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The Kansas City Chiefs were one of the initial teams linked to free agent CB Stanford Routt via various media reports and now comes word that Routt will actually visit the Chiefs. NFL Network's Jason La Canfora reports Routt is scheduled to visit KC on Tuesday.
Interesting, for sure. The Chiefs are probably doing some due diligence here in case CB Brandon Carr gets away in free agency. But we haven't heard anything on where they stand with Carr so it's hard to read anything into that.
On Routt, I would guess this is more of a getting-to-know-you sorta thing. Until free agency starts on March 13, he's the best free agent cornerback available, which means his value is probably a little inflated. That's not the Chiefs style to sign a guy at a time like that.
I think the Chiefs are probably doing their homework to prepare for all possibilities rather than scurrying to sign Routt, like, tomorrow.
Routt visited the Buffalo Bills on Monday. He's also been linked to the Houston Texans, Dallas Cowboys and Tennessee Titans.
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Hopefully its nothing more than them looking.
I want to see Carr in a Chiefs uniform in 2012!
Tyran - February 13, 2012
me too
But, it’s smart of Pioli to take a look-see
Could be market research, leverage, due dilligence, or maybe they just want another good CB (remember they looked at Leigh Bodden last year)
stagdsp - February 13, 2012 via mobile
Could they really tie up that much money in the secondary (by retaining Carr AND bringing in Routt)?? We have to prepare to give E Berry his big pay day in a few years too
ExRoyalsFan - February 13, 2012
Berry isn't getting paid for a while....And by the time that comes around we should have other options
Either way I’m pretty sure it’s going to be either Carr or Routt, not both. It’d be far too expensive to have elite players at all positions of the secondary.
SoCalChief17 - February 13, 2012
doubtful
I think they would ask Routt to take a big pay cut to sign here, which is one reason he won’t be a Chief
stagdsp - February 13, 2012 via mobile
I can see Dallas
really inflating the value of these FA CB’s.
ExRoyalsFan - February 13, 2012
the NFC east
Inflates values of all FAs
Dallas, Philly, Washington
But, I think Houston, Baltimore, Detroit, Tenn all have big CB needs
stagdsp - February 13, 2012 via mobile
Yeah, I know with Finnegan leaving, the Titans are definitely in the market.
TRSChief - February 13, 2012
He's going to take a pay cut wherever he plays.
Tarkus - February 13, 2012
Yeah he is
To the tune of 6 mil a year or so I’d guess
MNchiefsfan - February 13, 2012
Berry's big payday will probably be NOT restructuring his contract.
ChiefsNfl - February 13, 2012
Big payday?
Berry is already the highest paid safety in NFL history.
TRSChief - February 13, 2012
I guess my point still stands then.
ExRoyalsFan - February 13, 2012
You're assuming anyone will give Routt a contract like his previous Raiders contract
Chances we keep Carr and pay Routt like the Raiders did – pretty low.
Chances Routt gets paid like the Raiders paid him, by anyone else in the NFL – my guess is, pretty low.
TRSChief - February 14, 2012
Amen.
WillShields4ever - February 13, 2012
This is starting to make me a bit nervous
Why pay this guy big money when you could just give Carr his pay day? Seems counterproductive. Pioli and Hunt have been preaching about signing the guys they draft. Letting Carr walk and signing Routt makes no sense to me.
ExRoyalsFan - February 13, 2012
What if Carr is asking too much, and Rout can be had for significatly cheaper?
I don’t think that’s likely, but certainly a possibility.
OmahaNick - February 13, 2012
If that's the case
Then I would probably take it. Routt isn’t a terrible corner, and he’d have more help in our secondary than Oakland gave him.
I’d rather sign Carr cheaper but still….
SoCalChief17 - February 13, 2012
agreed
I would prefer Carr, but Routt would be a good consolation prize.
I would pay Carr more than Routt, btw
stagdsp - February 13, 2012 via mobile
The only scenario I won't be upset by signing Routt
Is if he comes for about 7 mil a year and Carr goes on to sign for double that somewhere.
MNchiefsfan - February 13, 2012
Finnegan
Is wanting a contract for 5 to 6 years in the $10mil/yr range… Wanting and gettting are two different things but I think with the way Carr is going to see himself and the way KC is going to look at him, I wouldnt be surprised if he and KC are $3-$4mil/yr apart in a contract. I cant see Carr wanting less money than any CB on the market this year and I dont see KC giving him more money than Flowers. I also dont see him giving KC a hometown discount.
I hate to say it but I think Carr is as good as gone this year.
KSU-Chief - February 13, 2012
Carr will get tagged before Pioli lets him walk.
chief Stevie_k - February 13, 2012
Bowe
Only if Bowe is signed… If they get the feeling that Bowe would/will take more of a KC discount they will tag him and work on a long term deal.
KSU-Chief - February 13, 2012
could see them sign bowe, sign routt, and tag carr knowing he can walk next year.
kc-twitch - February 13, 2012
well, obviously if they can come to terms with Bowe, Carr will get tagged if he won't come to terms.
the big thing is that neither one of them have re-signed yet, and you can only tag one of them…
the big question is why is this going down to the wire?
chief Stevie_k - February 13, 2012
It is going down to the wire because that is what sometimes happens with good players
Every player is different. It isnt like KC is going about this any differently than they did with Hali, JC, Flowers or DJ. Some guys have a different idea of what they are worth.
KSU-Chief - February 13, 2012
Why is every other NFL team going down to the wire with their FAs?
It happens every year. These negotiations take forever, it’s a ton of money with all sorts of incentives, bonuses, etc. to deal with.
cheapham - February 13, 2012
If it was easy
one side wouldn’t have done their job, and got screwed. That’s just the nature of negotiations, when there’s that much at stake.
Tarkus - February 13, 2012
Exactly
That’s why the raiders would announce signings all the damn time. When your owner/GM irresponsibly throws money all over the place (hence Routt’s current situation), it’s a bad situation.
cheapham - February 13, 2012
And yet all the other big names were locked up way earlier.
None of the guys who got re-signed got screwed. They got paid fairly well.
I think the point is, Carr wants more money than Flowers, and Bowe most likely thinks he is as good as Fitz, which he isn’t even on the same level.
chief Stevie_k - February 14, 2012
If they did that
They should REALLY break the bank on a NT.
Because that secondary would be LEGIT.
MNchiefsfan - February 13, 2012
if they get that feeling, Bowe should already be re-signed.
chief Stevie_k - February 13, 2012
But no matter what it'd ease the sting of losing Carr
And keep our secondary a very, very good one.
MNchiefsfan - February 13, 2012
Routt isn't well liked in Raiderland after commiting (a league high) 17 penalties for holding, PI, illegal use oth, and personal fouls
Apparently both Routt and Seymour had a bunch of whiny give up moments in 2011.
Raiders fans make him sound like a chump. Take it for what it’s worth.
Chiefs_swagger - February 13, 2012
he played for the raiders.
how could you not just give up?
chief Stevie_k - February 13, 2012
I agree
Carr is probably asking more than Flowers and knows that he’s arguably the number 1 FA in the league. Routt on the other hand just got cut for gettin paid way too much and not producing like a number 1 CB. Pioli and Routt’s agent knows that where ever he goes he’s gonna get a huge pay cut…why not sign Routt for cheap and see if you can’t win a bidding war for Carr since everyone should know that’s whats gonna end up happening.
tgitth - February 13, 2012
I like Carr, but there are really good pending FA CBs this year.
If they could get Bowe re-signed, then the whole Carr issue is basically settled for at least another year (franchise tag).
But the longer this draws out with neither unsigned, the more likely it seems we will lose one.
chief Stevie_k - February 14, 2012
This kinda scares me. I hope Carr doesn't read into it too much.
Last thing I would want is for him to think they’re already replacing him. I’d rather just pay Carr…
SoCalChief17 - February 13, 2012
I'd rather pay him if the price is right.
he should not get Flowers money or even more than Flowers.
chief Stevie_k - February 13, 2012
we have a ton of cap room.
routt would be an upgrade at nickel.
Tripower66 - February 13, 2012
I think he's more of an outside corner
Not inside. Besides, Arenas did a damn good job last season if I remember right.
SoCalChief17 - February 13, 2012
Methinks your remembery be correct
His Royal Greatness - February 13, 2012
you forgot the sarcasm font
oh wait… you were serious
Lucamachine - February 14, 2012
Even though we have cap space
It’s too much $$$$ to spend on one position.
ExRoyalsFan - February 13, 2012
Interesting that they're having a visit
Routt is a good corner. Just not 14 mil a year good.
Could be a “move” when negotiating with Carr to make the agent nervous.
Could be genuine interest because they already know Carr isn’t going to sign for us.
At any rate, I’ll be LESS upset about losing Carr if we have a capable #2 CB here.
MNchiefsfan - February 13, 2012
I'm not sure the Chiefs should sign him
He was caught on camera scissoring with a member of the St. Louis Rams.
Chief-blinders-on - February 13, 2012
Nah
Just a little Sweet Chin Music
His Royal Greatness - February 13, 2012
I guess Laurent Robinson didn't like him picking off that pass.
Chief-blinders-on - February 13, 2012
It would be awesome
to see D-Bowe or Baldwin dropkick Champ Bailey if he picked off one of Cassel’s passes in front of him.
His Royal Greatness - February 13, 2012
Kung Fu!
LadyChief - February 13, 2012
Ha! Nice...
MNchiefsfan - February 13, 2012
scissor me timbers!
Topchief1 - February 13, 2012
Flowers signed a 6 year, and just a shade under $50 mill contract
I hope Routt isn’t wanting $14.
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 13, 2012
I thought Routt's last contract was in that ballpark...
I could be wrong
MNchiefsfan - February 13, 2012
I guess this means Cassel will be our starting QB again.
Tarkus - February 13, 2012
LOL
badassz1987 - February 13, 2012
LAWLZ
Lawlz..ExRoyalsFan - February 13, 2012
LawlsLawls
Chief-blinders-on - February 13, 2012
x
ExRoyalsFan - February 13, 2012
Laws yes!
Tarkus - February 13, 2012
Is that Dawber from "Coach" on the right?
ExRoyalsFan - February 13, 2012
Yes it is
m-o-o-n that spells Dauber.
Chief-blinders-on - February 13, 2012
M-O-O-N, that spells well played!
Tarkus - February 13, 2012
This is where Robe Lowe found out about Manning's retirement
Dauber had the inside info.
Chief-blinders-on - February 13, 2012
$63 million in cap space
We’re signing Bowe, Carr, and Routt for depth. However, I’ve seen so many cap space figures thrown out lately, I’ve really got no idea how much we have.
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 13, 2012
Lots of $ to throw at a guy for depth
ExRoyalsFan - February 13, 2012
I was being a bit facetious is all
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 13, 2012
So long Brandon Carr
Routt is going to sign with someone before free agency starts. He isn’t going to wait for a bunch of other CB’s to flood the market. This doesn’t bode well.
The Chiefs may be just doing research but they have to at least be toying with the possibility of offering Routt a deal before FA starts that makes me think they likely aren’t even considering using the franchise tag on Carr.
That means Bowe gets the tag if no deal is reached. Unless they are out of their minds.
Patrick Allen - February 13, 2012
We will know in due time.
ExRoyalsFan - February 13, 2012
i think you're overreacting, PA
stagdsp - February 13, 2012 via mobile
Maybe not
Maybe they get the feeling that Carr is going to walk. Or they’ve made an offer and he laughed it off.
I’m sure the people doing the negotiating have a better “feel” for whether or not a deal is going to be made. Maybe the Chiefs think the chances of re-signing Carr are not good. We don’t know the details. And probably never will.
Damnit.
Scott B. - February 13, 2012
But I do think that Routt will sign somewhere before FA starts...absolutely.
Scott B. - February 13, 2012
I'm calling Dallas
ExRoyalsFan - February 13, 2012
Chiefs can keep talking to Carr in the meantime.
Tarkus - February 13, 2012
We should definitely use the tag on Bowe over Carr if we can't reach a deal with either of them
RememberDelaney37 - February 13, 2012 via mobile
Is he allowed to sign with someone else?
My understanding with FA is that they can’t sign (don’t know if they can even work out with other teams or talk money) until the FA period officially begins in March. Since Routt was waived, is he eligible for signing right now?
Sudden - February 13, 2012
You are right...
He isnt under contract since he was cut. He is free to sign with anyone at anytime. A guy like Carr is under contract until the start of the new NFL year, then he can talk to any team.
KSU-Chief - February 13, 2012
Good move
RememberDelaney37 - February 13, 2012 via mobile
go ahead and sign routt I say, routt was actually ahead of carr in some stats in 2010
when Nnamdi was still in oakland routt had some great stats just ask raiders fans they was all for him when Nnamdi left as being a stud, they kind of sound like chiefs fans when they refer to carr as being “great” or a “stud” I dont buy it.
I like carr but not at an expensive price I say walk, go sign routt cheaper cause he is a legit #2 CB and if he dont want to come cheaper go get minnfield or whoever else thats odds are has alot more upside than carr and in time will be alot better than carr.
kc-twitch - February 13, 2012
He's taller than Carr
That its a plus
RememberDelaney37 - February 13, 2012 via mobile
What makes you think Routt would be cheaper than Carr?
I think they will both want similar money.
Nick Britt - February 13, 2012
I dont know maybe cause he was tossed aside even when they had nobody else to step in.
kind of says something about you when that happens plus he had a down year not a stellar year.
kc-twitch - February 13, 2012
I think his 2011 season will set his market. Not his time when he had Asa on the other side.
KSU-Chief - February 13, 2012
Having just been released for not living up to a big money contract
Is not exactly a great place to start bargaining from.
MNchiefsfan - February 13, 2012
sign routt for depth would be a good move
62 mill under the cap
niageriannit1 - February 13, 2012
that would be the scenario I would hope for but doubt he lowers himself to it
HIT34MAN - February 13, 2012
hey whats up hitman remember you from espn boards
kc-twitch - February 13, 2012
what's goin on man?
HIT34MAN - February 13, 2012
IDK, I could see him taking a pay cut (really he is going to HAVE to).
Especially if he get a chance to stick it to the Raiders 2 times every year. :-)
DivineGrace - February 13, 2012
I approve
He’s more talented than many will give him credit for. I also trust Pioli not to break the bank/overpay for him. In the end we will not likely sign him because he is worth more than we would pay him because Carr will likely be around next season.
fishhooks - February 13, 2012
i think they should sign him
because he can play the slot position
Christian Scruggs - February 13, 2012
Whatever it takes
Sign him cuz we lose Carr, sweet. Sign Carr and add him, even sweeter. I bet Routt wouldn’t mind getting back at the team that just tossed em twice a year.
KCinIL - February 13, 2012
We do not want this guy to be a Carr replacement.
Raider fans used words like: garbage, seventeen penalties, undisciplined, gave up on plays.
Chiefs_swagger - February 13, 2012
Raiders fans say alot of things
As recent as Moss
KCinIL - February 13, 2012
as I said above
Routt led the league in penalties last season. Not someone I want on my favorite team.
Could he change? Sure. But smart good football players historically don’t give up on the field and commit mindless penalties like Routt.
Chiefs_swagger - February 13, 2012
I never really saw any "give up" when I saw them play
And I kinda put a bunch of their down season on having a terrible defensive coach putting a scheme in that didn’t fit the players. I have faith Romeo wouldn’t be interested in a guy he couldn’t get the best out of.
KCinIL - February 13, 2012
He didnt have those penalties in 2010...
He was just as good as Carr in 2010. Big difference is that he didnt have someone taking 50% of the field away on the other side. Flowers is left alone on an island most of the time. Routt would have plenty of Quallity help over the top. Something he didnt have in Oakland.
KSU-Chief - February 13, 2012
When you play for the Raiders you do..ask Richard Seymore
I don’t remember anyone saying he gave up in New England…and now thats all they’re talkin about in Oakland.
tgitth - February 13, 2012
Part of their old culture.
Players weren’t really held accountable. I’m sure that’s one of the things McKenzie is trying to turn around.
Tarkus - February 13, 2012
All comes down to what RAC thinks about him.
If RAC is good with it….get it done (and quick).
DivineGrace - February 13, 2012
Can I just say this...
Being $63mil under the cap doesnt mean that you start signing players to more than they are worth. If Carr is wanting $11mil/yr then I dont care how far under the cap we are that isnt a good contract for KC. It is different if you are signing a guy to a 1 yr deal, then go right ahead and pay him $13mil because he will be off the cap the next year.
You also dont FT a player if you dont think you can either trade him or work on a long term deal.(unless you think that player is the one you NEED to win a SB). If KC put the FT on Carr this year for $10.6mil, he would have all the power in the negotiations. If KC wanted to keep him and they cant work out a deal then it would cost us $12.72mil to tag him next year.
KSU-Chief - February 13, 2012
well
If you could have worked out a long-term deal, most of the time you don’t have to franchise tag them.
And….
If you have to franchise tag them, generally that means there is a lot of interest in said player. AKA you can trade him. Scrubs do not generally get franchised….
therefore, the above quote just doesn’t seem to stick.
chief Stevie_k - February 14, 2012
Seems like this guy had more flags last year than the united nations.
I hope they are planning on keeping Carr and would only replace him with Routt if all else fails. If they are thinking about adding him to the Brandons fine, maybe he can learn some discipline.
Budd Jones - February 13, 2012
Lucky for us
It is a deep year in FA at CB and WR so teams would have a little more leverage in negotiations. The fact that this making headlines makes me think they want Carr to know we have options.
I don’t see us signing Routt and I still want to see Carr back in red & gold next year.
Nick Britt - February 13, 2012
Hopefully this negotiating gimmick works and they sign Carr before the week's end
Because all this is is a negotiating ploy
HIV 2 Elway - February 13, 2012
I'm pretty sure you're right
But if they CAN’T get Carr, Routt would be a decent replacement.
Not as good, but a lot better than going from Carr to Jalil Brown.
MNchiefsfan - February 13, 2012
Now there's a scary thought
ExRoyalsFan - February 13, 2012
Carr must really feel disrespected
Pioli doesn’t even attempt to resign him during the regular season after watching Charles, DJ, and Flowers getting extensions during the season. Now he brings in a chump from Oakland who got over paid and cut a year later. Carr is gone and I wouldn’t blame him.
KcChiefsMo - February 13, 2012
How do you know he didn't try to re-sign him?
Tarkus - February 13, 2012
He said in his interview with Nick Wright about a month back
Tried to find a link but couldn’t. Wright asked him if he was hurt that they didn’t try to get anything done during the season and he said yeah a little, it’s nice to be wooed and being made felt appreciated.
KcChiefsMo - February 13, 2012
I'm pretty sure once he signed his tender we were unable to re-sign him due to the jump in his salary. At least that's what was reported.
So that would mean that either Pioli doesn’t know what he’s doing or he made a pretty conscious decision to roll the dice on getting Carr done after the year.
MtHammer - February 14, 2012
What Tarkus asked
How on earth do we know they weren’t trying to sign him? If anything, Pioli’s MO has been to do this stuff during the season, not at the last minute.
MNchiefsfan - February 13, 2012
Carr has stated he wants to stay here
Remaining in KC is his first option, so I don’t think he would turn down an extension if Pioli was trying, unless his offer was a slap in the face.
KcChiefsMo - February 13, 2012
Pioli and RAC have both said they want him back.
Talk is cheap. For both sides.
Tarkus - February 13, 2012
I charge people to hear me talk.
Thankfully for you guys my typing is free!
nateforchiefs - February 13, 2012
I feel so blessed.
Tarkus - February 13, 2012
if by 'slap in the face' you mean an offer not bigger than the one Flowers got (around $8 MM/yr)
then yes, you’re probably right…the offer probably was a ‘slap in the face.’
Pioli is not going to grossly overpay someone.
What we do know is that all the other core players on the team have gotten rewarded fairly in the monetary compensation of their new contracts. Why should we expect anything different with Bowe and Carr?
More likely is that while, yeah Carr would like to stay in KC, he knows Gunter wants him in Detroit, and being from Michigan, Carr is completely fine going there….
This has adulterous affair written all over it.
chief Stevie_k - February 14, 2012
uhhhhhhhhhhhh
For wat…and pay him all this money he is gonna want…ha! but no!
jerseychiefsboi - February 13, 2012
I would think Pioli is a genius
if some how he managed to sign Rhoutt and then tag Carr knowing he has a serious suitor and using him as trade bait. I’d take an extra pick in the 1st or top of the 2nd for Carr.
AhQueeNo - February 13, 2012
I think that
This is proof that Carr is wanting Flowers money. As much as I like Carr, I think he is not better than Flowers.
Another thing with Routt is that he doesn’t have any help on the other side. Here he has Flowers on the other side, Arenas in the Nickel and then Berry and Lewis at Safety. He was having to do everything on that field and I am willing to bet that half of those penalties were because of that.
ForeverRanger91 - February 13, 2012 via mobile
its really not. for all we know carr wants 2/3 of flowers' deal, and we still wont pay it
no proof
SDChief - February 13, 2012
Why would KC even contemplate paying Routt 2/3 of Flowers' deal but not Carr?
Pioli has not shown himself to be a tightwad re-signing our core. If Carr only wanted $5.5 MM/yr or so, he’d already be re-signed.
chief Stevie_k - February 14, 2012
Routt could be a good alternative if the price is right. big if.
otherwise, it isn’t as if there aren’t any real upgrades in FA.
For the price Carr MAY want, we could possibly sign a guy like Courtland Finnegan.
chief Stevie_k - February 14, 2012
Hopefully..
Pioli knows what he’s doing.. I want Carr to be signed and forget about Routt. Unless Pioli has a trick up his sleeve and gets both for a good price! to create some depth
sweetactionjackson13 - February 13, 2012
There is absolutely nothing wrong with bringing in a free agent at a position that you may have a huge hole. It’s called due dilligence, and Carr shouldn’t be upset by that, otherwise he is in a overly sensitive douche.
Topchief1 - February 13, 2012
Wouldn't bother me none
Routt is a solid #2 corner. I don’t understand all the hype with Carr recently. Yea he’s a pretty good player but he damn sure isn’t an elite corner and shouldn’t be paid like one. I like Carr better but if he walked I wouldn’t be too disappointed if we signed Routt. People seem to forget 2 years ago Nnamdi and Routt we’re considered in the top 5 CB tandems in the league. Even thought he is a Raider you still gotta respect game.
RamX21 - February 13, 2012
carr is a big physical corner, something routt is not.
this team needs brandon carr for that reason
SDChief - February 13, 2012
They're the same size
RamX21 - February 14, 2012 via mobile
Yeah, Carr is 1" shorter and 10lb heavier.
Nothing really game breaking in either direction.
TRSChief - February 14, 2012
Why
Why go down this road??? Sign carr or tag him
Kcc - February 13, 2012 via mobile
Better yet
Give carr the contract if you ask me the chump from pkland is not worth the 50 million his contract he had in oaky dokie land carr is worth the 50mil and if we pick up the most penalized corner,player on oakland don’t we have to take up the contract he left on. If so think pioli. Carr is a better corner
Kcc - February 14, 2012 via mobile
just read the comments
over…react…ions
IPWT2009 - February 14, 2012
agreed.
Just because he comes in to talk, doesn’t mean we’ll sign him.
TDubb - February 14, 2012
Overreaction? On AP?
Unpossible.
TRSChief - February 14, 2012
Inbelievable
SCKSChief - February 14, 2012
lol
If the Chiefs Brass fails to sign Carr, ie, lets him go over a million or 2, and signs a cornerback that probably had the worst season in the league for a starting cornerback in 2011 -ie, for a whole lot less money, and still convinces everybody here that they are trying to win a superbowl.. … well, that’s the coup de gra of spin from a GM’s office. I mean, somebody will have to give them a trophy, yeah, they will win the SUPERBOWL of bullshitting.
rdc - February 14, 2012
I say offer him a #2 CB contract.
Low-ball him just a little. He got fat paid by the Raiders last year, so he can afford to take a bit of a paycut based on his actual play last year. Routt would be better than drafting a CB. Probably a top 5 #2 FA CB.
We’ll see what happens. I’ve said all along one of these two guys, Bowe or Carr, would be gone. It’ll come down to how much money they want and who we can stand to lose more than the other. I think Carr is more important, but also most likely to walk away.
Falcon58 - February 14, 2012
I think the Chiefs are just getting Carr's attention.
Personally I think there is a very small chance the Chiefs let Carr go. Unless he is asking for outrageous numbers. The Chiefs are playing it smart and looking at all there options. Maybe Routt will take a little cut just for the chance to play the Raiders twice a year. Revenge is sweet. Carr now knows the Chiefs have options. Maybe the Chiefs are doing this to put a little pressure on Carr to sign now. So if needed they can tag Bowe. We really don’t know all the facts and have to just trust our front office.
GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Routerunner - February 14, 2012
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