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It's official: Stanford Routt is coming to the Kansas City Chiefs. After multiple reports that the Chiefs picked up Routt, Josh Looney of the Chiefs official website reported that the team has confirmed the move -- Routt is a Chief.
Looney is tweeting a few tidbits out from head coach Romeo Crennel and GM Scott Pioli.
Crennel says he likes Routt's proven track record of success, as well as his familiarity with the Raiders and the AFC West. That makes a lot of sense and it's one of the big pluses to the Routt signing -- he knows a third of the Chiefs schedule really well.
Pioli said he's look to create more competition at all positions. Keeping Brandon Carr in KC would make for some great competition but by all indications Carr is going to hit the open market and, more than likely, sign somewhere else.
I need a little longer to wrap my head around this. There are definitely some positives to this move but it changes how I look at the Chiefs free agency plans quite a bit.
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Chiefs won't walk away empty handed with Carr.
We either get to keep Carr, franchise and trade him, or get a decent compensation pick for him next year. Routt doesn’t count against the compensation pick because he was cut by the Raiders.
Vince D - February 20, 2012
Good to know
But he’s worth at least a 2nd, compensation is usually late thirds isn’t it?
Chief Fan NZ - February 20, 2012
Yes
but a 3rd round pick is good value. Jamaal Charles, Mike Wallace, Jermichael Finley, to name a few.
Vince D - February 20, 2012
This doesn't improve the defense.
And you can’t make good lemonade out of this no matter how hard you might want to.
F250 - February 20, 2012
Just compare Routt and Carr
That lemonade is just fine
RememberDelaney37 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
How so?
Are you saying this does indeed make our defense better?
F250 - February 20, 2012
Routt isn't a huge downgrade from Carr
He is only one step lower on the ladder
KingChief - February 20, 2012
Or a wash.
Their stats are almost identical for last year.
bossmanham - February 20, 2012
If that much
I say he is the same at the very least. He eliminates the trouble we’ve had recently dealing with ver fast receivers
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
I disagree...
We can:
1. Keep Carr and have the best 3CB rotation in the NFL. Also helps in Nickel packages, yes?
2. Franchise and trade Carr and get some serious value for him.
3. Not resign Carr, and let him walk and get depth in CB in the draft. (Seriously doubt this happens.)
AnkenyChiefsFan - February 20, 2012
Having 3 stud corners helped the Eagles last year didn't it?
Oh wait….
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
they had a horrid D coordinator and the worst linebackers in the NFL
two things you could argue we are amongst the best in the NFL
IPWT2009 - February 20, 2012
All those guys are man corners
and their offensive line coach had them playing in zone most of the year
KingChief - February 20, 2012
They got killed by the run most of all...
For some reason they ran a scheme that emphasized rushing the passer despite having 3 great corners. On top of that, they had literally no off-season to gel or learn the scheme. You can probably assume they’ll be much improved next year.
DannyDavis - February 20, 2012
Point is fellas
Having 3 stud corners guarantees you nothing. Too much money tied up in one position group which is why the Eagles had to deal with shit for linebackers
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
You're right...
to a certain extent. You always need to look at your team, evaluate strengths and weaknesses, and then make logical personnel decisions. Having a surplus of talent at a position is only an issue if you’re largely ignoring other positions. On the defense I don’t see a lot of holes, so having 3 great corners is something we could probably afford. No guarantees, but it certainly can still improve your team.
DannyDavis - February 20, 2012
We have GLARING holes on the O-line and right in the middle of our D-line
We also have no S depth also our RB depth is shit.
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
I realize we don't have a perfect team
Some of the things you mentioned, particularly RB depth will be addressed in the draft or from free agency.
My main point is that I think having a surplus at one position is affordable as long as complimentary positions on that side of the ball aren’t a glaring weakness. I don’t think it’s reasonable to stockpile great corners and ignore the pass rush. They play together. I think that was largely the Eagles issue.
DannyDavis - February 20, 2012
i wonder if we still can have enough
Cash to keep carr I like carr and our secondary would be very dangerous with all of them.
sexassassin - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Seeing how Routt signed for a little under $7 million per
I’m thinking Carr may be asking for the $10-$11 million range and he might be good as gone.
KingChief - February 20, 2012
Rumors are 14 million
michigan13 - February 20, 2012
14 million??
Darelle Revis’s 2011 salary is $12 million…#10 on the list is making 7.8 million…If Carr is asking for more than 7 million, then I say let him walk…That is ridiculous…
Check it out:
http://www.numeroten.com/top10/sports/files/top-10-highest-paid-cornerbacks-in-the-nfl-2011.html
AnkenyChiefsFan - February 20, 2012
Contracts get more expensive every year
MNchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
Understand, but...
he has to recognize that he is, at best, CB 1b for this team…i.e. his compensation should be close to Flowers’….
AnkenyChiefsFan - February 20, 2012
I don't know
Players generally seem to overvalue themselves.
MNchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
then its ok to let a dumb guy walk
jp
worc - February 20, 2012
Often teams do too.
Tarkus - February 20, 2012
This is ridiculous...
The only thing that will make me support this move is if Carr was demanding $10M+/year…otherwise, WHY wouldn’t you just re-sign the guy that you drafted, groomed, and claimed you wanted to retain…SMH…
ClydeTheGlyde - February 20, 2012
He may have been asking for that much...
or at least close to it. But now we have options. We can try to get a deal done with Bowe, knowing he will probably get the tag if he doesn’t sign. You can then tag Carr and get something for him. It’s a good move.
EricBerryYoYouScary - February 20, 2012
The tag
is why this is a brilliant move. Pioli has Bowe right where he wants him, and Carr is probably not too happy, because we could easily tag and trade him wherever, and he has zero say in it.
husker_doc - February 20, 2012
Carr still has a say where he goes
He would still need to sign an extension. No team is going to trade a 2nd round pick for a one year Carr rental
HIV 2 Elway - February 20, 2012 via mobile
I see what yo did there.
EricBerryYoYouScary - February 20, 2012
True
MNchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
Well played.
nateforchiefs - February 20, 2012
Though of course the Nets have done that with Deron Williams
nateforchiefs - February 20, 2012
A lot of teams did do the 1 year rental this past offseason
Maybe Carr gets put in this situation to see if he really can handle the #1 CB spot
KingChief - February 20, 2012
Matt Cassel would like a word with you.
Tarkus - February 20, 2012
Is that supposed to be some example of a time a team traded a second round pick for a player who wouldn't sign an extension?
Because I remember a certain college TE signing a $63M extension.
HIV 2 Elway - February 20, 2012
*a team trading
HIV 2 Elway - February 20, 2012
True
It’s a good insurance policy for those reasons…I guess I’ll just have to wait and see how it all shakes out…still disappointed we didn’t lock him up during the season, but here we are…
ClydeTheGlyde - February 20, 2012
"Underneath a man you find...his nucleus"
I liked the streak Pioli had going locking up homegrown long term. Hate to see the pattern end on Carr
KansasCityShuffle - February 20, 2012
You have to remember there is 2 sides to every story
Maybe Pioli tried to get Carr for $8-$9 million per and Carr said I know I can get more than that so Pioli goes and get someone who isn’t that much of a drop off for about $7 million per
KingChief - February 20, 2012
Fantastic Move
Forces Bowe’s camp into a deal in fear of the tag. Also, we can tag Carr and trade his ass for a first or second rounder, all the while keeping a #2 corner in-tact, with Flowers happy.
husker_doc - February 20, 2012
Carr > Routt
You don’t get better by replacing good players with lesser players.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
We couldn't afford Carr.
Even if we tagged him, we couldn’t keep him for more than one more year. He is going to be way overpaid somewhere, and it is obvious he wasn’t willing to cut us a deal. With Berry coming back, Lewis coming of age, and a young developmental project in Brown, this was a fairly safe move. Also, Routt was quite successful as the number 2 corner, but he is not a number one. That is why he isn’t making Carr money.
husker_doc - February 20, 2012
Adam Teicher broke it down earlier.
We could afford Carr. As far as him not cutting a deal, he actively tried to do that last season. Pioli didn’t bite, and now we have a lesser talent at the position.
Also, Routt was a solid #2 when he played behind a front 7 that was one of the top in the league. When their pass rush fell off this season, that’s when he got exposed. And, the Chiefs don’t play #1/#2 system. We play LCB/RCB with both players being expected to cover the opponents’ #1 WR at any time.
By Week 5, everyone will be complaining about this.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
By week 5 everyone will probably see that Carr wasn't worth #1 money
So it will be ok.
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
I think the exact opposite will happen.
People will be so frustrated with Routt that they’ll be saying Carr was worth the money.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
But 10M$/year?
That’s a pretty significant difference. I would say 8-9 max to stay if not let him leave and most likely fail as a #1 guy somewhere else.
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
Or he pulls a Jonathan Joseph and shows that he is good enough to be a #1.
And we could have worked his contract in a number of ways, including a back end deal where we could trade him.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
Or he doesn't
RememberDelaney37 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
But, but, but...we saved some $$$
Scott B. - February 20, 2012
"Pioli said he's look to create more competition at all positions."
BS!
F250 - February 20, 2012
Pioli totally botched this deal.
He could have easily signed him at good value last year, but he was to busy with candy bar wrappers. Dude doesn’t have a clue.
F250 - February 20, 2012
That is clearly
Exactly what happened
MNchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
Kiss the ring if you wish.
Personally I’m convinced Pioli can’t walk on water.
And why do you feel the need to post something snide after most things I post?
F250 - February 20, 2012
It's gotta be because I'm such a ring kisser
MNchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
I could think of worse things for you to kiss.
nateforchiefs - February 20, 2012
Honestly, though?
I rarely see you making logical, rational arguments. Instead, you throw out opinions as facts in a generally jackassy manner.
See your comment that I replied to initially here for an example.
I’m not going to waste my time debating things with someone who makes comments like that. Instead, I’ll return the snideness. If you’d like something more, try providing more yourself.
MNchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
Yawn. Candy wrappers & Routt > Carr
RememberDelaney37 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
I guess Carr's Payday wrappers backfired on him.
Tarkus - February 20, 2012
rec'd
tomachop - February 20, 2012
You do if you have a SLIGHTLY lesser player at one position
And then make a major upgrade at another, NT comes to mind
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
I think Carr is much better than Routt.
And we’ll see that soon enough.
Also, I’d feel a lot better about that strategy if we had already upgraded NT.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
Free Agency didn't start yet
So its just a lets wait and see
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
Yeah, but this is a pretty bold move to make ahead of Free Agency.
Especially with the talent that is likely to be available through trade, Free Agency, and the draft.
Routt was hardly a “must sign” player.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
I think in our situation he was
If Carr leaves we have a HUGE hole. We sign him now from this point forward we only have to worry about getting one big name Chief re-signed and then plan for free agency. Now Carr can go try to get his 10mil a year somewhere else.
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
But there were a ton of options this offseason.
And Routt was hardly the best one. One of our strong points with FA was that our key Free Agents were in positions with deep markets this offseason.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
You sign a guy who had a down season for a great deal then that leaves you with the space to sign another player
You eliminate the choice on who to franchise way ahead of time
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
I don't think he had a down year.
I think he was just exposed. I think he had a good 2010 and al davis made a terrible deal with him to make the fans think losing Nnamdi was an ok thing.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
They thought it was OK because he played very well during his whole career up till that point
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
He played alright behind one of the best pass rushes in the league...
and opposite a shut down CB, so he always got the over-the-top help.
Our pass rush isn’t very good, and Flowers doesn’t shut down the whole side of the field like Nnamdi did.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
Nnamdi himself was exposed this year too
What does that say?
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
Raders suck?
tomachop - February 20, 2012
That the Eagles should have let him play more man?
MtHammer - February 20, 2012
We got a tested and successful #2 CB for reasonable money
We didn’t (or haven’t yet, anyway) overpay a #2 CB like a #1 despite them never lining up as a #1.
RememberDelaney37 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Exactly
In 2010, Routt was probably the best #2 CB in the league. Last year they tried to make a #1 out of him and he had a mediocre year. I wanted to keep Carr but I think he’s wanting #1 money and we have other spots to upgrade.
cowboyChief - February 20, 2012
In 2010
The raiders had 47 sacks and got after the QB better than almost anyone.
In 2011, there was a huge drop off from that.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
But then you are in a bidding war if you wait until free agency starts
Why wait just to have to pay more?
RememberDelaney37 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
The bidding war won't be for Routt.
Carlos Rodgers, Brent Grimes, Cortland Finnegan, and Brandon Carr are going to be the prizes of Free Agency. After that, it’s pretty widely believed that Asante Samuel will go on the trade block. Then you still have Maurice Claiborne and Dre Kirkpatrick in the draft.
Routt was a lot further down the list.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
But again, signing Routt now vs. waiting until other suitors get desperate when those 4 top free agent CBs are gone
Why wait? We didn’t need a #1 CB like those 4 you named will likely be paid, and why handcuff our selves to having to use our #1 pick on a CB?
RememberDelaney37 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Why handcuff ourselves to Stanford Routt?
Even after those names I mentioned, there are talented guys for the #2 slot.
Reshean Mathis, Richard Marshall, Terrell Thomas, and Tracy Porter would all be just as good (if not better) than Routt.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
How are we handcuffed?
This deal costs us about 6M total for this year.
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
We're handcuffed because the better player is leaving.
Sure we saved a buck, but why? Half the fans have been screaming about Pioli not spending money, and the other half have been saying he will do it this offseason.
Now he’s saving money at the cost of talent. We didn’t get any better with this signing.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
Ah, but we didn't get any worse either, and its for likely less money than Carr will get, which leaves more for real positions of need
RememberDelaney37 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
I think we did get worse.
To me there is no doubt that Carr > Routt.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
PFF might disagree with you as well
RememberDelaney37 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
I hope I'm wrong...
but I really don’t think so on this one.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
I don't know about you, but I haven't watched enough Raider games to make that judgement.
polodude017 - February 20, 2012
what convinces you that Carr is such a better player?
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
Because he played for the Chiefs and we have a nostalgic attachment to him.
MtHammer - February 20, 2012
Watching both players, I see a total difference in talent.
Why are you so convinced that he isn’t?
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
same as yours
How many times over the past few season have you watched Carr get torched because he didn’t get his damn head around. I seen plenty.
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
Rarely this last year, and not very many times the year before
Emmitt Thomas learned him some CB skills.
ChiefWarPaint - February 20, 2012
I watched as the Raiders beat our asses recently and we couldn't move the ball
Even in the games we won our offense still barely moved the ball.
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
Our offense never moves the ball
but with DABOLL they will. MARK MY WORDS
Brad-KC - February 20, 2012
I'm hoping right along with you my friend
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
You can say that for just about every team we played.
I don’t think Stanford Routt should get credit for our offensive deficiencies.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
You would have been VERY hard pressed to justify that argument before this season
Routt was a very good #2 CB opposite Nnamdi
Carr was a pretty good #2 CB that struggled with consistency in coverage opposite Flowers
RememberDelaney37 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Is Carr leaving?
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
Because he said
dbakerku - February 20, 2012
So we go right back to the tried and true argument against Pioli?
Just because its not a player you want does not mean they aren’t good players
RememberDelaney37 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
I don't want him because I don't think he's any good.
And he’s definitely not as good as the guy we did have. I don’t like going backwards.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
Many fans disagree with you about Routt
Time will tell on who is right and what we do with Carr (which again, isn’t gone yet, so this argument is kind of moot)
RememberDelaney37 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
That's a lot of money to pay our CBs.
Especially when we have other areas to address.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
Routt is only guaranteed 4 million bucks per reports
If he sucks then we can cut him for limited loss.
If he doesn’t suck and plays well we’re only playing like 6 mil a year, which isn’t bad.
ChiefWarPaint - February 20, 2012
I read $6.5 mil guaranteed.
$11 mil total.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
6.5 Mill still isn't that bad
ChiefWarPaint - February 20, 2012
No, not individually.
But if we add that to what we’re paying Flowers this year, and what we would have to pay Carr to keep him on board as well, then it becomes a ton of money for our CBs.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
And its a passing league, and most Super Bowls are won off the backs of Elite franchise guys.
I’m fine with it
ChiefWarPaint - February 20, 2012
Thats not true
Routt is a good cover corner in his own right.
We just can’t use him in the Nickel or in zone coverage.
Hoping Emmitt Thomas can coach him up as well, he’s still young but it doesn’t seem that Rod Woodson helped him all that much.
ChiefWarPaint - February 20, 2012
I think he benefited more from the pressure the raiders D got on QBs.
As long as he isn’t asked to do much, he’s just fine.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
No, you get better by effectively managing your entire roster.
Not getting hung up on one single position.
Tarkus - February 20, 2012
Good insurance policy but Carr is better
Hopefuly they lock down Bowe do we can tag and trade Carr. Having him just walk would hurt and from what I understand compensatory picks are based on net loss/gain of free agents so signing Route and losing Carr would be a wash.
HIV 2 Elway - February 20, 2012 via mobile
I think the main reason they did this SO early was to
concentrate on Bowe on. If Carr ends up walking, well than at least his position is filled. Ideally, it would be nice to sign Bowe and Tag Carr. Find the suitors who are willing to pay top dollar for Carr, which would be the Redskins, because they sucked this past year and their 2nd round draft picks would be pretty high and can be used to jump back into the 1st round to get high quality talent.
Mitul V. Patel - February 20, 2012
Comp picks are for cummulative loss/gain
Pioli is aware of that and I’m he would do what he could to make sure he got his comp pick.
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
The only way I support this move:
kcsno56 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Damn mobile
Is if we lock down Bowe long term and then tag/trade Carr. Otherwise this is a net minus.
I realize he was cheaper than Carr, but we still could’ve kept both if we just signed ONE of them to a long term deal. Is that too much to ask for an org that has talked non-stop about keeping our own best players? This was the excuse given by all the Clark apologist$…
So if the plan going into this offseason was to sign neither Carr or Bowe to long term deals…I’ll be majorly disappointed.
kcsno56 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Agreed
It makes no sense to not tag Carr if they can get Bowe signed.
Unless… negotiations were going poorly with both and they wanted to be able to tag Bowe?
MNchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
Well...
They signed Johnson, Flowers, Hali and Charles long-term. And right now it looks like they MIGHT lose Carr. So I’d say they are still doing a pretty good job of trying to lock up their own players. You can’t keep everyone and you can’t just say you are going to sign a guy. The numbers have to make sense.
Also, while I’d prefer if they are able to sign Bowe and then tag and trade Carr, I wouldn’t necessarily call it a loss if they can’t. They could conceivably use the money saved to go get another impact FA. It’s probably best if everyone (not saying you, but everyone overreacting here to one move) stops spouting off about this one move and waits to see what else this offseason brings.
polodude017 - February 20, 2012
I could be wrong, but I thought I saw something that said Routt wouldn't count when it came to comp picks.
Since he was a cut and not a true FA. Is that right?
polodude017 - February 20, 2012
Not sure but I take that as....
Won’t count for the Raiders since they cut him.
HIV 2 Elway - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Bad move.
Routt is overrated. This signals the end of Brandon Carr in KC, and there is no doubt that he is a much stronger player than Routt. Our CBs were a strength last year, and we just got weaker there.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
My feeling as well.
Scott B. - February 20, 2012
Agreed
We also have Arenas & Daniels backing up these guys, and they aren’t great but did okay. It would not appear to me Routt is here for depth/competition at that price. We just traded down in terms of quality.
Spiderwomn69 - February 20, 2012
No doubt? At all?
Routt was an excellent #2 and a poor #1. Carr was an excellent #2 and we’ve never seen him as a #1.
Plus, let’s be honest. Routt’s going to be playing for a much better defensive coordinator this year.
MtHammer - February 20, 2012
He had a much better situation as a #2.
Nnamdi to shut down half the field, so Routt was able to work double-teams. The raider pass rush was also much better in 2010 than it was in 2011.
If he was that good, the raiders would’ve figured out something instead of just cutting his ass.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
I don't know, his contract was pretty awful and the Raiders are in worse cap trouble than pretty much any other team in the league.
MtHammer - February 20, 2012
Right, but they would have tried to re-work it.
Fix the deal so he gets his money but helps the team with the cap. You do that kind of thing if the player is really worth it. The raiders didn’t even try to keep him on board.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
So is your contention that he wasn't even worthy of being on their roster, or that he wasn't worthy of being a #1?
Because if it’s the latter then we agree, but that’s irrelevant to how he’ll perform in Romeo’s defense across from Flowers. If it’s the former than you’re being ridiculous. Even last year Route was better than any corner the Raiders currently have on their roster.
MtHammer - February 20, 2012
I don't think he was worthy of several things:
1. Being their #1 CB
2. The ridiculous contract he got.
3. Trying to restructure a terrible contract.
The telltale sign for me is that there don’t seem to be too many raider fans that are upset with losing him (at least on ESPN).
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
Well if the Raider fans on ESPN don't want him, I'm sold.
Those guys are widely regarded for being the best football minds in a generation.
But seriously. Playing in a better defensive system, with an actual #1 corner in Flowers across from him, there’s absolutely no reason to believe that Routt won’t be substantially better for us this year than he was last year. The circumstances are completely different and a lot more favorable.
MtHammer - February 20, 2012
I really do hope you're right.
I just don’t think we’re going to end up happy with this move.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
But you want us to overpay for Carr...
You want us to pay two #1 type money for our CB’s correct? Chiefs are better off tag/trading Carr and re-signing Bowe. The Chiefs end up with a good #2 in Routt and still have their #1 CB in Flowers.
ChiefMojo - February 20, 2012
I don't think Routt is a good #2.
I think he got over-hyped during a year where the raider front 7 dominated opponents and racked up 47 sacks.
I think he got over-hyped when he was able to get constant help over the top because Nnamdi took away half the field.
I think he got over-hyped because al davis had to justify letting Nnamdi walk.
citadelchief - February 20, 2012
So...
We should downgrade the talent of more positions…because they’ll be playing for a better DC?
Maybe that is the plan. You might be on to something.
Scott B. - February 20, 2012
Even if
the Chiefs couldn’t trade him after the franchise tag, it would be great to have Carr stay in KC. And Chiefs have enough money to go with this plan, so an extra 2nd could get the Chiefs a very talented player. Especially if Trent Richardson somehow falls to KC, KC can stockpile even more picks by asking for a kings ransom
andrew33 - February 20, 2012
If man-to-man cover corners were the idea behind this
Does that mean Berry could be blitzing more often now that we have a SOLB that can drop into coverage and two guys on their own in man-to-man on the outside?
BJ Kissel - February 20, 2012
What I don't get it
is why we locked up Flowers over Carr. If it was Flowers walking I’d be fine with it, he’s undersized and he’s better at zone than man coverage. We are at risk of losing our best cover corner now, how is this the idea behind this?
KansasCityShuffle - February 20, 2012
gotta be a scheme thing, maybe softer on Flowers side where blitz is coming, oppo of Hali?
Flowers tackling ability would have been a blow to this defense. All the talk is about coverage (and righfully so) but Flowers is the best tackling corner in the NFL. Easy to scheme around that if he’s going to be the one playing soft. We know he can get burnt in man-to-man from time to time.
BJ Kissel - February 20, 2012
Run defense
Solid point
KansasCityShuffle - February 20, 2012
I think that was probably the deciding factor
Both Carr and Flowers have different strengths/weaknesses in coverage, and it’s at least debatable who is better. There’s no debate as to Flowers’ superiority against the run.
MNchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
Flowers had a few poor moments this season...
but I always thought he was a better man cover guy than Carr. Carr looked a lot better this year than in years past, but I thought he was always more of a zone guy. I also remember Flowers matching up with the best receiver most of the time. Are people really ranking Carr ahead of Flowers now?
polodude017 - February 20, 2012
Flowers wasn't healthy last year.
When healthy, Flowers is a beast. But Carr is definitely closing the gap.
Enite - February 20, 2012
Right.
I don’t think one year is a good indicator though. Carr has had his struggles in the past as well. Not all players develop on a straight line kind of pattern.
polodude017 - February 20, 2012
I thought Carr had actually become better in
man, now that he gets his head around
CarolinaChief - February 20, 2012
Wouldn't we be more likely to see both Hali and Houston rushing on the same play more often?
polodude017 - February 20, 2012
No one wants to play in KC.
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
The wrong 53
CarolinaChief - February 20, 2012
RAC will bring solid defensive free agents
husker_doc - February 20, 2012
If we can tag and trade Carr
I’ll learn to live with it.
CarolinaChief - February 20, 2012
Couldn't have summed it up better
KansasCityShuffle - February 20, 2012
Lots of assumptions
People assuming Carr is gone. People assuming Bowe will get tagged. Tough to assume anything when talking about Pioli.
ExRoyalsFan - February 20, 2012
Why would we pay this much for Routt
If not expecting to let Carr go? Does anyone think Routt with a choice signed to be depth? Compete for the #2 spot? That doesn’t make any sense. Nor does bringing in lesser players and letting your home grown guys walk when you didn’t have to.
Spiderwomn69 - February 20, 2012
Do YOU know how Carr's contract negotiations are going?
You don’t know if we needed to let him go or not. Let’s not jump to conclusions like that.
CapnCribbs - February 20, 2012
You're right I don't know
but this contract speaks volumes. If not discussing what I think this mean, why even have a thread on a blog about it?
Spiderwomn69 - February 20, 2012
No Im not saying don't discuss
Im just saying don’t jump to conclusions about Carr’s contract. If you don’t like the move that’s ok, a lot of people won’t, but using Carr’s contract and saying we’d rather let him go when we didn’t have to is jumping to a conclusion none of us have insight to.
CapnCribbs - February 20, 2012
Gotta love how the Chiefs are getting hammered for this on here ,
WTF do any of us know, what’s going on behind the scenes. Can we wait to bash the F.O, t osee what goes down. This could be a shitty move, or a brilliant move we don’t know YET. Personally I’m glad to see them making moves
dbakerku - February 20, 2012
Good move.
Routt is better than many people here are giving him credit for. He’s already well-acclimated with AFC West receivers. We HAD to keep Bowe IMO, and this allows us to do that. And we still have a lot of money to work with this signing period. I don’t think Pioli is done signing.
CapnCribbs - February 20, 2012
Ladies n Gents, your Kansas City CHEAPS!! Would not be surprised if Bowe is gone too, so they can avoid paying him and then replace him w a lesser, cheaper talented player.
Chiefsallday25 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Agreed.
Cheap cheap. Should have seen this coming if it was going to save Clarkie 50 cents.
Budd Jones - February 20, 2012
WOW. so original
dbakerku - February 20, 2012
Remind me again how paying a CB 6.5/season before FA opens is being cheap?
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
If this was about being cheap we could just trot Jalil Brown out across from Flowers.
MtHammer - February 20, 2012
rec'd
this cheap argument is so retired it’s not even funny
IPWT2009 - February 20, 2012
Boom
and Greened.
cheapham - February 20, 2012
Logic.
bossmanham - February 20, 2012
We do have Breaston & Baldwin
That’s the point, dude. We need to have more depth and more competition everywhere so that if someone is too expensive to sign, we can still be competitive on the field. Every good team does this. The Patriots didn’t keep Asante Samuel, and I’m sure the fans weren’t very happy about that either. But hey, look, they were in the Super Bowl last year.
Vince D - February 20, 2012
I tend to agree with this mind of thinking...
I do believe that the Chiefs management learned a valuable lesson last year from the injuries. If I’m not mistaken they said they really wanted to improve the depth of this team and if we retained Carr this would be doing exactly that. I’m not convinced this contract means the end of Carr as a Chief.
DannyDavis - February 20, 2012
that can catch?
Bowe had some crucial dropsies if i remember. He also had a “show” thats still hidden in him somewhere.
Wouldnt surprise me or upset me if they let him go.
Seems pioli wants players that want to be in kc. Not a fat payday.
devself1 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
If we do re-sign Carr
I wonder if the Chiefs would consider moving Flowers to safety. Imagine Carr, Routt, and Arenas holding down the CB position with Flowers & Berry sitting back in coverage. Then Lewis can keep Berry & Flowers fresh. I remember Berry saying how tired he was after playing every single snap of the 2010 season.
Vince D - February 20, 2012
Never happening
5’9 free safety? No thanks.
KansasCityShuffle - February 20, 2012
In my opinion, it's better to be a short safety than a short CB. Less man to man.
I can turn it around on you. A 5’9 cornerback? No thanks.
Vince D - February 20, 2012
It would be more likely that the larger guy would move to safety.
It happens all the time in the NFL. Bigger guys have more trouble in coverage with wide receivers. Hence why guys like Antrel Rolle need to eventually move to safety. Obviously Carr is still pretty good in coverage, but he’s likely to age worse.
polodude017 - February 20, 2012
And BTW, Bob Sanders is 5'8
Vince D - February 20, 2012
great minds
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
Bob Sanders did pretty well
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
Lol
at anyone hinging there argument on “Bob Sanders”. Really?
KansasCityShuffle - February 20, 2012
Earl Thomas is 5' 10"
So is Troy P.
Ed Reed and Eric Weddle are both under 6’ as well.
Are those names more satisfying?
MNchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
Hey, stop it with facts
you’re ruining his opinion
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
More likely that you would see Flowers in the slot and Javy as the hybrid guy taking on TEs etc
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
With the direction the NFL has gone
I don’t think that’d be the worst thing.
MNchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
move our best corner to a position where we are already set
logic. This comment has none
IPWT2009 - February 20, 2012
Not bad...
I would prefer Carr over Routt but this move tells me that Pioli and the Chiefs feel that Carr is going to command too much money on the market; so they struck a deal with their Plan B and Routt is a quality strating CB in the league. I think Carr is better, I like his size. I love that he was a 5th rd pick that prospered here and he and Flowers seemed to complement each other very well. However, if he is looking at $10-11 per and we get Routt for $6-7 per I can live with it.
Now take the checkbook out and get Bowe done and bring Nicks here when the clock strikes 12:00 and get him done too.
Mike Manuch - February 20, 2012
Nice, i really like this move,
Its showing that Clark is going to spend money. Now we should sign Bowe 5 yr 55 mil and franchise Carr. Its will be nice to run out there with 3 great CB possibly 4 with Arenas.
Jeremy Daniel - February 20, 2012
We can't sign ALL homegrown talent people.
Sometimes you have to let some go. Just part of the business.
dbakerku - February 20, 2012
Jesus people.
Didn’t know this was a message board full of CEOs with inside information as to how contract negotiations are going between teams and players. None of us know how negotiations were going between the Chiefs and Carr, and we STILL don’t. Seriously, relax. This isn’t just a cheap move, Routt is no slouch…
CapnCribbs - February 20, 2012
Pretty sure you're wrong.
From what I’ve been able to gather, people around here know exactly what’s going on behind the scenes. They know exactly how much Carr is asking for, and how much Pioli is willing to give him. Lucky us.
Tarkus - February 20, 2012
Hey, I used the conditional if in my statement!
;-)
bossmanham - February 20, 2012
This was a great move for several reasons.
First, we can’t afford to wait and see. As Chiefs fans, we have gotten used to the wait and see in free agency. We had to get a good player for our number 2 CB spot and Routt will fit nicely there. No he isn’t as good as Carr, but he still gives us one of the top secondaries in the NFL. If we would have waited and not gotten Carr signed, we would have missed on Routt and possibly, Rogers, and Finnigan. Second, we now have a clear choice in who we franchise. Bowe will be a Chief. Pioli has shown that he will pay our own. Remember, we franchised Tamba and then worked out a long term deal. I see the same happening here. Third, it shows we will be aggressive i free agency this year. We got the best guy on the market RIGHT NOW. He signed with us instead of 3 other teams. That says something. It says that players are looking at Kansas City as a quality team and want to go there. We didn’t have to settle because of this. Hopefully this is sign of things to come this off-season. Carl Nicks, anyone?
chiefs fan 13 - February 20, 2012
No no
don’t you know that coaches and players don’t want to come here? I read it on Arrowhead Pride.
Steve_in_RI - February 20, 2012
For everyone who says that Carr is hands down better than Routt and use PFF as a guidline
PFF graded Routt as the 19th best corner last year and Carr at 21st.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3183/stanford-routt
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
I HONESTLY see them as near equals.
Can’t understand how everyone somehow sees this as a major downgrade. And THAT’S assuming we don’t do something with Carr.
CapnCribbs - February 20, 2012
its because routt had a horrid season last year as a #1
carr hasn’t had anything like that to compare…
worc - February 20, 2012
Because Carr has never been a #1
RememberDelaney37 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Whoops
RememberDelaney37 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Oh no...
An objective source agrees with Pioli?
How could this be!?
bossmanham - February 20, 2012
Fact: People only agree with PFF when it backs up their previously held opinions
MNchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
Fact: if stats support opinion, "look at the stats"
If they don’t: “stats don’t tell the whole story”
RememberDelaney37 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Amen brother
(not that I’m innocent of that type of stuff…)
MNchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
let's play a game here.
Routt signed with the Bengals, I would love to see 80% of your comments that hate this move. It would probably be Damn Chiefs never sign anybody, if Carr walks, they had a chance to grab Routt and didn’t. This F.O is so Cheap, and ridiculous, They should have just gave Carr th 12 mil. he’s making. LOL
dbakerku - February 20, 2012
We would have had 8 fanshots and at least 3 fanposts saying that exact thing
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
We still might
Home sweet home.
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
EXACTLY.
Spot on.
CapnCribbs - February 20, 2012
I would have been thrilled to see Routt sign somewhere. He is overrated, even when he was cut, and it’s a cheapskate move.
Topchief1 - February 20, 2012
AWESOME!!!
Skrappy - February 20, 2012
I love how everyone acts
as though they know the real deal, and Pioli and co. are just cheap bastards who don’t care about anything. It’s likely that nobody in this thread has a clue (including me) as to what went on behind the scenes. If this move was made, it was made for a reason and we got a good CB. On to the next move.
Signed,
A Brandon Carr fan
Steve_in_RI - February 20, 2012
+26
Lets let the whole thing playout before we knee jerk too hard. Still alot of offseason left before the big picture is complete.
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
Even though I'm concerned with this Signing...
Ill be in full support if we lock down Bowe long term and then tag/trade Bowe. I agree it’s too early to know for sure, but you can’t blame me for being skeptical that that won’t happen.
kcsno56 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Sorry...
Tag and trade Carr, not Bowe, obvs.
kcsno56 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Bowe's head will be swimming
he won’t know where to go
tomachop - February 20, 2012
knew that, just a little funny
tomachop - February 20, 2012
Ball is in Bowe's court now
Re-sign or be tagged
RememberDelaney37 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
I think he'll sign
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
Great leverage for the Chiefs in the Bowe negotiations.
Still doesn’t mean that Carr isn’t franchised though because the FA WR market is still just as good now as it was an hour ago.
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
I have to think they would want Bowe over any other FA receiver
Colston is the only comparable receiver possibly hitting the market, and I doubt we would be his #1 destination, and he is much more injury-prone than Bowe
RememberDelaney37 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
yup, funny how Pioli gained leverage in so many ways by signing a No. 2 corner to a great deal
they could give Bowe a deadline (before tagging ends) to get his deal done so they can still tag Carr.
Genious (if it’s the plan)
BJ Kissel - February 20, 2012
Yepper
And even with Carr they can keep him, trade him, package him with someone else. They can even let him walk and set his value and match any offer and still have a backup plan thats costing them 6M$ total.
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
Only Guaranteed 4 Million
I can definitely live with this, if he sucks we’re not losing out on much and can try to find another guy next year.
ChiefWarPaint - February 20, 2012
And this too.
Or we might tag Carr for a year and not have to find another guy? Its not like the money isn’t there.
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
If we tag Carr
We’re trading him, can’t see us tying that much money into the 2ndary, let alone just the CB position tbh.
I know we have the money, but we do have other needs.
ChiefWarPaint - February 20, 2012
It is only for one year though.
I agree that he likely gets traded if tagged but its definitely not outside the realm of possiblities that you keep Carr in case Routt doesn’t work out.
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
Its just that's A LOT of money
It would be awesome if we kept them but again, that’s some moula and we’re not exactly known for throwing that around.
ChiefWarPaint - February 20, 2012
would someone help me understand how we can sign this guy
before free agency even started? I dont get it. And im a little dissapointed it wasnt carr to be honest.
dudeustupid - February 20, 2012
He was under contract and the Raiders cut him outright
So he was free to speak to and sign with any team.
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
Great move, creates options
Option 1: Re-sign Carr and draft Allen in the 4th. Have the most lock-down secondary in the league WITH depth at nearly every position. Downside, lots of cap space eaten up by one position group.
Option 2: Tag and trade Carr for a 2nd rounder. the Chiefs flipped a fifth rounder for a second and may be able to draft Foles at QB AND Orson Charles at TE in the 2nd round this year. Defense stays similar to last year, but offense improves and gives us a chance to develop a QB with better tools than Cassel.
Option 3: Let Carr walk and hope for a 3rd round compensatory pick. Draft Cousins at QB with the pick.
Chiefs4Life - February 20, 2012
After the combine we might need the 2nd rounder in option 2 to take Allen.
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
Could we have Carr abd Routt as our outside corners
And make Flowers the slot corner guy? Just a thought, I think he would excel at that too. It would tie up a lot of money in the secondary though
nateforchiefs - February 20, 2012
That's what I've been thinking in a hypothetic 3 super corner scenario
I think Flowers could be like what Woodson is for the Packers.
ChiefWarPaint - February 20, 2012
Those three guys could Man up with any 3 wide receiver set in the NFL.
Then stack the box to close down the run. Plus Flowers is great at run defense.
nateforchiefs - February 20, 2012
Yep Flowers Run Defense is what clinches it
Puts him closer to the action when he’s in the slot, and facing slot guys his height wouldn’t be a detriment.
Although I’m thinking he’s only kicked down when they play a slot guy to begin with.
ChiefWarPaint - February 20, 2012
Bills fan here with a couple questions.
Do you guys have the cap space to sign both Bowe and Carr? Or if you re-sign Bowe before FA do you guys have enough space to tag Carr?
NordicBillsfan - February 20, 2012
Yes and yes, but then I think we'd be ignoring some other needs.
CapnCribbs - February 20, 2012
Yes...
we have enough space to sign both of them and still have enough to make a play for a Manning or another high profile FA. Bowe will get tagged without a doubt in my opinion.
Crown Chief - February 20, 2012
Unless this forces his hand in negotiations.
bossmanham - February 20, 2012
Yes on all of those.
bossmanham - February 20, 2012
Before this deal we had 37 million in space.
So we have 30million left, more than enough space to sign them both it we want.
nateforchiefs - February 20, 2012
Depending who you believe about our cap
We have room to still sign Bowe and Carr and could have upwards of 20+M left.
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
ESPN reports that we...
Have 62 million in cap space available this year. It is conceivable that we can still sign both of them. You almost need 3 starting CBs now days. Look at the Packers and what the Eagles did last year.
chiefs fan 13 - February 20, 2012
We reportedly have more cap space than any other team.
But I wouldn’t expect Carr to play for the Chiefs next year. If we tag him it’ll be to trade him.
MtHammer - February 20, 2012
Agreed, I can't see them sinking that much money into the secondary.
polodude017 - February 20, 2012
We get a new QB?!
ArrowDread - February 20, 2012
Well if we keep Carr Routt and Flowers
We could line up Arenas at QB and run wildcat the entire game.
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
Franchise Carr, Trade him and dorsey to Rams plus our 1st for #2 pick.. We draft RG3!
Jeremy Daniel - February 20, 2012
I don't know about this exact scenario.
But if they can pick up an extra pick for Carr in a trade, some type of trade makes more sense.
polodude017 - February 20, 2012
I have a feeling there will b a update on Carr some time today.
nfamous209 - February 20, 2012
Huh?
ExRoyalsFan - February 20, 2012
If Carr is asking for $10 million
that is the same as Naamdi Asomugha in 2011. Not worth that, no matter how much you like Carr.
AnkenyChiefsFan - February 20, 2012
Has this been posted yet?
"We are excited that we were able to come to terms with Stanford," General Manager Scott Pioli said. "He is a talented player, and as we have said in the past, we are always looking to add competition at every position year-round. Stanford’s experience and level of play will make him a solid addition to our defense."
Is this eluding to keeping Carr?
Brad-KC - February 20, 2012
I mentioned this idea up above...
But I do think it is very possible. The Chiefs have been absolutely pushing depth because of all the injuries that occurred last year. I wouldn’t be shocked if the Chiefs are still trying to work out a deal with Carr. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if they weren’t either.
DannyDavis - February 20, 2012
You're like 25 minutes late this time ;)
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
noooooooooooooo
Brad-KC - February 20, 2012
Not even 3G?
Tarkus - February 20, 2012
*alluding
;-)
bossmanham - February 20, 2012
Pretty sure they've said this exact same thing with every player they have signed/drafted.
I wouldn’t read anything into it.
polodude017 - February 20, 2012
Buying low and selling high
One year ago, Routt would have cost a lot more money, plus a first and third. If we franchise Carr, we can move him while his value is very high, or if we prefer, have 3 good cornerbacks when most teams don’t have 2.
If it’s just Carr vs. Routt in a vacuum, I’d rather have Carr. But if it’s both of them vs. one of them, or Routt + money + draft picks (from a trade) vs. Carr, then it’s Routt in a rout.
Offense of the 70s - February 20, 2012
Bingo!
It’s all about value.
Tarkus - February 20, 2012
I don't know enough about Routt to judge him against Carr in tems of play.
But you rationale makes a lot of sense. Hopefully they are able to sign Bowe so the tag can be used on Carr. That would be great to save some dough and pick up another pick as you said.
polodude017 - February 20, 2012
With all this cap room now...
Why not front load Routt’s contract?
Don’t bother answering, there isn’t a good one. Unless we end up using all of this years cap, which isn’t happening.
kcsno56 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
So we can front load a better free agent's contract?
(how’s that for an answer)
Brad-KC - February 20, 2012
Depends on how much cap space we have.
There’s no way we could use up 64 million, but you might be surprised how quickly 37 disappears.
MtHammer - February 20, 2012
Wait...we 'couldn't' use up all the cap space
Yet we just signed the inferior CB to save $?
We could’ve front-loaded Carr’s deal too. Or Bowe’s…
kcsno56 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
who says we wont?
Brad-KC - February 20, 2012
I hope we will
We didn’t do that with Our other FA’s (Hali, Charles, Flowers) though so I doubt it.
kcsno56 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
That's a good question
I know bonuses are pro-rated to spread out over the time of the contract, but is a team allowed to choose how much counts against the cap in year one and how much is pro-rated?
MNchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
bye bye, carr
i hope u struggle whereever u\ go. u greedy
michaelaglover - February 20, 2012
I don't think it's fair for people to keep saying Carr is better than Routt
Try putting Carr on that team and see how he performs
LookListenLearn - February 20, 2012 via mobile
This sucks, next we are going to sign Braylon Edwards and let Bowe walk as well
If this is their being “active in the free agency market”, we are going downhill
tomachop - February 20, 2012
We've let Carr walk?
Brad-KC - February 20, 2012
not officially
tomachop - February 20, 2012
Pioli is about to do something
CARRAZY!
Brad-KC - February 20, 2012
Some people are saying he just did.
Tarkus - February 20, 2012
like what
tomachop - February 20, 2012
getting rid of our best FA player?
tomachop - February 20, 2012
We got rid of Bowe?
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
We got rid of anyone?
GenericBrand - February 20, 2012
Apparently we're cleaning house
RamX21 - February 20, 2012
Didn't you hear?
We signed Routt and cut the entire secondary.
nateforchiefs - February 20, 2012
You really think Carr is going to be here next year?
If you do, I’ve got some property in New Orleans I’d like to sell ya
tomachop - February 20, 2012
Never said that.
I just think everyone here is overreacting to signing Routt. Doesn’t mean we are letting Carr walk. I imagine instead a tag and trade and a re-signing of Bowe. Or we could keep Carr and have an awesome 3 corner starting secondary.
nateforchiefs - February 20, 2012
fair enough
I think alot of these opinions are knee jerk reactions, I’m guilty. Just really wanted to keep Carr.
Hell, they might tag and trade him and do alot of good for the team as a whole. Who knows
tomachop - February 20, 2012
If we could tag and trade and get a 1st that would be awesome.
More likely to get a 2nd, but eithe way its a net gain with that scenario.
nateforchiefs - February 20, 2012
Carr is gone, tagged and packing his bags
let the bidding war begin!
tomachop - February 20, 2012
SOOO
Do the rams even need a CB bad enough to want a trade involving carr?
MaTTDoGG12 - February 20, 2012
The Rams have needs almost everywhere
And Carr is a superior to either of their CBs
MNchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
send Carr, Dorsey, a1st and 2nd for RG3?
hmmmm
tomachop - February 20, 2012
That would be sublime
MNchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
Good move.
This is a good move by the Chiefs. I know some may be skeptical, but we saved over $8 mil by signing routt compared to what Carr is asking for basically the same player. It has been proven that Routt is a better #2 rather than a #1, when he had namdi on the other side of him, he was a very good player. The jury is still out on Carr on whether or not he can be a #1 corner, but for the Chiefs this was the right move. Carr is asking way to much for being a 1b-2 corner matched with Flowers.
kylew33 - February 20, 2012
As long as we get value out of Carr
I’m more than okay with this signing. Now if they could just bring in that other Raider FA named Michael Bush I’d be a pretty happy guy!
shotty - February 20, 2012
Soliai, Bush, and a quality TE
get the rest in the draft
tomachop - February 20, 2012
I'm on board with that...
Would be even more excited if we could pick up Grubbs or Nicks…then we could go OT in the 1st, IMHO our greatest PON…
AnkenyChiefsFan - February 20, 2012
Perhaps RAC is trying to bring more players with experience against our Offense
Routt might be a reliable source to convince KC leadership that Cassel is the key weak link in the offense (after RT anyway) since he gameplanned against KC twice a year… So ultimately this move is a logical step in improving our QB situation in the draft.
Plus it saves us money that can be spent on another QB if Carr isn’t signed.
McG_AF - February 20, 2012
one backwards way of thinking about it
but if someone this moves gets us a new QB im completely ok with it.
RomeosBBC - February 20, 2012
Don't we usually point to overpaid Raiders & laugh?...
Are we not guilty of the same thing if we let Carr get “Crazy Money” just because he’s “Home Grown” ?…Yes it seems like double talk to preach retention & then sign a player @ the same position w/ a comparable skill set …But there’s a Business decision to be made here …& we just stacked the deck in Our Favor…
KCChef - February 20, 2012
Can someone tell me a little more about Routt or link me to a scouting report?
I’d like to know a little more about him before I make a judgement on this.
-How is he in man coverage?
-How is he in zone coverage?
-How is he one-on-one?
-How is he against the run?
-How are his ball skills?
-How is he in bump and run?
-Does he have the top end speed to stay with most receivers?
Thanks.
polodude017 - February 20, 2012
Great in man
Horrible in zone
Good as an outside corner
Okay against the run
Ball Skills are below average
Excellent in bump and run
He ran a 4.27 40 so I say yes.
ChiefWarPaint - February 20, 2012
Not that I don't believe you.
But do you have any source for any of that info? I’ve seen most of this bantered around here, I’m looking for it from someone with a little more cred.
polodude017 - February 20, 2012
Approve
It’s obvioud Carr’s intention is test the open market and sell himself to the highest bidder. Getting a quality number 2 CB like Routt is a good consolation prize
trentchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
Plus we can tag and trade Carr if Bowe is locked up long term
Very smart signing
trentchiefsfan - February 20, 2012
I like the move, but it creates more questions than answers.
I really hope that we resign Carr. The aspect of Carr that I rarely see discussed is his year to year improvement. If Carr continues to improve at the same rate, he will be a top 5 corner in a year or 2. I really like that about him. Maybe Romeo is ready to implement some of those exotic nickel formations the used to run in NE. If not, what about Arenas? I actually think Arenas would probably be better than Routt this year. But, if Routt gets the same coaching that Carr has been getting, he could also be an awesome corner.
How old is Routt?
Enite - February 20, 2012
somebody said
he will be 29 at the season opener
swish7209 - February 20, 2012
Another reason for me to want Carr locked up.
Enite - February 20, 2012
You can't
Evaluate a move like this right after the move. The only thing you can really argue is whether Routt is and adequate #2.
This is a part of a larger off season plan, but we don’t know what the plan is. Routt certainly does get them some freedom down the line at corner, abeit at a slight positional downgrade, and probably saves them some money, but what really matters is where we go from here.
In scenario #1 we sign Bowe and franchise Carr. We have the money to keep all three if he cannot be traded, but would likely try and trade him for a draft pick.
In scenario #2, We are unable to sign Bowe and must use the tag on him, letting Carr walk.
In Scenario #3, We sign Bowe and still choose to let Carr walk, if we are unable to work out a trade in advance of tagging him and are afraid that we could not trade him after tagging him.
In scenario #2 or #3, compensation picks have been mentioned, but NFL comp picks are given out because you lost more in free agency than signed, which would mean that in order for the Chiefs to get one, they have to be fairly inactive in free agency. That would make this (Particularly in scenario #3) a cost cutting move, and mean the Chiefs will once again have an extremely low salary while they still can. (Before the salary floor kicks in in 2013)
I think we would much rather the Chiefs were active in the free agent market this year, and hope we don’t have any compensatory picks. Either that or we spend on players who, like Routt, are cut by teams shedding salary.
Scenario #1 is obviously preferred. We either have the NFL’s best third corner, or a pretty good extra draft pick in a trade, likely a 2nd rounder.
We all have to wait until at least March to see if the Chiefs are going to be all in this year, or whether they are still placing more importance on saving money than winning.
KHAZAD - February 20, 2012
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