Arrowhead Pride

Yeah

I think the Chiefs do deserve some criticism of how they’ve approached free agency in the past but I do think the cap is also a function of how young the Chiefs were starting in 2007 and 2008. Those guys are coming around to their second deals now. We shall see.

Joel Thorman - February 17, 2012 reply

I see the Chiefs throwing some money at Carr and Bowe to keep them on board.

I worry that Carr will move on anyway (like Dale Carter & Albert lewis did). I also see them giving a good look at interior O-linemen during FA. It’s a good year for them in the draft, but the Chiefs won’t go 1st round on a guard (maybe a center), and I believe this is the year they go OT in the 1st or 2nd. Depth needs at RB, TE, and ILB will force them to think about looking for a guard in FA. A late rounder will take a while to develop – if at all.

David Winton - February 17, 2012 reply

So far I've been happy

With JC, DJ, Hali, and Flowers getting retained (as well they should be).

However, I’m growing slightly more concerned with each passing day with regards to Bowe and Carr.

History tells us they’re trying to retain them.

MNchiefsfan - February 17, 2012 reply

no need to worry

again, NOBODY is giving out new deals today… negotiations league-wide really pick up after the combine.

worry if they aren’t signed/tagged by March 5

Clark was a big part of the CBA.

It will be interesting to know if he was one of the key owners that pushed for this option.

The actions they take in the next 2 months could make the Chiefs look like geniuses. If they held back cap last year to intentionally make a huge splash this year, while other teams are forced to cut players due to overspending… wow. the pain of 2011 might be worth it.

Tomahawk29 - February 17, 2012 reply

I still hold to my pet conspiracy theory

that they tried to sign Assmugha.

Clark was a big part of the part of the CBA that gave him more $

big matt - February 18, 2012 reply

yep

Front load the deals into the carried over space. Actually a nice strategy.

Buck'O - February 17, 2012 via iPhone app reply

From what I was hearing was

that if owners didnt execute the carry over, they would have plenty of explaining to do. If they chose not to carry it over, they would just pocket it I think. Could be wrong though

And that would show a clear sign they would rather make money over running a

successful football team

This whole argument doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Clark spends very little of his own money on the team as I understand it. The Chiefs, just as any other team in the league, gets the shared revenue from the total revenue in the league. so 9 billion split among the 32 teams. Why Clark would worry about his own money is beyond me, because he gets this! No motivation not to spend.

Just what I was reading over at PFT

I believe though that the less the owner spends, the more he gets to keep. Why else would they not go balls out every year? I am not for sure and not too educated on this part of it though. Just what I seen on PFT

yeah sure

Cuz we know the biggest spenders always make it to the Super Bowl, right?

Chief_Elmo - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

where the fuck did you read that at??

And actually, most of the playoff teams were big spenders, but thats not my thinking or what I was saying.

You are correct in future years

But that is after the teams are forced to spend starting in ’13.

The Chiefs have been pocketing it for a decade

Yeah.

Just about every team has exercised the option. No reason not to, really.

KansasCityShuffle - February 17, 2012 reply

Get back to me after 5 days pass when free agency starts, and the only free agent the Chiefs have signed is Dan Connolly

Topchief1 - February 17, 2012 reply

It's funny

because that’s the reality. Pioli lets the market die down, he’s shown he doesn’t get into spending spree’s. You definitely wont catch the Pioli’s out on Black Friday’s

And i don't many will complain, really

If Bowe and Carr are already on the roster for 2012 at that point.

KansasCityShuffle - February 17, 2012 reply

I won't complain

I’m not a fan of the big fish, except when they’re our own.

Hell...

If we literally sign no one between now and the draft, but have Carr and Bowe for ’12, I will have no complaints.

That would make for a poor UDFA class

You mean UDFA's from the draft?

They come, you know, after the draft. I said between now and the draft.

And a large % of NFL FA’s are signed post draft.

ha, I read your whole statement wrong before I made my comment....dur

I would be a happier man if we sign Bowe and Carr

but still wouldnt be to happy if we didnt sign any FA.. If we can upgrade through FA, I feel we need to take that opp.

We will sign FA's

Every team does, but we probably won’t be signing any the first week of FA. Pioli hasn’t gotten into that bidding up until now…and I don’t have a big problem with it.

hopefully he doesnt get into bidding before signing Bowe/Carr

Generally I haven't either

We’ve gotten some decent contributors.

However, with NT or OL I’d just as soon he spend high (not that I see it happening necessarily)

MNchiefsfan - February 17, 2012 reply

Especially if

Pioli makes the conscious decision to not bring in competition for Matt Cassel. If he’s going to be our starter, OL and a devoted running game should be priority. NT, DE, and help at S would be nice as well.

shotty - February 17, 2012 reply

WELL SAID pay the man

chieftimbob - February 17, 2012 reply

absolutely!

Buck'O - February 17, 2012 via iPhone app reply

If Pioli signs Carr, Bowe, and Orton...he looks like a genius...

if not, I will hammerfist myself in the balls…

Cant see anything else justifing an ass-whooping

more then this

I mean

he almost broke his i-Pad

Is that what the kids are calling their junk these days?

he almost broke his i-Pad

not sure

ill ask my kids when they get home

Yeah, and I will ask my grandkids and report back.

Mr.Pibbs - February 17, 2012 reply

ok. your older

I win

no, it's my older

PVChiefsfan - February 17, 2012 reply

you mean

you are older? My typo? whoops

Cheers!

That's what he gets for have champagne...

Errrr *having... nevermind

The word "genius" is thrown around far too much

Signing 3 Chiefs free agents, makes him a genius?
…and if he doesn’t I’ll also hammerfist your balls

sounds like a party...

With gusto

Chiefs_40 - February 17, 2012 reply

I think it will be nice to read the reactions

if the Chiefs do spend a lot of money in free agency in 2012.

If the Chiefs re-sign Bowe and Carr everyone will be pretty excited. Now, if they sign Manning/Orton/ Flynn this place will have various reactions depending upon everyone’s individual QB needs, but there will be definite huge reactions.

If the Chiefs go out and sign say, Paul Soliai and Carl Nicks this place will go crazy. It should be a good couple months, it is nice to know that there is going to be a normal offseason.

Everyone is expecting the same old, same old, but we haven’t seen Scott Pioli with any pressure on his job security yet, he may surprise us all… Who knows?

Is it draft time yet?

I know I max out my credit cards as soon as I get them

RememberDelaney37 - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

Always a sound strategy.

sound comparison

sarc

Oh yeah

RememberDelaney37 - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

it actually is

Why shop for value, when money is burning a hole in your wallet?

And to think of all of the game changing free agents we could have had last season

Instead we use it on losers like Steve Breaston and Tamba Hali. Bad move

RememberDelaney37 - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

It's not just the game changing free agents.

It’s the depth that really struggled.

There is no way to know this, but perhaps not being a gazzilion dollars under the “cap” we could have had a couple slightly better special teamers or backup RG’s or whatever. Everyone looks at free agency and says “YA BUT ALBERT HAYNSESWORTH” when the truth is the back of the Chiefs roster is really bad and when we were a blocked FG from making the dance, who knows what a couple dollars spent might have done.

That or I’m full of shit and there is some master plan I’m not privy to.

Ding, ding, ding

Was my primary complaint last offseason. And i was somewhat lucky (actually unlucky) in that my major complaint was not having a backup vet QB and was proven correct. That clearly burned us, possibly cost us a playoff spot.

Biggest mistake Pioli's made in his time here, in my opinion.

But its not like he didn't sign quality depth and free agents

I hate the hind sight argument. There were signings a plenty. They just didn’t work out like we had hoped

RememberDelaney37 - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

yeah

Siler, Sabby, Maneri, Colbert, Gordon, Becht

all “depth” signings

3 good ones, 2 crappy ones

McClain, Breaston, Gregg

were the “starter” signings… all good ones, IMO

+Gaither

What are the 3 good ones?

Curious. Not saying you are wrong, necessarily.

ok, you caught me there :)

I like Siler and Gordon for sure
I guess Maneri, he can be decent depth.

Sabby and Becht would be the crappy ones?

We got some production out of Gordon, and that's it

I don’t really blame them for Siler, though, so i’ll give you 2 decent ones…

fair enough

either way, they attempted to build depth through FA and the draft

really, IMHO, the only major depth concerns are at Safety, Tight End, and QB (though, the Stanzi/Orton moves addressed that, so I don’t hold that against them either)

depth is only a problem when someone misses the whole year, right? :)

We talking '12 now or '11 still?

They made a major tactile error last offseason not addressing the QB position.

A vet backup was a must considering what was behind Cassel. As I said last offseason, you cannot count on your starting QB making it through 16 games.

Wow. Which three of those are the good ones?

big matt - February 18, 2012 reply

You can call it hindsight if you want

And if you don’t believe me, I’ll link you to comments I made last offseason about the backup QB position.

No hindsight. There were plenty of solid FA vet QBs available last year.

I’m just talking about the failure to sign a vet QB in 2011, not his free agency actions in general.

me 2

Although I was disappointed we didn't pay S. Smith to stick around

Considering he made it clear he wanted to stay, we wanted him back and TN couldn’t have outbid us by much…and we were $20 mil under the cap.

Eh. I like him, but he didn't really show a whole lot in TN this year.

So I’m kinda ambivalent about that. For my second biggest Pioli mistake, I think I have to say safety depth.

No, I take that back. 2nd biggest would be what we were just talking about here, Gaither.

If I blamed Pioli, I would agree on Gaither as the 2nd biggest mistake

I was referring to what my complaints were last offseason.

And if we can't see the Haley/Palko connection, we aren't paying enough attention

RememberDelaney37 - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

Part of the GM’s job is to veto shit like that when it’s obvious to everyone surrounding the situation that it’s unacceptable to have Palko as your number 2 going into the season. I don’t get how Pioli gets a pass for that.

this

Because Pioli shouldn't have given Haley what he said he needed.

Gotcha.

Obviously not.

What? Don’t think that’s what I’m saying.

The final personnel decision rests with Pioli. If Haley says a guy like Palko is a capable back up Pioli should consider it and then consider all the evidence that showing otherwise and THEN make a decision. The job of the GM isn’t to go along with everything the coach says.

Never said it was.

But Haley had a big say in what he saw on the field. If he said Palko was his guy, then why would Pioli argue?

Like I said, it was obvious to everyone but Haley (and that’s even debatable) that Palko wasn’t a capable NFL player. If it’s that obvious a decision has to be made by the GM to overrule the coach, and if he doesn’t part of the blame lies at his feet.

And at that point, the move is to fire the coach, not overrule him

Why Would You Fire a Successful HC?

just because you disagree with his decision of backup QB? You simply bring in other options, and cut the guy IF you violently disagree with the HC. But who says Pioli disagreed?

dablueguy - February 17, 2012 reply

Well, as has been said, he went to 3rd string immediately after RAC took over.

kcsno56 - February 18, 2012 reply

What exactly would Pioli have to base a decision on Palko?

He doesn’t really have any game film to speak of, so he would have to go off of what Haley says that he had seen from Palko in practice and his intelligence. Should Pioli have cut Palko mid season after seeing him totally embarrass himself on the field?

RememberDelaney37 - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

Should Pioli have cut Palko mid season after seeing him totally embarrass himself on the field?

It’s not like Haley is the only source of information on Tyler Palko. And even if he were, why wouldn’t you find a player who has proven to be a competent back up ? Instead, they chose a guy who spent two of the last three years in the CFL and the most recent season on another team’s practice squad. It doesn’t take hindsight to figure out that Palko shouldn’t have been in that position going into the season.

Kurt Warner never happened.

I'd guess that Kurt Warner was a little more impressive on the practice field than Palko.

I've never seen an NFL player look worse than Palko looked 2 years ago at Camp

Me and my friends were laughing about it then.

Here's a comment I made from Aug 2010

Here

Love the interwebs.

I remember Weis

haranguing him when they were throwing balls at the nets with targets on them. Weis would bet him $100 that he couldn’t hit the target. I never saw Palko win any money.

I couldn't believe he made the team in '10

But then when we named him #2 this year…I literally couldn’t believe it. Such a complete clusterf__.

The guy was a waste of a roster spot from the beginning. Only way he gets to wear an NFL uniform again on a gameday is if it’s for a Haley coached team.

But he was also arguably the best QB in the preseason

Go figure

RememberDelaney37 - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

I kinda thought it was Stanzi

the way he ran for his life and completed passes while doing it kinda impressed me.

Have you seen his preseason stats?

I never said his stats where impressive

I said he impressed me completing passes while running for his life, shows he knows how to multi-task.

I was talking about Palko's stats

Yeah, they were on par with Cassel's preseason stats

And stats never tell the whole story

RememberDelaney37 - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

I did the math before the Bears game:

Tyler Palko’s career combined preseason and regular season stats: 5 TDs, 18 INTs. 11 fumbles.

And that was mostly preseason stats. No preseason stats don’t tell the whole story, but I had seen enough in ‘10 to know the guy would never be an NFL QB, I don’t know how Haley could’ve missed it.

How did the GM and Personnel Guy Miss it?

dablueguy - February 17, 2012 reply

They probably felt they had to let the HC make that call.

kcsno56 - February 18, 2012 reply

Warner showed a quick release and good awareness

when stocking shelves at Hy-Vee

I dunno.

Not enough to have been on an NFL team before he had to play for the arena league.

Actually I was wrong. Palko spent one year in the CFL after being cut from a UFL team. And Warner had sustained success in the AFL, not even close to the same considering Palko a whole three weeks on the active roster of a CFL team. He wasn’t even a number two in the CFL.

True.

It’s not a perfect analogy. But I’d rather my coaches and gm’s not just discount a guy simply because he was in the CFL.

Haley should have deciphered that he wasn’t good enough. He didn’t (for four freaking games) and we lost because of it.

I’d agree 100% with the first paragraph if the guy had Warner-like success in the CFL.

I can see that.

Bottom line is that we need a GM and HC who can trust each other.

And a coach who won’t lose his mind when the GM makes a decision he doesn’t agree with.

You mean Pioli, of course?

The guy who actually decides on personnel moves.

dablueguy - February 17, 2012 reply

The assumption is that Pioli can watch practices.

And if he doesn’t entirely trust his head coach, he should watch practices. Actually, I KNOW he saw some practice because I saw him walking around the open training camp practices.

Maybe Pioli closes his blinds to

that way he can’t leak info of the practices in his sleep if he is a sleep talker, or no one can hypnotize the info out of him.

So why can't we assume Pioli saw Palko in practice and deem him good enough to keep a roster spot?

As opposed to assuming Pioli is too incompetent to see a player look bad in practice?

RememberDelaney37 - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

That’s really the whole point.

The point is Pioli kept a player for a reason and not because he is incompetent?

RememberDelaney37 - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

No, this discussion came from your comment that Pioli only could go off of what Haley was telling him. The original point was that Pioli deserves just as much of the criticism as Haley for keeping Palko around.

This

If Pioli thought Palko was good enough from what he saw with his own eyes, then he didn't keep Palko for a "reason."

He kept him because of a mistake.

Either Pioli trusted Haley’s eval too much, or he mis-evaluated Palko personally. Either way, it was a mistake.

I’m not a Pioli hater at all. But I recognize that the man’s not Jesus Christ. He can make mistakes, as long as he corrects them in a timely manner.

This. too

Agreed.

I’m on the positive side about what Pioli has done overall, but that was a mistake on his part.

he really didn't want to sign a vet backup QB,

because you really don’t have to look that hard for one that could beat him out. Kyle Orton can.

rdc - February 17, 2012 reply

yea depth was lacking big time for us

safety was one of the areas

Fortunately

Pioli has come out and said their depth sucked, so it’s not like he’s running away from that.

thats a good start

max em out, dont pay them, settle for half later

tried that when I was younger. Worked great til I had to use my credit to buy something.

Yeah, you're the one who raises the rates for the rest of us.

haa

No banks did that on their own.. They actually sent me a 2"x 4" postcard telling me they were raising if I didnt respond to that little itty bitty postcard. This is a credit card I have had and paid on time for 7 years

Nope

Rates are increased due to profitability being lost for writeoffs. Goes both ways.

ah ok. makes sense

You still don't care, do you?

Actually

I said when I was young I tried that ,young meaning 18… I have a quite few credit cards(which I need to get rid of) and pay on them faithfully.. so care about what?

Just pokin' ya.

but your face looked so serious : )

The problem with this comment is that

The Chiefs will have to spend 90% of their credit next year. And only a fraction of unspent cap from 2012 will carry to 2013. it won’t be like this next year. They have nothing to lose in getting close to their 90% mark this off season.

Tomahawk29 - February 17, 2012 reply

I think they sign some big contracts because they have to spend to the cap next year they would have to spend huge $$$$.

It makes more sense to me to start to close the gap to the cap this year so the number they have to spend to get to the salary floor in 2013 isn’t so big.

saskwatch - February 17, 2012 reply

Exactly

Once the Chiefs are mandated to spend, we don’t want Lance Long getting a 4 year $70M contract just to satisfy the CBA.

What about Palco?

Mr.Pibbs - February 17, 2012 reply

With so much cap space

I wouldn’t be surprised if Pioli tried to land a big fish or 2 along with Carr and Bowe

Like a NT?

We are in year 4 of a 34 without getting a true solid NT

Isn’t it entirely possible the current regime doesn’t think the NT is a crucial part of the defense? You’d have thought it would have been addressed by now instead of late round picks and aging vets/

And in that same time period

we have been getting gashed up the middle on runs, so I think right now is the perfect time to seal that and complete the defense

It's possible

Or they have mis-evaluted the ability of the vet players they have brought in, one or the other.

This offseason will say a lot.

mis-evaluated ability of vet players?

like Gaither?

I was referring to the NT position

I blame Pioli 0% on Gaither.

0%?

how so? I agree Haley had a job to play him, but can Haley cut Gaither without Pioli giving the ok?

No reason to keep a guy not playing.

Especially when you have other guys (such as Mims) to protect.

depth?

Mims and Mineri

warmed the bench just as well as Gaither did, and those are two guys still under contract.

Gaither is better then both of them

But he's gone.

That’s my point. If a guy is just warming the bench, you might as well have it be someone who is still going to be on the team in the future. They had to get rid of someone to make room on the roster for Mims.

Only if Haley didn't have such a man crush on Palko

They had to get rid of someone to make room on the roster for Mims.

Ummm, but wait

Stanzi was as bad as, and likely worse than Palko.

How does cutting Palko but keeping Gaither on the bench help us win any more games?

PVChiefsfan - February 17, 2012 reply

How could you know that Stanzi was worse than Palko?

When RAC took over, Stanzi moved to #2 QB.

exactly

that was a Haley thing

I would have rather had Gaither on the bench

than watching Palko fuck my team over

Haley might have put Pioli in a corner where he had to decide between Gaither for the present and Mims for the future.

But I really can’t imagine how he would have done that. I mean, if the reports are true that Pioli meant to fire Haley all along. Maybe Pioli couldn’t fire Haley when the Gaither thing went down because he wasn’t sure yet if Crennel would be willing to take over? I dunno.

I'm sure he meant to fire him all along.

Just not at the exact moment he did. There was no reason to think Haley wouldn’t have lasted till the end of the year if they’d have been somewhat competitive down the stretch, and he wasn’t being such an asshat with the QB situation.

I hope Pioli and Hunt

take the same proactive aggressive attitude they had when they pulled the trigger on canning Haley into FA and the draft.

Time will tell. I for one am growing more and more optimistic we’re making some kind of splash. Probably one or two amazing moves coupled with a handful of headscratchers.

Shanghai_Chiefs - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

Why not keep Gaither to use as RT

keep your boy Mims as depth. If Albert goes down, Gaither steps in at LT, Mims comes in at RT…

You act liek Mims and Mineri had contracts that were too expensive to do anything with

It's not about expense.

It’s about keeping guys you know are going to be on the team in the future. There was no reason to keep a guy not playing who was going to be a FA anyway.

And I’m done.

First off

the whole argument was about kcsno saying Pioli had 0% to do with Gaither being cut.. I said bullshit and you jumped in

At least know what you are even arguing before running your mouth and saying “done”

easy, now...

I had to actually work for awhile sorry I missed this convo

But Tark accurately states my position anyway.

If your coach refuses to play a player that you have on the roster, unless you are going to fire the coach at that point (probably a better option, I’ll admit) you may as well cut the player if he’s not going to see the field.

I see that point

but we didnt spend much to get him, plus why not keep him around for depth? He is better then both bench warmers and T rich.. I think the chiefs made a wrong move evaluating and releasing Gaither,.You guys dont. opinions

You and I agree 100% that he:

A. should’ve been playing at RT and B. should’ve been kept around for depth.

I also agree it was a mistake to release him, I have said so continuously. I just blame the HC who refused to play him, and I’m sure made that clear to Pioli.

which is why IMO

Haley stayed around to long if that was the case. And that falls on Pioli

That's fair...

IMO, Haley should’ve been fired when it was clear he wanted to start Palko in the Chicago game.

So I’ll concede that you can’t say it was 0% Pioli’s fault b/c he could’ve pulled the trigger on Axing Haley earlier. Maybe 10% ;)

give me 12%

I’ll call it good : )

Nah...felt like I was being generous to go 10%

damn

Alright 10%…

TheScreenName - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

Deal

Hey, you got me to correct myself, I don’t exactly love doing that.

WTF?

big matt - February 18, 2012 reply

All Haley had to say was

Gaither sucks ass, I gave him every chance to get on the field and he just not cutting it. Plus I think Mims is gonna be somthing special so I’m gonna start letting him practice with the 2nd team.

Pioli isnt watching over that?

With Pioli and Haleys relationship the way it was, why would Pioli take Haleys word on it? Especially so close to firing him

Because the coach is the one watching these guys everyday

and I think the Gaither situation is one of the pieces to the puzzle that got Haley canned.

maybe

Maybe Haley was going out of his way to say "Gaither Sucks" repeatedly on his cell phone

Pioli knew it was true then.

haa

That sneekster Pioli. always tapping phones.

What makes you think he knew he was close to firing him?

Chances are, if they didn’t totally melt down against the Jets, he wouldn’t have been fired when he was. I really doubt that Pioli had that date circled on his calendar to fire Haley. I’m sure he was going to fire him at the end of the year, but that’s not the same thing.

You are sure he was going to fire him at the end of the year

but that doesnt play into his mind 3 games before the season ends? yea ok

I'm saying...

there is nothing to believe that Pioli was thinking, “Well, I’m going to fire Haley after the Jets game anyway, so maybe I should hang on to Gaither so Romeo can use him the last three games.”

didnt think I said that

I said how can we blame this all on Haley. You guys said because he watches the team daily and can go up to Pioli and say he sucks cut him.

I then said why wouldnt Pioli watch over team as well, and why would he take Haleys word for it when they didnt have the best relationship.

I said especially Pioli being so close to firing Haley. You said Pioli had no idea he was going to fire Haley yet, you were sure that he was firing him at the end of the year, which was 3 games later… Umm

So Pioli must of had some idea he was going to fire Haley 3 games before season ended

if you claim he was for sure going to fire him at end of season.

Pioli might have taken Muir's word for it, though.

then Piolis dumber then we think

Ok heres my thing. If Gaither wasnt cutting it, I am sure it was talked about for a few weeks.

Hard for me to believe that Pioli or anyone else didnt view the situation.

Now I am not saying that they didnt all “fuck up”. I am saying its hard for me to think Pioli didnt fuck up at all.. Kc posted that he thought Pioli had 0% to do with it.. I disagree. The GM always has something to do with any fuck up and any plan that works..Even if its 25%

I agree with you. Just trying to figure out how it all happened...

I can see Pioli taking Muir’s word over his own eyes because despite what we currently think about Muir’s OC stint, he was a very respected O line guy for a very long time. Now, why Muir would have said Gaither should be released, I’m not really sure.

I would love to know how it all happened too

until then, and maybe even then, they all are at fault. Seems Pioli/Haley were getting way to personal and making terrible moves. Seems that way to me, but again, I am outside looking in.

First time poster

I think one possibility could be that Pioli caught wind of some team wanting to get Mims off our practice squad so he knew he had to bring him up. Obviously he should not have cut Gaither, but at the time he wasn’t playing and seemed to be rubbing the coaches the wrong way.

waiting4aplayoffwin - February 17, 2012 via Android app reply

I keep hearing Mims

I havent seen Mims do anything that was to brag about. Yea he is big, but is he someone that has a future starting for us? I might if missed it, and if I did I apologize, but isnt Gaither>>>>>Mims?

Put Gaither as RT and have T rich take the seat Gaither sat at.

You are right about Gaither

And I’m just assuming this because Mims is the one he called up from the PS.

waiting4aplayoffwin - February 17, 2012 via Android app reply

And Palko obviously was rubbing the coaches the right way in the right spot

but doesnt make it the right move.. Just seems that our guys couldnt see Gaither still had it and other people did. Thats what sucks.. And if he stay on bench, who care. Thats a quality backup for not much money

10%

I stand corrected

10% (made a deal with the devil and now I will stand by it)

I think Haley still had a chance

but the meltdown against the Jets along with the 5th blowout of the season. It showed that Haley had lost control of himself and the team and a change needed to be made

Tough to say

It got really ugly after the firing, uglier than a normal firing. That makes me think that Haley would have had to been damn near perfect

This is something that should be addressed this offseason with the Pile of Cash that we have...

it is our biggest need on D in my opinion

There is a good possibility that they were grooming Powe for a year like they dead with Asamoah...

But it is also just as likely that he hasn’t been good enough to see the field like Colin Brown or Alex Magee before being moved away from the team.

The with Powe he looked so good in the preseason it is hard to see that being the case, but we don’t know how he has down behind closed doors…

It is safe to predict that Powe will see the field a lot more in 2012. He could make an immediate impact on the team this year. I wonder how much he learned from Kelly Gregg?

did

hope so!

Powe is an AP myth just like Mims.

It’s something I really hope I’m proven wrong about.

No Powe looked damn good in preseason, Mims looked lost, huge, but lost

Powe made some really nice hustle plays in the preseason. But his technique was awful and he was constantly getting washed out of plays. He was intriguing.

Mims was just huge.

I watched Powe very closely this preseason

I agree he made a couple highlight hustle plays, but I was far from impressed with him at the point of attack.

Now, we haven’t seen him basically since then, so who knows if he improved. It was a mistake to not play him more towards the end of the year, especially when we were eliminated from the Playoffs.

We made that mistake with several players, but I get that RAC was trying to ‘win’ the job for this year.

Powe was projected as first round pick after his junior year

He was a victim of a coach playing him out of position and team’s being scared off by his learning disability. He’s got the potential to be coached up into a heck of a player.

He was projected as a 2nd round pick on AP 10 minutes before the draft this year

Let’s see him actually show something before counting on him as our starting NT next year.

I agree with your sentiment on that Powe is a largely unknown quantity, BUT

Powe and Mims are worlds apart. Your original statement lumped them together.

Powe has NFL talent without a doubt. He also has question marks.

Mims is just big.

Maybe this will sum it up better:
If RAC came out tomorrow and said Mims is the starting RT and Powe is the starting NT, I’d be much more worried about the RT position.

I am lumping them together in the sense that both are more likely to be unemployed

In the NFL in 2 years then starting for the Chiefs.

Both are lottery tickets, Mims is a Powerball and Powe is a scratcher, both usually lose.

Again, I think your sleeping on Powe there, but I'll agree to disagree

Well, your opinion is the popular one around here

Again, AP had the Chiefs taking him in round 2 or 3. The rest of the evaluators in the NFL disagreed and he went in the 6th round.

I hope you’re right, and I’m wrong.

I'm not so sold on Powe that I don't want to see a FA or draft a NT

But I’ve been saying that for 3 years now. At least Powe is a legitmate (if a bit undersized) NT prospect. I’m somewhat happy with that.

But I hope I’m right and you’re wrong as well. On general principal.

Well, Powe wasn't a unique anomaly in that draft.

There were actually several big men, all dedicated 3-4 NT types, who slipped even farther than Powe. It was a very down year for the 3-4 NT tree stumps, and one of the surprises of that draft to people outside the NFL in general. Since then, it’s looked like that might have signaled a shift in the way that 3-4 defenses are run.

Lot of factors play into that though

Draft position isn’t the end all be all. Figure that a Player like Powe only appeals to a small segment of the NFL regardless of his talent or ability. The fact is Powe is not a versatile player, he is strictly a 3-4 NT and a damn good one IMHO. His status as a NT only already eliminates over half the league (4-3 teams) from interest in him. Add in the fact that he is a pure two gap run stuffer and not a penetrator and you eliminate over half of the remaining 3-4 teams. The fact is there are only a few NFL teams for whom Powe is a fit regardless of his ability. Of those teams most already had a nose tackle in place and others were scared off by his learning disability. Fortunately for the Chiefs Powe is a perfect fit at nose tackle for us and was a steal where we got him. I think with a few years under RAC he’ll be a great player for us.

If Powe was to play when we were eliminated from making the playoffs

he would have only played in the Denver game

Ok...?

If he would have palyed good or bad

1 game isn’t enough to show if someone is actually good or not.

palyed=played

See below comment

Would you have preferred him to play a lot in the Den game or not at all?

I was hoping to see him play that game, personally

I wanted him to play all year

Phase him in more as Gregg wore down throught the season

We agree...

Then we’d know a hell of a lot more of what we have going into next year.

This sentiment I can agree with, and it kinds of encapsulates this entire season

The decision on Powe was just one of many that had me scratching my head this year. And probably the least frustrating of the bunch.

I’m lookin at you Stanzi, Gaither, Houston, McClain, Battle, etc…

#1 with a bullet missed opportunity was Rodney Hudson

No reason that guy didn’t start a majority of the season. None.

Sure there is.

Just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t mean that it’s non-existent.

I think he's saying

a snaps streak is not a legitimate reason.

Please give it to me?

Because I am completely convinced that it is a snap streak.

It might not be a good reason, but it is a reason.

I actually wonder even more why he didn’t completely take over for Lilja later in the year. They were splitting snaps by then, and Hudson looked to my untrained eye like he was playing better.

Hudson only played when Lilja was hurt

Yes, and he played a fair number of snaps, and he looked better to my untrained eye than Lilja.

Fine it's a reason

I shot my wife b/c she didn’t bring me dinner fast enough is a reason.

I’m talking about something legitimate.

I would’ve prefered Hudson playing over Lilja over him not playing, but considering Lilja was signed for ‘12 and Weigman wasn’t, and he also clearly looked finished, playing Hudson at C was the obvious move.

Agreed, it was the obvious football move.

There was clearly something besides football that entered the equation, though.

Yes, there was

It was let’s keep this vet’s streak going until he retires. Which was a huge mistake, imo the most obvious of the season along with leaving Palko in as long as we did.

That'd be better that what actually happened

I would’ve liked to see him play most of the second half of the season. Or at least get snaps during that time.

But anything would’ve been better than what actually transpired.

Also look at the FA available over the last 4 years

They haven’t had a whole lot to work with as far as FA NT go so far. Franklin, Rogers (more of a DE than NT), Jamal Williams, Kelly Gregg… not exactly a collection of stellar FA’s

This year, however has a very strong crop of FA NT’s, by far the strongest in recent years.

Franklin still (IMO) would have been better than Gregg

He was very good in the NT position, but didn’t have much of an impact playing DT in the 43. Or maybe I’m completely wrong.

Maybe, kind of a toss up there IMO

Franklin played with a VERY talented supporting cast in San Fran and they didn’t seem to miss a beat without him. I think he may have been pretty over rated by many, in hindsight. Biggest difference I think is that the felt Gregg was a better mentor for Powe. Gregg is a guy who has worked his butt off not just to stay in the league but to become a starter for one of the NFL’s premier defenses. Franklin has a reputation for coasting through on physical ability and a bad work ethic. I think they took the player who was a little further past his prime and less naturally talented because the felt he was a better influence on their young players (kind of a Vrable type.

joplin chiefs fan - February 17, 2012 reply

I like your confidence

Or maybe I’m completely wrong.

yeah, I'm not sold on Franklin

Gregg was solid…

I’d give Franklin a shot this year, but I can’t say for certain that he woudl have been “better” last year

Gregg was below average

Franklin would’ve done better, even if he’s not a perfect fit for what we’re trying to do.

He’s also more expensive…which is the main reason we probably didn’t go after him last year.

i disagree with each of your points

but, we will never know the actual answer

Well he was more expensive, that part is fact

So this regime doesn't find quarterback as a crucial part of the offense?

kcgiant06 - February 17, 2012 reply

and Grubbs or Nicks

then trade back to stock pile picks

Why not use the money to frontload contracts for Bowe and Carr instead of giving them signing bonuses?

Since signing bonuses are prorated over the course of the contract this would allow them to recieve the same amount but also reduce their cap hit in future years. I know alot of people want us to be active in free agency, but if this allows us to retain 2 solid players and provide more savings for future years that could be used on others, it seems like it would be a good idea.

Cassel This! - February 17, 2012 reply

this doesn't mesh with my preconceived notions of mr hunt

so obviously he must be lying.

fongKC - February 17, 2012 reply

Someone isn't selling tickets....

HIV 2 Elway - February 17, 2012 reply

Hustled our dumb asses into renewing...

ArrowDread - February 17, 2012 reply

You can wait...

Not sure exactly how long, but we still haven’t paid and they sent us another letter yesterday ~~begging~~ asking for money.

I typically call a sales guy and get him to say (sometimes takes awhile) that they won’t give our tix away until calling us.

They make it sound like the deadline is always basically tomorrow, but they know as well as we do that season tic sales suck right now.

gotta make room for pay pey

CHIEFS 2012 SUPER BOWL CHAMPZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

no

upamtn - February 17, 2012 reply

could you be a little more clear please?

Joel... Chris

How do you think Ted Crews is doing?

This 30 FA’s in thirty days thing they are doing at the mothership is pretty interesting.
Check it out here!

Seems like they are gearing up the fans for some spending, otherwise why bother with doing that? Right?

Good point.

Yeah if you are a fan of "The Law firm"

Go Check it out it is a feature on him.

Yep

LadyChief - February 17, 2012 reply

I wonder if it's the same deal as their draft preview,

where the draftees they spotlight seem to have an uncanny knack of actually being picked by us.

We're going to sign 30 FAs?

Woohoo!

x

No! Uncanny doesn't mean ALL!

grumblesmartassgrumble……

Well, if they're going to feature 30 FAs.

Chances are, some of the ones the Chiefs sign will be among that group, just by way of statistical probability.

The David Garrard one is curious...

If you go into a season with David Garrard, Kyle Orton and Matt Cassel on the same roster.

Does the world actually explode?

It's hard to imagine a worse idea

3 mediocre QB’s with no chance of improving. And a combined high salary that could’ve landed someone like 18.

Could be any number of things

But I am sure the team knows the temperment of the fans on this issue. Why push the fan interest hot buttons for no reason?

They already did one on Stanford Routt and David Garrard. Who knows what they are trying to do, but I am sure it is a calculated decision.

loyal Chief fan - February 17, 2012 reply

as a die hard…i want bowe, carr, and would love to see solai signed.

kc571 - February 17, 2012 reply

So if you don't carry it over, does Clark just get to pocket that money?

Reminds me of The Producers. You can make more money with a flop than with a hit.

Vince D - February 17, 2012 reply

My two cents

I’ve not read all the above comments, so my apologies if this is repetitive.

I think that if KC does not address the QB position in FA, there is a big problem. Also, if they intend to fix the OL and only want to start one rookie (as stag as intimated), then they need, likely, an OT in FA. I’d also like to see a TE somewhere, either Carlson or (assuming he’s allowed to walk) Finley in FA. The draft is good too, but something tells me Maneri is our guy. How horrid is that?

All that aside, I will be content with signing Bowe and Carr. The OL, QB and TE need to be addressed though.

SCKSChief - February 17, 2012 reply

OL FART & DL FANT & IB :)

Trade up for RG3.. We need RT NT & QB & depth

QB- RG3
NT- Paul Soliai
RT- 3rd round draft pick
Depth- Rest of draft
*At 62m under the cap,if RG3 is Piolis guy I strongly feel he will pull the trigger. Heres to RG3 lighting up the combine!

chief913-816 - February 17, 2012 via mobile reply

I'll add to that by get J.D. from the Texans...

Dressen can be an awesome and productive TE opposite of Tony Moeaki!!!

ChiefsatWar - February 17, 2012 reply

Screw that. Here's to RG3 lighting up before the combine!

/Houston

I got 5 on it

Your 3rd round RT will have to set and learn

behind.. Barry Richardson

ExRoyalsFan - February 17, 2012 reply

talented roster? yes...but does having money seem to matter for the chiefs? no.

pay carr, and then id have some faith in spending the right money

SDChief - February 17, 2012 reply

Heres the thing

As much as we bitch about Hunt/ Pioli not spending money, they seem to be building this thing the right way. The team was gutted and we stuck to the original plan of building through the draft for our core group. Most of this core group as been retained long term. So far, they havnt let anyone walk away and that says a lot. A good handful of guys came from Herms era, but they were drafted a chief, flourished as a chief, and now are re-signed. So though Pioli didnt draft certain guys, he made the move and got the deals done.

Pioli hasnt fell to pressure and went out and started signing a bunch of FAs to hurry and fill holes. He has done it the way it should be done. Now, we have a few holes to fill and that should (and I think it will be) addressed this year.

I am a firm believer on signing the “big fish” FAs when you are close to being a championship contending team and you just need those 1 or 2 pieces to complete. I think we are at that point. QB being the biggest concern, but if we take care of that, we look solid.

Now Pioli has made his fuck ups along the way, but he seems to be doing it the right way. It just sucks being a Chiefs fan with nothing to show. I understand not spending big these other years (though I like the excitement of the big FA signing), but if we dont make at least one big move, I will be frustrated. Bowe and Carr is a good start, but they need 1 or 2 to add to list. There is no reason not to make a splash in FA, except of course, if these guys are asking for way more money then they are worth.

Yep, hopefully the Royals will be the same way

Hopefully my 30’s will be filled with awesome sports teams (not quite there yet :) )