovers / attempts…i.e. 56 TO’s / 1767)
Orton turns the ball over more then Cassel. PERIOD.
Cassel also has more TDs/attempt (4.30% chance of a TD per attempt) than Orton (3.63%)
Cassel also has a better Career QBR (82.5) than Orton (79.4)
Cassel also has a better Career comp % (59.0%) than Orton (58.3%)
Cassel is BETTER then Orton in every meaningful way.
Neither is the QBOTF….that my friend is Ricki Stanzi.
DivineGrace - January 10, 2012
Yes, I put the nomenclature backward.
And you cherry picked fumbles LOST instead of fumbles committed. Recovered fumbles are on the team, not the fumbler.
And are we really arguing over a difference of .0023? (3.4% – 3.17%) Yeah, that CLEARLY makes Cassel a much better QB.
What are Stanzi’s NFL numbers? 0/0/0/0/…….
Brsrkr - January 10, 2012
When has Cassel ever
played with high ankle sprains, a dislocated finger on his throwing hand, bruised ribs on both sides?
When has Cassel played with a poor running game? — Oh, that’s right, after Charles was injured. How did that work out? Check out Orton’s first 11 games in 2010, when he was healthy but still had NO running game to speak of. He didn’t do much . . . average 306 yds/game, 20 TDs, 6 INTs, 106.0 QBR. Did Cassel do that after Charles was injured?
If you are going to run such comparisons, please run fair comparisons and include all the factors. sigh
AZDynamics - January 10, 2012
We will see who the QB is the first week of 2012.
Cassel is the better QB of the two and ‘should’ be ‘the guy’ next year.
DivineGrace - January 14, 2012
Thanks for the therapy Tim
Not sure why I waste my time. Great to see somebody speak sanity!
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
Not at all what I was saying!
I was merely laughing because this guy is comparing Cassel to Manning, Brady and Big Ben. That is just comical.
DEEJAYDEEZ - January 9, 2012
i see a pattern here..
he plays good during even number years, so that must mean he’ll be good in 2012, then we trade him next offseason when his value his high and draft a QB
mooseman44 - January 9, 2012
Rec'd! And I got breath to spare. I am so tired of the QB myopathy on AP.
The way people go on in these threads you would think the QB, blocks, receives, defends and everything else.
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
Um, are you a fan?
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
If his team believed in him
why did they play better under Orton? Hell, I think that Pitt and Chi game made them all realize “friggin Palko is our QB and we are in these games, maybe Matt is holding us back”.
CapsLockKey - January 9, 2012
could be due to the lack of Todd
swish7209 - January 9, 2012
You're crazy if...
you think that Orton will be back. Matt Cassel and Scott Pioli are butt buddies so Pioli will never fire him. Clark Hunt is the cheapest owner in the league, he won’t pay Orton and Cassel both. Because of this the Chiefs will continue to suck, just as they have ever since we lost Trent Green in 2006.
Cassel sucks, END OF STORY
He’s had 3 years to show something and really didn’t
Mark"TheDirty"SanchezFan - January 9, 2012
Other than that whole 27 TDs, 7INTs thing last season...
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
Took the words out of my mouth Tim
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
He was a decent game manager that season. That's about it.
He needs a better OC to be a better QB.
Falcon58 - January 9, 2012
Those stats look impressive if you keep repeating them
Then when you look at that season, he had several very good games against awful teams surrounded by several OK games and mostly mediocre games, with some GOD-AWFUL games around it.
He went on one hot streak against some of the worst defenses in the league. Or should I say, Dwayne Bowe went on a hot streak and Cassel rode that train for more than half of those TD’s…
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Cassel is the QB next year.
That is just the facts, I would let Orton and Cassel compete for the job,I’m not in charge. Orton knows Pioli wants Cassel as the starter. Orton wants to go somewhere where he is the starter. Unless nobody wants him to be a starter next year, he won’t be back.
I think we can win with Cassel, I look forward to next year to hear what your saying about Cassel when he is playing well.
rdlvegas85 - January 9, 2012
If Cassel does play well next season...
…you can be sure that they will do everything within their power to avoid giving him one iota of credit for it.
Any success is “in spite of” Matt Cassel. Any failures are “entirely because of” Matt Cassel.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
Hey, I was defending Cassel for all of last season and coming into this season
I was always saying that 2010 showed he was a good QB, that he could take us there, that he was improving.
Then he showed up the same QB as he’d been previously. He didn’t seem improved much at all.
If Cassel starts and does play well ALL of next season (not just half the games), then GREAT. That would be by far what’s best for our team.
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
HOW MANYTIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT?...The O-line was in 2009 form as well.
Why is that so hard to see, let alone admit?
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
What do you mean?
Are you saying the line was so bad at pass blocking it forced Cassel to be terrible?
Because Orton managed to go three games and only get sacked once, didn’t he? And that included games against Clay Matthews, the OAK line, and Denver’s gifted edge rushers…
Honestly, I see what you’re saying, but going back and re-watching I saw plenty of times when Cassel got happy feet and caused the pressure himself, rather than “sliding” away from it the way he’s supposed to.
MNchiefsfan - January 10, 2012
So the front line gets a pass?
It’s the same as the argument that Bowe was a beast in 2010. But Cassel’s numbers were padded in 2010 because he faced shit secondaries. The SAME secondaries that gave Bowe GOD status.
The duplicity…it is a shame.
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
Another thing Orton got the line after a FULL season to gel and not have the game plan changed on Friday or Saturday.
FUDGEMUFFIN!
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
You hate Matt Cassel. I don't.
You think Matt Cassel sucks. I don’t.
We don’t agree on it. We won’t agree on it.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
I don't think he sucks
I think he’s a sub-average QB who doesn’t go through progressions and gets happy feet.
Decent backup though.
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Yeah that's right, Bowe threw those passes, Shit MN, how could I have not seen that...oh, wait.
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
Watch those TD's
On some of them Bowe created the TD with his ability to run after the catch. One of his TD’s against JAC is a prime example. Cassel WAY underthrew him when he was wide open, but Bowe adjusted and shook off two defenders to score. So Cassel made a terrible throw but Bowe made up for it with his talent.
Looking in that same game we see another example of the same thing. The fade to Bowe in the left side of the end zone was not well thrown (he overthrew it by a ways). But Bowe made a SPECTACULAR catch to pull it in.
Those are the kind of plays I’m talking about. Bowe was more responsible than Cassel for at least a half dozen of those TDs.
MNchiefsfan - January 10, 2012
Yup, with the #1 rushing offense in the league to support him.
So how did Kyle do with virtually NO running game during the 11 games when he was healthy? Oh 26 TDs, 6 INTs.
In other words, Orton did that same thing with NO running game that Cassel did with the #1 running game.
Do you really think they compare?
AZDynamics - January 10, 2012
By your handle I see you are an "absolute genius" in QB talent evaluation.
You fail, END OF STORY.
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
This coming from a Mark Sanchez fan!
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
Quit Torturing Yourselves
Men, Cassel will be our QB to start the year. If he his, man up like a loyal Chief fan and route for him to succeed rather than hope to celebrate with an, “I told you so.” If he gets a good OC, and our injured guys come back and he sucks, then have at it. I won’t blame you. But if you trust Romeo, then trust him to make a decision that is in the best interest of the team.
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
So, you already know
who will win the QB competition through OTA’s and the pre-season, even though you don’t even know who or how many QB’s KC will have on it’s roster OR whether any will endure season-ending injuries prior to week one of the 2012 season. Wow, you REALLY DO have some good sources. Good on you, man.
neiowakcfan - January 10, 2012
Thats why we trade cassel,
For whatever we can get for him, resign orton and than draft kellen moore out of boise state in the 4th. This kid intrigues me, I havent seen him as much this year as I did last but he can play. His only knock (as far as I know) is he is undersized only 6 1 and 190 pounds.
ChiefsfaninCO - January 9, 2012 via mobile
my buddy is a huge moore fan..
and i dont really know much about it but he said he hasnt played that many good teams so if he were to fall to us in the 5th then im okay with that. but i wouldnt want to take a 4th for a qb that has the odds stacked against him.
Wrestler189s - January 9, 2012
I really only followed him last year, so im not sure bout the schedule. He might could fall to the 5th I think thats where he is projected, but the way qbs go I wouldnt be shocked if he goes before the 4th or 5th. Especially since he broke mccoys record for most wins.
ChiefsfaninCO - January 9, 2012 via mobile
to me i dont think wins mean too much..
mccoy doesnt look too good in the nfl right now lol.. but i wouldnt mind getting moore. underdogs all the way
Wrestler189s - January 9, 2012
Of course, wins dont always translate to anything, college is a whole different game than the pros. That might be enough to interest some teams and take him before he should go tho.
ChiefsfaninCO - January 9, 2012 via mobile
Thanks I almost forgot about that 1 time. It was so far in between the 5 yard dumps--I'm not sure how I forgot that 1 pass.
NFL season ticket holder - January 9, 2012
i just read between the lines and saw...
“you’re all going to miss the deep passes to bowe(maybe) and baldwin next year”
Wrestler189s - January 9, 2012
Yeah, if only Matt Cassel had thrown a deep TD to Baldwin against the Chargers this season on Monday night...
…oh, wait…
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
how many times did that happen this season...?
Wrestler189s - January 9, 2012
How many times was a play called...
…where the intent was to throw the ball deep, and the defense was lined up in a look that allowed such a pass to be thrown?
If you can answer that question, then I’ll debate this with you.
You can’t.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
but SullyWA2 can!
neiowakcfan - January 10, 2012
You might not remember this play but i remember when we played the packers orton had thrown a deep pass to baldwin across the middle and it was with 2 defenders him. He put it ONLY where baldwin could have gotten it. he ended up dropping the pass but it was a perfect pass. i dont think cassel could have done that.
Wrestler189s - January 9, 2012
Yea he could..it would have been intercepted but I am sure Cassel would have tried that pass.
NFL season ticket holder - January 9, 2012
You can have your opinion.
If you think Cassel couldn’t make that pass, then that’s what you think.
On the flip side, I’m of the opinion that Matt Cassel would not have thrown that ugly interception in the end zone that Orton threw against the Raiders. You know the one I’m talking about…the one that kept the Chiefs out of the playoffs.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
Ha! Yeah, Orton lost that two-blocked-FGs game.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
You don't need to worry about the field goals...
…if Orton can get the team into the end zone.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
Orton has been here for 3 games not 3 years
Cassel has…give Orton three years and I bet you see a better team.
NJChieffan16 - January 9, 2012
Really?
I bet you see 3 years’ worth of the same Kyle Orton everyone has seen in Chicago and Denver.
I’m not a Kyle Orton hater. If he stays, that’s fine with me. I’ll root for him, because he’ll be the quarterback of my favorite team.
But the “Kyle Orton is SO much better than Matt Cassel” delusions are silly.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
Give Orton a year with a good defense and good receivers along with
All-Pro RB Jamaal Charles…I would bet he gets us to the playoffs also. Just try it.
NJChieffan16 - January 9, 2012
I can say the same thing with Matt Cassel at quarterback.
You and I just disagree on it.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
well Bears fans said Orton couldnt throw deep and broncos fans said Orton would choke in the 4th with the game on the line
What we saw while he was HERE was a QB that could stretch the field and led us down the field to tie the game but then again to setup a potential game winner.
So to say we will see what everyone saw in Denver and Chicago the question becomes who is the everyone ? When Orton was available the guys on the bears page were all saying how much Orton had improved since he was in chicago.
Right now Im more inclined to believe my own eyes .
Willie Beamon - January 9, 2012
It's a lot easier to not get a field goal blocked, twice, than it is to avoid interceptions.
Might as well blame the loss on Wiegmann for not blocking Houston well.
Brsrkr - January 9, 2012
Im specifically just talking about deep passes.
Yes i was pissed about that pick, who wasnt? and i agree with you on that. but on the same note, cassel didnt get us in the endzone that much either…
Wrestler189s - January 9, 2012
idk why it didnt post this but
i agree with you. i was pissed, but who wasnt? on that same note though, cassel hasnt gotten us to the endzone, this year, that much either…
Wrestler189s - January 9, 2012
Very true.
A team with a struggling running game and sub-par pass-blocking is going to struggle to score touchdowns, regardless of who the quarterback is.
My point is, the whole “Orton is so much better than Matt Cassel” thing is rather silly. In my opinion.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
im not saying orton is better than cassel. im just talking about his deep throws.
i think they both are average qbs that can lead a team to the playoffs but not get anywhere.
Wrestler189s - January 9, 2012
Fair enough.
All of that remains to be seen.
I’m of the opinion that, if you build your TEAM correctly, your Super Bowl hopes don’t hinge entirely on having an elite, all-world quarterback. It’s not the popular opinion to have, but it’s what I think.
TimInKC - January 9, 2012
True
But Orton is better :)
zalpha1 - January 9, 2012
orton has more talent...cassel has more heart...
SDChief - January 10, 2012
you mean the one where we ran the exact same play back to back ? Do you really believe that with more time in the system Orton wouldnt have changed the play ?
Willie Beamon - January 9, 2012
No,
not converting fourth and an inch kept the team out. And as people say above, those two blocked kicks might have hade something to do with it as well.
hayoli - January 12, 2012
Or a tight spiral bomb to weddle for a potential win
O wait ..
chiefsman! - January 9, 2012 via mobile
LOL, what deep passes?
Tomahawk29 - January 9, 2012
Take a Close Look
If you are wondering if Cassel can throw that pass, please click here: Take a deep breath and believe your eyes. And yes, there are some tight ass throws here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcm-dv1HaN8
SullyWA2 - January 9, 2012
Truly a Cassel apologist
I used to be a staunch defender of him…even after the Baltimore loss…but he hasnt put this team on his back when he was healthy. All we got was a 4-6 record out of him.
NJChieffan16 - January 9, 2012
i know, i saw last years games but
some of those throws were to either wide open bowe, the worst pass D in the league, or a denver defense that backed off when they were up by 21. I did love the pass that Cassel threw to bowe vs the titans game though. gotta admit that.
Wrestler189s - January 9, 2012
Dude, stop flashing a highlight video to try to prove your point. really.
Show this year’s tape on him. He was a joke. Teams knew how to take care of him. It was sad watching those games, and it’s sad to see a QB consistently under 250 yards passing in a game. I feel bad for the guy, because something clearly just won’t click for him.
bossmanham - January 9, 2012
Yep.
I’ve been a Cassel apologist, too. I’ve seen great throws out of him. I’ve ooo’ed and ahh’ed over some real life NFL throws the guy has made. And I’ve seen his entire body of work. And I’m over him.
Just like Denver fans and Chicago fans re: Orton.
Big deal. He’s not the answer. He’s only still the question.
neiowakcfan - January 10, 2012
Love it. That's what I'm talking about!!!!
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
Simmer down now...
It’s day one of his job. He’s playing to his employer, employees and his media audience, not to the fans. Why would he? We might pay for it, but we don’t sign the check.
Sure, Crennel already knows what he wants to do, but we’re not going to begin to see any inkling of what that might be for another two to three weeks at least. And the QB issue? We’ll be lucky to know before the draft hath cometh.
I don’t even understand why this is an issue considering he hedged his bets (which shows he’s a wise man) and gracefully complimented both QB’s. He accepted a job and when it came to the inevitable QB talk, he went via media. There’s simply nothing more to it.
…
But I’m all for Orton taking over, thank you very much.
The Hamburglers - January 9, 2012
Orton vs. Cassel, why is it either/or?
I personally think most of the posters here are dead wrong about Cassel. He IS a good starting QB in the NFL. I also believe Orton could possibly be a good starting QB in the NFL. He certainly was in the past — at times. But to say Orton is BETTER than Cassel is completely insane and has no basis in reality.
IMO, the best possible situation next year would be Cassel, Orton and Stanzi fighting it out in open competition. I have a strong feeling that if they did that the pecking order would be just that – Cassel, Orton, Stanzi. Let’s give Cassel one more season where we don’t have half our starters injured all season and (hopefully) no BRich on the right side of the O-line. If Cassel fails then, then we should move on, but not before.
planb247 - January 9, 2012
I think the basis people use for that claim (at least the one I do) is that Orton moved the same offense better through three games than Cassel did for any three games in a row this season.
MNchiefsfan - January 9, 2012
Or last
zalpha1 - January 9, 2012
That's such BS!
crashman6 - January 10, 2012
And Orton through balls down field accurately. After surveying the field. He can’t help when he hits a guy in the hands and they drop it. If Bowe would have caught one, Succop would have made one of two, or we held one long pass from happening, no one would be saying that Cassel is better than Orton or any other QB on the roster.
zalpha1 - January 9, 2012
Orton is an interception MACHINE.
Always has been.
Always will be.
Cassel > Orton
DivineGrace - January 10, 2012
Liar.
Orton: 57 interceptions for 2204 attempts = 38.7 int/attempt
Cassel: 45 interceptions for 1767 attempts = 39.3 int/attempt
Brsrkr - January 10, 2012
Wait... but...
I’ve heard he throws a lot of interceptions…
JayhawksNChiefs - January 10, 2012
Yes, he throws 1.5% more interceptions than Cassel. HUUUUGE difference.
Brsrkr - January 10, 2012
You got it backwards my friend...
57 Int / 2204 Attempts is NOT 38.7
2203 Attempts / 57 Int IS 38.7.
The numbers you used (38.7 and 39.3) are how many Attempts it takes before an Interception is thrown (Attempts / Int). Cassel is BETTER in the Attempts / Int stats, but if you want to look at Int / Attempt…
Orton has a 2.58% chance of an attempt ending in an interception. (The REAL Int/attempt stat…i.e. 57 / 2204))
Cassel has a 2.54% chance of an attempt ending in an interception. (i.e. 45 / 1767).
What I should have said is Orton is a TURNOVER (interceptions/fumbles lost) machine.
Orton has 75 turnovers (57 Int + 18 fumbles lost)
Cassel has 56 turnovers (45 Int + 11 fumbles lost)
Orton has a 3.40% chance of a turnover per attempt (turnovers / attempts…i.e. 75 TO’s / 2204)
Cassel has a 3.17% chance of a turnover per attempt (turnovers / attempts…i.e. 56 TO’s / 1767)
Orton turns the ball over more then Cassel. PERIOD.
Cassel also has more TDs/attempt (4.30% chance of a TD per attempt) than Orton (3.63%)
Cassel also has a better Career QBR (82.5) than Orton (79.4)
Cassel also has a better Career comp % (59.0%) than Orton (58.3%)
Cassel is BETTER then Orton in every meaningful way.
Neither is the QBOTF….that my friend is Ricki Stanzi.
DivineGrace - January 10, 2012
Cassel has a lower chance
But Orton takes more chances resulting sometimes into TD’s… ALOT of cassel’s sacks came from him not risking the INT and getting hit and eventually hurt… so, can you blame the O-line?? or cassel just not wanting to risk the INT?? also Cassel does alot of things wrong as QB, his vision isn’t as good, his Awareness flexuates depending on the pressure, while i saw Orton get blasted and still throw the ball down the field for a completion.. Cassel doesn’t go through reads, so you’re also not going to throw as many picks cause you see the guy is covered so you either A: hold onto the ball or B: checked it down, while Orton would of moved on to the next WR and possibly not have seen a defender sitting in the throwing lane picking the ball off… personally me i would rather have Orton throwing a pick cause i know had he saw that guy in the throwing lane he wouldn’t of thrown it, where as Cassel would of lost us yards by taking a sack or getting our RB punished cause cassel leads his right into a guy cause he’s afraid of getting hit… only thing i MIGHT give Cassel over Orton is leadership but then again, Orton publically comes out saying he wants to prove himself to his team which is taking leadership to a whole new level… forget about stats they are worthless, and focus on how Cassel progresses through the QB motion and you can clearly see Orton as the better QB…
BlackDoom - January 10, 2012
Agreed that my math was bad this morning.
But these are surface stats, and they don’t show a significant difference. Even if they did, basic career stats in football are extremely iffy because of all the big differences between teams from year to year.
If you want to see some more interesting statistics, go over to kwhite’s “dorky” thread where she cited some FO numbers. Or, just use your eyes and see which QB throws a more consistently accurate pass.
I’ll agree that Cassel is good at a lot of things. But he is not a better passer than Orton.
Brsrkr - January 10, 2012
So Orton is a bett 'passer' the Cassel???
Based on what?
…TDs to Attemps? Cassel wins 4.30% of pass resulting in TD compaired to Orton @ 3.63%. (BlackDoom: Orton takes more chances and it results in more Intceptions…not TD as Cassel has a lower Int% and higher TD%).
…Career QBR? Cassel wins again with 82.5 compaired to Orton’s 79.4.
…Career comp%? Cassel is better yet AGAIN with 59.0% compaired to Orton’s 58.3%.
…Wins vs Losses? Cassel is better again (Since 2009 Cassel 18-23, Orton 14-23)
…Best single season? Cassel takes it again (11-5) vs Orton (10-5…his rookie year).
I get that Cassel ‘looks’ lost sometimes, but the NFL isn’t about who looks better (Orton…and he does ‘look better’ then Cassel), but who performs better (Cassel in EVERY way that is meaningful)
DivineGrace - January 15, 2012
LOL again these numbers are silly and your claims are silly man . Where does this stuff come from ? Both Matt and Orton take good care of the ball anyone who tries to argue this is foolish and pushing agendas
Orton has never thrown more than 13 picks in a season ……sit down
This year there are 17 Qbs who have thrown as many or more than that …turnover machine ?
people need to stop picking arbitrary stats and trying to argue them its crazy .
Willie Beamon - January 10, 2012
Okay, so you repeated that, so I will repeat this:
When has Cassel ever played with high ankle sprains, a dislocated finger on his throwing hand, bruised ribs on both sides?
When has Cassel played with a poor running game? — Oh, that’s right, after Charles was injured. How did that work out? Check out Orton’s first 11 games in 2010, when he was healthy but still had NO running game to speak of. He didn’t do much . . . average 306 yds/game, 20 TDs, 6 INTs, 106.0 QBR. Did Cassel do that after Charles was injured?
If you are going to run such comparisons, please run fair comparisons and include all the factors. sigh
AZDynamics - January 10, 2012
What is the bottom line of Orton in KC? Let me tell you.
After 3 games…
1 TD (In a game we LOST)
2 Picks
He has done Jack and sh!t, and looking at the pics posted of Mr. Orton he drank all the Jack.
DivineGrace - January 10, 2012
actually the bottomline is we we went 2-1 and shouldve been 3-0. I cant help but laugh at all the people who think that somehow the oaching staff gave a damn about Ortons stats when they are caoching for there future
AND ORTONS A FREE AGENT LOL
Willie Beamon - January 10, 2012
He moved the offense more consistently than Cassel
MNchiefsfan - January 10, 2012
Yes
and this led to much better time of posession for our offense, which led to the other team having less time to scor and a better rested defense. All of that led to more wins.
hayoli - January 12, 2012
Cassel hasn't been the same since he had his appendix removed.
Am I the only one who sees this? The guy was tearing it up and making all his throws. Getting better. Then he had that emergency appendectomy…. I rest my case. We need a new qb running the show.
Shank Williams Jr - January 9, 2012 via mobile
He no longer has the guts he used to.
Tarkus - January 9, 2012
+1
Ren - January 9, 2012 via iPhone app
+2
:-D
neiowakcfan - January 10, 2012
-1
Appendix that is
DivineGrace - January 10, 2012
Shank I saw things differently
Before his injury this season I saw Cassel (when he had 3 or 4 seconds) starting to look at the #2 and #3 routes before moving to the checkdown. In that 4 game winning streak he was making a lot of progress in two areas in which he didn’t do well in 2010, dancing around in the pocket, and moving to his checkdown too early, even when given time in the pocket.
His arm strength is never going to be great, but he had a good season in 2010 and needed to improve in some specific areas that have been addressed eleventy times on AP. I saw improvement in those areas in 2011, beginning after the team finished training camp right before we played Minnesota =)
That being said, we do not want to be in a situation where we are in playoff contention and then see our season go up in flames because we lack a back-up QB worth a damn.
I think this is the best road forward, and we have the money to do it.
Try to sign Orton with the understanding he is in an open QB competition for 2012. He may choose to leave for an uncontested starting job, or he may think KC offers him better Super Bowl chances this late in his career. Let’s assume he stays.
Either Cassel or Orton will start, the other will be the back-up. If we don’t think Stanzi is our guy in the near future, we will continue to look for him in the draft, but likely not in the first. We can win the division and a playoff game with either Cassel or Orton at QB in 2012, especially if we continue to shore up both lines through the draft.
PVChiefsfan - January 9, 2012
well said I hope pioli will do it
Ren - January 9, 2012 via iPhone app
LMAO,, LOL AhahahaAh.
Best Joke ever.
zalpha1 - January 9, 2012
Most of you have probably said it better already, but ....
it sounds as though Romeo would prefer Orton but doesn’t hold all of the cards for that. He’s not going to trash Cassel, as there is a better than even chance that he will have to go with him. Still, you can’t consider his statements about him as effusive praise, in my opinion.
I think right now we’re stuck choosing between pimento loaf and bologna at QB. Sure they take care of your hunger and it’s better than not eating, but that top round roast beef over there sure looks better, huh?
etp_stl - January 9, 2012
MATT FLYNN FOR QB!!!!
Cut Cassel, I’d like him as a back up, but $10 mill/year for a back up is too much. Sign Orton to a 5 yr deal, low money, plan on him as a back up, and bring in Matt Flynn!!! Orton starts for the next two years, then Flynn/Stanzi after.
It’s perfect!
Ole_Miss_Guy - January 9, 2012
Flynn's gonna want starter money.
neiowakcfan - January 10, 2012
Don't read anyone's posts but your own?
electriclight - January 10, 2012
I know Romeo was addressing the QB situation and keeping his options open...
but I wanted him to say
Orton, Stanzi, and a rookie
Streetcleaner - January 9, 2012
doesnt matter to me since it sounds like we get a game manager if lucky as is
but eventually the manzi will rise, and take the reigns
SDChief - January 10, 2012
'Bout the same time he grows an Adam's apple.
Brsrkr - January 10, 2012
Cassel VS. Orton
i know for sure, the last 3 years when Cassel dropped back to pass he made me nervous… always looking at just 1 WR then checkdown, his footwork was horrible and looked like he could trip over his own feet at any time when dropping back, on top of that his awareness drops drastically when he feels pressure, and also his arm wasn’t that good on the deep ball.. During Orton’s first game against GB i didn’t get the feeling of any of that… also most of you on AP agreed saying that Cassel made you nervous when he drops back… also, how many backside shoulder passes did cassel throw?? none he always threw it in front of them or way behind or way over the head (hell our WR’s like Bowe and Baldwin couldn’t even catch the backside shoulder passes to begin with cause Cassel seriously NEVER threw one on purpose)… Orton hits his WR in stride, cassel does not… that right there should prove that Orton is a better QB than Cassel… ALL of that Cassel should already know how to do because he sat behind Brady for a few years…
BlackDoom - January 10, 2012
what?
only looking at one receiver? you need to go back and look at the game film. your hatred of Cassel is obscuring the truth, my friend.
planb247 - January 11, 2012
I think not
Cassel is notorious for staring a receiver down and not going through progressions well.
hayoli - January 12, 2012
but thats just me
also the guy that traded Cassel and picked up T.J. Yates in Madden 2011, then in Madden 2012 i traded him again and used a nobody cause he was even better than Cassel… Cassel was a horrible deal and was basicly forced upon us as fans the second Pioli got here… i still say to this day, Vrable was the better of the two in that trade, i also give alot to Vrable and Crennel for DJ’s consistency…
BlackDoom - January 10, 2012
I'm no jeenyus
but in my opinion Matt Cassel proved he was a viable starting NFL quarterback before he even became a Chief. With enough OL protection and the right weapons to throw to he tore up every NFL team he faced when he took over for Tom Brady in his last season with the Pats and at that time they had a tougher schedule than the Chiefs have had in a while. Hall of Fame QBs don’t come along very often. He makes mistakes but so did John Elway. So does Tom Brady. So does Peyton Manning. Don’t write him off until we’ve given him EVERY chance to succeed. I to am tired of Mediocre football but I really feel like we’re headed in the right direction. Please quit hatin. we’ll soon be celebratin.
chiefsfan1962 - January 13, 2012
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