While the Chiefs have a couple of highly coveted free agent targets to take care of already, the New Orleans Saints also have a situation brewing with three names and (likely) not enough money for everyone. It's a situation in the Big Easy that a team like the Chiefs should pay close attention to.
The names involved are all major players: Drew Brees, Marques Colston and Carl Nicks. There's no doubt the team will negotiate a new long-term deal with its star quarterback. But the question marks come in when discussing Colston and Nicks. One is a star receiver who could become the main attraction in the open market. The other is a star guard who could also become the prime offensive lineman available.
Dan Pompei discussed Colston's situtation in today's Sunday Blitz at the National Football Post:
It’s possible Marques Colston will be a former Saint in the near future. The Saints have made no attempts to re-sign the star wide receiver up to this point. The front office has been pre-occupied with trying to work out a new deal for Drew Brees. If the Saints can’t sign Brees, they likely will use the franchise tag on him, giving them one less way to retain Colston. Also complicating the issue is the pending free agency of guard Carl Nicks. Given the cash outlay this team will be facing, the Saints may have to choose between Colston and Nicks.
The Chiefs could be affected in one of two ways on this one. If the team decides to stick with Nicks and Brees and consequently let Colston walk this off-season, there's suddenly some significant competition for Dwayne Bowe. It's possible that Colston's available could bring Bowe's price down a tad. It's a simple case of supply and demand, so another top shelf receiver hits the market.
Nicks is another case entirely as he could (and should) be the type of impact player the Chiefs could bring in along the offensive line. No matter what else is happening along the offensive line -- whether Casey Wiegmann retires or not, whether the Chiefs keep Ryan Lilja -- Nicks would become a great addition.
The Pro Bowl guard would immediately change the face of the line and allow the Chiefs to have depth in 2012 -- something they never had in 2011 when Steve Maneri was the first back-up at tackle and Rodney Hudson backed up all three interior positions. Lilja could become valuable in depth and help in case Hudson somehow isn't ready after his rookie season.
Either way, the Saints FA situation should affect the Chiefs in some way. It's one of several interesting plots to follow in the upcoming NFL free agency period.
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it'll be interesting to watch
But, I’ll say I again, I don’t think the Chiefs will win the bidding war for Nicks
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Me neither
I think Dallas will get him.
Nick Britt - February 12, 2012
Can Dallas afford him?
jmcgoblue - February 12, 2012
they or Philly will find a way
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
If that's the case
We could probably trade back with Cincy to #17 & still land DeCastro
jmcgoblue - February 12, 2012
I think trading down would be nice gamble to take
Best case scenrio: DeCastro is still there
Worst case scenario: Draft a RT
Either way, we likely land a high-level O-Lineman for the next 10-12 years.
Nick Britt - February 12, 2012
that'd be fantastic
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
I'd love that scenario
as long as we go TE in the second. If we were somehow able to snag Nicks in Free agency then I’d be disappointed if we did anything other than trade down, well unless Reiff is sitting there
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
Brees in KC....
RememberDelaney37 - February 12, 2012 via mobile
he can throw bombs to the tooth fairy
While Santa Claus converts on short yardage
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Pioli should call up and offer him 200 mil 5 yr
With 75 mil guaranteed. Post haste.
bossmanham - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Give him the biggest contract in league history without even batting an eye
To say the least.
RememberDelaney37 - February 12, 2012 via mobile
i am sure the Saints wont even let him sniff FA
Nor would he consider leaving
Or if he did, NO would match any offer
He’s not going anywhere
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Agreed.
I’m not even thinking of him as a (potential) free agent. To me he’s a Saint working out the final details of his next contract.
Tarkus - February 12, 2012
Worst case, he will be franchise tagged
RememberDelaney37 - February 12, 2012 via mobile
If he does, he's on the market
And I would give up to first round picks in a heartbeat to get to sign that guy.
There’s no way they let that happen. Because someone WILL give up the two first rounders to sign him.
MNchiefsfan - February 12, 2012
just because the picks are offered doesn't mean the Saints have to trade
they can franchise and still keep him.
Your_Moms_Boyfriend - February 13, 2012
yea but 2 first rounders?
TheScreenName - February 13, 2012 via mobile
I agree hes not going anywhere
but if Im the Chiefs with the space that they have Im throwing so much money at him that he blinks just to send a message that we are willing to spend $$$ to get what we want.
slackator - February 12, 2012
And then lose a draft pick for tampering
Tarkus - February 12, 2012
I'm not sure even Santa Claus
could convert short yardage with out OL.
AZDiamond75 - February 12, 2012
where does Mims fit into this fantasy
trentchiefsfan - February 13, 2012
Do the Saints come to town this season?
Tarkus - February 12, 2012
I believe we're heading to New Orleans.
bamachief5558 - February 12, 2012
but hes too short he'll never be an NFL QBslackator - February 12, 2012
I gotta say, this
Is one of the more disturbing images AP has ever put in my brain.
MtHammer - February 12, 2012
I didn't even see that when I read over it.
Nice catch
nateforchiefs - February 12, 2012
Oh crap!
Good (brown) eye!
Tarkus - February 12, 2012
I'm gonna be honest with you, Tarkus.
Those were some pretty shitty puns.
MtHammer - February 12, 2012
Perhaps he...
Pulled them out of his ass?
ArrowSpread - February 12, 2012
Scat's funny.
Tarkus - February 12, 2012
Youse guys are regular
Commodians
dklogue1 - February 12, 2012
Corrected.
haha, thanks man. Can’t believe that.
Matt Conner - February 12, 2012
There is such a huge gap between Marques Colston and Dwayne Bowe
I’d never forgive this franchise if they were to replace Bowe with Colston
JC25FoMVP - February 12, 2012
You're joking right?
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
Not only are his numbers better than Colston's
But, Huard, Croyle, Thigpen, Cassel, and Palko were his QB’s. Drew Brees is one of if not the best regular season QB’s in the league of the past decade. You all are off your rocker if you think the two even remotely compare. He dropped one pass against Oakland and you guys act like he’s the scum of the earth. Despicable.
JC25FoMVP - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Might want to double check your numbers if you're going with that argument.
GenericBrand - February 12, 2012
oh, he only dropped 1 pass?
Or did he have 12 and was second in the league in drops.
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
How did he drop 12 passes?
Are they counting every time he put a finger tip on the ball? And if he did drop 12 passes, how many were actually significant?
All I’m saying is Dwayne Bowe has gotten the double teams for the majority of his career and has had horrible QB play in comparison to Marques Colston. Marques Colston is a top 20 WR, but I dont see how anybody could trust him being the focal point of an offense like Dwayne Bowe.
JC25FoMVP - February 12, 2012
I posted some links below if you wanna look further into it
Bowe catches 57% of the balls thrown his way, Colston catches 75%
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
i also dont think Bowe was 2nd in the league in drops this year
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
he was
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=&type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
counter point
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/17/drop-rate-2011-which-receivers-are-dropping-the-ball/
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
drops are very subjective
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
link isn't coming up for me
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
hmm
Google PFF WR drop rate?
Breaston and Colston are top 10 lowest drop rate… bowe is NOT on the list of worst (highest) drop rates
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
but in that link they give MORE drops to some guys on the list
Bowe could be 21st for all we know
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
21st isnt "2nd in the league in drops"
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
well now you're comparing 'rate' to actual numbers
He still could be 2nd in the league in drops
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
sure
But, again Megatron and Fitz were on that list too… so measuring a WR by total # of “drops” is questionable at best
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
They weren't on that list I posted of total number of drops
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
my bad
That was on the completion percentage
But, still
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Right, and Colston was right there with those guys
Not Bowe
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
i take that back
I was talking about “passes not caught”
Fitz and Calvin were there w Bowe
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
too many stats to twist in anyones favor
I use them as a guideline. And I see Bowe drop too many passes, especially in crunch time
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
and those guys werent on the list
Of best completion %
But, I would take em
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Ok, i'm looking at that link
I see Colston near the top and I don’t see Bowe anywhere. How does this change anything?
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
see above
They list the 10 best and 10 worst
Bowe is not among them… which leads me to believe he’s NOT the 2nd worst pass dropper in the league.
I also think drops are a tricky stat, as it’s subjective whether it was the QBs fault or, WR
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
My point is
Colston clearly catches the ball better than Bowe and has none of the attitude issues
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
i havent seen an attitude issue out of Bowe
And, he’s put up great #s with mediocre-to-craptastic QBs.
It was VERY clear that he is a HUGE part of KCs offese… so, trying to poke holes in his game and character are pointless
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
What kind have attitude have you seen out of Bowe the last couple seasons?
ArrowSpread - February 12, 2012
Because Haley wasn't letting it fly
I think with a more lenient coach like RAC he can get out of hand again. Especially if he gets a big payday
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
pure speculation
But, ok
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
agreed
just what I think. I also though Houston was gonna flop badly, see how that one turned out?
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
haha, yeah
I have been wrong WAY more than right when trying to predict things w KC
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
You keep throwing this drop stat out without any context
Brees throws a much more catchable than ANYone that has EVER thrown to Bowe.
ArrowSpread - February 12, 2012
PFF looks at all drops and if it was on the QB they dont count it as a drop by the reciever.
thats actually a great site and where they have bowe is where he probably should be. pretty sure they have him as the #12 overall reciever anyone know where they have colston?
kc-twitch - February 12, 2012
Bowe isn't on the list at all
I looked at it. Colston is number 4 however
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
he's talking about a different list
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
The guy throwing the ball factors in quite a bit
Fitz was arguably the best receiver in the league when Warner was chucking him the rock.
ArrowSpread - February 12, 2012
Huge gap?
How so?
nateforchiefs - February 12, 2012
If you go look at Colstons numbers
you would probably think the gap vanished
TheScreenName - February 12, 2012
I agree that Colston's numbers are inflated by a great QB
That said, he’s still clearly a very good WR, who’s got good size, good speed, and great hands.
If Bowe walked and we got Colston I wouldn’t be thrilled, but I wouldn’t be devasted either. Colston is the inferior WR, but not so much so that it’d be worth getting too mad about.
MNchiefsfan - February 12, 2012
I dont think there is amuch of a gap between Colston and Bowe
but I think Bowe with a great QB, would be crazy good.
Yea I dont think I would be too mad either at the move. Rather keep Bowe but things happen
TheScreenName - February 13, 2012
Let Bowe walk and sign Colston
Guy is quiet, and unbelievably hard worker, and rarely drops a ball. I would personally much rather have Colston than Bowe. Under a lenient coach like RAC, Bowe could become a distraction again
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
agreed
Bowe is twice the receiver Colston is.
franzbot - February 12, 2012 via Android app
How do you say agreed
and then state the opposite of what I said.
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
was agreeing with JC25’s original statement. must have hit wrong button or something. Bowe is head and shoulders above Colston in my opinion. similar #’s with very different QB situations.
franzbot - February 12, 2012 via Android app
Same numbers, half as many drops
and only started 7 games last year. Sounds like Colston is better than Bowe just based on numbers
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
very different situations
colstons came from one of the most prolific passing offenses and Bowes came from one of the most pathetic. think if Bowe had breed;-)
franzbot - February 12, 2012 via Android app
brees not breed
stupid auto correct
franzbot - February 12, 2012 via Android app
Think if Colston played on a team where there wasn't 3-4 high quality WRs?
GenericBrand - February 12, 2012
Colston is good and plays a similar system
Colston drops quite a bit also. I think Bowe is slightly better than him, but both should sign for about the same money, so why gamble?
Just re-sign Bowe.
Nick Britt - February 12, 2012
Link on Colston dropping "quite a bit"?
GenericBrand - February 12, 2012
He doesn't
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
agree that Colston doesnt drop many
But Bowe’s drops are blown out of proportion, and should no longer be an issue
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Really? He has gotten better. But still.
Mr.Pibbs - February 12, 2012
if you think Bowe's drops were a significant issue this year
You didn’t se the play of the: QB, RT, SS “depth”, FS “depth”, LG, TE “depth”
I think there are CLEARLY things for this team to worry about, Bowe isn’t one of them
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Colston had as many significant drops as Bowe.
Though I guess when the game is 31-9 at halftime those drops become insignificant.
ravenhawk - February 12, 2012
I posted a couple links just below
Check those out
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
agreed.
Somebody will overpay for Bowe. It’ll come down to money. Both are good blocking WRs but Colston is more consistent and drops less. He is, however, injured more (but that Saints turf is tough… see Willie Roaf). There are other receivers out there besides just these two. Bowe is very replaceable. I’m real high on Laurent Robinson but he may be a slot receiver/#3 or #4. That dude was money last season. Of course he had Romo throwing to him. I’m not sure it matters who our receivers are with Cassel. He only throws to one of them, usually the #1 and possibly a TE outlet or RB. Orton spreads the ball around and makes the defense earn their money. We need a real QB to attract some of these WRs. I think we have to resign orton as a priority and then sort out the WRs after the crazy money gets thrown around. None of the good ones are going to want to play with Cassel. I’m all for signing Nicks regardless and a good NT Soliai?, too.
Nicoloco - February 12, 2012
I think I would rather have bowe still.
thought I read colston drops balls also, I would have to assume bowe is bigger faster stronger and if they both drop balls give me bowe.
kc-twitch - February 12, 2012
Colston is bigger than Bowe
Same speed
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
Bowe was 2nd in the league in drops last year
Colston wasn’t even in the top 20. So worst case scenario Bowe drops twice as many balls as Colston, literally
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
so bowe is just stronger and better blocker, more productive, just fast, slightly smaller, yea I will take bowe.
kc-twitch - February 12, 2012
Ok, again. not more productive and based on playing time he is actually less productive
I’m gonna say there is probably no difference in strength or blocking ability. Just admit you’re blindly supporting Bowe for no other reason than you like him more and we can end this silly debate.
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
More productive?
GenericBrand - February 12, 2012
He does have the benefit of playing with brees but also sees less snaps and less targets then Bowe.
They’re actual numbers for an normal season are probably about equal but Colston does it with about 40-50% less targets.
GenericBrand - February 12, 2012
These are 2 pretty good stats, not an all telling story but a good glimpse
This is percentage of passes caught: Check for Colston
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=055
This is number of passes not caught: Check for Bowe
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=107
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
Bowe catches 57% of balls thrown his way
Colston catches 75%
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
Bowe has Matty & Tyler throwing to him
Colston has the most accurate passer in NFL history. Put Bowe in NO & people would be calling him the best WR in the league.
jmcgoblue - February 12, 2012
If Colston didn't have to split targets with about 5 other serious weapons
the same could be said about him
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
Maybe you're right, honestly I've never paid close attention to him
I doubt he’ll be a Saint next year (because of the 5 other targets), so I guess we’ll see.
jmcgoblue - February 12, 2012
What about health?
Colston seems a little injury prone. IMO drops are hard to gauge between the two due to The QB situation. Bree’s leads the receiver and puts the ball on the right shoulder almost every time. Yes Bowe drops what look like easy catches but most of the time the ball is in the wrong place. Now at the sametime IMO I don’t think that is an excuse. I think they are both great receivers and honestly I would like to keep home grown talent first.
groundedchevy - February 12, 2012
Colston broke his collar bone once
And Ronde Barber broke his thumb with his helmet on a hit. Thats about it as far as injuries go
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
Good QBs have a way of making WRs look a lot better than they are
I think Colston is good, but no reason why you go with him over Bowe.
Nick Britt - February 12, 2012
Drops and personality are the 2 things that make me rather have Colston than Bowe
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
The guy has yet to start for 16 games in a season...
He gets banged a bit more than you let on. Quite a bit more than your collarbone-thumb report.
ArrowSpread - February 12, 2012
false he started 16 games twice 15 games once
and 14 games twice. Try again
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
Check the 'Games Started (GS)' column...
of pro football reference.
ArrowSpread - February 12, 2012
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ColsMa00.htm
ArrowSpread - February 12, 2012
NFL.com I'm gonna trust the site for the league he plays in
http://www.nfl.com/player/marquescolston/2495821/profile
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
That works also
Check the ‘GS’ column. The one for games started.
Actually, NFL.com has him at one less game started (again, ‘GS’), than pro football reference.
ArrowSpread - February 12, 2012
yea, can't find where I got the first numbers
but starts don’t indicate if he was healthy or not. It’s number of games played in
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
Seems to me the #1 would start every game possible.
At any rate, I know for a fact he’s had to have his knee scoped, which you left off your collarbone-thumb report.
ArrowSpread - February 12, 2012
Everyone in the nfl gets scoped at one time or another
and not true, NO runs different offensive packages all the time, so if he wasn’t on the field for the very first play what does that matter? He’s been over a thousand yards every year except the thumb year.
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
And Brees has thrown to him the whole time.
Or does that not matter… ? Does a more accurate quarterback increase the production of his receivers?
ArrowSpread - February 12, 2012
of course it does
It’s a team thing
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
Right...
So when making the case of which is a better receiver, that’s just as much in the forefront of the conversation.
ArrowSpread - February 12, 2012
All of this really doesn't matter, anyway.
Bowe would be a better receiver with Brees throwing to him, without a doubt. Colston would be a worse receiver with Cassel/Palko/Huard/Thigpen/Brodie throwing to him. Without a doubt.
ArrowSpread - February 12, 2012
exactly
Colston is never doubled due to his supporting cast and his offense. Bowe is always having coverage atleast rolled his way. Colston is good but his success has been inflated do to his situation. I would worry about the drop off with him in our offense. Bowe has proven he can be our 1wr.
franzbot - February 12, 2012 via Android app
before he had such a supporting cast
he set the record for the most receptions in his first 2 seasons in NFL history
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
So if Colston is sharing the field with 'serious weapons'
is it safe to say he isnt the only focus of the opponents defence as Bowe has been
ottawachiefsfan - February 12, 2012
very true
but he is clearly their number 1 receiver so he gets the attention of defenses. I could argue that other people are more productive because of him and not the other way around.
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
he is NO's #1
and is a solid reciever. I would love to have him in KC. I just think that the numbers wouldnt be so comparable if the situations were.
ottawachiefsfan - February 12, 2012
Bowe is a #1 WR as well
And one of the most valuable players on the Chiefs… the offense doesn’t work without him
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
The offense really hasn't been working with or without him
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
you cant honestly tell me you dont see a difference
Watch the game late this year where Bowe was out the 2nd half… the offense went from moving the ball to not moving it real quick… happens every time he’s out.
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
I know i know. I was more joking there
I’m not saying Bowe isn’t a really good receiver. He is. I’m just saying in my humble opinion Colston is better
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
Colston is great for NO
Bowe is better for KC, IMHO
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
notice 3 recievers for NO was ranked top 20 in the drop rate as best?
think maybe brees and the NO system has something to do with that?
kc-twitch - February 12, 2012
perhaps
Like how all Colts WRs were awesome until Peyton got hurt…
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
who thought they were awesome?
I sure as hell didn’t. Colston is different than those guys
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
they were pretty effin good
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
You know that does make you think a little?
kind of scares you a little knowing it could be a system helping colston just like a system can hurt someone like ochocinco, I think I would much rather stay with bowe we already know what he is all about and its not bad at all when you think about it.
kc-twitch - February 12, 2012
And another thing is
I can think of 3 games right off the top of my head that we lost as a direct result of Bowe dropping a ball
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
You have to be kidding
would you agree there is a LARGE difference in QB quality that each of those recievers have?
ottawachiefsfan - February 12, 2012
150% I agree. MC is terrible
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
and Brees is awesome.
ottawachiefsfan - February 12, 2012
bowe's in the company of Fitz and Megatron on that link
Pretty much means it’s a non-issue
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
not necessarily
If you look at the percentage its pretty low, he is targeted a lot
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
bowe's drop percentage is pretty low
He IS targeted a lot
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
I'm not saying you are wrong about Bowe and Colston...
But those are absolutely horrible stats. They count every single limp noodle armed pass that palko threw in the direction of Bowe. Those two sites have the worst QB bias that you could possibly find, because they don’t even tell you how many passes hit each receiver in the hands.
rondon - February 12, 2012
thought bowe was ranked #12 overall on PFF?
where is colston ranked?
kc-twitch - February 12, 2012
nothing huh? would think you would jump on this but obviously bowe is ranked higher by a site who actually records everything.
kc-twitch - February 12, 2012
show me the link
I have no clue what you are talking about
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
Colston is ranked #5 on PFF
MNchiefsfan - February 12, 2012
and gets open where Bowe doesn't
dubld - February 12, 2012
Nicks is a luxury
why pay top dollar for a G when that’s a position that’s pretty easy to address late in the draft. Pioli has also proven his eye for OL.
SillyHatDay - February 12, 2012
With who? Collin Brown?
HIV 2 Elway - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Yeah, I'm not sure I'd go with "proven."
It seems like Asamoah has worked out very well, we’ll have to see about Hudson.
Neither of them were late round picks, though.
MtHammer - February 12, 2012
i think Asamoah and Hudson are both studs
The 2nd/3rd round is a clear sweet spot for interior OL picks
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Yea, having one of the top, if not THE top interior lineman in the NFL is luxury pick
Especially when our LG gets thrown around like a ragdoll most of the time
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
Why?
Regarded by many as the best Guard in the game right now – has a mean streak and plays with ferocity. On top of that, he’s not very old at 26, so he has many years of production ahead of him. He’s never missed a single game and he’s a physical monster – 6’5" 343 lbs.
Now, that being said I doubt we go after him, but I wouldn’t bat an eye if we did and I wouldn’t care if we paid out the nose to get him (as long as it wasn’t at the expense of other needs).
Nicks, Hudson, and Asamoah in the interior… ho-leeee-shit.
Ochophosphate - February 12, 2012
I'm ok with getting Colston is Bowe leaves town through walking or trade
Colston+Carr > Bowe+no Carr
GenericBrand - February 12, 2012
I will take bowe plus terrell thomas vs colston plus carr.
kc-twitch - February 12, 2012
No way Thomas hits open market.
And he’s not even in the same realm as Carr for quality.
GenericBrand - February 12, 2012
why not? they have aaron ross and prince they drafted from nebraska?
besides thomas was hurt last year. should be cheaper maybe.
kc-twitch - February 12, 2012
Ross is a FA
I just think they’ll go with Thomas over Ross and really for the money Carr is eons more value then either of those two guys.
GenericBrand - February 12, 2012
seems totally off subject but, reading about nicks makes me wonder?
personally I dont want nicks for the price he wants even if we do have all the money in the world right now but, I do want grubbs who should cost a ton also but not as much as nicks, question is what are the odds grubbs hits the market? good? not good? why will he leave, why will he stay?
figured I would ask this in a comment rather than post since its so small and kind of pointless.
kc-twitch - February 12, 2012
Almost 100% chance he hits the open market
They’re hand is pretty forced when it comes to franchise tag because of Ray Rice
GenericBrand - February 12, 2012
Their*
GenericBrand - February 12, 2012
The only way I wouldnt be completely P.o.'d if the Chiefs let go of Bowe
Would be if he was replaced with Coldton or Vincent Jackson. I think Bowe is much better then both but at least then I wouldn’t be completely flat out mad
AaronMannicci - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Remember if we let Bowe go and get one of those guys....
There’s a very good chacnce we get an extra 3rd rounder in next years draft.
GenericBrand - February 12, 2012
Don't get compensatory picks if you also sign free agents
It has to be a net loss. So if the only move we made was lose Bowe and sign Colston we likely wouldn’t get a pick.
HIV 2 Elway - February 12, 2012 via mobile
We'll be losing enough FAs this year to get comp picks.
I can see alot of guys being allowed to walk. Not to mention if you’re going to lose a guy like Bowe and Orton, with the potential of those comp picks being high, Pioli will make sure he gets them.
GenericBrand - February 12, 2012
2013 Comp picks
so issue is moot
Steve_Chiefs - February 12, 2012
Colston+3rd rounder > Bowe.
GenericBrand - February 12, 2012
I dont like vincent jackson for some reason, cant tell you why just dont trust him on another team?
kc-twitch - February 12, 2012
I hear you
He sat a whole year because of temper tantrum… probably not a team player. I’d stay away from him, too.
Nicoloco - February 12, 2012
Question, Nicks or Soliai?
They’ll both get similar money, so which one would make the Chiefs a better team?
jmcgoblue - February 12, 2012
Simillar money?
Nicks will be the highest paid guard in the league and will get somewhere in the range of 10+M$. Soiliai is a 1-2 down NT who has a limited market and likely won’t get much more then 6-7 and thats probably being generous..
GenericBrand - February 12, 2012
Agreed.
But I’d also rather have Soliai. I think he fills a bigger need (and one that’s hard to draft for).
MtHammer - February 12, 2012
Agreed
Soliai(with Carr being re-signed) takes this defense from on the brink of greatness to top 5.
GenericBrand - February 12, 2012
damn skippy
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
RAC'd for truth.
MtHammer - February 12, 2012
I agree
And I think it could (along with Carr, Berry & emergence of Houston & Baily) make KC the best D in the league period.
jmcgoblue - February 12, 2012
especially if we draft...
DeCastro… It’s probably not worth it to pay a guard that much money. A tackle, however, yes. We HAVE to fix that RT spot! WEe had to last year, too, but Pioli sat in his circle-jerk. I can understand why Haley might’ve been pissed about not having an NFL right tackle seeing as Pioli has had three drafts and three offseasons to address the issue.
Nicoloco - February 12, 2012
8 years.
That is how long it takes to draft a ‘complete’ team.
The 2-14 cr@p fest that Pioli & Co. took over had MANY holes, so I am not going to be all up in arms because he addressed other needs first.
DivineGrace - February 12, 2012
Absolutely true
MNchiefsfan - February 12, 2012
sign nicks to help the oline when peyton manning comes to KC
niageriannit1 - February 12, 2012
Colston and Bowe are two very good receivers, but give me Bowe any day.
Colston has injury history. Bowe has played in 75 of 80 regular season games (in 5 seasons), and Colston has missed 31 games in 6 seasons.
Chiefs_swagger - February 12, 2012
agreed
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
correction
Colston did play in some of those games, he just didn’t start. Point still stands, the injury bug is there.
Chiefs_swagger - February 12, 2012
And players don't typically get healthier with age
jmcgoblue - February 12, 2012
One year he broke his collar bone
another year he broke his thumb. I wouldn’t really say that he’s injury prone
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
point taken
regardless of injuries he has been extremely productive.
With that said, if MC is the guy here next year, you have to think familiarity rules.
Personally, I’m okay with any true number #1 WR, and Bowe or Colston would give us that.
Chiefs_swagger - February 12, 2012
Theres a couple things that I like more with Colston
He doesn’t drop the ball and he is a quiet hard worker. Guy never opens his mouth. In the mold of an Andre Johnson, Fitz, or Calvin Johnson
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
It would only be an attempt to fix something that's not broken.
Chiefs_swagger - February 12, 2012
not necessarily true
If Bowe wants too much money, or doesn’t wanna be here, that position is pretty broken.
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
Of course, your scenario would make sense if that happened to be the case.
Chiefs_swagger - February 12, 2012
Bowe never opens his mouth.
Barely heard anything from him since importing. A lot of the times those WRs you speak of that open there mouths are usually the ones who complain about dealing with bad QBs or not getting enough money. Bowe fits both those categories and hasn’t complained or said anything public about i. And Bowe is a hard worker. Trained with Fitz to lift his game to the next level.
I think Todd Haley really had an effect on him
trentchiefsfan - February 13, 2012
I like him
but he is injury-prone, there’s no point in dancing around that.
Nicoloco - February 12, 2012
Excellent point
MNchiefsfan - February 12, 2012
if the chiefs sign peyton when he gets released, it becomes an easier sell to get bowe signed.
Why the chiefs haven’t locked up carr, is real strange, what more do the chiefs need to see, pay the man both carr and bowe.
niageriannit1 - February 12, 2012
Takes two sides to make a deal.
Tarkus - February 12, 2012
yes it does, but it makes it easier to sell
niageriannit1 - February 12, 2012
I've gotta feeling Carr hits the market if we don't franchise him
Dude wants to get paid, and rightfully so. He’s been making fifth round money until this last year.
MNchiefsfan - February 12, 2012
tom benson of the saints is real cheap owner, screwed ditka out of money when he was the coach.
Don’t rule out the fact that the saints could screw the brees thing up, and be able to see the free agent market while being tagged.
niageriannit1 - February 12, 2012
That would be a colossal F-up
I can’t imagine why they would let that happen, but if it does… hoooooey.
Ochophosphate - February 12, 2012
If they tag Brees, and we don't make an offer
I will literally scream.
MNchiefsfan - February 12, 2012
Highly doubt it
Brees wouldn’t be the guy to demand outragous money from the team. He has a strong connection with his players and the city. He wouldn’t want to leave NO over money.
trentchiefsfan - February 13, 2012
They will keep Brees and Nicks
Great QBs make great recievers. You can’t alwys find great lineman, but if you have a QB like Brees Payton Mannig or Rodgers it’s amazing how all of a sudden you have all these great recievers.
cvane - February 12, 2012
Sure seems like the wise path if you can only sign two of them.
They can easily draft a WR that would put up good numbers in that offense.
F250 - February 12, 2012
Good read on Colston
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2011/12/receiver_colston_brings_quiet.html
RamX21 - February 12, 2012
Everybody wants to be a GM
Look, the smartest thing to do is develop talent in-house and then keep that talent. Why are we talking about letting Dwayne Bowe walk to sign Colston? Bowe has basically had you, me and the ballboy as his QB and yet is elite.
Sign Bowe and Carr, get healthy, and draft well. This team will be fine.
You want to see a huge difference in the team? Man up, trade up, RGIII
Flowers24 - February 12, 2012
agreed on all counts
Keep Bowe, Carr, McClain, Gilberry, Dorsey, Albert, etc
Trade picks for Rg3, sign Soliai in FA
stagdsp - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Or trade Dorsey and see what
we have in Allen Bailey. Or sign Rogers. I’m okay with that scenario too.
shotty - February 12, 2012
rec
Steve_Chiefs - February 12, 2012
Rec
Except MAYBE on Dorsey/Gilberry.
MNchiefsfan - February 12, 2012
hey, if they add Soliai in FA...
Dorsey would be More than adequate going forward
stagdsp - February 13, 2012
Bowe>>>>>Colston
If we let Bowe go just to sign this guy I’ll be fuckin PISSED.
KCinIL - February 12, 2012
We won't know if the Chiefs "let him walk"
In any event, the Chiefs shouldn’t exit FA without a legit #1 WR to go with Baldwin and breaston. They have options in Bowe, Colston, Vincent Jackson, and Lloyd. I’d rather keep Bowe, but won’t be pissed unless we exit FA needing to draft a WR when we have other needs to focus on.
Chiefs4Life - February 12, 2012
If we get the world for him, I've always said I could understand why
But replacing him with Colston and a rookie, I just think we’ll be searching again next year for Bowes replacement. I think Colstons way over-rated
KCinIL - February 12, 2012
Fuck the Raiders...
Sorry …Off topic, I know… It’s just that bit needs to be said every once & a while to remind us of what’s important…And that is fuckin’ over the Raiders this year & next…& next & next after that …& after that ? …Yup …Again…Carry On…
KCChef - February 12, 2012
If you ask any NFL GM, guaranteed they take Bowe over Colston
Out of his two first seasons (both for 1000 yards) his best QB was Tyler Thigpen. You wouldve never even heard of Marques Colston had he been in Bowe’s situation. And then Matt Cassel and Tyler Palko for his next 3 seasons. Matt Cassel’s best day doesnt remotely compare to Drew Brees’ worst day and Tyler Palko’s best day doesn’t remotely compare to Matt Cassel’s worst day so what does that tell you about the QB play Bowe has had?
JC25FoMVP - February 12, 2012
The only Saints the Chiefs should be watching are
Shaun Rogers, Aubrayo Franklin, and possibly Robert Meachum. You can guarantee Brees and Nicks will get locked up long term, and I don’t believe Brees is okay with losing one (possibly two) of his favorite targets.
If Brees settles for less, Colston gets a new deal and they possibly find a way to keep Meachum there as well.
shotty - February 12, 2012
Also I think they keep Chase Daniels
although I’d personally like to see the Chiefs go after if possible.
shotty - February 12, 2012
Go after him that is
shotty - February 12, 2012
Isn't Daniels a restricted free agent?
not sure about trading picks for a back up QB who hasn’t proved anything
trentchiefsfan - February 13, 2012
You are correct, I missed that
I don’t know that he’d be worth trading picks for or not. If he was an UFA I wouldn’t mind them picking him up.
shotty - February 13, 2012
Franchise Bowe, trade him for a 1st and 3rd
Sign Colston?
KcChiefsMo - February 12, 2012
Colston product of system
Look at what the Saints do, they spread the field on early downs and let Brees operate with what he sees. Put Colston in a 2 WR set for a lot of snaps like we do and he will struggle. He’s not near the run blocker Bowe is nor is he a guy that defenses stay up worrying about. Bowe is a matchup nightmare and for all of those that complain about the drops, how about the great catches, like the TD in Indy.
kc785856 - February 26, 2012
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