One of the top criticisms following the Kansas City Chiefs move to sign Stanford Routt has been that the former Oakland Raiders cornerback had a ton of penalties last year -- 17. He lead the league in that regard (actually Brandon Browner had 19 but three were declined) so that's definitely a concern.
Chiefs GM Scott Pioli acknowledged the penalties in an interview on 810 WHB's Border Patrol this morning and noted that the Raiders had a reputation around the league for penalties. Perhaps Routt's penalties were at least partially due to that.
That's something Routt's former position coach, Kevin Ross, seemed to agree with.
"If you watched the Oakland Raiders, we were the most penalized team in the league," Ross said on 610 Sports with Nick Wright. "A lot of times, those penalties were not actually penalties. When we reported them back to the league in New York, we send those penalties in, and half the time those came back and they weren't penalties. The fact that he's changing teams, that should go down."
And Routt himself agreed with that as in an interview with Doug Farrar of Yahoo! Sports.
"Every Monday, the coaches would get a report back from the league on which team penalties were actually verifiable and correct, and which ones seemed suspect," Routt said. "And according to those sheets, about half the penalties I got were deemed not penalties."
He had nine in a three week stretch late in the season. So, a problem? Maybe. But maybe not as big of a problem as we once thought.
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if that's true
sounds like NFL needs to hire some new refs and fire some old ones.
Nicoloco - February 21, 2012
right...
Akr_Baby - February 21, 2012
No, Raiders deserve all that crap for being Raiders.
Brsrkr - February 21, 2012
^This is a good way to look at it IMHO
Chiefs08Matt - February 21, 2012 via mobile
I basically said what Hammer said, but much more efficiently.
Brsrkr - February 21, 2012
Who wants to read all that well thought out gobbledygook anyways?
Not me sir, not me…
Chiefs08Matt - February 21, 2012 via mobile
if it were any other team, i'd feel bad
but the raiders deserve every shitty call they get
shaytron - February 21, 2012
I think that the perception of the Raiders has very probably resulted in them getting some calls that they wouldn't have gotten otherwise. But that's not the only reason that they always seem to lead the league in penalties.
Let’s not forget that that perception was earned over many years of hard work by Al Davis and company. Al Davis ran, and honestly preferred to have, a physical, undisciplined team that frequently relished taking a few penalties in exchange for the opportunity to intimidate the opponent.
So yeah, the Raiders were probably hurt by their reputation for committing a lot of penalties. But they also committed a lot of penalties. We’ll see if that changes under Reggie McKenzie Dennis Allen, but for now there’s a reason for their rep.
Also, fuck the Raiders.
MtHammer - February 21, 2012
Yes to all of this.
Especially the last bit.
TRSChief - February 21, 2012
yep. they earned the penalties with how they act. aaron curry joins them and it was like some sort of thug came out
all of a sudden he likes cheap shots, talks non stop bs, etc.
the raider effect
SDChief - February 21, 2012
To be fair
Curry was talking stuff while he getting ran over in Seattle
KingChief - February 21, 2012
Nothing better than a guy who doesn't let his lack of ability get in the way of his trash talk.
u2nspenserfan - February 21, 2012
I think Routt is probably more penalty prone than say, Flowers.
But moving from the Raiders to the Chiefs; playing for, let’s be honest, a much better defensive coordinator; and not putting him alone on an island with the other teams best corner all day should help lower that number pretty substantially.
MtHammer - February 21, 2012
sounds like more raider conspiracy theories and paranoia to me
Wow, Flowers had 19! ?
saints_chiefsfan1979 - February 21, 2012
Browner.
What, do all Brandon’s look alike to you?
Brsrkr - February 21, 2012
yea thats nameism... you namist
Akr_Baby - February 21, 2012
He's a raving anti nameite
BeijingKCfan - February 21, 2012
I'm calling the ANLU
(American Naming Liberties Union)
TRSChief - February 21, 2012
oh... and I thought that was a sex position
Akr_Baby - February 21, 2012
It can be.
TRSChief - February 21, 2012
I just figured u switched 2 letters
and had an accent so u pronounce it ANUL, LoL
Akr_Baby - February 21, 2012
Well it was just bad wordplay on the ACLU...
Awww dammit, I had to go and explain it.
TRSChief - February 21, 2012
LoL
Akr_Baby - February 21, 2012
We are digressing quickly, folks
Lets focus on the task at hand here: F*** the Raiders.
Nick Britt - February 21, 2012
oops guess I misread that my bad
saints_chiefsfan1979 - February 21, 2012
He'll make a fine #3
I think it’s really premature to paint his signing as confirmation of Carr leaving. 3 Quality DB’s is the new standard for a pass happy league,
Scythian - February 21, 2012
its premature to paint him as a fine #3 as well...
we dont kno what will happen to Carr either way, or how well Routt will play in our system under RAC and Thomas.
Akr_Baby - February 21, 2012
I wonder if Romeo's depth chart will mean more than Haley's.
Brsrkr - February 21, 2012
Considering how fast
he addressed the QB situation and then later the DC/playcalling situation, I think it’s safe to say that most of the mind games will be a thing of the past.
Tarkus - February 21, 2012
Not playing the ming games will do a lot for some of those guys confidence
KingChief - February 21, 2012
ming=mind
KingChief - February 21, 2012
What I was thinking during Packers week.
Instead of acting all afraid, and trying to keep the QB situation secret until game time, he came right out and said Orton was his starter and they played them straight up, instead of playing scared. I would imagine players respond better to confidence than the coach basically saying if they don’t do a bunch off the wall mind games, they have no chance.
Tarkus - February 21, 2012
Lesson directly learned from his Quinn/Anderson fiasco.
I have to shake my head when people talk like they expect him to be the exact same coach he was in Cleveland.
Brsrkr - February 21, 2012
Everyone who coaches or plays for the Browns should get a pass
A lot of those guys are magically better once they leave that organization
KingChief - February 21, 2012
A lot of his problem with penalties last year was due to being overmatched all the time.
As Hammer says a couple comments up, he was on an island with the best reciever on the field. Here, he will split those recievers with Flowers and also get to share in the help from safeties, which he never got last year. For the money we payed, I think Routt will be a great fit.
nmchief - February 21, 2012
Interesting
I didn’t realize he’s spent 5 of his 7 years playing nickel CB.
GenericBrand - February 21, 2012
Couple =/= 5
Tarkus - February 21, 2012
Well he doesn't talk about him playing the sideline until 2010.
GenericBrand - February 21, 2012
A #3!
This is why he would make a great 3rd CB for us. Move Javier over to Special Teams only with maybe a couple offensive snaps. He did look good running that wildcat formation. (Even if only for 1 play)
Nick_Keith - February 21, 2012
Keep hyping this.
It’s most likely not happening.
polodude017 - February 21, 2012
He ran it twice
once for the TD against Oakland, and once in the punt formation.
ForeverRanger91 - February 21, 2012
All the coaches have to say is don't look for a flag after the play
Just doing that would cut the penalties in half. I noticed a lot of times that when a DB looks to see if a flag was thrown that would draw a flag. If your guilty don’t look
ArrowheadHunter - February 21, 2012
Yup. Same thing in basketball.
The guy you’re guarding goes up for the shot, if there’s contact and you back away from him with both hands up in the air and that tell-tale “I didn’t do it!” look – there’s going to be free throws.
If you just go up, do your duty, slam ‘em on the body and then go for the rebound – all’s good in the hood.
TRSChief - February 21, 2012
Unless you are Kobe or LeBron
KingChief - February 21, 2012
Heh no kidding.
The LeBron love from officials kills me. The guy is strong as hell, and I see a lot of little light contact fouls get called just because.
I don’t really like LBJ, but I won’t really blame that one on him. NBA officials sometimes are real headscratchers.
TRSChief - February 21, 2012
Fact: MJ in his "scoring" prime would score 50 a game in today's league
MNchiefsfan - February 21, 2012
He could probably break Wilt's record too
KingChief - February 21, 2012
I dunno man.
That’s a lot of women.
TRSChief - February 21, 2012
Lol, i meant the 100 point game record
KingChief - February 21, 2012
I wouldn't be surprised if they start using the Shaq rule with him in the next couple years
if it’s not that hard of a foul they won’t really call it.
KingChief - February 21, 2012
Only headscratchers if you assume Donaghy was a lone gunman.
Brsrkr - February 21, 2012
Triple Rec'd (if I only could)
You still see games where one team starts to run away with it and all the sudden every call goes against them. If I were a coach, I’d turn to the refs and say “what’s the matter, point spread too high?” I’d get ejected, but honestly I don’t know how coaches and players in the NBA bite their tongues after some games.
u2nspenserfan - February 21, 2012
They aren't allowed to talk back anymore or they will get a technical
KingChief - February 21, 2012
It baffles me why someone hasn't hired a private investigator to audit some bank accounts.
Brsrkr - February 21, 2012
After they got busted a few years ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if these guys had bank accounts under an alias that can’t be traced back to them
KingChief - February 21, 2012
Oh, I don't doubt they have their friends make bets for them.
Just seems like some dedicated PI work could worm that out. I know if I was a rich player or coach who got jobbed regularly, I’d shell out six digits to get that crap brought out into the open.
Brsrkr - February 21, 2012
You don't think the NBA has private investigators?
Tarkus - February 21, 2012
What? Why would they crap on their own reputation?!
Brsrkr - February 21, 2012
Better to find out internally
than to learn through the press, and possibly learn too late to save your league.
Tarkus - February 21, 2012
That's why I said "brought out into the open."
I’m sure Stern does some internal policing. But it’s obviously not getting rid of the problem. And that opens up the argument that the crap that’s going on is defacto sanctioned by the league. If I was a player or coach, I’d be pissed enough to spend some of my own money and write some Bernstein wannabe’s story for him.
Brsrkr - February 21, 2012
Routt not being a Raider anymore will probably cut his penalty rate in half
KingChief - February 21, 2012
Pioli still thinks Cassel can be "fixed" too.
Scott B. - February 21, 2012
he can...
Its called replacement parts.
Akr_Baby - February 21, 2012
by parts you mean
RGIII !!!!!!!
ArrowheadHunter - February 21, 2012
yea I think that was the part number... let me check
Akr_Baby - February 21, 2012
I have two words to say about the penalties:
Emmitt and Romeo. Emmitt will coach Routt up and if they don’t stop, Romeo will sit his ass down. End of story.
G.L. - February 21, 2012
Problem solved already...
Akr_Baby - February 21, 2012
That didn't take long.
Now if he can just solve the QB situation…
Tarkus - February 21, 2012
I can solve the quarterback problem.
Steve Martin used to do a shtick called “How to be a Millionaire.” Then he would say, “First get yourself a million dollars.” So, without further adieu………………( the solution to our offensive problems). “First we get ourselves an elite quarterback!”
G.L. - February 21, 2012
I like it!
And yes, I remember that shtick.
Tarkus - February 21, 2012
O/T
But Is Haley afraid his phones are still tapped? I see he hasn’t called Big Ben yet ?
dbakerku - February 21, 2012
yea I posted that yesterday...
He threw em all away I think… Saw the mailman pick up a gum wrapper so now he cant mail ben a letter…
Akr_Baby - February 21, 2012
or maybe he thinks Steelers tapped his phone too?
he’s probalby looking for a pay phone
Arrowhead25 - February 21, 2012
but he will only use pay-phones while
wearing his armidillo hat.
Akr_Baby - February 21, 2012
I think he will be wearing a
tin foil hat………….lmao……….;>}
G.L. - February 21, 2012
Kevin Ross
Does anyone else think that if KR thinks he is ok he can’t be all bad? I don’t respect anything coming out of the Raider’s office but I do respect what Ross says.
KC Scout - February 21, 2012
is that THE Kevin Ross
Zulu Trader - February 21, 2012
Yes it is
KC Scout - February 21, 2012
means a whole bunch .....
to me.
Zulu Trader - February 21, 2012
Yeah, that sucks.
Hope the Chiefs can bring him back home soon.
Brsrkr - February 21, 2012
Not till Emmitt retires
I thought for sure that Rod Woodson was the DB coach in Oakland?
Looking he was the Cornerbacks coach, and Ross was the DB Coach, and they weren’t retained. Damn that sounds like some good coaches. We should snag up Ross as an asst or something.
ChiefWarPaint - February 21, 2012
Absolutely!
Brsrkr - February 21, 2012
This sounds like the whole NFL against Raiders conspiracy
not buying it. Raider fans are still mad about the tuck call.
Arrowhead25 - February 21, 2012
I hate the tuck rule
but I love that it kept the Raiders out of the SB
KingChief - February 21, 2012
And kept Gruden out of Oakland
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 21, 2012
hes a physical corner evidently, which we need with carr leaving. hes also fast, can blitz if needed
im Ok with this mostly because he doesnt count against that potential 3rd we get from carr. 3 years of routt as the 2 is not a bad thing. bit like surtain just 2 years earlier in his career.
SDChief - February 21, 2012
Raiders run man only
This could be a problem when Chief’s throw in Zones.
I know this is why Asoumgha had problems with the Eagles, he didn’t know zone coverage.
That being said- having three great corners, an awesome safety, and good rushers could add up to a lot of blitzing next year. Sounds like we just need a nose tackle…
MichaelMantastic - February 21, 2012
Draft.
G.L. - February 21, 2012
Devon Still? Dontari Poe?
G.L. - February 21, 2012
Still would be a DE in our defense
and Poe will probably be drafted by the Steelers in the back of the 1st to replace Hampton
KingChief - February 21, 2012
last year they ran more zone, which is why he struggled so much. this i had read from multiple places
SDChief - February 21, 2012
I really like Carr, and he has improved every year, but is it possible that he has hit his ceiling?
There is a reason he was a 5th round pick. And yes, going to Grand Valley State influenced that, but there is a reason he went to Grand Valley State.
If Emmitt Thomas, Crennel, and Pioli agree he is at or very near his ceiling, they may make the unpopular (but right for the team) decision.
PVChiefsfan - February 21, 2012
I think Pioli make the right call (at least at the time with the information given) more often than not.
I <3 having Pioli as GM
DivineGrace - February 21, 2012
2 > 5 when we get our trade for Draft pick(s) w/ Carr : )...
( yeah…That’s drool…)…
KCChef - February 21, 2012
Nobody handchecks more than Revis and never gets called
FrankPitts - February 21, 2012 via mobile
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