Arrowhead Pride

Yeah we would hate for the Chiefs to have the best LB's in football...

No thanks on that….ugh.

We have far bigger needs, and LB

Is possibly our strongest position. Is SILB the weakest of our starting LB spots? Yes, is this guy a good fit for our SILB? No.

Pass

dgoddard - February 16, 2012 reply

How dare we get the best inside LB in the draft.

Why even consider it? Pass is obviously the only option.

Gotta love these pass comments. How about some insight as to why you pass?

I think he is a good player, but not as a SILB, which is what we need

He would be a perfect WILB in our defense; as would a guy like Zach Brown.

Dont’a Hightower is a better fit if you want to upgrade that position, which I think we should do. Also keep in mind we re-signed Cory Greenwood (backup WILB/ST) and Brandon Siler (starter/backup SILB) so although I think there is a need to at the position, it appears maybe Crennel/Pioli are content with what we have.

If Hightower is there in the 2nd, I would take him.

Nick Britt - February 16, 2012 reply

I really like the potential of Cory Greenwood and I hope he is the breakout star next year.

Me and Bamf have had these talks before, but IMO, DJ is so talented that you don’t necessarily need a guy that is a perfect fit next to him, because DJ can handle any faults the other guy may have.

I think Luke Kuechly is very talented and could handle the position very well. He is a play maker.

Could he help your team win a Super Bowl? Yes

The bottom line is me would have four extremely talented LB’s roaming the field on almost every defensive play even with substitutions. Call me crazy, but that is intriguing for a team that gave up 40 plus points a million times this season or at least it felt that way after watching those live baby seal clubbings at Arrowhead.

He might not be the perfect fit, but I think if GIbbs and Crennel thought he could be the guy, I would be ecstatic.

So...

You feel this way:

DJ is so talented that you don’t necessarily need a guy that is a perfect fit next to him, because DJ can handle any faults the other guy may have.

Yet want to spend a 1st round pick on this player? On this team, with all the needs we have??

In terms of team impact, I think he could work better than many other players the Chiefs select.

The Chiefs have huge needs, but it depends on what they do at QB.

If they get Peyton Manning, all of there other needs become lesser needs and you can take a luxary pick here or there.

If they get Nick Foles or some other draft pick in lower rounds all of there needs become higher, especially on offense.

If they go with Kyle Orton or Matt Cassel, they’re needs are focused on the offensive side of the ball to protect them.

I’m not saying that I want Luke Kuechly, but I’m not just going to read his name for one second and dismiss him as a possibility. He isn’t the best fit at SILB, but if the Chiefs coaching staff feels like he can make the transition, I would trust their judgement.

Not all college players play the same spot in the pros and the idea that players have to play the exact same position in the exact same scheme is overplayed… That is what coaching is for.

There have been seemingly perfect fits position and scheme wise that bust in the NFL and guys that were considered out of position that have failed.

That thing about Luke Kuechly is that he played well in college and has a high athletic skill set that would carry over to most schemes in the NFL.

Again...will unfortunately have to disagree

With Manning: OL is even more important. You will need to keep him upright. Makes OT basically a must.

If we get Foles he is competing with Cassel, and probably doesn’t see the field this year barring injury. (I am a big Foles fan, btw, just guessing how the Chiefs will play things).

I have very little doubt Kuechly would be a good player for us, I just think you can get 85% of his affectiveness with a LB in later rounds, b/c as you said, DJ is so good he can ‘handle any faults the other guy may have.’

Foles has fantastic physical tools

And sounds like a pretty sharp kid. Could be a good pick…

I've had this convo with you before...

If we’re bringing back Cassel/Orton, the reason I don’t want both back, is I want a legit possibility of a QBOTF. Foles, imo is that. If we take him in round 2 or 3, I’ll be satisfied we are at least making an effort to address the position.

I can agree with that...

With Peyton Manning you don't bring in a Rookie offensive lineman to block for him as the solution IMO

You snag someone that already knows how to play in the NFL that can keep him upright. Like Carl Nicks at guard or Demetrius Bell at tackle…

You don’t get a first round OT that is going to miss early and often blocking IMO.

85% of his effectiveness in Belcher…

A stud linebacker makes all the difference in the world and Keuchly ability to be in the right place at the right time and follow the ball is just to good to decide meh… some other guy can do it almost the same.

Almost the same in LB terms, is giving up a 55 yard run versus getting a tackle for loss in the backfield.

What I meant by DJ is that DJ can play either role in any package, he is the most versatile LB that the Chiefs have. He can’t help a guy that can’t cover or doesn’t have speed to get to the tackle or a nose for the football.

A 1st round OT

Possibly the #2 OT in the draft, you are going to expect to perform every bit as good as Bell.

You can bring in a FA OG or OC, I’m with you there. Regardless, we’ll need to have OL as a top priority if Manning is signed.

I disagree that DJ can play either role, at least not as well. He is not a SILB, doesn’t have the beef. At least it’s not an ideal fit.

DJ is great in the role that he is, I agree

but early in his career he played almost every spot as a LB, moving back and fourth and performed well at times.

I don’t want to see him moved around, but it would be nice to see packages where Romeo is mixing up the schemes, especially when Berry gets back this season.

Most likely the Chiefs aren't going to sign Manning...

That is just a situation where it wouldn’t bother me if they went defense in the first round.

I think Manning is going to come back just fine (always have), and he is going to make any line appear better than they are with how fast he gets rid of the ball.

It is my opinion that Luke Kuechly is going to be a super star in this league, that is why it is hard to say no to the guy.

I think he will be a guy that if we pass on him, people will say “Man I wish that we would have got Luke Kuechly, imagine this defense with him in it.”

Also, one thing you keep glazing over is that I’m only saying it’s a good fit if the Chiefs actually take him there, that means that “they” believe he might work in there defense. Which works for me.

Come on

Hali, Johnson, Kuechly, Houston

That makes me drool.

Didn't Kiper pick Curry for us a couple years ago

Hoochdawg - February 16, 2012 reply

So did most of the people on here, including me

Supersport - February 29, 2012 reply

I agree we probably aren't getting Peyton

And I would have no problem at all if they went D in the first round. If they do, I hope it involves trading back and taking a player they think can be our NT. I’m not sure that player is there, but if they see it, it makes a ton of sense, b/c NT, unlike SILB is a major weakness, hell it’s the biggest weakness on the team.

If I shared your opinion that Kuechly will be a super-star, then I would be more inclined to entertain the notion, but I don’t.

Good, potentially great player.

But would rather trade back.

BAMFSpecialOps - February 16, 2012 reply

Mel

Tipzz - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

Pass, not a true SILB ''thumper''

Agree... Not even if after a trade back to later in first.

I’d rather have someone like Hightower in late 1st or someone like a Franklin (Ark) in a late round.

CatChief - February 16, 2012 reply

Love taking an ILB, just not in the 1st.

I probably wouldn’t address the position until the 3rd at the earliest.

AnkenyChiefsFan - February 16, 2012 reply

This^^^*

Tipzz - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

Rather have

Tulloch in FA…or even Belcher…

Tulloch would be dope, even though it's a pipe-dream

If Belcher is the starter next year cool, I’d just like to see some competition brought in.

Tulloch really doesn't fit our defense

Good player though.

Nick Britt - February 16, 2012 reply

Would a healthy Siler count as competition?

Technically, sure I suppose.

But Siler’s not really the competition I want, I’d like to upgrade the position.

I'd like to upgrade the position myself

After we address the 6 or 7 holes that are more important. We do all that, then sure, I’m on board with addressing our strongest position on the team, LB.

So this brings up an interesting point to me

It appears many AP fans feel the Chiefs should draft more for need then the best overall player available.

ValkRider - February 16, 2012 reply

You won't be able to convince me that Kuechly

Is the best player available either, sorry.

He may go 20th or later if we pass on him.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

I really don’t follow college ball very closely – I don’t know who is better than whom. I just find it interesting that so many APers talk about drafting for need over the best player available.
Personally I’d like to see the Chiefs draft the best on he board vs. the best on the board at a position of need.

ValkRider - February 16, 2012 reply

I'm on the team of taking the BPA at PON

See, you can have cake and eat it too. If GB was picking #2, they wouldn’t be taking RG3.

Cool, let's look at it around Rd. 3, which is where I'd start peeping

They got Bowman in round 3 Let’s look for our ‘Bowman’ in later rounds. We have bigger needs.

by kcsno56 on Feb 16, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions

I'm in on that...

3rd or 4th Round. Assuming we do some things in FA at other positions.

Hell no to Belcher...

The guy is a stop gap and was a not drafted for a reason. He lacks speed and natural play making ability. You know how many times last year he had the play read and completely wiffed on the tackle? Belcher would have never started last year had Siler not have gotten injured. Belcher is depth at best.

joplin chiefs fan - February 16, 2012 reply

He did a solid job last year

Not great, to be sure, but it’s hard to have elite guys at all four LB spots. As far as positions in need of upgrade, ILB is at the bottom of my list.

He did an AVERAGE job.

Audie Cole in the middle rounds.

I’d consider Kuechly if they traded back, though admittedly I haven’t watched him enough to know if he’s a fit.

polodude017 - February 16, 2012 reply

I really dislike Audie Cole

I think he is overrated by most draft sites and will fall to the late rounds.

Nick Britt - February 16, 2012 reply

Mel kipper is a Dumb Dumb

So draft a MLB when we have Pro
bowler Derrick Johnson their & above average run stopper Jovan Belcher & leave RT OUR biggest hole open? Idk Mel’s philosophy when it comes to his drafts

Tipzz - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

I'd say our biggest hole is at NT currently.

Unless we’re planning on having Gordon or Powe play there.

At least we have Powe... At RT we have Mims

Do you think we sign a NT in the 1st round?
I honestly believe we resign
Gordon or sign a better one in FA

Tipzz - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

Mims is a big boy ... maybe HE can play the NT spot

he’s soooooooooooooooo big … (how big is he?) … he can play DT-NT-DT all at the same time ;-)

upamtn - February 16, 2012 reply

Biggest need is RT. Unless you are talking about needs on defense.

Still think we can get a very good DT in FA.

I think its easier to get a good RT in FA than good NT.

But we could also end up overpaying for a NT is FA.

I would disagree with that based on this year's FA's.

Unless something changes.

polodude017 - February 16, 2012 reply

Not this year

Soliai, Pouha, and Garay are all beter NT’s than any of the RT’s on the market are at their positition.

This year might be the exception.

Or the other teams know what they’re doing when they release these guys. When a premium position player like the ones you mentioned are allowed to walk I worry. Those are hard positions to fill and its rare that great ones are allowed to walk.

I believe MIA is switching to a 4-3

But the other two I’m not sure about…

Garay and Pouha are old.

Like Kelley Gregg, they’d be solid short term stop gaps.

Garay isn't really "that" old

I think his name sounding like gray makes people convinced he is an old man.

He will be thirty three in November. I guess that is pretty old for a NT.

Pouha will be 34 after next season.

Yep I guess they are old.

Lol, RAC'd.

You could have just not made the comment, but you stuck to your guns and let us watch you talk yourself out of your own argument. That’s awesome.

If we are having Gordon or Powe play there

It is still our biggest hole.

i love the pick

Our linebacker corps would be lethal. I defense is good now make ut great. Oh and sign routt

Brendon - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

To be fair, if the guy is good in coverage

We’d be able to stay in our base defense (and thus stronger against the run) on obvious passing downs

That said, I’d rather pass…

from nfp

Possesses a good feel in zone coverage. Keys wells, feels routes developing around him and stays low and balanced in his drop, allowing him to quickly change directions. Demonstrates the ability to re-direct and get out of his breaks laterally. However, doesn’t generate much of a burst or first step. Is clean to change directions, but there is no initial burst that allows him to routinely make plays on the throw, as he forced to often just play the man. Gets average depth when asked to turn and run down the field with tight ends. But, lacks great straight-line speed (looks like a 4.8 guy) and the further down the field he’s asked to run the more separation he gives up. Nevertheless, displays good ball skills and is smart enough to key quickly in the pass game and mature into an average option in zone as an ILB.

Impression: He’s not the biggest, strongest or fastest of athletes. But he’s instinctive, plays faster than he times, finds the football in all areas of the game and can really tackle. He’s going to be a bit limited in coverage, but he’s instinctive enough to play on third down in zone and should end up being one of the NFL’s top tackling linebackers for years to come.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=39723

Steve_Chiefs - February 16, 2012 reply

Not good.

However, doesn’t generate much of a burst or first step.

he's just not big enough, strong enough, quick enough for our style of defense

he’s VERY intelligent, a fabulous “student of the game” and a total class act high-character guy, but he’s not an ILB that fits with our team

upamtn - February 16, 2012 reply

So, he'd be the Cassel of our defense, cool.

We could always use more “Rudy’s”.

Yep...

There are not many SILB’s that are going to be Thumpers, Instinctive AND good in pass coverage. That is a once in a lifetime guy.

Now this guy is a once in a lifetime player? Please

I think you read that wrong. He is saying that kind of guy is once is a lifetime,

Not that this BC guy is one.

Ah, gotcha

Comment retracted

Your right...

I should have clarified more.

Yep. Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis types.

This guy seems more like the good but not great type. He wont make many mistakes, but he’s not going to wow you either.

So twice in a lifetime guys?

Tarkus - February 16, 2012 reply

Nope

PW is the WILB for SF :)
Only Ray Ray is the once in a lifetime and pretty sure he has played more than a lifetime in the NFL…

How good is Navorro Bowman in coverage?

PW is the WILB for SF. I really havent watched enough of him to decide if he is a liability in coverage or not…
Anyone know?

He's well above average in coverage according to PFF

Not as good at it as Willis, but still very good.

Those two are just monsters. MAN that team has drafted well defensively…

Cool

He looks like he didnt come out much in the playoff games I watched. I really wanted him coming out of Penn St. When we had two 2nd’s and 2 3rd’s I was hoping we would snag him somewhere in there. I didnt see him fallin to the late 3rd like he did.

Yeah, that would've been a phenomenal pickup...

Sigh.

he's the same height and almost the same weight as DJ, and will likely gain weight

and he’s a tough and instinctive player.

shaytron - February 16, 2012 reply

He’s not the biggest, strongest or fastest of athletes.

But he’s scrappy and has heart

If a dude's got some talent, that's all well and good

It’s when there’s no talent that a problem occurs.

Dude like John Lynch made a career out of being scrappy and a bad mother…

I also want a LB that is going to put the fear into an imposing player.

Hali gets sacks, but he doesn’t lay out some big hits like DT did. I want a player the opposing team is going to fear

DJ

Dude lays people out.

Yep, he hurt several people this season.

JComp11 - February 16, 2012 reply

Which I hate to see (actual injuries)

But it’s nice to see a guy on your side thumping.

He hits noticeably harder than anyone else out there. It’s kinda like a Berry thing. It just seems like some people just have a natural leverage…

Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!.....

GaryfromIA - February 16, 2012 reply

"A bit limited in coverage" is it for me

If we’re gonna reach on a SILB, he needs to be a great overall SILB.

I tend to agree but...

The NFL is becoming somewhat of a specialist league. If you have a better pass defender that is below average vs the run, plays ST’s and is depth then adding a better all around player is kind of a luxury in my eyes.(for our 3-4)
Scat back, GL back, blocking TE, catching TE, run stuffing NT/DT, pass rushing DE/OLB.
Dont get me wrong there are still spots and certain positions in certain D’s that you need the all around guy. In a 4-3 you would like your DT/LB to be able to do everything. In a 3-4 you can have that specialist at NT and SILB. WILB should be a more all around guy because he should be the faster, better coverage and able run stopper.
Money isnt an issue here at all. I just think that you are going to have multiple LB’s for ST and if one is the passing down ILB then so be it. If it is 3rd and 7 and he cant stop the guy at the line of scrimage but gets him 4 yards deep then cool. The issue with having that run stuffing guy like Belcher is on the 3rd and 3 plays. He is asked to play in coverage and we give up 4 yards to a TE up the middle…

The best defenses in the league

Consist of guys that can do it all.

Look no further than the Niners.

Smith was a major difference on that team

and he was nothing but a specialist… He might develop into something more but he really needs to work on his run stopping skills if he wants to be an every down player. Kind of helps having a guy like Justin Smith in front of you when you are rushing the passer too. :)
I do agree that once KC has quality at most starting positions they should look at taking a better all around ILB. I just dont think this is the year to do that with some major holes to fill.

I haven't watched tape on Aldon Smith

But according to PFF he’s above average against the run and in coverage.

I watched him quite a bit.

Reminds me of Allen vs the run… Run up field and if the guy runs into me or I catch him from the back then cool. Setting the edge or taking on a pulling guard, not so much.

I thought he should have got more votes for ROY

but he just didnt play enough to beat out Miller.

AnkenyChiefsFan - February 16, 2012 reply

NT, QB, or OT in round 1 please

OmahaNick - February 16, 2012 reply

For NT

do you mean Poe?

I don't watch nearly enough college football to have an opinion on anyone but Huskers players

That said I know we don’t really have a need at OLB but Lavonte David is pretty awesome, maybe if he’s fast enough he could play saftey, even then he’d just be depth for us.

OmahaNick - February 16, 2012 reply

Uh, the two mocks posted on the front page today and yesterday represent the worst case scenarios

No to Richardson, no to Kuechly.

NO to LMJ in the 3rd :)

Only thing worse would be K or P

With where we're picking, I'd take a Seabass like kicker if there was one out there

Ha! Well, there's not.

RT in the first, Weeden in the 2nd. That’s what I want…not what we’ll do.

Weeden? Is he better than any free agent available that you don't have to use a 2nd rd draft pick on?

Orton, Campbell, even Matt Moore

Chiefs_KC - February 16, 2012 reply

Well, I really want RG3, but that ain't realistic

I think Weeden can walk in and beat out Cassel and Moore easy. I don’t know about Orton or Campbell, but I think he’d have a shot. I think Weeden would have a first round grade EASY, if he weren’t 28 years old.

He'd have to.

He’s barely younger than Cassel, so it’s not like we can go the Aaron Rodgers route with him.

Assuming we sign a CB (either one of them) and Bowe and don't grow a pair and move up for RG3

It should best o-lineman and d-lineman taken with our first two picks (maybe a linebacker if there’s no DE or NT they like) and LMJ in the 3rd

I wouldn't be upset with NT in the 2nd

As for RB, I’d rather get a FA like BJGE or Tolbert. But if we are going to draft someone, why not a giant bowling ball like Ganaway in the 5th or 6th rather than using a 3rd rounder on LMJ?

LMJ is going to make JC look like Harvey Williams

But I’d be fine with Bush, Tolbert or MArshawn

I know you're a PAC 12 homer

But what are the chances that LMJ ties the NFL single season record for YPC?

I’m gonna go with roughly 1000-1 or lower. If LMJ is as productive as Dex I’d be happy.

Bush>Tolbert>Marshawn.

Love me some beast mode, but he’s just been way too hot and cold. Never know what he’ll do once he gets paid. Maybe drown in a pool of Skittles or something…

I'd put the odds at about 1:5

HIV...you a fan of Kenjon or is he too much like McCluster?

He's tight but I'd rather have LMJ

want LMJ more than I wanted Blount

I watched a lot of the duckd games, both Kenjon and LMJ seem to be a bit brittle......

…………….i know LMJ is tuff but you sure he can handle NFL?

Whoa...

easy MN...i'm not busting his balls....

………….just seemed LMJ was alwyas coming out of the game when I watched. Always nicked up.

No, I meant "whoa..." to the idea that he wants someone more than Blount

so then he really must be pissed ; )

Hahahaha!

I haven’t heard a Harvey Williams reference in forever. That’s hilarious. But seriously. If he made JC look like the bust that was Harvey Williams, he would be the greatest running back ever born, and I don’t buy it.

He'll also make Gandhi look like a child pornographer.

Rec'd!

I'd like two speed guys

Then use McClain as our bowling ball.

from sidelinescouting

Negatives — Not a natural man-coverage backer, is not especially quick or agile with his back to the quarterback and isn’t asked to cover a tight end or running back very often… Can get a little high at times when taking on blocks or forming up at the line of scrimmage, may have some difficulty taking down larger backs at the next level until he learns to play a little lower… Has decent speed but is not a burner by any means, makes up for lack of top straight-line speed by always being in position… Not a natural pass rusher, rarely blitzes and lacks elite explosiveness when asked to rush the quarterback from the edge… Tackling numbers are out of this world but makes too many tackles after the runner has already picked up a good chunk of yardage… Isn’t a downhill linebacker that will crash gaps and make plays at the line, his tackling numbers pile up by the amount of tackles he makes downfield… Kuechly is being touted by most as a first rounder because of his tackling numbers and incredible instincts but he’s no more than an average athlete and below average strength.

Steve_Chiefs - February 16, 2012 reply

honestly, Mayock and Kiper and Casserly and all these mock guys ...

do they not understand our biggest need? do they not see what we see? do they not read Arrowhead Pride and realize that we are taking David DeCastro???

(obviously they do not)

upamtn - February 16, 2012 reply

To be fair, I saw a needs list for Kiper for the Chiefs that listed NT, OT, and ILB as his top 3 needs

I guess he figured that no NT worthy to go #11/12 and top 3 OT were gone? (don’t know, I don’t have access to entire mock draft) so he took the BPA at PON

Chiefs_KC - February 16, 2012 reply

At least he doesnt have us taking Upshaw like A BUNCH OF MOCKS!

OLB probably isnt even on the list at all this year… Unless something great falls into our laps.

reason # 123...

Hudson showed signs of being over-powered at times (who doesn’t at center) and we sign Decastro to protect him.

12t - February 16, 2012 reply

Highly disagree here

I don’t see how you can judge anything Hudson did on the field this year as negative, and you certainly didn’t see him getting over-powered at C, b/c we were too busy protecting a consecutive snap streak to worry about letting Hudson get PT at C.

It was one of the biggest mistakes of last season, imo, not getting Hudson more snaps period, but definitely at C.

Agreed 100%

I didn't judge him as negative...

just saying it’s going to happen to him at center until he developes. There isn’t many that it doesn’t happen to.

12t - February 16, 2012 reply

Can I be a ESPN mock draft analyst?

I can easily take the player rankings 1-32 and line them up with the team picks 1-32. Man, I’m a fricking wizard.

Doesn't have the same thirst for blood as Burfict

But much smarter...

Gotta be able to play football, too

Would love this pick....

HOWEVER, I think we could get Hightower in the 2nd, and SEC Defenses>ACC Defenses.

That's a better scenario

Hightower in the 2nd>Any ILB in the 1st.

EricBerryYoYouScary - February 16, 2012 reply

Rather have Hightower or Burfict

after trading back 2 or 3 times.

Burfict in the 3rd?

I don't know if I want to trade back that many times Because you know, Burfict shouldn’t be drafted until at least the 3rd round and personally, I hope we don’t touch him with a 10 foot pole.

MountainManMike - February 18, 2012 reply

Whenever Mel Kipers hair is on tv

I don’t hear a word it says. The hair just has me dumbfounded.

clarksvillechiefs - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

you will now be trapped on this page....FOREVER

Eddie Munster's son?

Tarkus - February 16, 2012 reply

LOL

I was trapped by the mystical hair pic!

But thanks to my phones power saving feature I was released from the spell of Mel Kipers hair.

clarksvillechiefs - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

Burfict

will be available in the third from what i have been reading. Due to “red flags” they say he is guna fall through the draft process. We could have another Justin Houston situation here were we could get first round talent in the third round and he ends up bein a very good player.

I'm not too sure those red flage are the same color

Your right.....

Houston tested positive at the combine for marijuana, Burfict has issues with anger and playing under control………..which would you rather have at linebacker

17 Personal Foul flags

in something like 33 games! DAMN!!!

35 games**

Wes Buntings Scouting Report

A talent with natural pop on contact, can hold the point of attack and for his size exhibits “plus” range and fluidity. Isn’t a guy who I could trust as a starting 43 mike as he needs to stay in control of his emotions and make the defensive calls. Needs to be put in a good locker room with a vet next to him to help him learn to be a professional. If he can overcome his struggles on the field emotionally, he’s got the talent to be a Pro Bowl caliber linebacker.
DJ could definately help this guy

The whole linebacker crew+ Gibbs can rein this guy in.

There are different types of leaders.

Just because a guy is a Vet doesnt make him a mentor. Granted we dont get to see these guys in the locker room but you can look at the sideline a see who are the guys in charge.
Do you really see DJ or Hali getting in this guys face if he cost them on 3rd down with a PF? Houston and his concerns were a bit different. It doesnt take a hard ass to tell the guy, “Listen man, that weed is going to cost you $$$. Play as long as you can then smoke the rest of your life.”
I would hope we have the core to be able to help this guy but I just dont see the right type of leader on the D for it with us.

We might not have one guy.........

but between romeo and the rest of the D i think he can be set straight….plus the $$$ factor comes in with this as well cause look at personal fouls and how many of them come with fines these days…………and if he doesnt pan out you just miss out on a third round pick

I do think DJ is going to get better

because he has the PB’s and the confidence to say things. It is hard for a young player to respect what a Vet says if they dont have the resume to back it up… Jus the way it works everywhere.

I also believe Berry will be that guy

Would’ve been this year, but those stupid ACL’s…

Le sigh

No doubt...

That guy is the exact type of leader that would take a guy like Burfict and tell him like it is. I would like to give him a couple of more year to develop that “Listen punk, you are not going to F with my team. This is how we play and you need to control yourself!” It is kind of early to put something like that on a young man shoulders.
He might have that right now but I dont think he is going to say much this year until he feels he is up to speed. He reminds me of a guy who wont say anything unless he can do it himself (which is a GREAT quality)

Ray Lewis killed a man

We need a guy like that just for the intimidation factor

Allegedly.......

So if Burfict can stab a guy we got a HOFer

km230015 - February 16, 2012 reply

Rolando McClain pistol whipped a guy

Does that count

Steve_Chiefs - February 16, 2012 reply

Allegedly?

Killed a man and let his buddy take the fall

Thats some stone cold shit

Jus tthe kind of guy you want in the middle of your D

Agreed

Id be happy with Burfict. Just not in the first. All he needs is a good lockeroom and DJ to point out which guy he needs to go kill and he’ll be fine.

"Find QB. Make him bleed"

But WITHOUT

any shot to the head at all, dont go near his knees, dont hit him if you are more than a 1/3 of a step away, dont drive him into the ground, dont throw him in any way… AH CRAP just take out the RB F-IT!

Its worth a 15 yard penalty if the QB is taken off on a stretcher

or better yet

a body bag

Meh, the injury doesn't occur often enough to justify the increased ref scrutiny

Ask Suh.

I want a guy like Billy Cole on my team.

Block my way to the EZ and I will cap your ass!!!

Lee Gardner III - February 16, 2012 reply

Pass

I would rather have Hightower over Kuechly.

I wouldn't freak out if they picked Kuechly......I'd just hate to see Ups have a stroke ; )

I got warned so I'm making an apology,

WOW, sorry Aiken I kind of thought I was being funny on the SHUT UP part. I’m sorry for offending anyone. WOW sorry AP, I didn’t mean anything by it, but WOW is all I have to say. I’ve seen a lot worse here

dbakerku - February 16, 2012 reply

I wouldn't worry about it

Stuff happens.

KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012 reply

Calling it

The kid isn’t even 1st round talent. Kuechly will not be drafted Day 1

If Philly wasn't so desperate for LBs I would agree with you.

KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012 reply

Zach Brown > Kuechly

I'll take that bet

No fan of Kiper but I’m a bit surprised by the nearly unanimous “No” from the group here. This is actually who I want at this pick. Johnson and Kuechly could rival Willis and Bowman.

BourbonShamrock - February 16, 2012 reply

What qualities or what part of Kuechleys game makes you believe he can be a SILB?

We have an All-Pro at the 3-4 position that he’s ideal for but I don’t see how anything he does translates to a guy who needs to blow up run plays, shed blockers and drop in coverage.

They got Bowman in round 3

Let’s look for our ‘Bowman’ in later rounds. We have bigger needs.

Kiper really should do a bit more homework if he's only doing one round of mock draft.

That’s two picks in a row that don’t fit what we need. Still is not a NT and Kuechley is not an ILB. “Experts” like this make me pull out my hair and make me wonder how theyre even getting paid to do that job.

This draft is RG3 or bust

Quit overvaluing draft picks. They dont mean shit when you blow them on guys like Colin Brown or Trezell Jenkins. Pull the Ditka, sell out, and get the Dread

Doubt that 5th rounder for Colin brown is gonna net us another 1st

but i see your point.

km230015 - February 16, 2012 reply

Would give up the entire draft

endure another year of BRich and Belcher if it meant 10+ years with the Dread at QB. Chiefs are QB away from some next level shit

You feel like he will stay healthy in the league for that long?

If he does explode and with your opinions on Clark being cheap, do you think the team would pay him the 100 Million + contract that he is going to require to keep him for that second contract.

I would love to get RGIII, it doesn’t seem plausible, but the kid has potential out that ass (that’s wearing a cap.)

I do think he has the highest bust factor in the draft this year, but he by far has the biggest ceiling other than maybe Vontaze Burfict. It will be interesting to see what happens.

RG3 = gonna make QB Eagles look like Akili Smith

Akili Smith is actually a decent comparison to RGIII college rise.

I think he is talented, and he can throw so effortlessly with accuracy, but something is off about him.

WAY different

Go compare their career stats.

RG3 did it longer and way better.

There are not many QB's that have done what Griffin III

has done, at the time Smith’s number’s were great.

There have been some good college QB’s since then.

Very true on picks

People put WAY too much faith in the draft and act as though you should get 1 Pro Bowler and 3 more soldid starters a year.

+RG3

Only 2 scenarios that won’t make me boo
a) Trade whatever it takes to get the QB at the top of the first
b) Trade down to the bottom of the first, get another 2nd and draft a guy like Foles (If he has a good offseason)
c) Sign Pey pey

I wouldn't hate the idea of Foles

He’s got talent, and gets a bad rap for picks because he had to carry a team with no D.

Foles would be a great pick up

He may be the surprise first round pick of the draft like Ponder.

Thats what "worries" me about waiting till the 2nd.

Assuming Luck and RGIII don’t throw at the combine (why would they?), if he has the best workout, he might end up a mid-late 1st round pick.

I feel there will be 3-4 QB's taken in the first 40 picks

If the Chiefs don’t grab one early, the will be picking from the bottom shelf.

But that is what is to be expected in Kansas City.

Nick Foles has all the tools in the world to be a great QB. Maybe he just needs a little Jim Bob Cooter?

But then again…who doesn’t need some Cooter?

Who the hell is Jim Bob Cooter?

…and why does our new QB need an aligator wrassler?

touche

No seriously.

Oh whatever, but here anyway....

The NFL’s Kansas City Chiefs have hired former Tennessee quarterback Jim Bob Cooter as an offensive assistant, the Kansas City Star reports.

Cooter, who was a quarterback UT, was an offensive assistant for the Indianapolis Colts for the last three seasons.

New Chiefs head coach Romeo Crennel hired Cooter as part of putting a new staff in place in Kansas City.

Also

Mike Vrabel retired.

Thanks smartass.

I haven’t been around much lately. Great name.

Nice

Peyton Manning connection. I’m sure I’m the first one to pick that up.

The one and only.

I'm pretty sure Craig just admitted I was smart...

There is a first.

How foolish of Craig.

It is a great name, people are making too much of it. Especially the local media. Bob Fescoe had Romeo saying, “Cooter” over and over on a loop today.

It was interestingly stupid.

From everything I've heard about Foles

He’s going to kill at the combine.

He is a QB that I think can be coached up to become a solid NFL guy.

MountainManMike - February 18, 2012 reply

I wouldn't mind trading back a time or two...

into the 20’s and picking him up.

Love your 2 scenarios

Wait…which 2 of the 3 won’t make you boo?

Math never was my strong suit.

Draft more defense if Cassel if your QB.

Your offense will be limited by Cassel. A 3rd-5th round RT will yield just as much benefit to the offense as a 1st rounder.

Chief Farmer - February 16, 2012 reply

Courtney Upshaw

What do you guys think about drafting Upshaw?

albuquerquechiefsfan - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

Where would he play?

In the spot of a top 3 pass rusher, or the spot of a very good young player?

he simply makes the opposition pay for trying to block him than gets to the ball. He can also play inside backer and probably DE in a pinch. Bottom line is Upshaw is a football player, he is going to bring smarts, and a tenacious attitude to your team.

albuquerquechiefsfan - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

Too small for 3-4 DE

No way he plays ILB in a 3-4 either.

BAMFSpecialOps - February 16, 2012 reply

He might be able to play SILB

Wouldnt be the best, but it could be done

In Pioli I trust

To be honest… I’ll probably be happy with whoever he takes first….because he’s smarter than everyone.

insta-puke

dumb pick

NOT a fit for this defense

1. RGlll
2.Courtney Upshaw
3.Trent Richardson
4.Morris Claiborne

albuquerquechiefsfan - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

I'm at the point where I don't care much who we draft

as long as we fill holes. We have far fewer than we’ve had in the last few years which is nice so filling any of them would make me happy.

You can't spell "Fill Holes" without "Foles"

Seriously.

That might be the kind of logic used at Arrowhead with the shades drawn.

as long as we don’t burn a first round pick on a guy with bad footwork

Footwork is coachable...

He didn’t have the best college coaching IMO.

He makes the throws though and does a decent job avoiding pressure. He might not be god’s gift to QB, but he has some potential. Like a younger Weeden.

Who's better

Stanzi or Foles?

David Mims.

WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME

Foles

The only positive about Stanzi’s college career is that he showed he could improve. His stats aren’t promising outside of his senior season (which was a very good season). IMO Foles and Cousins show more consistency than Stanzi. I’m happy we have Stanzi on the team, but I wouldn’t bet the farm on him being the QBOTF.

Chiefs4Life - February 16, 2012 reply

Ricky "Could beat out Tyler F'n Palko- the worst QB in the league other than Matt Cassel" Stanzi???

Foles all the way

Wheres the grammer police?!?

COULDN"T beat out Palko

Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012 reply

Osweiler > Foles. I want the 7 foot tall dude with a cannon.

Dude cant even get his tattoo spelled right but smart enough to run an NFL offense?

he be a collage shtudant

Somebody needs to cast that guy as Frankenstein's monster

Chiefs4Life - February 16, 2012 reply

They both have potential

but Foles may have better long term NFL potential than Stanzi…

Wouldn’t mind having them both with Kyle Orton.

yeah

but I’d expect a first round QB to play day one. Anyone picked in the first round should play day one for that matter. A guy like Foles or Weeden are just going to have to be coached up before they can jump right in IMO. I’d be happier going a different direction in the first round myself.

Is it just me...

or doesn’t anyone else feel like we’re just a QB and an O lineman away from being a year in year out contender….

Pretty much

although I think it’s realistically two O-linemen. RG and RT both need to be addressed.

check that, LG

yes

thank you that is correct

Three positions right now.

QB, RT and NT.

sure

and Backup S

and TE depth

LG could wait one year, or have a developmental guy not starting this year… but I’d be happy with an upgrade

Like the guy

But I think offensive line is the bigger need and starters there are harder to find later on.

KC_HAWKEYE - February 16, 2012 reply

Getting a great ILB without having a legit NT is like

having a great set of WR’s but Tyler Palko as your QB.

Fozzyboyd - February 16, 2012 reply

No strongside ILB should EVER be selected in the first round

With all of the passing going on, the SILB is the first player off in nickel and dime coverages. They simply cannot make an impact worthy of a first round selection. A team that selects one does so as a luxury.

Dagda - February 16, 2012 reply

and, this guy isn't even a SILB