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I've been predicting this for a while

Bowe gets his long-term deal first, Carr gets the tag if they can’t get a deal done

stagdsp - February 2, 2012 reply

Carr would not be worth the franchise tag for a Corner

Last year it was around $14 million. In no way is Carr going to get 1-year guaranteed at $14 million.

Dagda - February 2, 2012 reply

Not sure why there's a $4 million discrepancy between 2011's projected tag price and 2012's

Dagda - February 2, 2012 reply

didn't Flowers get about 10?

he and Carr should get about the same, I’m down with that

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8247df3a/article/franchisetag-values-will-be-down-across-the-board-in-2012

They calculate it different now

It isnt the top 5 highest paid from last year. It is the top player for the last 5 years I believe.

KSU-Chief - February 2, 2012 reply

What do you mean by top player?

I think I just didn’t understand the phrasing.

mistamic - February 2, 2012 reply

Here is a breakdown of it on NFL.com

KSU-Chief - February 2, 2012 reply

Wow, this seems downright wacky.

is formed by determining the franchise tags at that position over the last five years as a percentage of the overall cap figure in each of those five years.

Isn’t that a classical circular formula? Seems like the tag price for a certain position could get outta whack with the actual salaries at that position really fast. And what if you want to franchise, say, a guard, and there haven’t been any other guards franchised in the last five years? Hoping somebody knows because I’m too busy/lazy to look it up myself…..

STOP! USE YOUR FRIGGIN BRAIN HERE PEOPLE.

Brandon Flowers is EXCELLENT in man to man coverage. Brandon Carr is better than average. They both play zone well and can stop the run too. That being said, Carr is NOT worth the franchise tender for his position which I just read was about 10 million. NOT WORTH THAT i’d rather see Jalil Brown step in for 1/10th the price. Now, D.Bowe’s franchise tag is worth 14 million, which would make him the highest paid player on the team and deservedly so. If you can’t get a deal done w/ Bowe you franchise tag him. Carr will never get the franchise tag he’s simply not worth it. I faithfully predict both deals get done within two days of each other. Keep in mind they are both playing each other to see who signs first and for how much. I have heard their agents are driving these deals, NOT THE PLAYERS. GO CHIEFS!

JUNG_GUNS - February 2, 2012 reply

I think it's probably easier to make up for one weak receiver with scheme or complementary players than it is to make up for a weak CB.

Had a friend say the same thing to me yesterday...

But let me phrase it a little differently and see what you think. Is it easier to:

1) Find some one to go with Flowers, Lewis, and Berry, that would round out a secondary, or

2) Add someone to Breaston and Baldwin to make a top level recieveing core.

Normally I would take CB over WR, but in our case, I have seen what our offense looks like without Bowe. After struggling for year to find a legit #2 WR, I am NOT anxious about starting to find a new #1.

juvatbull - February 2, 2012 reply

True, we looked horrible without Bowe.

But the times we lost him, we weren’t prepared to be without him.

You can gameplan around a group of receivers because the offense has the initiative 9 times out of 10. Don’t have three good receivers? Fine, put a Gronk/Hernandez out there, or throw Charles the ball. But with a CB, a competent OC and QB are gonna put your weakest guy on an island pretty often no matter who you’ve got surrounding him. Berry and Lewis can’t come over to help out a CB without leaving a pretty obvious hole somewhere else.

THE FRANCHISE TAG ISN'T PERMANENT!

The franchise tag is often used to retain the rights to a player which the team is struggling to get a long term deal ironed out. See Tamba Hali. You franchise a player to keep him from the open markets and continue to work on a new contract. Therefore, it isn’t about if the player is worth it at his position. It is about keeping him in town and trying to work out the problem. Besides, it isn’t like we are lacking in Cap space…

xhornetsx - February 3, 2012 reply

I think the threat of the tag works in their advantage.

Neither player knows who they’re going to use it on so both are forced to at least negotiate in good faith. Carr already knows what it’s like to play on a one year deal and it was obvious he wasn’t thrilled about that and the threat of it happening again might be enough to get him to sign a deal. That works in the Chiefs favor too because I think Carr is definitely the safer pick if you were choosing who you wanted to give a longterm deal too.

This

Also taking it a step further and looking ahead

It’s not impossible that whoever gets tagged this year, could potentially get tagged again next year because other the Albert we don’t have any big losses looming.

I think part of the new CBA is that you can't tag the same player twice in a row.

A little busy with work atm, so can’t provide a link. But if memory serves (memory failure is always a possibility) – it just can’t be done now.

It was discussed but thrown out

Unless a player has it in their contract stating otherwise like Nnamdi and Fitz did, then you can frachise a player as many times as you like.

wrong

It is a maximum of two years consecutively. Not as many times as you want.

xhornetsx - February 3, 2012 reply

YES YOU CAN TAG A PLAYER TWO YEARS IN A ROW.

The Saints are about to do it to Drew Brees if they can’t get a deal.

JUNG_GUNS - February 2, 2012 reply

Yeah they do. Carr knows there is no way they tag him.

According to footballoutsiders, the projected franchise tag is $10+ million.

Dagda - February 2, 2012 reply

If they can't get it done with Carr, does Kirkpatrick become the pick at 11/12?

Even if they franchise and trade Carr

I don’t see them picking a CB in the first round. Perhaps the second or third.

Most likely the Chiefs would sign a free agent CB and go with Brown, Flowers and Arenas as their top three CB’s.

Though, I am hopeful that they sign both to long term deals around the start of free agency, after the two sniff around other offers. Both of their deals are going to be huge. Especially Bowe’s, but his down year helps his price a little bit.

I agree it would be a luxury pick, but...

I love having a secondary that can shut down an opponent and give time for the D-Line to get there. If they do somehow let Carr slip through their hands (God forbid), I hope they invest with a high pick to keep a good thing going on the back end of that defense.

TheValleybetterthanPAC12 - February 2, 2012 reply

disagree

If the Chiefs are forced into franchise-tagging Carr, they have to consider Kirkpatrick in the first round then repairing the O-line in the second round. Corners of his size and speed are rare. obviously the first choice is get the deal with Carr done.

That's fine

But I don’t foresee a situation where they lose Carr.

I think he is priority number one.

TheValleybetterthanPAC12 - February 2, 2012 reply

agreed

stagdsp - February 2, 2012 reply

We can only hope

I would like the Kirkpatrick pick.

But would Pioli be willing to overlook his recent mishap?

mistamic - February 2, 2012 reply

Depends what they think about Brown

Also this draft is decently deep at CB and there are some attractive prospects in rounds 2 and 3

Draft includes and is not limited to guys like... Clairborne and Kirkpatrick in 1st.

then… Dennard and Jenkins 1st or 2nd; then Minnifield and Gilmore in 2nd.

then …Johnson (Ia St), Johnson (Mont), Boykin (GA), Banks (MsSt), Judie (A&M) in 3rd.

What is your alls facination with the dude in the stocking cap.......

…..and his underware? Jebus!

F250 - February 2, 2012 reply

Hmmm

No one even mentioned it yet on this thread.

Or do you mean AP in general?

Didn't think about it before

But ads like this could really scare a newbe away for good.

jmcgoblue - February 2, 2012 reply

Or bring them onboard,

All depends on the person at the other end of the keyboard

true

not that there’s anything wrong with that :-P

jmcgoblue - February 2, 2012 reply

Not anything wrong with it, per say

But if you’re into football, and half naked men with ski masks you may be a rarer breed than most. Power to ya.

dont forget...

it looks like he is humping a bear….

FLAG ON THE PLAY!!!

I actually had to go back and look. Damn you.

Meant that as a Seinfeld reference ;)

jmcgoblue - February 2, 2012 reply

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

lol Seinfeld was my immediate thought when I read that.

kc_radrh8r - February 2, 2012 reply

It's disgusting, about enough to make me not read any more posts until it goes away!!

B_LEWIS - February 2, 2012 reply

it should be gone after tonight

but we shall see.

SBN may have something even more annoying to follow. But, how did this start?

SBNation’s logic: Well we built this huge blogging atmosphere! It’s awesome, but it may have to many readers…
Joel: How can we ruin it?
Chris: Huge annoying ads? (twiddles his mustache)
SBNation: Somebody get adult swim on the line, I know just the guy.

Very well.

But if I wake up tomorrow and there is a naked man on my AP page…well…then I am just going to have to sue you.

sounds reasonable...

chiefs_fan_forever - February 2, 2012 reply

Wide View helps a bunch.

The advertisement content is questionable.

I read this site in my office but this advertisement is too much for a business atmosphere. I know most people are at home or on their cell phones but come on man, you’re killing me with this garbage. Thanks and GO CHIEFS! Love this site for great articles and breaking Chiefs news.

JUNG_GUNS - February 2, 2012 reply

I am not fascinated just creeped out.

That picture is creepoid deluxe. There may be some bit of humor or joke it is meant to represent, but those of us who don’t watch Adult Swim don’t get it and don’t care. It is just plain weird.

G.L. - February 2, 2012 reply

And just think...

Someone, somewhere got PAID to create that thing.

Scott B. - February 2, 2012 reply

Hell, someone somewhere got paid to RIDE the damn thing!

That’s what even crazier.

mistamic - February 2, 2012 reply

I think Carr has the upper hand here

There are a lot of teams that need help bad at the CB spot so he could leave and get a bid payday.

Bowe is a top ten WR, but he does have the drop issues so I think it will be easier to re-sign him.

Considering that Carr plays opposit a very good CB and plays behind a D-Front that does not put on a lot of pressure the guy has done well for the Chiefs and will be rewarded.

By Chiefs or someone else.

Have to admit

I thought someone hacked into my computer when I first saw the ad,..like gay porn ad or something

tomachop - February 2, 2012 reply

One way to handle Chiefs free agents Bowe and Carr...

PAY THEM!!! $$$!!!

ArrowDread - February 2, 2012 reply

nah, too simple ... we need something much more complicated or we won't have a basis for discussion here

Reading this thread people are half and half about who

should be franchised and who should be paid. What that really says, me thinks, is that AP actually agrees that both need to be kept. Now how we do the keeping will be the interesting part. And I don’t think we’ll be finding out how for a while.

as mentioned by someone above, just bargain in good faith with both of them ... give 'em some money and move on

hate the franchise tag and would not at all like to see it used for either of these guys … it leads to long, drawn out and usually acrimonious sessions that often end up with the player leaving soon

that said, we have plenty of time … we’re all just sitting around wanting SOMETHING to type about, otherwise we’d be bored from the lack of anything actually happening and we’d resort to commenting about ads or something

Agreed

And the day we get into entire non-sequitor threads here on AP, will be the day that multi-nationals get tax breaks here in the US as somehow a way to help the economy…. oh wait… never mind.

I love my GE coffee maker!

Personally I'm a fan of Cuisanart

But of course it really depends on what kinds of grounds you are using.

Keurig FTW!!

Although I think his reference was more to the fact that GE paid no corporate taxes last year.

see, those use instant and that's just wrong, as any purist knows

and you call yourself an aficionado!

(correct on the GE reference)

Cigar and scotch aficionado

When it comes to coffee and women, instant and single use are preferred.

I see what you did there.

ha!

chiefsandcigars - February 3, 2012 reply

Wait, what?

Keurig isn’t instant, like powder or freeze dried coffee… it’s ground coffee packaged in a single-use pod, no?

DC_ChiefsFan - February 2, 2012 reply

True

Different definition of “instant”…no portions to worry about, no filters, to measuring water, etc…just pop in the pod, push a button and you have coffee.

I do not usually endorse idea of Tagging a player. In this case tagging either (CB and WR) the

players come out rosey for them. They will be guarantied about what they are worth with ability to test the market again in a short while. It would be in Chiefs interest to either lock them up now or let them go and grab a replacement now.

I think Carr is more likely to walk than Bowe

We can pay Bowe #1 wide receiver money because he’s our #1 wide receiver. But Carr’s a #2 cornerback, do you really want to franchise a #2 cornerback? He’ll get paid higher than a #2 cornerback as well. I’d prefer to keep Carr over Bowe but the value for what he’ll likely want to be paid just isn’t there.

Sam D - February 2, 2012 reply

I like Bowe but....

If I had to choose, Id rather keep Carr. Bowe has been very inconsistent during his career here.. Has had some MAJOR drops that helped decide games…he makes a spectacular catch, then drops the one that hits him right in the chest…Carr has manned his position well. I like the fact that we have 2 VERY GOOD corners….Since we have Baldwin now, and breaston…we could add another cheaper reciever to fill the hole Bowe leaves and save that money to fill another position

Bowe is a top 10 WR.

He’s a better talent than Carr. He can dominate and take over a game. I don’t understand people that fail to realize this. People put too much into a few drops. For every drop he makes, he has 5 amazing catches. The good far outweighs the bad. I don’t want to lose Carr, but Bowe is far more valuable.

Last year, yes.

This year, not so much.

Everyone agrees that Bowe is top 10

and it’s not about how many drops per se, but more that his drops come in key situations

Not trying to cause an argument but...

I can’t recall these key situations.

The TD drop in the Raider game this year

TD drop in the Colts game last year. Just a couple examples for you

Allow me to retort.

The game tying TD catch in the same Raiders game. The absolute beasting in the Colts game this year, one catch could be considered one of the best of the year.

I want Bowe to stay

just saying he does have key situations when he drops the ball

He has had a few.

People are easy to forget all the plays that he makes to keep us competitive in games with a chance to win. The good outweighs the bad by a wide margin.

craig in calgary - February 2, 2012 reply

Sign Bowe to a long term deal, franchise Carr

Bowe has been much more consistant than Carr throughout his career, let Carr prove himself one more year.

Or friggin sign both, lord knows we have the cap room

Bowe consistant??

we totally disagree…..he has improved, but he still has way too many drops…..game changing drops….and its usually the “easy” catches that he has the problem with….i dont mind a drop here and there; it happens….but its WHEN he drops them.

craig in calgary - February 2, 2012 reply

Oh stop it

He has the most drops because he sees the most balls.
I’m so tired of hearing about his drops. Every year the WR’s who have the most drops are the best WR’s in the league. It’s just a statistical thing. He doesn’t drop any more or any less balls per attemept than anyone, it’s just confirmation bias.

We lead the league in drops just 2 years ago

and bowe was the leader on that recieving corp….like i said, he has improved, but, when its 3rd and 8 and your #1 reciever drops a pass that hits him right in the numbers for a first down, it kills the drive, momentum….

Its not a HUGE knock on Bowe….all im saying is Carr has been more consistant than Bowe, and since we dont have much of a pass rush, we NEED 2 good corners more than we need Bowe…especially since we drafted Baldwin in the first round last year…..if you add Moeaki, and Charles back into the mix, it makes NEEDING to pay Bowe a shitload of money less important…its just my opinion

led...the league...DOH!

Before this year.

There was a huge push around here to get rid of Carr because he “couldn’t get his head around.” Consistency is not the argument you need to be making. Bowe has also made plenty of catches in clutch situations, and I can’t think of a drop where i thought, “man if Bowe catches that, we win the game.” Like Lee Evans in Baltimore in the AFC championship.

Oh.

So the one that tied the game when we needed it most can be disregarded.

Not at all

but the dropped one was just as important

I would agree.

My thinking is that if you weigh all the good versus the bad, your scale is going to be weighing heavily to one side.

the 2010 game in Oakland

if Bowe made that third down reception, KC would have run out the clock and the game would have been over, instead, KC loses in OT.

When Flowers got burned in OT?

We need all new starters… ones that never make a bad play.

you wrote:

I can’t think of a drop where i thought, "man if Bowe catches that, we win the game." Like Lee Evans in Baltimore in the AFC championship.

you were just given two examples of receptions, if made, would have changed the outcome of the game. you’re just choosing to ignore them.

The one in Oakland in 2010...

might be comparable. Truthfully, i didn’t recall it. I still wouldn’t compare either to the drop by Lee in the endzone. The bottom line is, neither of those examples warrant discussion on Bowe’s dismissal. He is our number one priority to re-sign. He’s a rare talent and recently has become an extremely polished receiver. Before he got hurt in the last Denver game, he was making Champ Bailey look like a lost rookie.

i never wrote that it should lead to his dismissal

but you can’t deny that Bowe has had drops that, if made, would have either closed out the game, or put KC in a position to win the game…just like Lee Evans.

ehhh

I guess the 3rd down catch in Oakland would have closed out that game. There’s no arguing that. My issue is with those who are content with Bowe leaving because of his propensity to drop balls in big situations. While you can draw a few examples like those above, it’s just not as significant as others point it out to be. Still no Lee Evans examples, I’ll stand by that one, damnit.

you might not think they're significant

but I’m comfortable in thinking that Pioli thinks drops that lead to losses are significant. it’s the difference between top-5 receiver $$$$$ (which I think Bowe wants) and top-10 receiver $$$ (which I think Pioli is offering).

I don't think its significant enough compared to Bowe's body of work

and his importance to the Chiefs offense. Thats the case I’m trying to get across. If you are have to reach back 2 years ago to a game that ended up being meaningless in the final result of our AFC west championship, then i don’t think it’s significant. I won’t speculate on what Pioli thinks or what the contract negotiations entail.

but the dropped TD this year would have put KC into the playoffs

How about

On the next play, Orton throws it out of the back of the endzone and we get a field goal before half.

again, this debate isn't about Orton or Flowers

you keep trying to shift the impact of Bowe’s mistakes on other players. the point is…Bowe has had drops that have directly led to losses and Bowe has had drops that have had great significance. these are important things to consider when it comes to his contract.

Again,

none of his drops have directly led to a loss. I was trying to make the point that his drop this year against Oakland didn’t lose us the game. It’s ok to bring up other players, this is a team sport. Bottom line, Bowe has had a greater impact in victories, than he has had in losses. It’s not even close. I will not blame a drop in the second quarter where he was sandwiched between two defenders on the outcome of the game. Especially when he was so vital in the fourth quarter of that game, making great plays. He took over at the end of that game, and we would not have been in it without him.

the drop last season in Oakland DID lead to a loss

so it’s a team sport when Bowe makes mistakes, but when Lee Evans makes the drop, it’s all on him?

Correct

Lee Evans was a bum all year for the Ravens. Bowe was KC’s best offensive player in 2011 and maybe 2010. If you are going to continue to have the drop from two years ago in Oakland be your only arguing point, then i guess Bowe did have a crucial drop. Let’s let him walk.

please, show me where i wrote that KC should let him walk

you’re the one who orignally stated that Bowe never had a drop that cost a game. he did. then you stated his drops haven’t been significant. many have been. these are the things people who are ok with Bowe leaving are thinking about. these things don’t matter to me. i want Bowe on this team. but those negatives can’t be ignored. most people aren’t even saying let him walk. the majority of people i see want him tagged and if needed, traded to move up in the draft to get a franchise QB. i’ve never seen anyone say he should just “walk”.

Losses are always significant

If the Chiefs go 11-5, they may not have drawn Baltimore for their playoff game, you can’t ignore the importance of some of his drops.

If Bowe hauls in the TD this season, KC would have won the West, been in the playoffs. Those are significant drops.

RickDeckard - February 2, 2012 reply

You can't use this reasoning.

What about the 15 Td’s he did have? Whats the Chiefs record without those?

Cant remember what game it was last year

Bowe had the HUGE TD drop that embarrassed him and then he went on to have a great season after that….

Colts game

Bowe has never even been in a game of that magnitude

to compare it with Lee Evans…

That's correct.

If that was your original argument, sure.

But it wasn’t.

RickDeckard - February 2, 2012 reply

I was just commenting on the validity of his statement.

My argument was....

That if I HAD to choose, I would choose Carr because I think in the long run, he is more important to the team and less expendable….We have Baldwin and Breaston and the 2012 draft coming up…when Moeaki, and Charles return we have a good offensive corp without Bowe….But Flowers and Carr make a very good CB tandem and I dont think you should break that up…IMO Bowe is going to demand big money and those dollars could be spent elsewhere….Carr, only being the second CB…will not demand as much…

I look at it as...

Our best offensive player this year? It’s hard to pick someone else other than Bowe. There’s an argument between him and Charles in 2010. Maybe you make an argument for Albert this year?
Flowers24 had a fanpost the other day and it asked a few questions with the last one being, “Who’s the best player on the defense?” I didn’t see any responses that had Carr in it.
I love me some Brandon Carr, but Bowe is a critical component to our offense and is hitting his prime. He is a true number 1 receiver that demands the attention of any defense. That’s a hard thing to to acquire and to let go.

I wasn't commenting on your statement.

I was commenting on the guy who stated that Bowe hasn’t had drops that have costed KC the game.

RickDeckard - February 2, 2012 reply

you mean "cost KC the game"

costed KC the game.

Wow

really? you’re going to attack a typo? that’s weak.

I dont bother me none

wen peoples correct mine grammer mistakz.

Later bansky and all others in this Bowe debate

I’m out for the day. I enjoyed our discussion. Nothing personal, just conflicting opinions. Have a good day.

don't want to choose

we have the cap space lets get a deal done for both.

tomachop - February 2, 2012 reply

OK, seriously, the ad for "Delocated" needs to go away.

A guy wearing nothing but a ski mask and his skivies was bad enough just at the top of the page… now it’s on the top, both sides and has an ad in between the front page articles.

Tomahawk29 - February 2, 2012 reply

agreed!

You beat me to it

GaryfromIA - February 2, 2012 reply

AdBlock is your friend.

I was just about to say that.

Knightwolfbr - February 2, 2012 reply

I know ads pay the bills

but geez,.. if you saw this for the first time on AP….

tomachop - February 2, 2012 reply

I can't be productive at work with this on AP !!!

GaryfromIA - February 2, 2012 reply

I don't know about you guys

But that Delocated ad is starting to upset me.

Also, please keep Bowe and Carr.

Thanks

Brad-KC - February 2, 2012 reply

don't look at it ... I mean, did you come here to look at ads or did you come to talk football?

that Delocated ad is starting to upset me

I came for Sexassasin's pics

Which I haven’t seen in a good while. Altho the one from the beer thread will tide me over for now :)

hmmm that really can be taken the wrong way huh?

you haven't checked the "new logo" thread, have you?

nope. But I take that to mean I should.

Its not better than the beer thread

but it certainly has potential.

The beer thread was good

Even if I"m not a beer drinker… I know gasp… horrors…. ‘You must not have tried the right kind", "here let me ’really’ introduce you to beer.’ Yup heard it all. Sorry. Just dont’ like beer. A good glass of wine, I’m a huge fan of Malbec’s, and I’m all in. Or come the spring, give me a Dark and Stormy. It just cracks me up, that so many folks think cuz I don’t like beer, they are the ones who will correct that flaw. I’m 36. It aint’ happening. And I’m ok with that.

You probably enjoyed "Sideways"

Nope

It kinda bored the hell outta me. Don’t make no assumptions just cuz I enjoy my wine. Renting bikes and going from vineyard to vineyard in Mendoza Argentina is as far away from Sideways as you can get.

Wine tours never made any sense to me

Why mess with the bikes and vineyards and such…just find a local hub, plant yourself down with a plate of cheese and a strong cigars, and let the wine come to you

Let the argentinans bike for thier wine…I’m an American dammit!

stop whining!

oh, wait …

That joke's a real dud.

Hah.

Sitting around waiting for the drinks to come to me also is boring. Travelling, making it an experience, meeting beautiful Argentinians along the way. That’s a blast. But hey we can do things differently.

Even though I know I’m right :)

If you find the right place

The beautiful Argentinians BRING you the drinks.

Traveling is for tourists.

And just checked in there.

Non-sequitors? What? :)

I came here to talk football

and maybe some cigars/scotch…

but I keep coming across this idiot upamtn…AP should really do something about this because it is starting to upset me

I know ... dud is like all over the place ... annoying as hell!

And at least Tex self proclaims to be an idiot

and Masons has dibs on "imbecile"

we’re running out of appropriate adjectives, but I’m open to suggestions :-)

Well there's always cuzz or brah...

considering tjax ssssssssssssuuuuuuuuuuuuuxxxxxxxxxxx :)

that hurts, really it does ;-)

dud might work

its appropriate, site friendly…“Ups is the AP DUD”…kinda has a ring to it

ha! was hoping nobody would pick up on that typo ... should've known better

I don't miss much...

…when I’m sober.

hold on. this event in itself call for a major press release ...

At work

when you work 9 hour days, you end up staying sober/hungover for at least some of it

and on that note, its lunch break time! Gotta get rid of this headache.

Yep

much better to never leave our home zipcode. I’d rather go out and explore than be one of those folks who that never learns a different perspective (not saying you are), cuz they never have their own culture and ideals challenged.

IT'S HARD TO AVOID A NAKED MAN IN A SKI MASK. JEEZE

Brad-KC - February 2, 2012 reply

If he is wearing a ski mask...

…then by definition, he isn’t naked, right?

misterbrain - February 3, 2012 reply

Carr's Value > Bowe's Value

Skrappy - February 2, 2012 reply

In the event we Can't keep Carr

I think you have to approach PHI with an offer for DRC

SillyHatDay - February 2, 2012 reply

I like your simple ABC approach, but the NFL might pull an FCC or an FBI, then we'll have to resort to CIA and call the FAA for our high-flying offense

besides, who can get thru the DOD that’s going to be as simple as 123 … see what I mean here?

PBR me, ASAP

That being said, DRC is a good fallback option

stagdsp - February 2, 2012 via mobile reply

They play completely different styles, I don't see the trade-off.

Carr is big and physical, but has enough quickness that (when he gets his effing HEAD TURNED) he’s highly effective as a “man” corner and as a Cover-2 type.

DRC is primarily a man-coverage corner; his size numbers are similar but his game is not.

Not sure how he’d fit here…I’d see KC drafting a new corner first if they had to. The primary objective: Lock them both up—we have the money, after all.

go_saleaumua - February 2, 2012 reply

i guess im lucky im on my mobile and can not see the add everyone's raving about

CHIEFFAN82 - February 2, 2012 via mobile reply

Jeez....this Delocated ad is freaking me out!!!

Actually, I don’t give a crap. Just figured we needed at least one more comment about it.

It’s easy, if you don’t have Adblock or something of the sort….ignore the ad and read the football stuff. AP has to pay the bills, and I for one am glad to have a great, FREE, website to come to and waste hours of my day.

well said ... nice that some one GETs it and is RIGHT about it in perspective

I like what you did there.

Upsetting to see that you think someone's OPINION can be RIGHT.

Personally, I usually have AP up on a work laptop while I work on my desktop. I don’t have admin privileges to install ad blockers on the laptop. I also work with a couple of respectable, married females who come in my office to ask me a question every once in awhile.

It is pissing me off.

well said!

CHIEFFAN82 - February 2, 2012 via mobile reply

except the part about "wasting hours"

I mean let’s face it, this isn’t wasteful, this is LIFE, right? this feeds our minds and souls … our very essence of existence

Hmmm....maybe "waste" was the wrong word.

It’s almost like I NEED to check AP every 5 minutes. It’s an addiction that makes me much less productive at work.

Pioli would NOT be happy to know of this!

Carr and Bowe

We can’t forget that these players have to WANT to come back to KC. I see both of them wanting to test the free agent waters and see what they can get. I also think Bowe and the Bowe “show” would want a bigger market to play to. So we can throw all the money in the world at either, but if they want to play somewhere else it won’t matter…and we can only franchise one.

Since we dont put as much pressure on the QB as we would like

you need TWO good corners to cover….thus Carr is more important IMO….

Flowers and Carr would have EVEN better numbers if we had a pass rush and they didnt have to cover for 4-7 seconds on just about every passing down….Hali does a good job, but we need more pressure and push from the D Linemen.

Houston will be a beast next season

I’ll be disappointed if he doesn’t have 10 or more sacks.

PVChiefsfan - February 2, 2012 reply

that remains to be seen...

it took him a loooooong time to start making an impact this year….I hope he picks up where he left off….

he'll be fine but only if we pick up a Sumo Wrestler to play NT position

a true 17-gap kinda guy, know what I mean?

the NFL has already tried the Sumo Wrestler idea

they also tried the WWF wrestler too.. :-)
Brock Lesnar couldnt make the Vikings squad

More like he tried them right?

And failed at UFC also – although not as poorly as kimbo slice.

Failed???

After very little training he beat the Heavyweight Champ….had a couple title defenses and avenged a loss…..for the amount of time he had, i would say he did pretty damn good in the UFC….not to mention he has a disease that damn neared killed him…twice..

and he made a SHITLOAD of money

Granted.

And I’m no real follower, but I feel like his defense (where he lost his title) and his last match, where he retired afterwards, all were over and done with in record time. Not to say I’d ever want to meet him in a back alley.

Hey, has anyone seen that Delocated ad?

What’s everybody’s opinion on this?

personally I think Mike Vrabel will retire, but don't hold me to it

Depends, if he doesn't like the new logo I could see him staying put for a while longer

But, Peyton should have everything checked out first. Orton>Cassel, Mock Draft, Offensive Coordinator, so on and so forth.

would we need to repaint the bedroom?

perhaps something more “manly” … with a bearskin rug as an accent

Delocated wall paper, eh. I can dig it.

well, I'm not sold on it yet ... pick up a copy of one of these on the way home and we'll discuss, alright?

The men who pick these up on their way home

probably enjoy the delocated wallpaper to begin with.

Hard to put my finger on the pulse of the readers regarding this

Since nobody seems to want to address it.

That, and who our new OC should be. I haven't even heard of any human options yet!

Jesus Christ, why do hillbilly Chiefs fans avoid the hot button issues so?!

The real mysteries to me are what people think about the possibility of Manning coming to the Chiefs

And what should be done about the QB position in general.

I just can’t find anything on those topics at all. It’s really frustrating.

Would you rather talk about Tim Tebow?

Who's that?

Well it'd be nice if the poor guy could actually get some airtime devoted to him

Guy’s working his ass off and he’s still a complete unknown.

"Uh, do you think it will be Bowe? Because I...I mean, the team...needs Bowe BAD!"

“Matt in Kansas City wonders which free agent the Chiefs will retain sooner, Dwayne Bowe or Brandon Carr.

Let’s call him M. Cassel. No, that’s too obvious. Matt C. Yeah. Matt C. has a question.

The Gentry - February 2, 2012 reply

hahahahahahahahahaha!

Franchise Orton.

Let Bowe and Carr walk.

Tarkus - February 2, 2012 reply

haaaaaaaaaaa!

that is so stupid,

it is brilliant… they’ll never see it coming

Kind of like the 3rd and long draw play.

Tarkus - February 2, 2012 reply

I am pretty sure EVERYONE saw that coming

this is more like a quick slant to Bowe on first and 10.