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Good morning! Today's Kansas City Chiefs news? Salary cap, free agents, and Mardi Gras. Enjoy.
With more than $37 million of available salary-cap room, the Chiefs have the ability to re-sign both Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Carr, their top potential unrestricted free agents. They could also sign Peyton Manning and any number of other players who might come available when free agency begins on March 13.
General manager Scott Pioli didn't indicate whether the Chiefs would do all or any of that. But he did say the Chiefs planned to be active in free agency.
Chiefs Have $37 Million Of Salary Cap Room from KC Star
Insiders say there just aren't many owners up to the task. Bill Parcells used to tell friends he was only competing against eight teams because that's how many owners understood this.
When asked for a more current number, one personnel man pointed out that only three teams have won the AFC the last nine years and told me to "do the math." Another was more succinct.
"Five or six," he says.
Hunt is not among them, instead standing in a fascinating place.
Now Is Clark Hunt's Chance To Show Commitment To Winning from KC Star
The NFL has yet to set a team salary cap for 2012, but teams are expecting it to be about the same as last year: $120,375,000. The Chiefs also have $24,014,337 they didn't use against their 2011 cap that they can use in 2012. So the Chiefs' adjusted salary cap for 2012 is $144,389,337.
Subtracting total salary cap obligations of $107,009,195 (explained below), that leaves the Chiefs with $37,380,142 of available cap room.
Chiefs 2012 Salary Cap Breakdown from KC Star
NFL free agency begins Tuesday, March 13th at 3:00 PM (CST). With the Chiefs looking to improve depth and competition across their roster, KCChiefs.com will preview 30 potential free agents in the 30 days leading up to the start of free agency. Up today is Oakland Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell.
30 FAs In 30 Days: Jason Campbell from The Mothership
A handful of teams showed interest in McCarthy after the season. He chose Kansas City because he liked head coach Romeo Crennel and his defensive system.
Crennel, the former Browns head coach, served as K.C.'s interim head coach for the final three games after Todd Haley was fired. Crennel was promoted to permanent head coach after the season.
"His track record speaks for itself; he's been one of the best defensive coaches in the NFL for a long time," McCarthy said of Crennel.
Mooney Graduate McCarthy Excited For Chiefs Chance from The Youngstown Vindicator
Pete Prisco recently posted a column at CBS Sports linking one key free agent with each team, and Kansas City Chiefs fans will love the sound of Paul Soliai coming to Arrowhead. Prisco says the Chiefs have a major need at defensive tackle and that the former Miami Dolphins anchor would help in a major way.
Prisco summarizes, "They need a run stuffer in the middle of their defense. Soliai would bring that to a unit that needs it."
Paul Soliai Would Make Major Difference For Kansas City Chiefs Defensive Front from SB Nation Kansas City
She added that her son and his friends had been particularly excited to see football star Jamaal Charles. The Port Arthur native, now a running back for the Kansas City Chiefs, brought a bit of star quality to the event.
"That was a highlight," Hughes said.
Mardi Gras Southeast Texas Goes On Despite Rain from The Beaumont Enterprise
Chiefs: They did it with Joe Montana two decades ago, and there's pressure to upgrade the quarterback position in Kansas City. The Chiefs have done a better job rebuilding over the last two years, and if they think they're an elite quarterback shy of competing in the playoffs, they should make a run at Manning.
Peyton Manning's Potential Landing Spots Could Be Redskins, Dolphins If Released By Colts from NESN
Crennel said that in the days before the 2004 Super Bowl, he had begun to think he'd never get a head coaching shot. So he set his mind on being the best coordinator he could.
It was the same when he returned to coaching two years ago with the Chiefs: He did everything he could to be a superior defensive coordinator.
Now that he has gotten his second chance as a head coach, he feels better prepared.
Ex-Patriot Romeo Crennel Earned His Second Chance from The Boston Globe
Brandon Carr, CB, Kansas City: Carr is intriguing because he's an unrestricted free agent at exactly the same time as the Chiefs' best receiver, Dwayne Bowe. So general manager Scott Pioli may have to decide to franchise his top target on offense or a 25-year-old cornerback who has good size (6-feet, 207 pounds) and reliable man coverage skills. The Chiefs may not re-sign both despite having as much salary cap space as any team in the NFL. Cornerbacks with Carr's potential tend to attract lots of money on the open market, and Kansas City owner Clark Hunt is far too cheap to compete in that kind of bidding war.
Free Agents Who Will Shape Next Season from ESPN
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Soliai
I am in perfect agreement here, but he would cost a fair amount of money. I think we’re stuck drafting an OT or two this year so I want Nicks and Soliai. If we resign Bowe and Carr, that would be a pretty good offseason and we have the money to do it and still have space left over. I’m starting to get the feeling we won’t resign either, especially after Routt’s two-day visit. Routt replacing Carr wouldn’t be bad at all. probably a wash. Somebody’s going to way overpay Bowe and it’s not going to be the Chiefs. Bowe and Cutler would be a nice combo and Bowe would have to be crazy to pass that up for Casstaway. I would love me some Colston/Robinson consolation.
Nicoloco - February 19, 2012
there's no way Bowe and Carr are both gone
They’ll tag one for sure, if they have to.
I think both get signed.
Soliai and Nicks is probably setting sights a bit high… especaly Nicks, he’s the one I think is out of reach
stagdsp - February 19, 2012 via mobile
I'm not so sure anymore
I think both may be gone… see my post below
Zayla - February 19, 2012
no way
There’s 0% chance KC let’s both walk without tagging one.
I firmly believe both will be back… but even if neither really wanted to be back, KC can retain one of them.
IMHO, fans want to freak out and project all kinds of intentions on these players, when, n actuality, both probably want a new deal in KC , but their agents haven’t worked on a deal yet, are waiting for the last week for leverage to get the best deal they can
stagdsp - February 19, 2012 via mobile
No chance both leave
two of the top Chiefs players and two of the top FA’s and the Chiefs just “let” them leave? They will Franchise one or the other. One of them could walk yes, but one is here for this year no matter what.
shotty - February 19, 2012
Stanzi is already a journeyman?
dklogue1 - February 19, 2012
Plan To Be Active In Free Agency?
Color me skeptical when we’ve been through three offseasons with critical need areas and there are free agents to address them and Pioli hasn’t signed pretty much anyone who wasn’t a former Patriot, Dolphin or Cardinal. There are three good, young guards with an excellent chance of hitting free agency this year…Carl Nicks, Ben Grubbs, and Chilo Rachal…and Ryan Lilja is old and not that great and his position needs upgrading. Let’s see if Pioli signs any of those or if we end up with another scrap off of the Belichick trash heap. I’m betting free agency will be yet another round of crickets chirping as other teams sign the talent while we wait, and wait, and wait for Pioli to make a move.
UCrawford - February 19, 2012
And I Think Carr Is Gone
If Pioli thought it was important to re-sign him, I suspect he would have done it by now. If he doesn’t return, Pioli had better come up with either a solid replacement or hope that Stanford Routt (if the Chiefs sign him…which is a big if) is a lot better than he showed with the Raiders last year.
UCrawford - February 19, 2012
what's up UC?
I understand the skepticism… but I disagree.
Was Hali not a priority last year, just because he waited until FA started and he had a franchise tag applied before he got a deal?
IMHO, this is standard negotiating practice… both sides wait till they are forced to act… but ultimately they do.
The Chiefs have shown they’ll sign their own (flowers, DJ, Hali, Charles, Succop) so, I am giving the benefit of the doubt until Mar 13.
As for being “active” in FA… in 2011 they got: McClain, Breaston, Orton, Gaither, Gregg, Siler… they tried to sign Rogers, Leigh Bodden, and a couple others…that’s fairly active, if you ask me.
They won’t be like Philly last year, but we have no reason to think they won’t pick up a few guys that will help the team.
Again, I predict a mid-level FA group: Rogers or Soliai, Grubbs or Koppen, BGE, Dreessen or Carlson
And that’d be solid
stagdsp - February 19, 2012 via mobile
Won't be solid until they address the quarterback situation. Either in FA or draft.
I certainly can understand the “show me” people because there have been lots of FA’s that could have helped our team that were not signed in the past. Whether that is on Hunt or Piloi, the buck stops with the owner.
Mr.Pibbs - February 19, 2012
You're Right...It's Ultimately On Hunt
And if the Chiefs continue to wallow in mediocrity and Hunt doesn’t make changes I’ll blame him for it.
And I agree with you about the opportunities the Chiefs keep passing on. They need to show something to indicate this team is doing more than running in place. I don’t want them to spend money just to spend it, but they need to come out of the offseason this year with more than platitudes about the “right” 53 and sticking to a plan. We hear enough of that crap from the Royals every year.
UCrawford - February 19, 2012
You are so right on the Royals, which I USE to be a big fan.
I think we are going to see the real Hunt/Pioli this year. I just hope we see better than what we have seen in the past.
Mr.Pibbs - February 19, 2012
screw MLB! I haven't watched any pro baseball games since they cancelled a world series to argue about a $6 billion pie.
CurtMerzFan - February 19, 2012
Mr. Pibbs, IMHO
I think this is the 1st year since Pioli has gotten here that going hard after a few excellent FA’s makes sense.We are a few talented people from being a team to be reckoned with.I know that the QB situation is lame @ this point,but I believe that a solid QB w/the proper people around him can take us very far.
chiefs63 - February 19, 2012
Not Much...Hope All Is Well With You
Valid point about Hali, but I don’t think Carr is seen as franchise tag worthy over Bowe. And he probably isn’t a CB1, but he’s a damned good second cornerback and those aren’t particularly easy to come by. I’m not that worried about Bowe because I think he’ll get tagged and signed.
Orton was a waiver pickup, not a free agent. Bodden and Breaston fit that mold I was talking about (I like Breaston, but when he’s the best FA you’ve signed, you aren’t that active). Gaither wasn’t around long enough for me to give the Chiefs credit on it, Gregg was a one year stopgap with no market. Siler was a non-factor. McClain was okay, but not as good as some fans I’ve seen post about him seem to think.
And I agree that Pioli will likely go after mid-level FAs. Which would be fine if all we cared about was bodies on the bench, but the problem was that they don’t seem to find much talent that actually contributes. Breaston is probably the best one and he’s just a so-so WR. If they get Grubbs, I’d be happy enough. He’s young and talented enough to be a good starter. We’ll see…
UCrawford - February 19, 2012
all good here
We won’t know till there’s ink on paper… so we’ll see in a month or so
stagdsp - February 19, 2012 via mobile
FWIW, I agree with ya, stag ... I do think Chiefs get both Carr and Bowe back in the fold, and more
upamtn - February 19, 2012
of course, going crazy in FA
also causes teams like Dallas to have $24.5M of dead money now. NOT a good situation.
kabrink - February 19, 2012
I Completely Agree
What FA did Pioli not go after that he should have? The only one I can think of that everyone wanted was Franklin. And I don’t think he was all that great in NO.
waiting4aplayoffwin - February 19, 2012 via Android app
Also, Good Piece About Clark Hunt
The jury is still very much out on him, but I still tend towards the the position that he’s got a decent plan in place and that he’s doing the “involved, but not micromanaging” strategy. My growing concern, however, is that he doesn’t have a general manager capable of running with that and succeeding. This offseason will tell us a lot about just what we have in Scott Pioli. If he can’t sign free agents, can’t shore up depth at all the positions that need it and (most importantly) put us in a position to do a lot better next season than 7-9, it’s probably time for Hunt to start looking for replacements at GM.
UCrawford - February 19, 2012
the Melligner piece was fabulous
and maybe … MAYBE … the whole idea is “now we’re ready to spend, let’s wrap up our players, add a couple and off we go” … certainly implied in part of that article, and makes sense looking at everything (who we have, etc)
we’re not that far from a “complete team” (ACL injuries notwithstanding)
upamtn - February 19, 2012
At least we are reconstructed instead of rebuilding :)
I agree, I hope that the stop gap players we were signing was just until we were a couple of positions away from a solid team. You can never be solid at every position but we have a damn good base to build from!
KSU-Chief - February 19, 2012
kaching, spot on and well said
and your Mildcats are going DOWN when my Tiggers get revenge in a few days ;-)
upamtn - February 19, 2012
:)
Should be a good game (hopefully). You guys are playing some great ball right now!
KSU-Chief - February 19, 2012
thanks! :-)
saw your boys knocked off Baylor … well done! should be a fun game :-)
upamtn - February 19, 2012
Sounds Good Clark
Now when I actually see those names on our roster, I will spend some of my “cap space” on reupping my season tickets. Until then, this is the same smoke and mirrors we see every year. Just more “whatever it takes to make this team better” rhetoric.
BucktheFroncos - February 19, 2012
Bowe and Carr
Everyone says, “sign Bowe and Carr”. What if they’ve been trying but both players DON’T want to sign, yet.
Maybe, all along they’ve wanted to go out see how much $$$ they can get on the open market? Maybe they just want as much money as possible?
As a fan, I don’t want the Chiefs to throw money at players just to keep them. Hunt has proven he’ll spend to keep players so there must be a reason these guys are not signed.
I hope they both stay Chiefs, but I have a feeling Pioli has another plan in mind.
Zayla - February 19, 2012
Yes, be may want a new home on the french riviera.
Mr.Pibbs - February 19, 2012
I'd like to think the Chiefs get a "hometown discount" and get both re-signed
upamtn - February 19, 2012
Just my opinion but I would think
that Bowe would be more willing to give KC a discount because he is the #1 guy. Carr might not want to play 2nd fiddle to Flowers. He may just want to be the #1 guy on a team. I hope someone would tell him that he and Flowers could make one of the best CB tandems in the NFL for years to come. Add Berry to that and we could have the single best secondary in the NFL for years! Lewis isnt half bad himself :)
KSU-Chief - February 19, 2012
yeah, I do hope that Carr is offered AND accpts what Flowers is getting ... that, in my mind, is the fair thing to do and offer
upamtn - February 19, 2012
Arn't Carr and Flowers best friends?
I hope that might play a key role in all of this
KrazyChiefsfan - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Spend that money clark
When they say active,i hope that doesnt mean free agents that has only a year left in their career.we need proven studs to be around a few years.the defense will be better,but the offense and special teams is a big concearn.all we can do is hope for the best.
chiefsfool - February 19, 2012
I'm beginning to get very upset...
I think Bowe will be a pretty easy signing…There are a handful of great WR in Free Agency this year. Carr is going to be a problem. I seriously don’t think he wants to be here. I think he wants to go to Detroit. I’m sure he’s telling the Chiefs an outrageous number just so he has to hit the open market. Make no mistake, some team will give him whatever he wants. There isn’t enough solid CB in free agency this year for the Chiefs to negotiate a whole lot. What REALLY sucks, is I think Carr is the most important of the two to get signed. It’s a little mind boggling that he doesn’t want to stay here considering his success under Romeo, and the relationship he’s built with Brandon Flowers. Not to mention the absolute domination our secondary is capable of if he stays. Carr, Flowers, Berry, Lewis is one hell of a tandom…AND THEY’RE ALL YOUNG! Having those guys grow together as a group? Unbelievable potential.
I hope there is a way. I wouldn’t even be opposed to tagging Carr in the interest of coming to terms with a new contract for him over the course of the offseason/regular season. He is a critical piece of our future success, and I hope there is a way we can get him locked up.
Bowe is also important, but like I said, I think his contract will be easier. He’s going to get paid, but for whatever reason, it actually seems like he wants to be back in KC (I’m attributing that to a close relationship with RAC).
Either way, this is frustrating as a Chiefs fan, because there is a good chance at least one of these guys will walk. And even more frustrating, is that it could be a critical piece to our defenses success of last year..
KCTigerChief - February 19, 2012
why would he want to go to Detroit? why NOT stay here?
upamtn - February 19, 2012
Carr is from the Detroit area, his family is still there, he has a relationship with Gunther Cunningham, and they're a good young team on the rise with a need at corner.
Other than that, no reason.
I do think Carr would like to stay here, but I haven’t gotten the impression that he’ll take less money to do it. Pioli doesn’t overpay for players, so if Bowe gets the tag, Carr is likely gone.
MtHammer - February 19, 2012
Here's a good reason.
They don’t have any money to pay him.
GenericBrand - February 19, 2012
Not at the moment, anyway.
They aren’t just twiddling their thumbs and cursing their unfortunate cap situation. They’re working on restructuring a few guys contracts and they’ll cut some guys to clear up more room. They won’t be able to be the Eagles this off-season, but if they really really want Carr, they’ll be able to make it work somehow.
But, either way, Detroit possibly not being able to sign Carr does absolutely nothing to change the fact that he’d like them to.
MtHammer - February 19, 2012
If They Extend Megatron
That could free up a lot of space. He’s counting over 20 million against the cap this year…I suspect they give him a new contract fairly soon.
UCrawford - February 19, 2012
best in the league, they should do that and likely will
upamtn - February 19, 2012
again, I think Carr would be happy to stay with Flowers-type money, which he's earned
upamtn - February 19, 2012
This ^
and Carr is also heavily involved in the community. I think he likes playing here and at the moment the speculation of him leaving (though possible), is unwarranted given that teams don’t negotiate until after the combine. Feels like we’re tring to count chickens before they hatch in a way.
shotty - February 19, 2012
yup
it’s the dead zone for fans this time of year … we have to blog about something, so we engage in rampant speculation
doesn’t hurt that we happen to be VERY GOOD at that ;-)
upamtn - February 19, 2012
Gawd I love it when you write our reviews ups!
CurtMerzFan - February 19, 2012
I don't get it. He would want to go to Detroit
Just because of Gunther? I seriously doubt that.
KrazyChiefsfan - February 20, 2012 via mobile
What's with the conflicting cap numbers?
I thought we had 60 million in space…
bossmanham - February 19, 2012 via mobile
Same here
I’m basically Salary Cap retarded, so I need someone here to explain this situation.
cheapham - February 19, 2012
I think that's exaggeration
that gets thrown out by the “cheapass Hunt” contingency.
kabrink - February 19, 2012
Is John Clayton part of that contingency?
HIV 2 Elway - February 19, 2012
maybe
but no I mean people on here that say that all the time.
Did he print something that said that?
kabrink - February 19, 2012
Yes he did
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7570116/nfl-plenty-cap-room-improve
He must be part of that group of writers conspiring to take Pioli down
HIV 2 Elway - February 19, 2012
thanks for the link
I can’t explain the difference. Someone has it wrong.
kabrink - February 19, 2012
the article said it was numbers provided by the Chiefs
whereas Clayton probably got his from the NFL.
I really did not like losing 26 million in cap without signing anyone
Steve_Chiefs - February 19, 2012
BTW
I don’t think the KCStar would be writing a story bent towards the Chiefs favor. It’s pretty obvious to me the whole KC press hates the Chiefs and likes to create bigger stories of controversy around them. That would point to them trying to inflate the dollars under cap argument, not deflate.
kabrink - February 19, 2012
git yo tin foil hats ready
HIV 2 Elway - February 19, 2012
By the Stars math, we'd only be only be a little more than 10 million under the cap without the carryover.
There’s no way that’s correct.
MtHammer - February 19, 2012
They have had 3 different GM's on NFL Radio in the last week
Each one of them said that the standard process was to actually NOT start any negotiations with their free agents until the start of the conbine. I know that there is alot of concern about Carr and Bowe and I share those sentiments as well. But it seems like our expectations are a little out of wack. I have not seen any big free angent signed by any team yet, so it appears that what the GMs have been saying is true. They really still have nearly a month to get it sorted out and they are all focusing on the draft now to prepare for the combine. Once that is done, they will move on to the free agents.
Skrappy - February 19, 2012
Exactly
Really neither side has an incentive to come terms this early in the process, it’s the same every year it will come to the wire but I think more likely than not deals get done in both cases.
Everest - February 19, 2012
I sure would like the Chiefs mngt to get the decks cleared for Free Agency with re-signings
of some of our own
McClain and Richardson need some work too
Steve_Chiefs - February 19, 2012
if the Chiefs are to be believed
and that’s a big if, the Chiefs have been planning for this free agency period after the new CBA. The Chiefs are in a perfect position to be the biggest players in it. If they aren’t, then the cheapness and BS aspect will come up again. I’ve been somewhat critical of Pioli after the Star’s story and Babb’s tweet. But he’s got by far the lowest dead money on their cap, which I think is a pretty good accomplishment. His drafts have improved from that first one. It’s interesting to note that the Star did absolutely nothing in print to back up Babb and his tweet. That’s a warning sign but I’m note sure of what… either the Star’s editors have no spine or they determined Babb was full of crap.
Nicoloco - February 19, 2012
I'm trying to figure out what happened to Martin Manley, used to do the Upon Further Review blog, the awesome stats guy
the blog is still posted, but he hasn’t been active in almost two weeks … last was on the Mizzou Tigers about Feb 9 and he made a comment early in that post about it MAYBE being his last and MAYBE he’d pop up again SOMEWHERE and MAYBE he’d be able to explain …
… and maybe not
very odd stuff
upamtn - February 19, 2012
What was Babb's tweet?
joplin chiefs fan - February 19, 2012
Im not sure what to believe anymore about salary cap numbers.
Im not sure im buying the stars math though.
GenericBrand - February 19, 2012
if you really think about it...
they acknowledged that we can roll over 24 million dollars from cap that was not used last year, simple thinking is that they would realize that we have to have at least that much space already available right now or we would not get that roll over. so you have to at least times the 24 million by two to give you 48 million plus whatever free agents that are coming off the books. In other words, there is no way the KC Star is right.
Chiefsdodgerslakers2415 - February 19, 2012
"The Chiefs won the division in 2010, and they should’ve won it in 2011."
THEY should have won it? THEY!?!
Clark Hunt is the main person who can actually say “we” since he owns the team, and he chooses not to. I lost a little respect right there.
Vince D - February 19, 2012
Ownership
I would rather the Chiefs be run by a mystic communicating via ouija board with Ewing Kauffman than by Clark Hunt.
Barranquilla - February 19, 2012
I really don't get this
What has he really done that’s so bad?
joplin chiefs fan - February 19, 2012
Don't get it?
The team has been terrible except the one year we played one of the easiest schedules ever seen in the NFL. We have been terrible while spending far less money than almost any team in the league, if not the least. I know the comeback will be “Spending money doesn’t mean you will be good”. I can only tell you that if you suck and you are not spending money, over a 5 year period, there is most certainly a correlation. I would LOVE for him to change my mind. This is one of those situations where being wrong is winning.
Barranquilla - February 19, 2012
Barranquilla, just so you know ...
spending money doesn’t mean you will be good (angelic smile) always glad to be of service!
upamtn - February 19, 2012
see:
The chicago cubs ;)
chief red foreman - February 19, 2012 via mobile
or Matt Cassel
Redberry - February 19, 2012
I don't understand it either
he fired King Carl (major kudos earned), then hired the top GM candidate of that time (which let’s be honest, we were all thrilled about)….we haven’t spent much in FA over the last three years, is that the only knock?
We have a massive stock of cash. This is the season to address our multitude of needs (OL, QB, NT). If those are not, then I think the complaints may be warrented. New coach, new atmosphere, solid drafts the past 2 years and resigned in house talent.
Clark and Co. let go of the mediocrity that is Todd Haley and are looking to move in a new direction. I think that is a solid start and this offseason proects to be a defining one for the Chiefs. Until then, I don’t know what there is to complain about right now.
shotty - February 19, 2012
projects that is
shotty - February 19, 2012
Carl > Pioli
HIV 2 Elway - February 19, 2012
You're nuts.
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
he meant to say Herm > Todd
upamtn - February 19, 2012
Pfft, what? Herm = Todd
Both of them were one position away from their “natural position” (college scouting director and offensive coordinator, respectively).
go_saleaumua - February 19, 2012
He's Right, So Far
Contrast Pioli’s first three years to Peterson’s and there’s no competition. And the team Peterson inherited was just as bad as what Pioli got. And Peterson didn’t have free agency to help him rebuild.
UCrawford - February 19, 2012
Perterson
did hire Marty.
So far it’s not even close, as misguided as i think Peterson was, he has done TONS more then Pioli, in his first few years.
Redberry - February 19, 2012
How Do You Get That
Carl is the one that ran us in the ground. Lets face it, Pioli had to dig us out of a big hole. He isn’t perfect but Carl needed to go badly.
waiting4aplayoffwin - February 19, 2012 via Android app
Cheap
Doesn’t live in KC
PR nightmare be it revoking privileges from employees or charging firefighters
Raised parking prices
Cares about soccer more than the NFL
Cut the pay of employees during a lockout he created
Creates an intimidating, overbearing work environment
Has created a police state like atmosphere at Arrowhead
Has drastically reduced the friendliness at tailgates….
What has he done right?
HIV 2 Elway - February 19, 2012
Couter points.
-Cheap? No, he’s put us in a great position to keep our good players and sign more.
-No one has given a reason why him not living here is bad. He hired Pioli to take care of most of the business.
-Every team raises parking prices.
-No evidence he cares more about soccer. He can probably walk and chew gum at the same time.
-Both sides caused the lockout (owners didn’t decertify jack). He also was a key person in resolving the lockout, AND he reimbursed the employees what he cut AND gave them a raise. But no, you’re not dishonest.
-Allegedly and according to fired former employees only.
-How could he reduce friendliness at tailgates? You’re the one doing the tailgating. Look in the mirror if you’re unfriendly.
What he’s done right.
-Hired Scott Pioli (who was the most sought after GM prospect at the time) who has stopped the organization from bleeding money and has brought in and retained good talent, turning us into a respectable team again just two years separated from a 2-14 disaster.
-Helped clear up a labor dispute.
-Paid a lot out of his own pocket to renovate Arrowhead.
-Voiced commitment to bring a championship to KC.
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
Cheap? No, he’s put us in a great position to keep our good players and sign more. Yet Carr and Bowe remain in limbo. Team has huge lack of depth.
-No one has given a reason why him not living here is bad. He hired Pioli to take care of most of the business. LIving in KC shows a commitment to the city. If the team is underperofming he’d hear about it every time he went out to eat. Instead he hides like a pussy in Texas.
-Every team raises parking prices. No proof, just speculation
-No evidence he cares more about soccer. He can probably walk and chew gum at the same time. He has said that soccer is his first love. I’d try to dig it up becuase it was in print but we’re trying, emphasis on trying, to get some paid work done.
-Both sides caused the lockout (owners didn’t decertify jack). He also was a key person in resolving the lockout, AND he reimbursed the employees what he cut AND gave them a raise. But no, you’re not dishonest. Owners opeted out of CBA, this is undisputable fact. He took an interest free loan from his employees
-Allegedly and according to fired former employees only.
-How could he reduce friendliness at tailgates? You’re the one doing the tailgating. Look in the mirror if you’re unfriendly. Strong handed security and parking attendants were hired by the Chiefs and over police the lots. This was not that case under Carl and Lamar.
HIV 2 Elway - February 19, 2012
I'd put a lot or most of that on Pioli, not Hunt
certainly the first and last points
upamtn - February 19, 2012
//Yet Carr and Bowe remain in limbo. Team has huge lack of depth.
You can’t use this as an argument, because he’s already signed other guys AND there’s no evidence that he won’t re-sign these guys. This is simply saying, “well he might do something I don’t like, therefore I’ll use this non-existent evidence to base my point on.”
// LIving in KC shows a commitment to the city. If the team is underperofming he’d hear about it every time he went out to eat. Instead he hides like a pussy in Texas.
You don’t hide as a public figure in the internet age. Come off it. He’s already shown commitment to the city by spending loads of money here.
//He has said that soccer is his first love. I’d try to dig it up becuase it was in print but we’re trying, emphasis on trying, to get some paid work done.
Saying that’s what he loved first doesn’t mean he doesn’t love football too, or that he loves it to a lesser degree. You can’t read in some foreign interpretation into everything someone says.
// Owners opeted out of CBA, this is undisputable fact. He took an interest free loan from his employees
Which was the agreement the last time they’d done the CBA. THe sides could opt out, and the owners took that opportunity. The players could have then renegotiated in good will, but they decided to decertify. Both sides caused it. Stop trying to rewrite history.
//Strong handed security and parking attendants were hired by the Chiefs and over police the lots. This was not that case under Carl and Lamar.
And? I’ve never seen em, and I’ve tailgated at 7 or 8 games over two years. But I don’t mind security keeping peace when a bunch of drunk fans are around heavy vehicles. Big whoop.
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
Do you really like Clark Hunt? Or are you just arguing “he’s not the worst”?
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 19, 2012
I don't know him personally.
But I like most of what I’ve seen of him with regard to the Chiefs. I don’t think he’s perfect, but what NFL owner is?
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
My main point is to deconstruct illegitimate reasons to not like him.
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
I think the Packer’s set-up is pretty close to perfect
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 19, 2012
But no owner is going to sell their share of their team to fans in any other city.
Plus, I don’t think it’s perfect, but it’s very good.
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
Paul Allen is ideal
Someone who made his money elsewhere and wants a high priced toy
HIV 2 Elway - February 19, 2012
Clark has done that.
Yet you get on him for liking soccer…?
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
Allen made his own money, off his own efforts
And then bought two toys in the Blazers and Seahawks
HIV 2 Elway - February 19, 2012
And Carl has made his own money in Soccer.
Irrelevant that he’s inherited money. He did that before his dad died.
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
MLS makes money!?
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 19, 2012
hehe.
Apparently. Shocking, I know.
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
I thought MLS had a revenue stream that paralleled the WNBA
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 19, 2012
http://www.90soccer.com/new-releases/soccer-business/90soccer-business-columbus-crew-nets-regional-economic-benefits/
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
irrelevant? that was part of the point ...
tell me how this nice little capitalistic system of economics is a level playing field again? remind me again that we all have the same opportunities for wealth! odd, nobody died and left ME a billion dollars …
upamtn - February 19, 2012
So?
That’s because your parents didn’t do what Lamar hunt did.
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
perhaps because they didn't inherit billions from their wealthy oilman father like Lamar
mostly because they didn’t have a wealthy oilman father as Lamar did
and the beat goes on,. man
upamtn - February 19, 2012
And the seahawks have been soooooo good for sooooo long, right?
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
Remember that Super Bowl a few years back? Me too
HIV 2 Elway - February 19, 2012
Remember all the ones under Carl Peterson and Lamar Hunt?
No, me either.
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
remember 7 playoffs in 9 years under Marty and Carl?
remember the best winning % in the NFL for the decade of the 90s?
upamtn - February 19, 2012
and a dude I won't name
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
And no Super Bowl.
What I remember more clearly is the aging team and the worst record in Chief’s history, and then a playoff berth in two years.
I loved Lamar, and like Peterson for a while, but it was time to end that way of doing things.
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
the 06 team was an attempt by carl to win a super bowl while lamar was still alive in my opinion
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
Not saying he didn't try.
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
yep I know should of rebuild sooner but I understand why the chiefs didn't
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
it was that indeed, Carl's biggest problem wasn't 06 but rather 07
when he STILL thought there was a “window of opportunity” … should have started the rebuild and youth movement then …
instead it wasn’t till the next year when Herm (finally) convinced Clark that was what we needed
and we did need it … in 07
upamtn - February 19, 2012
so what? I'd rather be great for a decade with no Super Bowl wins than have one SB win and 9 lousy seasons
upamtn - February 19, 2012
But we had both with Lamar and Carl!
Won a bunch, but always left feeling disappointed.
They had a good time for a while. It just never worked out. I wish it had.
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
“The Chiefs are going to receive the majority of my time,” Hunt said. "That’s been a big shift over the last 18 months. It’s been an outgrowth of my father’s passing away and me getting very involved with the Arrowhead Stadium renovation.
“Now I’m tuned into it closely,” he said. “The Chiefs are by far my No. 1 priority.”
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
Its not security keeping fans sober
Its about how paying customers are treated while trying ot park their cars stragetically with their other friends. We understand the problem, every spot must be filled. This could be addressed with a simply letter asking fans to fill every spot (for season ticket holders at least). Instead they opt for over bearing and threatening parking attendants. Its clear as day that the owner has never had to listen to the voice of a customer becuase he has been handed everything
HIV 2 Elway - February 19, 2012
So basically, you didn't like the attitude of a parking attendant one time or so,
therefore Clark Hunt is da Satan…?
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
IS it still 25.00 to park
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
Hey, I agree there.
The price is dumb. It’s 27.00 I think.
that’s why I park in the $10 private lots when not tailgating.
bossmanham - February 19, 2012
we use to try and stay at that I believe it is a holiday inn express close to the stadium and parking lots, I believe there a gas station next to it.
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
I pay $27 and park in the grass on the NW side
never once seen a parking attendant telling me where I can and can’t park. My friends know the spot and we never have issues being together.
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 19, 2012
Its a Red/Gold Lot thing
Again, long time fans understand the problem. We understand the need to fill every spot. Its the Chiefs aggresive approach to enforcement that is the problem
HIV 2 Elway - February 19, 2012
Then its a similar problem you see whenever you put an undereducated person in a situation with mild authority
HIV 2 Elway - February 19, 2012
as opposed to highly educated? ;-)
upamtn - February 19, 2012
I used to park in the red lot
and yeah, it’s hard to meet up with friends. Everyone isn’t going to be in line together unless they’re traveling together. Hence, parking in the grass where it isn’t an issue.
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 19, 2012
the white lot is for loading and unloading passengers only, there is no parking in the red lot
upamtn - February 19, 2012
Don't start with your white lot shit again. We both know what this is about.
You want me to have an abortion.
MtHammer - February 19, 2012
Even at $27
our parking prices are very, very low compared to a lot of teams.
Patriots $40
Broncos $30
Giants and Jets $25
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 19, 2012
cheaper or comparable I should have said
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 19, 2012
one thing though ... plenty of space to park in KC at that complex
Boston and NY are both overpopulated and have limited land, so parking is naturally higher
even Mile High has a pretty limited amount of space to work with, not even close to what Truman Sports Complex has … not even in the same universe
upamtn - February 19, 2012
Nope
and if I was going to a Broncos game, I’d take the train. Though that doesn’t lend itself to tailgating much,
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 19, 2012
I was in donkey land on the monday night game montana vs elway
lost my voice for 2 weeks after that game. One of my best montana memories besides the playoff win againest the oilers with montana
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
yah, no good tailgating there
upamtn - February 19, 2012
You work there? Is this first hand experience or Kent Babb talking
About the pay cut (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/7/25/2293317/kansas-city-chiefs-reimburse-employees). Wanna talk about putting faith in maybe scenarios, maybe the Chiefs get it right this offseason and show us a team worth cheering for.
shotty - February 19, 2012
This offseason will define the ownership and front office IMO
Peyton gets to choose where he goes. I’m not optimistic about him here (though it would be amazing), but not pursuing him would speak volumes in my mind. Not only him, but if we draft OT, not going after Grubbs, and sticking to signing old haggard vets on D to one year deals would be very frustrating as well.
shotty - February 19, 2012
On Peyton
I’m not sure you can draw conclusions if we don’t get him. There are really serious unknowns about him. Of course, I would love having him here – if he’s the old Peyton – that’s a big if right now. (Big).
kabrink - February 19, 2012
I can't argue with you
I think you’re right brink. Love to have Maning as well, but there are variables to that acqusition that make or break the deal. I guess what I should have said is if there is no pursuit of any QB or attempt at creating competition and we enter the season with Cassel as our starter…then I think that is grounds for real concern.
shotty - February 19, 2012
with you there.
kabrink - February 19, 2012
Jason Campbell or Orton? Who Ya Got?
…there’s a part of me that legitimately wonders what Campbell might do in KC:
-with these offensive weapons (WR, TE, RB)
-with a QB coach that got career numbers out of him in an arguably worse situation than this one
-with an offensive coordinator who got an erratic scrambling backup to look like a professional quarterback in 2011.
Someone tell me Campbell isn’t an upgrade over Cassel, or a more mobile and equally strong-armed alternative to Orton.
go_saleaumua - February 19, 2012
big dan, i express the same thoughts only what orton can do with these weapons
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
I approve this message.
go_saleaumua - February 19, 2012
Campbell MIGHT be that upgrade ... my preference is Orton, partly because of familiarity
he’s done with with our guys and looked pretty good already
upamtn - February 19, 2012
But Campbell can scramble (which is one thing I like about Cassel over Orton, athleticism).
Nonetheless, I’m on record repeatedly hoping we hang on to Orton if possible.
go_saleaumua - February 19, 2012
I gotta go Orton>Campbell>Cassel
in that order.
Off topic, did you notice Cassel and Dorsey are among the top 5 highest contracts for the Chiefs roster? Would love to see both traded and free up some more space while netting additional 2012 picks.
shotty - February 19, 2012
Yes, why yes I have noticed that. And I think that's a hell of a plan right there.
Hire Orton/Campbell for Cassel money or lower on an incentive-laden 2-3 year contract (really a one year deal), and have them fight off Stanzi and a TBD rookie for the job.
Shit, I just want to see a talented young(ish) passer in Kansas City. If he’s developed at home, so much the better…
More picks = more depth on the lines, at safety, and TE…
go_saleaumua - February 19, 2012
shotty , manning coming to KC
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
no he isn't
and I have a wager with Bajah to that effect … just wait :-)
upamtn - February 19, 2012
ups in 2 months u will have a chiefs manning jersey
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
not in THIS lifetime
I don’t buy lame shit like jerserys
upamtn - February 19, 2012
ups do u remember whitney paul when he played for kc
LB in the bad 80’s but always played hard and was around the ball all the time.
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
I'd say the odds are not in our favor
but I never thought Joe Montana would be a Chief either so who knows? Health is the biggest concern I have. I still want Chase Daniel =)
shotty - February 19, 2012
really? yanno, I mentioned Chase Daniel coupla yrs ago ... man did I get reamed around here!
upamtn - February 19, 2012
what was your thoughts on todd blackledge
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
when he was drafted everyone had high hopes ... when he didn't pan out everyone was sad
upamtn - February 19, 2012
I hear ya
people just don’t like good ideas ;) I don’t know if its a good idea, but I’d like to see him get a chance to play as a starter. He’s sat behind one of the best to ever play the game and I loved watching him at MU. So for me its an easy connection to make.
He’s mobile, has a strong arm, and is a little fella with something to prove. I like rooting for the little guys so he’s got my vote.
shotty - February 19, 2012
If he doesn't come here
you’re likely not going to know whether or not they pursued him. So most people will assume if he isn’t here, the Chiefs didn’t try, which is probably far from the truth.
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 19, 2012
I'm hoping with the new PR moves
that Hunt and Co. are making, they’ll tend to be a little more transparent now? Big hope, I know. Either way, with ESPN, Scheffter, Clayton, and everyone else, I can’t help but feel like we’d hear about it one way or another. Just my opinion though.
shotty - February 19, 2012
Sad but true...
Insiders say there just aren’t many owners up to the task. Bill Parcells used to tell friends he was only competing against eight teams because that’s how many owners understood this.
Im sad to say that I am really on the fence with continuing to support this team if they dont show me they are ACTUALLY trying to win…with all this salary cap money, I sure hope they bring in some talent and not just shove it into their pockets….
KCinAZ - February 19, 2012
that first sentence should be in quotes..i copied it
KCinAZ - February 19, 2012
If Parcells was only competing against eight teams.
Then I guess he wasn’t near as good of a GM/coach as I thought he was.
Tarkus - February 19, 2012
HOF voters must not have thought he was so great
KCinAZ - February 19, 2012
Yeah
they must be similarly unimpressed by his record against eight teams.
Tarkus - February 19, 2012
when some websites say
“reports the Chiefs are roughly $37.4 million under the projected 2012 salary cap” what exactly does this mean , i get confused with this stuff sometimes lol . So do we have 37 million to spend this year ?
chiefsman! - February 19, 2012
Give or take $25M, it seems.
Tarkus - February 19, 2012
I think this is where the numbers come from.
The 37 plus million for 2012, then add the 24 plus million we were under this year that they are carrying over. That my friends is $62.995 million under total.
I hope that makes it more understandable. It will change a little after the real numbers come out, but it’s close.
Don Piolie's Consigliere - February 20, 2012
the stars articule isn't right we are 63 mill under the cap
the dude isn;t counting the 25 or 28 mill rollover from this season, which can be used towards this season.
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
Except they say they are counting it.
Somebody is way off with their math, and I think it’s likely the Star.
MtHammer - February 19, 2012
so we were only 13 million under the cap last year?
Then how the f*** can we roll over 24 million dollars, plus the free agents coming off the books that they forgot to add in.
Chiefsdodgerslakers2415 - February 19, 2012
I agree it doesn't make any sense.
The only way that would work would be for the Chiefs to be at least 24 million under the cap last year (and since not 100% of the cap carries over it was probably closer to the 32 million that was widely reported), but for escalating contracts to put us only a little more than 10 million this year.
That doesn’t seem right, because Pioli loves front loading contracts. Supposedly Charles’, Cassel’s, and D.J.‘s cap numbers are going to be way lower this year, for example. Possibly Hali’s, too. I can’t quite remember.
MtHammer - February 19, 2012
cassel's cap number is going to be significantly lower i think
Chiefsdodgerslakers2415 - February 19, 2012
We were $24M under last year
but only $13M under this year. Almost every NFL contract has raises built in every year, so most, if not all, players are going to cost more this year. The article actually has a breakdown showing the numbers for every player under contract. Another thing we as fans forget is that the team has to save cap room for incentives. As the article states, there were over $5M in incentives earned last year, and that money counts against the cap as well. There’s really no reason to doubt the Star’s numbers (as they would rather cheat the numbers down to make the team look worse if they were going to lie,) but if you do, start google searching player by player.
nmchief - February 19, 2012
according to this link i found,
chiefs only have 87.5 million committed to next year right now. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/cap-hit/
Chiefsdodgerslakers2415 - February 19, 2012
adding your numbers
120 – 87.5 = 32.5 + 24.5 carryover = 57 Million and with the 5 Million holdback and such we get 62+ Million. Maybe that is where Clayton got his numbers :)
Steve_Chiefs - February 19, 2012
I wonder if the Chiefs provided Cash spend numbers vs Cap Numbers to the Star
Steve_Chiefs - February 19, 2012
That article is full of errors.
Just the first obvious one I see… click on Glenn Dorsey. They say he got 5 years at $51M then show the salaries, which add up to less than $11M for the whole deal. And they claim he didn’t get a signing bonus at all! Using their numbers, showing $22.5M in guarantees, and assuming the first three years were guaranteed, he got in the neighborhood of $18.5M, which is almost $4M a year in cap dollars. They are working off of what was reported in the press, while the Star is working off of the actual numbers for next year as reported by the Chiefs…
nmchief - February 19, 2012
Why would ESPN and John Clayton report bad information?
I do agree that the press has to dig up numbers, while the Chiefs can report what they feel they want out there. No one can look at the actual books anyway.
Steve_Chiefs - February 19, 2012
Because they don't know it's bad. They are reporting "source's" info that often proves to be wrong.
The Star actually gave a list of players and costs given to them by the Chiefs. If there are any numbers there that don’t look right to you google that player and the word contract. You’ll find the report their agent released when the contract was signed, and usually some better details that were leaked by somebody or other, too. If you can find any that look contradictory to what the Chiefs released, let’s see em…
The Chiefs actually provided info to the paper for once (probably for the exact purpose of rebutting the reports of them sitting on $63M.) It’s not that hard to check their numbers.
nmchief - February 19, 2012
That’s not to say they don’t have in excess of $35M to spend, but they admit it and say they intend to spend most of it. The automatic assumption that they are lying just doesn’t always make sense…
nmchief - February 19, 2012
I did not say any one was lying
but there are Cash numbers and then there are Cap numbers.
Cash numbers play into the Chiefs public stated expenses, while Cap numbers are something agents would use for contract negotiations.
I do not doubt the Star ran with what the Chiefs gave them, I doubt the numbers are true cap numbers since that would be a secret the Chiefs would not divulge while negotiating contracts :)
Steve_Chiefs - February 19, 2012
someone is off, it might be ALL of us
upamtn - February 19, 2012
Star says Dorsey costs 8,193,000 and Jackson 10,755,000 in 2012
Glenn Dorsey Defensive Lineman 2012: $5.586 million, 2013: Free Agent
Tyson Jackson Defensive Lineman
8/7/2009: Signed a five-year, $57 million contract. The deal contains $31 million guaranteed. Jackson is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses in 2012 and 2013. 2012: $8.005 million, 2013: $14.72 million, 2014: Free Agent
from rotoworld
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/kc/chiefs
Steve_Chiefs - February 19, 2012
cassel's cap number is 7 million less than last year though.
Chiefsdodgerslakers2415 - February 19, 2012
and 2 million less than the Star is reporting - 7.575 M
Steve_Chiefs - February 19, 2012
The Star's number is right.
His salary is $2M less, but his signing bonus is still being prorated in…
nmchief - February 19, 2012
If I Recall Correctly
He didn’t get a signing bonus (at least not much of one), he got guaranteed money paid up front. It was reported at the time that the contract was basically a two year deal that the Chiefs could get out of after two years with almost no cap consequences.
UCrawford - February 20, 2012
It was only $10M bonus the first year and $7.5M the third
which was actually relatively cheap when you consider that he was renegotiating a franchise contact that was like $14M for one year and then could have forced the Chiefs to franchise him again at $16.5M for one year.
But the $10M would prorate into the cap for $1.67M per year for the entire 6 years of the deal, and the $7.5m would prorate into the cap at $1.875M for the remaining 4 years of the contract at the time it was paid. So Cassel’s cap number for 2012 is his salary of $5.25M + $1.67M + $1.875M = about $8.7M. If he were cut or traded the cap hit would be the remaining unprorated portion of his bonus money, in this case 3 x $1.67M + 3 x $1.875M = about $10.6M. If they wait until after June 1, they can split that hit over ‘12 and ’13. Which is to say since he is only due $5.25M and $8.7M cap dollars if he stays, he ain’t going nowhere.
nmchief - February 20, 2012
Chiefs don't have a choice but to be active in Free Agency
Next year all teams will have to spend up to 99% of their cap. If the Chiefs are not active this year, we’ll have even more cap space that carries over to next season. If we were sitting at 70-75 million in extra cap space next year that would be really hard to try and spend wisely. We already have most of our core players locked up for the next few years. The Chiefs would have to start throwing undeserving contracts to players. As of right now the Chiefs only have 3 FA’s for 2013. That is Brandon Albert, Brandon Siler, and Ryan Lilja. Albert is the only one that will probably get a good deal. Something tells me Siler won’t be getting Derrick Johnson kind of money.
I think the Chiefs will let Bowe and Carr float around the open market to see what teams feel they are worth, and then they will match or slightly one-up one of those deals, and franchise the other player. If they match the best deal those players are offered it may actually be less than what that player was hoping for and they will have to settle with KC’s offer because it would be the best available, even if its not what they want (unless they just want out of KC at any cost). This would be a financially intelligent move.
If the Chiefs do not go out and try to get some big money FAs this year they will have to next year and may fail to do so. They may try to throw out 70million to players next year and realize that a lot of players don’t want to come to KC. If they fail to get new FAs they will have to start restructuring current contracts and I just don’t see Hunt or Pioli wanting to mess with that.
My point is that Chiefs will pick up some big guys this offseason, because they don’t have a choice. For once, having too much money could actually hurt the team if they are not wise with it.
Nathan4288 - February 19, 2012
I think that may be by design
I think they realized that many teams would be in the opposite situation and would have to cut some quality guys to make cap space, we’re positioned perfectly to take advantage of those cap casualties.
Everest - February 19, 2012
possibly so ... one way to look at it for sure
as long as they make something out of it now, it’s all good … Soliai, Bush, a very few out there that I’d love to have on board … plus our own guys back (Bowe, Carr, Orton, McClain, etc etc)
upamtn - February 19, 2012
Yes
some OL help would be very welcome as well. Especially if we’re going forward with Cassel/Orton/Stanzi…Orton preferably in that scenario. Give the rock throwers some adequate protection.
shotty - February 19, 2012
yes
we’ve done “kind of well” with a NO FA lineman before.
kabrink - February 19, 2012
No, the league has to spend 99% as a whole or reimburse the players for the difference.
This year (like last year) there is no team minimum, and in 2013 when the team minimum kicks in, it will be about 90%… We can probably expect the Chiefs to get in that ballpark this year, but small market teams like us will always be at the lower end of the cap team-by-team.
Plus, the Chiefs spent way more in real dollars than cap dollars last year. We were $24M under the cap, but only like $10M or so under in spending, due to bonuses that prorate into the cap.
nmchief - February 19, 2012
They need to keep a large surplus for next year's homegrown guys
Dorsey, Albert, Arenas, DMC, Moeaki, Lewis all come due, I believe. Pioli better be procative with most, if not all, and get them done during this coming season, so he doesn’t get caught with 2 or more guys he wants to keep, but only one franchise tag, like this year with Carr and Bowe.
dablueguy - February 19, 2012
I think Dorsey is going to get less than he currently makes
While Albert should get a nice bump, the others are not huge dollars and some should be in a restricted stage on their contracts too
Steve_Chiefs - February 19, 2012
You're right
I had forgot that the latter 4 will still be in the restricted phase of their careers.
dablueguy - February 19, 2012
IF clark hunt wants the yellow seats filled at arrowhead then sign
peyton manning, do u realize how much money the chiefs would make off manning if he came to kc as well as a super bowl run for the chiefs. Thats why I think manning is coming to KC if healthy.
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
Or just lower prices in the club level
HIV 2 Elway - February 19, 2012
niageriannit, you'd sign Manning even if he couldn't lift a salad fork
upamtn - February 19, 2012
no he needs to be healthy of all bets are off
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
I always assumed
that those seats are sold. It’s just that the people that buy them are wussies that sit inside in their suite instead of outside.
kabrink - February 19, 2012
but, yes, it does look bad - don't know how to fix that - other than just take away the inside suites which aint' happenin
kabrink - February 19, 2012
prices usually don't go down they go up just like gasoline
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
Gasoline is down from what it used to be.
Tarkus - February 19, 2012
Sure, but historically the price of gasoline has risen, just like everything else. That's why we can't get it for $1.30 a gallon anymore.
Also, we’re projected to hit $4 again this summer, so bite your tongue.
MtHammer - February 19, 2012
I heard $5. Most of my clients live 15-60 minutes away from me, so I'm not real thrilled to say the least.
I’m going to have to have a telathon…for my fuel bill, and for my subscription to AP.
go_saleaumua - February 19, 2012
Not according to my Citicard statement it isn't.
Well, at least since the last 6 months or so….I have paid more than this over the last three years.
go_saleaumua - February 19, 2012
yes but its higher than it was a yr ago there's a couple of ways to look at it
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
IF u are on the fence as to whether or not to buy season tickets this year
and u found out peyton manning is coming to KC, would u then buy season tickets or not.
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
people with enough money to buy season tickets don't make decisions based on one player like that
they have plenty of money and buy their tickets based primarily on the team winning overall, and there are plenty of others on the waiting list should any decide not to renew
upamtn - February 19, 2012
the chiefs don't have a waiting list, and for the middle class to lower class families it would make a difference as to whether or not buy season tickets with manning coming
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
You franchise Carr and offer Bowe a contract on average with the top 7 wr in the league with plenty of incentives that could make him one of the 3 highest paid
Brandon marshall – 5 yr 47 mil
Roddy white 6 yr 50 mil
Lee Evans 4 yrs 37 million
Id try and get Bowe in the 5 yr 40 mill dollar range and then the rest would be incentive based that could get him to 50-55 million
Willie Beamon - February 19, 2012
yeah I agree willie but i think it will cost more than 40 mill to sign bowe
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
Whats the latest on Routt signing
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
he hasn't signed with anyone yet
upamtn - February 19, 2012
ups we getting your boy decastro
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
doubtful
1) most people will tell you that OG is less of a priority than RT
2) Pioli has never been known to listen to my advice
upamtn - February 19, 2012
Yeah. He never listens to me, either.
It’s bullshit.
MtHammer - February 19, 2012
Unless that OG is a straight up stud muffin
I have a feeling we won’t take him too, and that is a bad decision IMO. Skimping by on a OL prospect like him is awful tough.
shotty - February 19, 2012
I couldn't agree more ... DeCastro is so rock solid it's unreal
upamtn - February 19, 2012
I haven't cried watching the draft before
but passing on about the surest pick a team could ever make….I might shed a tear…I’m not proud.
shotty - February 19, 2012
I wish the chiefs would let the some fans sit in on the draft day experience in kc
Have a contest and pick a few winners to be able to sit in the war room of the chiefs
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
wow not 63 million after all? How did we get 63 million in the first place?
chad unit - February 19, 2012
some are not sure if the star articule is right on the salary cap
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
there is no way the star is right
Chiefsdodgerslakers2415 - February 19, 2012
IF the chiefs sign routt, do most chief fans think we won't sign carr.
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
No way we sign Carr is we sign Routt
Can pretty much guarantee it.
ChiefWarPaint - February 19, 2012
meh, not so sure ... you could be right (and that alone is reason enough for me to just say no to Routt)
upamtn - February 19, 2012
We're signing Routt and Carr
because we’re turning Arenas into a RB.
shotty - February 19, 2012
NO TJ anymore
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
NO
McClain yes, TJ no.
shotty - February 19, 2012
Trivia Question
Who was the last AFC Super Bowl QB that was not Manning, Brady, or Roethlisberger?
KHAZAD - February 19, 2012
Ha, WOW
I cheated and looked but damn, all the way to our good ol friend Gannon from 2002! That’s fuckin insane
KCinIL - February 19, 2012
I see big things comin boys!
Bowe tagged or locked up, same with Carr, Orton signed, couple “big” free agents and some good ass depth players, and before the draft? BOOOIIII STOP! (and yes I can predict the future)
KCinIL - February 19, 2012
You said big things
So why would we resign Orton? Another mediocre QB when we already have one?
dablueguy - February 19, 2012
As opposed to who?
RG3 or some other QB that’s fun to talk about but nowhere near realistically gonna happen? And Orton is far from mediocre, so we’ll agree to disagree on that.
KCinIL - February 19, 2012
Orton is the epitome of a mediocre QB
I don’t know how anyone can look at what he’s done in his career and come up with anything different. He’s behind or even with Cassel in most every career category, and Cassel is mediocre.
dablueguy - February 20, 2012
Ha, go look at the marjority of Cassels weapons
And look at who Ortons had to throw to the marjority of his career.
KCinIL - February 20, 2012
How about getting Brees in FA
cost 2 first rounders
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
Not a chance
Brees is New Orleans football. He’ll get resigned, along with Nicks and Colston. They may lose Meachum, Rogers, and Franklin though.
shotty - February 19, 2012
not even a chance of a chance
upamtn - February 19, 2012
i agree but cheap ass owner benson for the saints is going to tag brees first
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
The Cheap ass owners
are around 27million under the cap
Redberry - February 19, 2012
okay besides lenny dawson, who would u rank second as the best chiefs qb in franchise history.
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
Toss up
Warren Moon and Steve DeBurg were good, but after watching Tyler Palko this season..I dunno that’s a toughy. Sarcasm, its beauty eh?
shotty - February 19, 2012
Gannon
Redberry - February 19, 2012
Damon Huard.
MtHammer - February 19, 2012
I assume you mean "best" while with the Chiefs
Moon barely played for Chiefs even though he was good earlier in his career.
kabrink - February 19, 2012
montana my pick
I did like deberg though
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
Wouldn't it be great if we signed Jason Campbell?
Then the quarterback competition would be between two guys who can’t find their ass with both hands and a scrub! Great competition. If that happens, maybe the name of the team could be changed to the MNY Chiefs instead of the KC Chiefs. Make it official…….the Maybe Next Year Chiefs.
G.L. - February 19, 2012
$37 Million?
According to NFL Network, they indicated that KC is the team with the 2nd highest cap space behind Bucs ($67 Million). KC was at $63 Million. So KC Star is reporting $37 instead of $63 million? What happened to the other $26 Million?
58 was my friend - February 19, 2012
as long as the Chiefs can roll over un-used Cap space
we should be Golden.
If we spend 37 million more this year we can do great things in FA and re-signing our current players.
Palko should cost a couple of bucks, Cap wise .50 cents
Steve_Chiefs - February 19, 2012
clark had to sign a couple soccer players
thats where the difference is
niageriannit1 - February 19, 2012
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