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Where does Kansas City Chiefs WR Dwayne Bowe rank on the list of impending wide receiver free agents?
I'm a Chiefs fan, which means I'm biased, so I'd place him in the top handful of available receivers. But, according to unbiased rankings, the top five sounds about right for him.
The top free agency receiver is Wes Welker, but we know the New England Patriots won't let him get away so he'll get the franchise tag or a longterm deal. And then there's Mike Wallace of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Again, they won't let him leave.
Those are your top two guys, according to rankings by Pro Football Focus, and the next two are Bowe and San Diego Chargers WR Vincent Jackson. Jackson is third and Bowe is fourth, according to PFF.
Despite his touchdown receptions dropping from 15 to five, Bowe had an impressive 2011. Catching a pass of 20 yards or more in 12 of 16 games this year, he showed that he can stretch the field and, in the right situation, could put up big numbers again in 2012.
He caught a pass over 20 yards in 75 percent of the games this season so he's one of the few guys on the team that consistently stretches the field. And, he's only 27 years old, which means he has at least a few more years in his prime.
Jackson is already 29 years old and his legal past may be more red flags than Bowe's occasional boneheadedness. But....I think Jackson is a better talent than Bowe. He can stretch the field a little more (maybe that's due partially the quarterbacks each guy has played with) and I love me some 6'5" receivers so he gets bonus points on size.
But which one is the better free agent? Which one am I going to sign if I'm a team not named the Chiefs? Again, I'm biased, but I take Bowe. He's younger and, outside of his 2009 season, he's been very consistent in the league. I think he might actually be less of a risk than Jackson.
So those are your top four receivers. The first two -- Welker and Wallace -- are likely staying put. But Jackson, and perhaps Bowe, could hit the open market. Thoughts on how those guys are ranked?
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So in other words
Brother is getting paid. I think Pioli draws a line and isn’t the type to enter bidding wars. Similar to Carr, if they find more money elsewhere he’ll have to choose which of the two he wants more. And judging by his affinity for Cassel, I think he’s more inclined to keep an offensive weapon and replace a defensive starter
KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012
I think he's getting franchised
Just always seemed like the most likely scenario with him.
Keeps him motivated, lets us see what we have in Baldwin, locks him into KC.
I’m not saying it’s what I would do, but I think that’s been Pioli’s plan pretty much all along.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
It makes sense in a way
IF Baldwin breaks out, suddenly Bowe becomes a lot more expendable. If he doesn’t, we know we’ve gotta cough up the cash.
MNchiefsfan - February 16, 2012
Oh hell no
Bowe has earned his. He has nothing left to prove. Give him an incentive heavy contract and let the Killer B’s ball out for the next 4 years
KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012
Bowe has plenty left to prove
He isn’t any where near as good as he could/can be.
That doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve a long-term deal, but let’s not act like he’s a perfect player.
Oh, and ‘earned his’ means nothing in the NFL. You aren’t paying for past performance, you are paying for future results.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
And the pattern is
with competent QB’ing Bowe is a baller and force to reckon with. I’m afraid to see him leave KC because if he goes to a team with an actual QB shit will get ugly around here
KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012
I mostly agree with you
But again, he has plenty to improve on, and is still inconsistent.
I would pay him, and I think he would excel on another team with better QB play, but you never know. WR’s that change teams usually struggle to replicate success.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
I disagree with the inconsistent part
He’s had 1100+ yard season his last two years. Has just under 5000 over his career. And has great YPC/YAC numbers.
Eastcoastransplant - February 16, 2012
Fair
Game to game he is inconsistent, specifically he drops passes that he shouldn’t at a higher frequency than other ‘elite’ WR’s.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
True
But you also can’t just look at the WR in a vacuum. Some of those passes that he’s dropped are on him. Some are on his QB (or lack there of), and some are on the fact that he’s been the only target and has been double teamed (and doesn’t drop ALL of those). Yanno? I’m just saying giving those circumstances, the fact that he’s put up the numbers he has is pretty damn impressive.
Eastcoastransplant - February 16, 2012
Very impressive.
I’m not saying he sucks, I said above that he’s probably close to the 10th best WR in the NFL. That’s very high praise anywhere other than AP.
He could improve on his consistency and focus, especially on more routine plays.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
No argument there.
Eastcoastransplant - February 16, 2012
1 Reason i would put him up there with top receivers.
Look at what QB he has throwing to him. Other top receivers has Future Hall of Famers as QB;s. Drop passes his fault or QB fault? Other kc receivers has them and chiefs is up there nere tops in league on that. Put him with a good QB and his numbers would put in with top 5 WR’s each year.
denmaster - February 16, 2012
Agreed.
I should have read your post before responding.
Eastcoastransplant - February 16, 2012
There's no way he signs an incentive heavy contract
After being in the league and producing this long.
The “franchise him” situation is assuming he’s asking for elite money.
MNchiefsfan - February 16, 2012
I'm not so certain
he doesn’t deserve it. Hard-pressed to find a WR in this league who has done more with less
KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012
I agree to a point
However, there’s a limit to the amount I think is prudent to spend on a WR. Hard to find a less crucial position in the NFL.
MNchiefsfan - February 16, 2012
If he's lived up to the billing
and production of a Top 5 receiver, you give him Top 5 money. What precedent does that set if you don’t?
KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012
I'm a fan
But he’s not one of the top 5 WR’s in the NFL.
Top 15? yes.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
Spitballing
Megatron, Fitz, Andre Johnson, _________, ___________ ?
KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012
Jennings, Welker, White, Marshall, Wallace, Nicks...
I could look it up and get more, he may be around 10th, though.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
Fine.
Top 10 money he wants. Top 10 money he should get
KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012
If he wants a contract that pays him around the #10 WR in the NFL
He should absolutely get it.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
I'm not sure Bowe is definitely worse than any of those guys.
And I know I’d rather have him than Marshall.
MtHammer - February 16, 2012
As per NFL.com
Receptions – Bowe = #10 (#6 if all non-WRs eliminated)
Yards – Bowe = #13 (#11 w/o non-WRs)
Yards/Game – Bowe = #17 (#15 w/o non-WRs)
TDs – Bowe = #45 (obviously a horrid offensive season all the way around in KC!)
20+ – Bowe = Tied #9 with Baldwin (Sea), Nelson (GB), Green (Cin)
I would be interested to see a “drops” count.
SCKSChief - February 16, 2012
He had something like 12.
Roddy White had more with 15.
But, Bowe does not appear on the top 15 highest drop rate list, according to Profootballfocus.
Bowe doesn’t have anything to prove, imo. He’s not top 5, but he’s definitely top 10.
ArrowSpread - February 16, 2012
I dont think any of those receivers you mentioned are better then Bowe
with the exception of Wallace and Welker… If Bowe had a Rodgers, Ryan,or Manning, I think you would see the same numbers then those receivers
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
He's better than Welker, Wallace and Nick
Welker is nothing without Tommy
HIV 2 Elway - February 16, 2012
Agreed
I got Megatron first, then Fitz, then Bowe.
Sudden - February 16, 2012
sounds about right.
i agree
km230015 - February 16, 2012
megatron, fitz, andre johnson,
chad unit - February 16, 2012
I think AJ has fallen off a step
He’s never been as singularly dominant as Megatron and Fitz. Those two have been dominant forces even as the only threat on the field. AJ has had the benefit of a solid enough running game to keep safeties honest.
Sudden - February 16, 2012
he was hurt some this past year, no? AJ
upamtn - February 16, 2012
True, but that needs to be part of the equation
He’s a little long in the tooth. My ratings are based on the potential of the guys going forward. AJ is a bit older than Bowe, has had injuries in each of the last two seasons, and that means Bowe would be a more desireable option ceteris parabis.
Sudden - February 16, 2012
Spoken like a member of planet AP
3rd best WR in the league, he needs you as his agent.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
I suppose rankings are a bit muddy, no two will be alike.
But I see Bowe as one of the best in the league after contact, runs crisp routes, can get you short and mid range possession receptions, but can also make the play on the deep ball (although lacks speed to gain full seperation a la a Fitz or Megatron).
The guys you named seem far more one dimensional: Welker is a short to medium possession guy, fairly ineffective deep and outside the hashes. Wallace is a deep threat tour de force, but limited in his short routes and possession receptions. Marshall can do both, but falls off when his QB is lackluster. Jennings seems to be average as a possession guy, better as a genuine deep threat. But I’ll give Jennings this, no one scores TDs on a broken leg quite like he does.
Sudden - February 16, 2012
You can pick nits at some of the choices, and some depend on what you are asking of them
But there isn’t a GM in the NFL that would pick Bowe as the 3rd best WR in the NFL.
I mean, you have him over AJ. I can’t take you seriously after I see that. Sorry.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
AJ is good for what 8-10 games a year? That has to factor in
HIV 2 Elway - February 16, 2012
He missed 9 last year
And even with that, has averaged 13 games the last 4 years.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
And he's three years older than Bowe
When you’re looking at signing players, age discrimination is part and parcel of the game my friend.
Sudden - February 16, 2012
Especially when the receivers are over 40
TRSChief - February 16, 2012
It sure is
I’m factoring that into the equation, he’s still leaps and bounds better than Bowe.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
The precedent that you're not willing to massively overpay
For a position that, at the end of the day, isn’t all that important?
MNchiefsfan - February 16, 2012
For real
Get Bowe a real QB and he’ll make Megatron look like Lance Long
ArrowDread - February 16, 2012
I do often wonder about that
He HAS consistently produced, regardless of QB. And on the rare occasions Cassel was slinging the ball around decently (and it DID happen sometimes) Bowe absolutely tore people up.
MNchiefsfan - February 16, 2012
@ Seattle 2010
Cassels one good game as Chief, Bowe absolutely lit it up
ArrowDread - February 16, 2012
He looked all right in a couple other games
But yeah, SEA would be the standard.
If that Matt Cassel showed up every game we wouldn’t be talking about QBs.
And yes, Bowe was ridiculous that game. It does make one wonder what would happen with a QB who plays like a QB every single game.
MNchiefsfan - February 16, 2012
I think
Cassel’s first year here pretty much stunted what he could do. The year before he was for all intents and purposes a first year starter on a team that could help the first year starter QB. We moved him into a situation that really sucked for any QB, especially one without much real game time. A proven vetran would have done better, but not by much. By the end of his first year here Cassel was probably pretty rattled. That is probably one of the reasons that Matt tends to do very well when we run the hurry up or no huddle offense. It doesn’t give him the time to think about all the new and interesting ways in which BRich will try to get his QB killed.
Zif - February 16, 2012
Ha! Nice...
MNchiefsfan - February 16, 2012
that's funny
upamtn - February 16, 2012
We are so in agreement here it ain't even funny.
Just makes me sad that, that ‘real’ QB won’t be here any time soon. Which of course, is why it’s so much fun to salivate at the idea of a healthy Manning, or an RGIII.
Eastcoastransplant - February 16, 2012
Also may need to factor in offense
with a new OC almost every year he has still been getting his numbers. That has to count for something
BDCinSA - February 16, 2012
Then you have to let it account for Cassel as well
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
Naw
Nothing can help Cassel but retirment
BDCinSA - February 16, 2012
So Bowe gets a pass for having different OC but Cassel doesnt?
sounds great
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
yep
BDCinSA - February 17, 2012
Not that crazy. Bowe has produced his numbers may have been able to be a bit better with more consistancy but Cassel is a different story. You cannot tell me Cassel would have better vision, a stronger arm, make better decisions and so on if the same OC was in place. Bowe has made things happen regardless while Cassel has not. Cannot compair the same. Call me wrong all day wont change the fact that Cassel is who he is and Bowe is who he is
BDCinSA - February 17, 2012
"Locks him into KC?"
How does a one year tender lock him to anything? I’m going against the grain, as per usual, and predicting Carr gets the tag. Bowe gets a new deal.
KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012
Umm...
It locks him into KC for this coming season.
I would be completely in favor of locking him up long term, but I don’t think that’s what Pioli will do. I’d sign Bowe and Carr long-term.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
Don't understand
how prolonging his contract situation until next year is going make things any easier with Albert & Dorsey hitting the market too
KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012
Albert should be extended this year
If we follow our pattern of extending the players they deem most important a year early.
Dorsey is probably going to walk.
I don’t think it is better to prolong his contract situation, but they may do it, unfortunately to give Baldwin a chance to develop and give them an excuse to let Bowe walk as well.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
ny thinking is that both Bowe AND Carr are "getting paid" ... big money, and rightfully so
the real question is going to be … who pays it? what team?
in my mind, no reason we can’t or shouldn’t re-sign both … I think Bowe, Carr, Hunt and Pioli need to all sit down with a marriage counselor and work it all out in a nice, casual manner with some herbal tea :-)
upamtn - February 16, 2012
I dunno...
If Routt is cheaper I just might be more for him than Carr. He’s faster than Carr.
bossmanham - February 16, 2012
faster? so what?
Dex is faster too, but he isn’t a cover guy and can’t tackle … screw “cheaper is better” … it has NO bearing on which is the best player among the two choices of Carr and Routt
one on one Carr is so much better it’s not even worth considering
upamtn - February 16, 2012
Agree
The Chiefs have no excuses for not getting each (Bowe/Carr) back and on the field in some way for ’12.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
yep
Eastcoastransplant - February 16, 2012
I don't know that I can agree.
I’m not sure Carr is that much better. Furthermore, if he’s asking for a ridiculous number for his contract, which all the reports I’m hearing are saying he is, then even the slight downgrade that Routt might be is a better decision.
I love Carr, but if he’s being unreasonable with us, and can get paid somewhere else, more power to him. I just don’t want a massive downgrade at the position. IOW, there better be a very good cornerback there, whether it’s Carr or Routt.
bossmanham - February 16, 2012
I agree.
I’d love to keep Carr and, as underpaid as he’s been so far in his career, if he can swindle a team into giving him a terrible contract he should go for it. But I would prefer it be with another team in that case.
No matter what, he’s a great story and I’ll be rooting for him wherever he ends up (within reason). But, purely hypothetically, if he wants 14 million per year and Routt will take 7, we should absolutely go the Routt route.
MtHammer - February 16, 2012
Cheap Routt>Expensive Carr
/Heh, cheap routt, expensive carr
severn58 - February 16, 2012
Bwahaha
bossmanham - February 16, 2012
I will alway rec terrible puns.
MtHammer - February 16, 2012
Always*
MtHammer - February 16, 2012
and I just did :)
Eastcoastransplant - February 16, 2012
I would rather Carr get the deal and Bowe get the tag
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
Do nothing
We all know Bowe is a talent, but he is only as good as the peeps around him. We have two QB’s going into this year both can get the ball to him. The chiefs should go all out this year bring in R. Moss and T Owens to back up him and Baldwin now they have to perform or they will be on the bench . These two might be getting up in age but they are great physicals speciman in football terms. They can all ways put the franchise tag on him.
tloneal25 - February 16, 2012
I want no part of either Moss or Owens.
Eastcoastransplant - February 16, 2012
I'd put Bowe before Jackson
But I think, like Welker and Wallace, there is no way he hits the market. Pioli will either franchise or sign Bowe and keep him in KC. So that leaves Jackson as the top "get’ in this next FA period.
KCnDC - February 16, 2012
If people are saying Bowe is #4 then we can kep him cheap!
Low ball him Pioli!!!
#Idonnotactuallyendorsethisidea.
##WhyanyonewouldlistentomeforfootballadviceIhavenoidea.
nateforchiefs - February 16, 2012
agreed!
#neverevereverlissentonate
upamtn - February 16, 2012
What's with everybody hashtagging everything today, anyway?
MtHammer - February 16, 2012
You understand
#nateisanidiot
nateforchiefs - February 16, 2012
Bowe would definitely be higher up
if he actually had more accurate balls thrown his way. He barely had any real action this past season.
GaryfromIA - February 16, 2012
Would love to see
A full season of Orton & Bowe. Methinks it could get Brandon Lloyd-esque
KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012
Methinks you'll be disappointed
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
Methinks
You’re fat, ugly, and your mother dresses you funny.
KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012
damn man! that diss made me snarf!
worc - February 16, 2012
HAHA
I use to have shirt that said that when I was a kid, excluding the fat part.
flip8744 - February 16, 2012
Bowe > Jackson
Similar numbers with WAY worse QB play.
MNchiefsfan - February 16, 2012
Age is the biggest factor imo on why Bowe is better
19 months younger, and with WR’s age is a big deal, they can fall of a cliff fast.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
True story
Also more versatile, and there’s something to be said for being the toughest receiver to bring down in the league.
MNchiefsfan - February 16, 2012
I agree
But, I also think (this season excluded) that Jackson made some tough catches in traffic that Bowe doesn’t pull down. I also think that Jackson was, overall, (again, this season excluded) a better hands guy. Now, this is just my first thought. I’ve not backed it up with stats.
To the cloud!
SCKSChief - February 16, 2012
I think Bowe is better than Wallace too...
Wallace is fast….but i dont think his body of work is better than Bowes…
KCinAZ - February 16, 2012
Not just saying this because I am a KC fan but
I might have Wallace at 1a and Bowe at 1b. Wallace stretches the field in a different way. Most of Bowe’s 20+ were catch and run. He is one of the best in the NFL at breaking tackles. He broke 10 tackles to lead the NFL last year.
I was going to write a FP with the top WR’s on the market. One thing that scares me is the Bills/Johnson contract. I think he is going to want a bunch of money and the Bills will pay him. If that deal is done before KC signs Bowe then we might just have to FT him. I think Stevie is going want a contract like Holmes 5 year $45mil deal. If he gets that then there is NO way Bowe doesnt want more!
KSU-Chief - February 16, 2012
Nix
isn’t going to shell out the bucks for Johnson. The rag-tag bunch they run in Buffalo, I know Gailey could just develop some other late rounder of UDFA to fill out the starter position in the offense he runs. Buffalo doesn’t necessarily fork out the cash, can’t see them doing it
KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012
And the Chiefs do 'fork out the cash'
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
Been writing checks like no business
The families of Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson, Jamaal Charles, & Brandon Flowers all would like to say hello. From vacation.
KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012
Buffalo's payroll has been consistently higher than KC's.
#knowledgeispower
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
#twitterisgay
Likely because they’ve had to pay higher amounts to attract talent to town. Plus with all those shitty draft picks from the Juaron era this doesn’t surprise me
KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012
So you're wrong, then
Thanks.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
For homegrown talent
they’re M.O. is to let them walk. Name some players other than Kyle Williams they’ve opened their wallets for? Ralph Wilson is cheaper than Clark Hunt, face it
KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012
he just threw away $60 mil on a below avg starting QB.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
Keyword: homegrown
They overpaid on a trending QB who took an epic nosedive performance wise
KansasCityShuffle - February 16, 2012
IDK, I'd have to look
They gave McGee a big contract, and they drafted him. The counter to that, is how many ‘great’ players have they let walk? May just be that they’ve drafted poorly.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
"Just?"
MNchiefsfan - February 16, 2012
As in recently
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
3 years is forever in football
And frankly, it’s ridiculous to bash him for being cheap then turn around and bash him for taking a chance.
MNchiefsfan - February 16, 2012
The notion of it being 60 million is silly as well.
In purely guaranteed money its nowhere near 60 million, remember all contracts are incentive laden.
nateforchiefs - February 16, 2012
Bud
I’m talking about the Bills owner giving Fitzpatrick $60 mil last season.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
Ahhhh I see
Sorry, pulled an all nighter on a paper. Need to get some sleep…
MNchiefsfan - February 16, 2012
By cheaper, if you mean, consistently has a higher payroll...
Uh, then ok.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
They are switching D's
They just gave Fitz a bunch of money and the town pretty much threw a parade when they got TO. You dont give you QB that much money then let his best target walk. Yes the dude is an idiot with his celebrations but at least he is getting into the EZ. That fan base would go nuts if they let him walk because they were cheap and Nix knows it… Also it isnt just about handing out a contract it is about keeping a good player that could be great if he gets his head right.
KSU-Chief - February 16, 2012
Objectively subjective fan
Most likely, Jackson will be the top free agent WR because of his size, production (who was throwing the ball to him) and the fact that he was already franchise-tagged last year. With that being said, I would definitely want Bowe on my team – the guy has been consistently good for the most part with a circus of qbs, better run blocker, and his YAC speaks for itself. Add on top of that the facts he is young and home-grown makes it even more likely he will stay as a Chief.
Chiefs1987 - February 16, 2012
Bowe gets the franchise tag
You know why? Because Pioli can’t risk him leaving, because Pioli’s reputation is tied to how good Cassel looks on the field, and in the stat column. Bowe makes Cassel look better, which in turn makes Pioli look better.
Carr is more valuable to the team, but I worry that we are at a much greater risk of losing him.
DoNotAlterWalter - February 16, 2012
The more I read about Routt...
They more comfortable I am with replacing Carr with him.
Sounds like Routt isn’t a #1 CB…which is fine, we have Flowers. Routt excelled as a #2 CB next to Asomugha. Seems like the Raiders just made another bad move and tried to make a #2 CB #1 by paying him like a #1…even though he’s not at that level. I think Routt would be great playing opposite Flowers.
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
Agreed
But I’d still rather keep Carr.
Eastcoastransplant - February 16, 2012
agreed
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
How is Routt in man vs. zone?
Looked, at least to my eyes, like Romeo asked Flowers and Carr to play A LOT of man-to-man this year with little help at times. Seemed like a big advantage to be able to do that.
polodude017 - February 16, 2012
He was good across from Asomugha in the Raiders man-heavy scheme.
But, again, when left in single coverage on the opposing team’s best receiver with zero help all year, he didn’t fare as well.
MtHammer - February 16, 2012
I think that also had to do with our loss of Berry
Eastcoastransplant - February 16, 2012
Latest
Any word on the 2 day meetings?
Kneerat - February 16, 2012 via mobile
Fallacy.
Pioli’s reputation is tied to whether we start winning playoff games and championships.
Cassel’s success in particular doesn’t matter.
TRSChief - February 16, 2012
Eh I dunno
Whether we start winning playoff games and championships is directly tied to Cassel’s success. If Cassel doesn’t succeed, the team doesn’t succeed.
Pioli’s job is to stock this team with good players. The most important position is QB. Therefore, if the team (ie Cassel) fails, Pioli will take the brunt of the criticism. IMO it would be deserved.
TheScootness - February 16, 2012
Not really.
Another QB can be brought in if we can find one, that takes Cassel’s job. Cassel ends up riding the pine, new QB does better, we win.
Nobody goes, “Ooooh, we won the AFC Championship game this year, but Pioli failed because Cassel got replaced!”
So, no.
TRSChief - February 16, 2012
Ok I gotcha
My premise was that Pioli didn’t find a replacement and that Cassel was the starter again and ultimately failed.
In my mind, if Pioli does find a replacement and he performs better than he’s doing his job. Cassel wasn’t a mistake at the time, but it’s time to move up a notch and everyone can see it. Pioli is only failing if he fails to address the obvious.
TheScootness - February 16, 2012
That's exactly what I'm saying.
People keep saying Pioli’s entire career is somehow staked to Cassel and he’ll just stubbornly go down with the Cassel ship because of it.
It makes no sense.
Pioli’s rep will be tied to whether he can make the Chiefs a winner. Get us some playoff wins. Get us to the super bowl.
Nobody’s going to give a shit if it’s not done with Cassel driving the bus, or somebody else.
TRSChief - February 16, 2012
I think that people assume that Pioli has some blind faith in Cassel
And will continue to let him be the sole starting QB without any competition. While I don’t particularly care for some of the things Pioli does, I have to assume he’s smarter than this.
He sees the same things all of us do. He has to realize that Cassel is not quite cutting it. If he doesn’t address the problem this season or (God forbid) next season then I’d agree with the theory that he’s “stubbornly going down with the Cassel ship” and needs to be fired himself.
TheScootness - February 16, 2012
He might be the #4 FA WR
but he’s #1 in my heart
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
3 guys with great QB's throwing to them and then Bowe gets .......well whatever we had at QB
What is Welker without brady = ?
V-jack with Phillip = ?
Wallace without Ben = ?
Bowe without a QB = still a beast
km230015 - February 16, 2012
There's also the fact that
Bowe and Welker have put up similar numbers over the same span. And that’s with Welker having a better ALL WORLD QB and not being the lone target for much of his career. Where as Bowe has been the Only target for much of his tenure and had Larry, Curly, and Mo throwing to him.
Eastcoastransplant - February 16, 2012
I heard some Saints fan say they heard on local sports radio in LA that if they don't get Colston taken care of, Bowe is an option.
Went to LSU, playing half of your games indoors, having that Brees fella throwing to you. I dont think he’d put up 2010 numbers since they spread the ball around so well, but I could see him thriving in that system.
CharlieConway - February 16, 2012
Seems like if they can't afford Colston, they can't afford Bowe...
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
Yeah, I have no idea what their cap space is.
Just a dude in a fantasy league of mine, said they discussed Bowe and what he brings on a show a couple of days ago.
CharlieConway - February 16, 2012
They have a huge problem with cap space
And Bowe will probably get a bigger contract than Colston, so I don’t see him going there unless he takes a discount…which doesn’t seem likely.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
good point
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
so we can sign nicks and colston, ok works i guess.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
I say we sign Brees
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha
upamtn - February 16, 2012
IT TAKES CARE OF A POSITION OF NEED
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
Never going to happen
But it would be so nice to actually have a QB.
Eastcoastransplant - February 16, 2012
you think the Saints aren't going to re-sign Brees? really?
upamtn - February 16, 2012
haha
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
Takes care of a couple of needs, without downgrading a whole lot from Bowe to Colston.
I think most Chiefs would love that. Saints on the other hand….
CharlieConway - February 16, 2012
yea i thought it would be a funny convo
bowe is gonna get top WR money and they are trying to figure out if it is gonna be Colston or Nicks unless Brees is in the market for giving discounts.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think Welker is definitively ahead of any of those guys.
He’s older and he has a game that doesn’t fit well in all offenses. He’s great for the Pats with Brady, but I don’t know if he’s that good in any other situation. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a great player and I like him, but if I’m a team looking to sink money into a FA WR, I’d probably go with the other three over him.
In my opinion they are all really interchangeable depending on what facet of the game you want to stress. Welker doesn’t fit it some offenses, he’s older and smaller. Jackson has off the field issues. Wallace isn’t overly developed as a route runner. Bowe has the dropsies sometimes.
polodude017 - February 16, 2012
He has the best QB in NFL history throwing to him. He's not that good
and he dropped that pass in the 4th that would have probably lead to a NE super bowl victory.
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
Ok, I think you're taking my point a little too far.
Your second point should really have no bearing here. He’s probably got the best hands of the four.
polodude017 - February 16, 2012
agreed
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
it wasn't a perfect pass ... so maybe Brady isn't "the best" huh?
come on, man … Welker is VERY good
upamtn - February 16, 2012
If you want to base his career on one play
Then Yes, Welker sucks.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
Thank you for agreeing.
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
thats why bowe sucks right
he doesnt go all out, that is what the experts say.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
I don't think effort was at fault on Welker's drop
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
but it hit him in the hands
where as Bowe had 4 steelers around a poorly thrown ball.
but everyone was blasting Bowe for that.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
Agreed, if we want to break down those two individual plays
Welker sucks and Bowe shouldn’t have gotten as much blame.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
Wes doesnt suck i just laugh at the perception of the 2
km230015 - February 16, 2012
If the perception of the two is that Welker has better hands
It is accurate.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
No that Bowe is looked at and judged off that one play and
Welker is given the “but look at his body or work”
km230015 - February 16, 2012
Who is judging Bowe on one play?
I love the guy, but I have about 10 drops of his etched in my brain.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
not the drop his effort
i am to lazy to look (ESPN is 1 i know), but i have seen some columnists use that play as an example of why he is not worth top WR money and we let him walk.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
He got a lot of that rep early in his career from Haley
Who had him on the pine. I think he has outgrown the ‘lazy’ label myself.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
Yea i just think it is funny.
If people still want to sleep on him fine. I think with a legit QB he would be putting up insane numbers.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
So, what's the deal with Baldwin
does this kid have his shit together?
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
IMO that should really have little bearing on Bowe's situation.
polodude017 - February 16, 2012
oh i agree just curious
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
we'll find out in due time if Baldwin has it together or not
upamtn - February 16, 2012
Outside of that San Diego game on Halloween, he wasnt consistant at all.
But on offense last year, nothing was consistant. A rookie WR, a lockout, a dumb mistake that cost him several games, 3 different QBs, 2 different Head Coaches. Quite the whirlwind.
CharlieConway - February 16, 2012
Bowe will get franchied the next two year.
chad unit - February 16, 2012
can only get Franchised 1 time from now on
km230015 - February 16, 2012
Are we sure about this?
Anyone have a link?
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
but you can get tagged twice?
chad unit - February 16, 2012
I believe with the new CBA, a player can only get the tag once.
CharlieConway - February 16, 2012
this new cba stuff is confusing.
chad unit - February 16, 2012
not any more , there are 2 types of tags but only can get tagged once by a team
km230015 - February 16, 2012
reading sports nation RECIEVER ROULETTE they have on the side on the home page today.
sounds like they can tag a guy twice, when you read about vincent jackson they said he was tagged and they could tag him again?
they also said bowe was asking for santonio holmes type money at 5 years, 45 million, 24 million gaurnateed. thats not bad at all when you think about it for a guy like bowe?
chad unit - February 16, 2012
well, there's the Franchise Tag and another type of tag
I believe the Franchise Tag can be used only once per player … the other is a “restricted” type
upamtn - February 16, 2012
when you say the other tag, can we use both on bowe and not lose him for 2 years?
did you read that reciever roulette? what do you think of that kind of deal if thats what he wants? fair?
chad unit - February 16, 2012
no, you use one or the other
franchise tag he stays for a year and is free agent again next year … the other tag is a restricted, but he can sign with another team anyway if they match or beat your offer (but you get a draft pick in return)
upamtn - February 16, 2012
ok, reading that made me think of this.
lets say we have every intention of signing bowe ( or can we franchise him and use the other tag on another guy like carr? ) if we can do that and intend on losing one or the other (hopefully neither) I sure hope they use that tag on one where we atleast get value in a pick in return, if they have no intention of signing him low ball his number knowing another team will pick it up.
can we do that?
chad unit - February 16, 2012
Exclusive tag gets 2 1sts, i think
km230015 - February 16, 2012
could we use the exclusing and low ball hoping someone makes a bigger offer and get 2 firsts?
I would do that with both bowe and carr that might be our way of moving up for RGIII
chad unit - February 16, 2012
not with both but with one of the two.
chad unit - February 16, 2012
No another team has to make the offer and we decline to match
km230015 - February 16, 2012
well, I have no clue of their intention ... but if all he's asking is $5 Mil/year they'd be insane not to get it done
upamtn - February 16, 2012
that would be 5/45 = 9 million a year.
chad unit - February 16, 2012
maybe something like this?
year 1 12 million
year 2 12 million
your gauranteed 24 is already up
year 3 9 million
year 4 6 million
year 5 6 million
45 million 5 years 24 million gauranteed.
chad unit - February 16, 2012
Grow our own!
Pay the man!
ArrowDread - February 16, 2012
Dunno
Depends on what the next guys growing. What if you totally suck at growing, well, ya gotta pay the man obviously.
severn58 - February 16, 2012
ASTQB's Rankings
1. Mesean Jackson
2. Dwayne Bowe
3. Vincent Jackson
4. Mike Wallace
Don’t think Welker is worth a damn without Brady.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
Didnt Welker play somewhere before NE?
What did he do there.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
Miami Dolphins
2005 – 29 REC / 434 YDS / 15.0 AVG / 0 TD
2006 – 67 REC / 687 YDS / 10.3 AVg / 1 TD
Everything else has been since he went to NE in 2007.
Link
TRSChief - February 16, 2012
Welker is worth way more to NE than he would be for most any other team
They utilize him in a way that maximizes his productivity.
That doesn’t mean he isn’t worth a damn. For instance, what they ask him to do, he would do much better than MeSean.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
I agree MeSean and Welker would suck in each others roles.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
I think Mesean is the most exciting player in the league. Just vastly underpaid and knew that his career could be over with one big hit.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
All about perception
had he played the contract thing different he wouldnt have gotten Mesean. but hey guys make mistakes If wallace is #2 in FA Mesean is “Wallace +” yet drops because of attitude. Philly may get him on the cheap due to PR.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
Right, Pats know how to use him but Brady is accurate enough to hit a 5’5’’ man in stride among a bunch of defensive monsters. It’s crazy watching how small the holes are when he passes to Welker. Not too many QBs in the league who can consistently hit the small guys.
Cassel has a 6’2’’ monster and a 6’5’’ monster and still can’t hit ’em.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
right
and that’s why the Patriots won the Super Bowl!
upamtn - February 16, 2012
What's that got to do with the price of rice?
MNchiefsfan - February 16, 2012
I'll trade you a bag of rice for your nice catch of several red salmon ...
upamtn - February 16, 2012
ie, Brady's very good, yes ... but Welker is also very good
ie, good WRs help out any QB, even the good ones
upamtn - February 16, 2012
Ah...
MNchiefsfan - February 16, 2012
Hey brady cant be perfect
not like he's Tebow or somethingkm230015 - February 16, 2012
Been to 5 of the last 11
Doing something right.
TRSChief - February 16, 2012
not arguing that at all!
a lot of somethings
upamtn - February 16, 2012
Wish we had some of those somethings. =(
TRSChief - February 16, 2012
we do have some somethings, we just need more somethings
upamtn - February 16, 2012
Hrm. Go fish.
TRSChief - February 16, 2012
MeSean good but too soft
Bowe would beast mode his ass
ArrowDread - February 16, 2012
Don’t matter if you can’t touch him.
I think you need to rewatch that ’07 Cal/Oregon game.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
Jackson would be whining and crying on the sideline
everytime Cassel hit his ankles with a pass
ArrowDread - February 16, 2012
ha!
upamtn - February 16, 2012
Cassel would be lucky to pass to THA1
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
why would you want a whiny, me-first, non-team player like that on the Chiefs?
upamtn - February 16, 2012
one NOT better than the guy we have at the moment.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
Because he's an incredible talent who can single handedly win games
He might have the Peyton Hillis “me first” attitude, but he backs his shit up
HIV 2 Elway - February 16, 2012
backs it up with what, sulking?
whining? not playing to the best of his abilities because he didn’t get his brand new, shiny contract like he wanted?
great team player there, huh!
no thanks …
upamtn - February 16, 2012
He quits during a game
I dont care how much talent you have, take that shit somewhere else. TO had talent to and teams were better off with him packing
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
yup, same with Moss
talent w/o effort is nothing
upamtn - February 16, 2012
Talent is the most important thing in professional sports.
It’s this attitude that results in having a roster filled with such game breakers as Urban and Lance Long.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
Eagles
Miami Heat
km230015 - February 16, 2012
Did you seriously use the Heat as your example? They made it the Finals their first year together and are obliterating teams this year.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
They should have not lost a game
they have the most talent.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
They should of won the finals with no problem
I believe what is trying to be said is just because you fill a locker with talent, doesnt mean it will all gel. Chemistry is just as important
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
yup
km230015 - February 16, 2012
I’ll take the talent and will deal with tough losses in the Finals as opposed to hoping a crew of “Right 53ers” can scrape out a playoff appearance.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
They already talking about which of the 3 gonna bail
cause they cant afford to keep all three at the money and pay the other 9-12 guys
km230015 - February 16, 2012
I thought Battier, Haslem and others signed up to play for free?
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
Naw they just Ring-Ridin
km230015 - February 16, 2012
Finals or right 53??
Basketball or football? eagles didnt go anywhere
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
That really supports your arguement
HIV 2 Elway - February 16, 2012
if talent is the most important thing in professional sports then the 2011 Broncos should not have won a single game with Tebow at QB
upamtn - February 16, 2012
Ouch
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
They have a lot of talent on defense
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
why yes, yes they do!
which supports the argument that it’s a team game, a team sport … it’s NEVER one guy
upamtn - February 16, 2012
Because he's the most explosive player in the NFL
I think he’ll chill out when he finally gets paid.
He was getting a few hundred grand putting up insane numbers taking dome smashing hits all the time. Did you see Dunta Robinson try to kill him?
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
Philly has a roster full of "explosive" players
Vick is the most explosive QB in the league, Well maybe not with CAM. but you get the point.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
well, see ... there it is
Carr was putting out even when he wasn’t getting paid … a whole lot of players do that: they earn their future huge paydays by going all out on every play, and letting the poker chips (money) fall where they may … it they play hard AND have the talent, they’ll get the big bucks w/o sulking and whining … that kind of “bad attitude” is what costs games, and nobody wants that kind of player around, regardless of talent
upamtn - February 16, 2012
How quickly you forget everything Desean did for Eagles. And how do they repay his hardwork and sacrifice…by going OUTSIDE the organization, throwing crazy cash to everyone but the man who had been there.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
thats the biz dont hate the player hate the game
Philly did what every team does. His mistake was thinkin ghe was special.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
not the point here
is Jackson a team player of a me-first player?
does he want the TEAM to win or HIMSELF to make tons of money?
if he’d kept his mouth shit and played his hardest all year he’d likely already have his payday …
upamtn - February 16, 2012
Just like Carr already has his payday?
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
He will or someone else will pay him he served his time without complaint
km230015 - February 16, 2012
I think Desean will get paid as well.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
Different situation
He said “LIKELY”….
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
What you dont see about Jackson is in the locker room
He might be someone that brings up a red flag to give high dollars.. Why invest in something that might cause problems ( LJ)
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
Do you see MeSean in the locker room? His teammates seem to like him
HIV 2 Elway - February 16, 2012
NO but I am guessing by how he gives up on the field
and that the team doesnt seem to want to pay him, there must be an issue
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
They already said they were going to franchise him
HIV 2 Elway - February 16, 2012
Ok
Thats a year…What about long term
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/page/bryant-120215/desean-jackson-philadelphia-eagles-franchise-player-evidence-nfl-player-power-limits
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
Yea to bad they have no examples of this
before they choose football.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
Ok
So what about everyone else who doesnt cry when they arent getting paid yet? I understand they want to get paid before the can suffer a career ending injury but there is a way about doing it
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
Forte did it the “right way” and ended up blowing out his knee. He’s now going to get a lowball contract. Why show such respect for the owners/GMs when they obviously don’t care about the players.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
Not saying it is right but that is the system
and it is not gonna change anytime soon.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
I could give examples of players that did do it the right way and were paid well
you either act like a child or act like a man. The money is going to come off of just talent regardless, but to act like a bitch because it isnt happening when you want it to is not right
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
I agree it’s not as fun for the fans. But from the players perspective, they get one, maybe two chances to get a contract. Jackson was tremendously underpaid through his rookie deal and vastly outperformed it.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
so what about players who underperform and are overpaid even for a rookie contract?
I understand your point but it works both ways … ultimately, if the guy is talented enough and works within the system, the system will take care of him
upamtn - February 16, 2012
If the contract is not guaranteed, these types of guys get cut all the time.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
Underperforming players get cut
See Stanford Routte
HIV 2 Elway - February 16, 2012
Overpaid get cut
See Stanford Routte
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
still get paid
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
So did Arian Foster
And RB is more Volatile
km230015 - February 16, 2012
OK?
So his rookie contract is “underpaying”..When its up either sign with Eagles or sign elsewhere.
Doesnt give him a reason to stomp his feet like a child. He signed a contract and now has to honor it. The owners are pieces of work themselves, and the players know this. But as a MAN, you are required to act a certain way. Hell, he is a role model to some kid in Philly. That is showing the kid, if you dont get what is fair, throw a fit.
There is other ways of handling it, thats all
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
Players don't need to give a shit about being role models
HIV 2 Elway - February 16, 2012
Ok what about being a fucking man
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
True
And Mesean actually is a good one. He’s leading the whole anti-bully thing and has been praised many times for his efforts.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
and then he cries on field?
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
He's being bullied by the Eagles
km230015 - February 16, 2012
Haaa
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
and sorry
they are role models automatic. They dont have to give a shit about it but the ones that do get paid more at the end.
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
But he put the team first
HIV 2 Elway - February 16, 2012 via mobile
Always take care of you and yours first
but does he have to act like a bitch during the process?
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
Man a lot of hate. Isn’t the GM acting like a bitch by throwing money around like a drunken sailor at EVERYONE except your #1 WR who had multiple 1,000-yard seasons and single-handedly won games.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
He had a great 2009 season
been declining ever since.
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
2008: 62 rec/912 yards/4 TDS
2009: 62 rec/1156 yards/12 TDs
2010: 47 rec/1056 yards/8 TDs
2011: 58 rec/961 yards/4 TDs
TDs are total TDs not reception TDs. Also tough to quantify his field position contributions either through his punt returns or punters kicking out of bounds in fear.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
So what's your point?
Reception TDs..
9 (2009)
6
4 (2011)
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
Your statement of “he’s declining every year” is overly harsh. He is still a top flight WR and return man and has proven that over his career.
Even with his overplayed drama, he still put up great numbers.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
Your statement of “he’s declining every year” is overly harsh. He is still a top flight WR and return man and has proven that over his career.
Even with his overplayed drama, he still put up great numbers.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
Dude has been a stud every year since coming into the league
He had VY for part of the year and still almost put up 1000 yards
HIV 2 Elway - February 16, 2012
Not sure where we are going with these arguments here
I dont think his talent is in question. I said he acts like a little bitch who doesnt get her way, therefor, I can understand being sketchy about giving him longterm deal.
Are you saying it is ok to not even finish running your routes on national television and give up on your team just to wave the finger at your GM and Owner? Just because he has talent and was underpaid? Not sure what the hell we are even talking about anymore
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
I just will never understand how many APers consistently side with the GMs and Owners.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
Not siding with them
They set the system up for themselves not the players whining about it now does no good.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
I am not sure if there is a side anyone is picking
The crybaby shit that goes on with these players, especially WR, is a part of the game I can do with out.
Not sure where that says I side with the GM and owners? But it is the Owners money and he has a right to take everything into account before investing in a player.
It is no different then teams passing on players with talent but character issues.
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
I just think this particular case has a lot more to do with a undersized, fragile WR as opposed to a “diva” WR.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
Ok so why are we arguing?
If you are saying he is undersized and fragile, shouldnt there be reason to delay the signing?
I understand players want to get paid before something happenes that they cant, but Owners want to make sure they pay someone that doesnt cause issues, stops playing once they get money, or gets hurt and becomes useless.
Its a grimy sport for both sides, but acting like a child instead a grown man is something that shouldnt be tolerated
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
first priortiy isnt always the easiest to get the deal done
there is other things that factor in with why he isnt getting paid. I honestly feel they should of but now since he displayed what a jackass he is, I could give a fuck less. If he would of kept his cool, he would of looked like the good guy in all this
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
This
km230015 - February 16, 2012
not hate.
they were using the rules to bring in better players while negotiating with the in house people. he was just mad he didnt get his now instead of later. That is the way it is setup for all the players he is not special.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
awwwww
the poor players. Not like they are Jews and thrown into a concentration camp… they can use their college education to get a real job if they want. oh wait……………………………………………..
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
Whoa dude you going deep.
ah hell Slavery……..etc.
Never mind it don’t feel right.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
No shit
lol
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
Yeah.. I just hate when people feel pity for players
Or when players say “i got kids to feed” I feel like hitting them in the face with a bag full soap bars.
Point is, they don’t have to play. They aren’t being forced into these “bad situations”. They get paid millions…. they take on any risk involved.
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
Might be a fun guy to party with
who knows why his teammates like him. He might be a stand up guy. The fact we do know is that he gave up on the field, cried, and Eagles for some reason dont seem to wanna pay him yet
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
People say that about Charles but, you gotta catch'em 1st
Bowe is still better though.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
People say that about Dex
but oh wait, we run him with draw plays up the middle.
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
you just made me sad
forcing me to now visualize DEX-Draws
km230015 - February 16, 2012
x
Brad-KC - February 16, 2012
I wonder it Cassel or Whatever QB
just shouts at the line, “Dex-Draw, Dex-draw, Hut.”
I wonder what the actual % of that play “working” getting more that 4 yards.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
That play is always good for 6-10 yards
…when it’s 3rd and 17
TRSChief - February 16, 2012
Maybe i should rephrase
ending result 1 to 2 yards close to a 1st down.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
I really like Bowe and believe that his stats would be much better with a better QB.
I can recall some drops obviously but I also recall play after play where the passes to him were way off. He’s also the type of receiver where if more of his catches were in stride, his stats would sky rocket. Bowe’s ability for yards after catch are awesome. Just imagine his total yards if he was getting his passes in stride from a Maning, Brady or Rogers.
jcox31mc - February 16, 2012
If Mesean played in a nationally televised primetime game every week
He’d probably put up about 2,500 yards and 25 TDs.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
I think you have that backwards
upamtn - February 16, 2012
Fool always shows up when the lights are bright.
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
perhaps, but fool don't show up the rest of the time, and that's the problem
if fool HAD showed up more often this past year instead of being a selfish, whiny, crybaby me-first and the gimme-gimmes his team might have won more games …
just a thought, yanno?
upamtn - February 16, 2012
The asshole has a name
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
and your point?
upamtn - February 16, 2012
Sounds like something a chic would say
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
And was no point
but if you figure it out, let me know
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
I'd welcome Bowe back, but I think he wants a big market team for the Bowe Show.
My 2 biggest issues with him are his inabilities to get open and drops at game difference making opportunities. No doubt he has been a focal point for our offense at the receiver position, but I have not been overwhelmed by his efforts. the drafting of JB makes me think that Scotty Pioli isn’t all that sold with him.
dubld - February 16, 2012
i know someone posted about putting the non-exclusive tag on Carr
but if it is put on Bowe i wonder if someone would be moe willing to bite and give up picks.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
No one is giving two firsts for Bowe.
saskwatch - February 16, 2012
Why?
According to AP, he’s the 3rd best WR in the NFL.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
If Bowe thinks he is the 3rd best WR in the league, the best case scenario he plays one more year in KC (on the tag).
No way does he get a long term deal that makes him one of the 2 or 3 top paid WR in the league.
saskwatch - February 16, 2012
Yup.
Are we sure that you cannot give a franchise tag more than once? I looked around on the interwebs and couldn’t find that anywhere.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
Supposed to be part of the CBA going forward
Any event i know no one is giving up 2 1st but the exclusive lets the agent shop his guy for a deal. I think that would give hi his value and then the FO could decide if he is worth it if not get compensation or work our a trade.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
Do you have a link to this?
I have seen you say it a few times that it is part of the new CBA, but I have yet to find that fact online, and would think it would’ve been fairly major news. Not saying you’re wrong, just would like verification.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
I do remember hearing that they no longer could do it, but even if it was an option it never used to happen for a reason.
You had to pay the player 120% the value of the franchise tag in year two. (based on average of the top 5 players at position or 120% of you previous years salary (whichever is higher).
saskwatch - February 16, 2012
It rarely happened, but it did happen a couple times.
kcsno56 - February 16, 2012
Not 2 1st but a lesser trade off of that tag.
like Cassel he was tagged then traded.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
WalterFootball has the FA WR's ranked:
1) Mike Wallace
2) Dwayne Bowe
3) Vincent Jackson
4) Wes Welker
5) Stevie Johnson
6) Brandon Lloyd
7) Marques Colston
8) Desean Jackson
9) Mario Manningham
10) Reggie Wayne
ExRoyalsFan - February 16, 2012
sounds about right Desean might could argue going higher
Due to the fact you can put him back to take a punt if you need big plays.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
oh yeah and swap Bowe nd Wallace.
km230015 - February 16, 2012
People LOVE Brandon Lloyd. Isn’t he like 35?
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 16, 2012
He's 30.
Considering how late he bloomed, he should still have at least a few good years left in him.
MtHammer - February 16, 2012
I don't get all the Wallace love, dude has 1 route
Must be because he’s a youngster.
severn58 - February 16, 2012
yea i think age is a huge factor with that
he has the ever popular “potential”
km230015 - February 16, 2012
Moss had more then one route?
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
Go route, Deep Post?
km230015 - February 16, 2012
No
it was go deep and catch this.. Moss cant run a route for shit
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
Gotta have a QB that can get him the ball on his one route
These guys can sign anywhere (barring being tagged), so I’d put a few of those guys over Wallace because they’re more “complete” receivers. Wallace wouldn’t do a whole lot here, or say Cleveland. He’d just be running in a straight line, fast, but just out for a Sunday stroll.
severn58 - February 16, 2012
I agree
Just saying some receivers dont need much more then one route. I havent caught on to his hype myself but he is a deep threat for sure.
Does anything do good in Cleveland? Manning would be shit in Cleveland
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
I think Manningham is gonna be the steal of this WR class if he leaves NY.
CharlieConway - February 16, 2012
Manningham had a disappionting year, statistically
ExRoyalsFan - February 16, 2012
Absolutely, but he played a big chunk of it injured, and then Cruz's emerge didnt help.
But with his speed, experience in the slot, I think he’s gonna make his next employer happy. I just hope it’s not in SF.
CharlieConway - February 16, 2012
When they make these list
are the taking talent or the overall picture?
I mean, age is a big one of course. Then you have a guy like Desean Jackson who stop running routes in a baby like protest. He is talented, but shows that if things dont go his way, he will throw a fit. That drama queen act would make me think he it would effect spot on list
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
1. Vincent Jackson
2. Mike Wallace
3. Dwayne Bowe
4. Desean Jackson
5. Wes Welker
BJ Kissel - February 16, 2012
Jackson is the only issue I have
talent yes, asshole yes
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
assholes are still allowed to catch TD's
I just want the dude out of our division.
BJ Kissel - February 16, 2012
no no..desean jackson
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
ooohhhh
got ya, colston should be in top 5 consideration too. if NO wasn’t so loaded on offense his #’s would be much higher
BJ Kissel - February 16, 2012
You gotta think though
out of this list, seems Bowe does most with less. Colston is good dont get me wrong, but I wonder how good Bowe would be with an Elite QB
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
Ype match QB's for all those WRs
km230015 - February 16, 2012
*Yes
km230015 - February 16, 2012
we'll find out with peyton next year :)
BJ Kissel - February 16, 2012
do NOT go there, young man!
upamtn - February 16, 2012
you KNOW it's possible
friendly bet Ups?
BJ Kissel - February 16, 2012
absolutely ... name your terms, homeslice!
upamtn - February 16, 2012
fanpost describing the others' awesomeness
BJ Kissel - February 16, 2012
you realize it's gonna be hard for you to make shit up describing just how insanely awesome Iam
you, Sir, are on!
and I look forward to your amazing fanpost, long and full of
shitwin for yours truly (huge grin)upamtn - February 16, 2012
I make up shit all the time
no prob.
BJ Kissel - February 16, 2012
good point ...
… I see it a lot on SBNKC ;-)
upamtn - February 16, 2012
just wait till the podcast starts :)
BJ Kissel - February 16, 2012
yanno, with my background I should be doing some of that ...
upamtn - February 16, 2012
let
BJ Kissel - February 16, 2012
err.. let
BJ Kissel - February 16, 2012
I'll email in a bit
upamtn - February 16, 2012
perfect
BJ Kissel - February 16, 2012
my cpu is going crazy
lets set it up. need someone that has done the technical side
BJ Kissel - February 16, 2012
sent
upamtn - February 16, 2012
Think about it
Look at those receivers Manning has made look really good. I dont think they would even play if Cassel was QB.
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
I dont think he is top 5
TheScreenName - February 16, 2012
Bowe is number one
Imagine what bowe would do with a real qb, a qb that didn’t stare him down the whole time and actually read a defense.
Chiefsdodgerslakers2415 - February 16, 2012
baldwin slides to the 1, breaston to 2, can find a wr in fa or draft.....
there are legit reasons why they could move on without bowe….
losing carr on the other hand makes no sense to me.
SDChief - February 16, 2012
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