Shortly after hearing the news that the Kansas City Chiefs had signed CB Stanford Routt, the reaction by many fans was that this means the end of the Brandon Carr era in Kansas City.
That's not necessarily the case, Chiefs GM Scott Pioli told Steven St. John and Nate Bukaty on 810 WHB this morning.
"I'll say this," Pioli said, "the signing of Stanford Routt does not impact where we're at with Brandon Carr. As a matter of fact, Romeo [Crennel] and I both reached out to Brandon yesterday as this was unfolding and talked to him. I spoke personally with Brandon, and without getting into the details of that conversation, but he knows, and he's known before, he's someone we want to keep here, and he's still someone we want to keep a Chief.
"This signing doesn't eliminate the feelings that we have for Brandon and how we want to have him here. He knows that. He wants to be here. We want him here. If both sides find a deal that makes sense for one another, we'd love to have Brandon back."
"This happens every year," Pioli said, "there's a couple players, or a player or two, that are good, quality players that end up on the street and they're available prior to free agency and you have an opportunity to make a decision or not.
"Knowing where we're at with the cap situation and knowing some of the plans and things that might happen with our roster...we want to try and keep Brandon here. Nothing was done yet so we saw an opportunity with a player on a very fair contract who really wanted to be a Chief. And we thought it would be a good marriage."
Pioli and Carr's camp will continue talking in the hopes of getting something done. I doubt something does happen, but they won't cut off communications.
Pioli also recognized that the Chiefs are playing with fire by signing Routt, who is a former Raider.
"Him being a former Raider," Pioli said of Routt, "we're trying to clean up his life a little bit and get him out here as a Kansas City Chief. We're trying to make an honest man out of him!" (Yes, of course he was kidding.)
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sounds good to me
Get it done
stagdsp - February 21, 2012 via mobile
I would love for that to happen...
Now will it????………………..the jury is still out on that one
Njohnson816 - February 21, 2012
to translate ...
Brandon Carr has been replaced in our starting lineup
Brandon’s a great kid and we wish him luck wherever he goes, and he’s welcome to stay here as long as he doesn’t care about actually getting paid
and Brandon Carr is going to be one of those players
but it’s not going to happen so prepare to be disappointed
upamtn - February 21, 2012
to translate
upatmn – I disagree with the Chiefs signing Routt and not paying Carr whatever he was asking.
fongKC - February 21, 2012
to translate
i have a strong, purely emotional, attachment to brandon carr and nothing short of signing him to a 50 year 9,000,000,000 dollar deal will be okay with me. If we go one dollar under 9 billion then he will have given us a home team discount, and we should be eternally thankful for what he has done. carr is clearly the best cornerback to ever play the game of football and letting him go is clearly the worst thing of all time.
swimcris - February 21, 2012
last year Pioli was excoriated on here
because he didn’t foresee Berry being injured all year and not having sufficient depth to cover for it.
Now he’s being excoriated again, for having too much depth.
kabrink - February 21, 2012
There is nothing Pioli can do
short of signing Tom Brady with Aaron Rodgers as #2 and Peyton Manning as #3 QB that will satisfy the pitchfork and torch crowd.
neiowakcfan - February 21, 2012
So what...Pioli signs Brady, Rodger, and Manning....but he didn't / hasn't signed a NT. Pioli sucks.
Is my sarcasm font working?
DivineGrace - February 21, 2012
Either of them have potential at Safety?
woodman212 - February 21, 2012
I was just going to ask that.
BigChief43_IL - February 21, 2012
diddo
ArrowheadS - February 21, 2012
I read that as dildo at first glance
I think you mean “ditto”
The Gentry - February 21, 2012
Maybe he was calling BigChief
a dildo…
AnkenyChiefsFan - February 21, 2012
Does that even really matter?
Not like Berry and Lewis aren’t doing the job.
polodude017 - February 21, 2012
It does..
when you consider injuries.
ICTChief - February 21, 2012
Carr could be.
Good point.
GenericBrand - February 21, 2012
I've always thought Carr would be a fantastic safety
MNchiefsfan - February 21, 2012
Um, if Carr could be then why not Routt?
Routt is bigger and faster than Carr, so how is this one and not the other?
The point is, they are both CBs. Could they play some safety? Yeah, they each have the size to do that if there was a need for them to.
But just because you put Carr at safety on Madden doesn’t mean it would work that way in real life.
bamachief5558 - February 21, 2012
Madden
is not “real life”? I’m crushed….
AnkenyChiefsFan - February 21, 2012
Whoa! Was that some humor from the Ice Don?
Easy Scotty! Don’t show your passion for the team. You will make all those that have deemed you Satan himself repent
RememberDelaney37 - February 21, 2012 via mobile
Also said
That he grew up a Yankee hater and when he first met George Brett they talked some trash on the Yankees.
Joel Thorman - February 21, 2012
Nice. The common denominator for all non-New Yorkers: hating the Yankees
RememberDelaney37 - February 21, 2012 via mobile
Actually he grew up in New York.
According to the interview.
WestonK - February 21, 2012
So even New Yorkers hate the Yankees? Figures
RememberDelaney37 - February 21, 2012 via mobile
All Mets fans
manofnothi - February 21, 2012
No exceptions.
TRSChief - February 21, 2012
I've spent a goodly chunk of my life in NYC
And I absolutely hate the Yankees.
Sadly, I’m a Mets fan and am participating in a 12-step program to deal with that.
TRSChief - February 21, 2012
Which of the 12 steps...
…calls for being a Chiefs fan!?! Sounds like you might need a new therapist.
I love my boys in Red, but I’ve never really considered an eight-ball as a cure for hitting the bottle. ;)
juvatbull - February 21, 2012 via mobile
Yeah, apparently I hate winning
Chiefs fan and Mets fan.
My Rangers are lighting up the NHL this year though and are uncharacteristically not-mediocre. So that’s comforting for a change.
TRSChief - February 21, 2012
I wish I could talk trash on someone with George Brett...
Sounds like a dream.
CapnCribbs - February 21, 2012
This!
ExRoyalsFan - February 21, 2012
Heard George Brett is a bit of a prick
I’d like to talk some shit on some division rivals with Marty
RememberDelaney37 - February 21, 2012 via mobile
cosign...
lets go chill with marty…
Akr_Baby - February 21, 2012
Brett is a bit of a prick.
Saw him absolutely trashed in a bar in Brookside in the eighties and he was quite an ass. Alcohol can do that to you, so I’ll give him a bit of a pass, but man, he had quite the mouth that night.
neiowakcfan - February 21, 2012
Remember, we did just hire a new PR guy.
Dont be surprised if we start seeing a lot more of these “personal” quips from the Don. But make no mistake, each line is just as scripted as the last.
KCJayhawk - February 21, 2012
My mistake
I didn’t realize the script called for talking shit on a division rival. Good PR move. Well played move in the game of chess between Pioli and everyone else
RememberDelaney37 - February 21, 2012 via mobile
We're all pawns
Never forget that
MNchiefsfan - February 21, 2012
yeah, it's all a big conspiracy and pioli is just a puppet for the reptilian overlords
shaytron - February 21, 2012
No conspiracy here
just basic business practice.
KCJayhawk - February 21, 2012
Pioli is just taking the Routt less traveled in free agency.
BigRedChief - February 21, 2012
But he will soon be traveling by cab as he is getting rid of his Carr.
ExRoyalsFan - February 21, 2012
Lets wrap this day up with a Bowe
RememberDelaney37 - February 21, 2012 via mobile
I think that negotiation will be a tough Battle.
ExRoyalsFan - February 21, 2012
It won't be as long as you aren't Jones-ing for a resolution
RememberDelaney37 - February 21, 2012 via mobile
PUN WAR!
jmcgoblue - February 21, 2012
Pioli just wants to
B-Rich with quality Free Agents.
AnkenyChiefsFan - February 21, 2012
As long as we end with a Hali Jolly Christmas...
I don’t care what it takes to get us there.
misterbrain - February 21, 2012
Hope I don't Palko the next meeting I'm going into!
The Gentry - February 21, 2012
Hopefully we end up
Just-in a couple hundred miles east of Houston that first week in February (New Orleans).
AnkenyChiefsFan - February 21, 2012
I bet Pioli
hopes that dream Flowers!
UNIPanther - February 21, 2012
Everyone knows
he’s making Arrowhead his personal Cassel…
AnkenyChiefsFan - February 21, 2012
Of course he's going to say that, though.
What else is he going to do? Tell us that they’re letting Carr walk?
Can we get to free agency yet? :-)
KaloPhoenix - February 21, 2012
Well, he honestly could come out and say
“We’re looking at different options with Brandon here, and we’ll do what we think is best for the organization going forward” or something… I do think we’re gonna try and keep him in KC.
CapnCribbs - February 21, 2012
Good call.
How quickly I forget the standard press releases.
KaloPhoenix - February 21, 2012
Yeah
He DOES seem genuinely interested. The fact that he called him after signing Routt says a lot about how highly he thinks of him.
MNchiefsfan - February 21, 2012
Yes. And it wasn't a stick-it-to-Carr call. It was a "Nothing's changed between us" call.
The last pronouncement on Carr that I recall was that re-signing Bowe and Carr was Pioli’s highest priority. Pioli might not let a whole lot get out in the public domain, but I don’t think he wants to be known as a bullshitter on the utterances he does make.
Personally, I like the move, with or without future trades in the offing. Nice to have additional player-for-picks scenarios in place, for the week before the trade deadline, next season. But just as a football matter, there are still a few developments I’d like to see take place in the secondary, and Routt takes ‘em in that direction, even if it’s Flowers who ends up bein’ traded.
hmills110 - February 21, 2012
Agreed.
He’s not going to say anything else.
polodude017 - February 21, 2012
He didn't have to say anything at all
swish7209 - February 21, 2012
OMG KANSAS CITY CHEEEEEAPS!!!!!11!!!1
Seriously, I got so tired of hearing fans throw in the towel because we SIGNED A FREE AGENT. Let’s lock up Carr and have the best secondary in football!!
CapnCribbs - February 21, 2012
Today's 3-headed monster is yesterday's elite CB duo.
Offenses are designed to eat up your two guys outside and get their mismatches from the #3 guy.
hmills110 - February 21, 2012
It’s kinda like picking up a new lady when you’re having trouble with your long-time girlfriend. “Listen honey.. I really want to stay with you. But, you know, if things don’t work out between us, a man still needs some lovin’.”
Sorry Brandon. It’s not you, it’s me.
ExRoyalsFan - February 21, 2012
this signing doesnt impact Carr
Bullshit
HIT34MAN - February 21, 2012
Good point
RememberDelaney37 - February 21, 2012 via mobile
Well argued too.
bossmanham - February 21, 2012
REC'd for comedy geniusness
Matt in KC - February 21, 2012
Yes. Full of awesome and win.
hmills110 - February 21, 2012
It doesn't impact Carr
as long as they can agree on a number.
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 21, 2012
Compelling argument.
CapnCribbs - February 21, 2012
no argument needed
HIT34MAN - February 21, 2012
Poop happens.
bossmanham - February 21, 2012
what he said
which was at an impasse. so the signing doesn’t effect that impasse :)
fongKC - February 21, 2012
And I was just getting ready to sneeze that...
Falcon58 - February 21, 2012
Uh Bullshit,
let’s remember that this is a throwing league & the 5th D-back is extremely important.IMHO if we sign Carr this will be a tough team to throw against.
chiefs63 - February 21, 2012
That's my hope
It may tie up more cap space in one position than other teams may like, but considering this pass happy league, with rookie QB’s even throwing for 400+ yrds in games, having 3 physical CB’s capable of shutting the field down seems ideal.
shotty - February 21, 2012
Yes. And you can ALWAYS trade away a guy, if one of your younger guys steps up.
If you can do with 3 guys what everybody else needs 4 or 5 guys, including above-and-beyond-the-call-of-duty play from a durn LB, to do, you can play it a lot differently than everybody else. Then, maybe your NT becomes expendable, because you can just throw 5 at the line of scrimmage on every down, so those ‘tweeners you’ve been stockpiling are seeing lots of action, in twos, threes and fours.
hmills110 - February 21, 2012
I'm hoping and praying
but I still think it’s going to take $8 million a year or better. No idea if they’re willing to spend it, but maybe they’ll be betting on the cap increases that’ll be taking place over the next few years.
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 21, 2012
$8 million really wouldn't be too bad
I fear he’ll want around $10 mill or more. I think if it’s near $8 mill we’ll go ahead and pay him.
CapnCribbs - February 21, 2012
If he hits the market
I think he’ll get $9-10 million, but if he’ll take $8 mill to stay here… shrug
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 21, 2012
They can afford it, now, and nothing's set in stone for the longer term.
They can re-sign Carr and Bowe and still be major players for any guy they choose to target.
hmills110 - February 21, 2012
If Carr is brought back it will speak volumes about the priorities of this team
Possibilities could be moving Jalil Brown or Javier Arenas to more of a safety role.
Could also mean we expect to see a TON of Dime defense and 3rd corner may be a higher priority financially than say, inside linebacker or even nose tackle. If a 2 down plugger is all they are looking for from the NT position, why spend a lot of money when you need a 3rd corner on all 3 downs?
I still don’t think they’ll get Carr back, but I really don’t know. Just don’t rule out a philosophical shift in how the corner position is valued.
RedNose - February 21, 2012
I honestly wish they'd try Arenas out at RB
he’s not a terrible Nickleback, but he’s so compact and explosive running the ball, love to see them try it out. Evedn if it was just in training camp.
shotty - February 21, 2012
Heh. That's MY idea, dammit!
And how cool would it be to have Javy there on the RB depth chart, able to switch sides and do a serviceable job at corner, if disaster struck the secondary?
Javy or Brown, either one, might be good at S. So might Routt. I think they’d like to blur the lines between corner and safety. It’d make them a lot tougher to scheme against, if they could get McGraw and Piscitelli off the field. All due respect to McGraw, his lack of speed betrays a lot to the QB pre-snap.
hmills110 - February 21, 2012
If anyone has a twitter
Go look at bcarr profile and see the convo him and stevebreston had yesterday, it pretty much tells u wats going on!!
kcchiefsfan515 - February 21, 2012 via mobile
What did it say?
BigRedChief - February 21, 2012
@SBreaston15
@BCarr39 pay em no mind homie, we talked about this da last H game, I know u want to b here cuz, we know how this works
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 21, 2012
I fanshotted this last night
ExRoyalsFan - February 21, 2012
go to the fanshots and read the comments
it sheds major light on the tweet.
ExRoyalsFan - February 21, 2012
I copied the tweet from your post
didn’t want to spend the time trying to find it on Breaston’s TL.
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 21, 2012
It tells us that Carr told Steve Breaston he wanted to stay a Chief at the last home game
“We” being NFL players I assume, know how this process works in terms of the business side of football, and dealing with fans.
Mostly, this just shows how cool of a dude Breaston is. Glad he’s a Chief. Hope we can figure something out with Carr too, but we’ll see.
cheapham - February 21, 2012
Well
What I took from is tht hes leaving, he was basically sayn he loves all the support from the fans but this is a bness it was after the routt signing was official!! He kinda sounded pissd about, its like he really wants to stay here!! But breston was saying like he was telling him from experience tht this might happend.
kcchiefsfan515 - February 21, 2012 via mobile
Apparently it was in response to a Chiefs fan who sent a dumbass tweet to Carr
ExRoyalsFan - February 21, 2012
What is it telling you?
It told me Carr wants to be here, but football is a business and you have to roll with it.
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 21, 2012
Meh, I'll take the Yankees and their fans over those pricks from Boston any day
HIV 2 Elway - February 21, 2012
Why does this not surprise me?
BigRedChief - February 21, 2012
How many Red Sox fans came out of the woodwork after their first title?
At least Yankees fans are their year in and year out. There is no bigger fair weathered sports market than Boston. How many Pats fans were there in the early 90s? A few dozen?
HIV 2 Elway - February 21, 2012 via mobile
Agreed. All of a sudden Boston is a hockey town again? All it took was a Championship to get the fans interested.
RedNose - February 21, 2012
you people are showing a pretty major ignorance of how devoted New England-folk are to their sports teams
They are annoyingly self-important….but band-wagoners they are not.
cheapham - February 21, 2012
It's just the psudo-fans around the rest of the country that are annoying
Sorta like GB & Steeler fans
jmcgoblue - February 21, 2012
Fair enough
Kinda like the Cowboys in the 90s? Blech.
cheapham - February 21, 2012
Bruins and Patriots were not that popular in Boston without championships
Celts have always had support, but they’ve always won.
The Red Sox I’ll give you. Fairweather fans came out like crazy when they beat the Yankees in ‘03, but you can’t argue that Boston has long been a baseball town.
RedNose - February 21, 2012
I'm a sad Royals fan.... and not a very good one at that so honestly I couldn't give a shit either way.... Good Morning H2E.
BigRedChief - February 21, 2012
HIV
This is your best comment ever.
Living in these parts (and yes I am a Yankee fan since birth), the Boston fans are ridiculous. With the Sox, they bitched and moaned for years because of a bullcrap curse, then they won and everyone was suddenly a know-it-all lifetime Sox fan.
The Bruins? There are some hardcore hockey fans here. And then there were the thousands who suddenly became one after the Cup win last year.
The worst is definitely the Pats. I used to go to games with my father in the late 80’s and early 90’s. I kid you not, you could hear people on the other side of the stadium cheering and you could hear every player yelling on the field. Not one kid in my high school even had a Pats jersey or hat or anything. Fast forward and they act like they invented football.
Boston fans are THE WORST EVER.
Steve_in_RI - February 21, 2012
Pretty hardcore about the Celtics, though, aren't they?
MNchiefsfan - February 21, 2012
They were hardcore when I was young
with Bird, McHale, DJ and the Chief. But in the 90’s tickets could be had by anyone. Besides the few Reggie Lewis years (gone way too soon), the period up until the arrival of The Big 3 was very quiet. Then they won the title and it was Celtics-town again. I guess it would be like that in a lot of cities, but being so close it’s maddening.
Steve_in_RI - February 21, 2012
Especially when a city is supposed to be "the best" when it comes to fans
MNchiefsfan - February 21, 2012
Completely agree.
Though I’ve always liked the Pats (pretty sure I’m the only non-Bostonite to say that).
polodude017 - February 21, 2012
Are you @#$%ing kidding me?
cheapham - February 21, 2012
What about us Mets fans? We still have a team you know… :(
Topchief1 - February 21, 2012
If I lived in the area it would be the Mets, Nets and Jets for me
Get one sweatshirt with some velcro letters
HIV 2 Elway - February 21, 2012
It's funny,
most people I know here are either Mets/Jets or Yanks/Giants. Trying to remember if I know anyone who likes Mets/Giants or Yanks/Jets… don’t think so.
NJ Chiefs Fan - February 21, 2012
I know a Jets/Yanks fan.
polodude017 - February 21, 2012
I know a few too
HIV 2 Elway - February 21, 2012
I’m actually a Mets/Giants fan. I started rooting for the Mets when I was around 10, and the Giants when I was around 8 (Chiefs came shortly thereafter, mostly due to the awesomeness of #58)
Topchief1 - February 21, 2012
Comment of the day
MNchiefsfan - February 21, 2012
here here
big matt - February 21, 2012
I’m down with the Knicks. Most entertaining team other than the Clippers and Heat. Now add in JR Smoove?! Knicks could make a serious run
Another Successful Tedford QB - February 21, 2012
It's just
Lin-sanity…
AnkenyChiefsFan - February 21, 2012
If we are able to re-sign Carr
I can see Routt taking over McGraw’s role as the guy who would cover the TE and also be the nickel corner and maybe even backup safety if Lewis or Berry went down
KingChief - February 21, 2012
Gives them lots of flexibility.
And they could use Carr and Flowers both in different ways, as well.
hmills110 - February 21, 2012
Maybe, Just Maybe
We plan to keep Carr also. When I look at the depth chart… we don’t have any depth at corner. With the league moving more and more to pass first and often offenses, this may be what we are trying to accomplish.
Last year, not having depth in the secondary really hurt us. Every time we rotated a defensive back we got beat horribly. Tebow threw a 60 yard pass on us when we had a few of our backups in. Just my optimistic opinion anyway.
chiefs_kc_fan - February 21, 2012
I really think your right and very good protection against an injury. To have Flowers, Carr,
Routt, Berry, Lewis, Arenas, Brown and McGraw would give the Chief’s the best and deepest defensive backfield in the NFL.
jcox31mc - February 21, 2012
But Routt's name isn't Brandon
One of these things is not like the other….
AnkenyChiefsFan - February 21, 2012
I know I am dreaming here...
How much is the QB tag? How amazing would it be for the Chiefs to sign Bowe and Carr then tag Orton?
groundedchevy - February 21, 2012
That would be an INSANE amount of money for Kyle Friggin' Orton.
KaloPhoenix - February 21, 2012
Yeah probably like 15 mill I'm guessing...
If that happened I would freak out if any fans ever call the Chiefs cheap again…
groundedchevy - February 21, 2012
It is closer to $20 mil, I believe, if not over
RememberDelaney37 - February 21, 2012 via mobile
$14.4mil
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-02-17/who-will-get-franchise-tag-nfl-ray-rice-stevie-johnson-mario-williams
KSU-Chief - February 21, 2012
Ah, well that's not bad
I would lock him up with the tag for that.
RememberDelaney37 - February 21, 2012 via mobile
LOL
Hell no! I was thinking $9.4mil for BRich… $1mil per sack allowed baby!!!
KSU-Chief - February 21, 2012
-1
misterbrain - February 21, 2012
Nope then they'd just call the Chiefs stupid
jmcgoblue - February 21, 2012
The Pats tagged Cassel
Matt Friggin’ Cassel
ExRoyalsFan - February 21, 2012
but that was a business decision
they knew he was a hot commodity and they’d get compensation and picks.
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 21, 2012
They are all business decisions.
ExRoyalsFan - February 21, 2012
Your face is a business decision
j/k :)
cheapham - February 21, 2012
your mom is…
ExRoyalsFan - February 21, 2012
That's a business you don't want to be in... dad's already been there.
Falcon58 - February 21, 2012
same would happen with Flynn
if the Packers could get away with it.
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 21, 2012
Orton isn’t that good, he’s just better then Cassel. There’s a reason he was cut. If he comes back, fine. But there are better FA options then him
Topchief1 - February 21, 2012
That's my thinking.
hmills110 - February 21, 2012
I DON’T think Orton is the answer to our problems here buddy!!
javim100 - February 21, 2012
"We're trying to make an honest man out of him!"
Man, you have to love that.
I was floored when I read it, knowing it came from Scott P. He must be feeling pretty good about this year ahead.
cowboyChief - February 21, 2012
i concur sir
Nice jab at those damn Faiders by the boss man.
kc_okerix - February 21, 2012
I said it yesterday...
when the story broke about Routt, I think they shoudl resign Carr and put him at Safety on the other end of Berry!! It would be a perfect backfield!!!
javim100 - February 21, 2012
Damn you, Joel
Got me all excited excited again. Flowers, Carr, Routt, Berry, and Lewis… Oh my!
Add DJ, Houston, Hali, and a nice DT and holy crap.
KCMizzou - February 21, 2012
Maybe these guys can play offense too
ExRoyalsFan - February 21, 2012
Maybe they won't need to.
KCMizzou - February 21, 2012
How many teams have won a Super Bowl without playing offense?
Don’t worry, I’ll wait.
Falcon58 - February 21, 2012
I was kidding.
Settle, precious. I know what you’re going through.
KCMizzou - February 21, 2012
The Ravens.
neiowakcfan - February 21, 2012
Didn't they score like 30 in the super bowl?
Lucasjr5 - February 21, 2012
i believe this
Look, yes it is putting a lot of money in the secondary, but it would also (if Carr re-signs) give us the best secondary in the NFL. How many teams would have a 3-deep CB list KC? And as many 3+ WR sets the defense sees, the more this is an asset.
chief Stevie_k - February 21, 2012
Ok.. I dont understand
Why the Chiefs dont franchise tag Carr.. sit him down and ask him what he wants to do (stay or leave KC) and then either settle on a contract agreement over the course of next year, or trade the man (hopefully to one of Carrs top choices). I think its a complete failure for this team to lose out completely in the brandon carr sweepstakes. I think a deal can be done where both sides are happy. To let him just walk away to the highest bidder when he is the best CB on the market by far is probably the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
I dont know if this is possible as there are many legalities that the commons fan doesnt know of.. but can anyone tell me if tagging carr and trading him is an option? Why or why not?
Matt in KC - February 21, 2012
It’s completely an option and, in my opinion, the most likely to happen. The key will be getting Bowe to sign before FA begins.
JComp11 - February 21, 2012
I have no doubt in mind that bowe will sign..
He likes it here.. he has a lot of good friends on this team.. he loves RAC.. I dont see why Bowe or Carr for that matter would want to leave. Dont get me wrong.. a team like the Raiders could throw $100 million at his feet for a couple of years (lets be honest- they are the dumbest team in the league. its possible) and he would gladly go- who wouldnt. But hes not Randy Moss or TO (in their prime).. And Bowe might be one of the most underrated recievers in the league as far as what he has accomplished.
Matt in KC - February 21, 2012
I'd like to think that Bowe's first choice is KC
But what about a team like TB? The weather’s nicer, they have tons of cap room and a better QB, and there’s no question they’d like to have him. The only thing hindering that is the cheapness of the Bucs.
Chief TigerGator - February 21, 2012
Yeah
Tampa, Miami, San Diego.. Bowe could litterally go anywhere he wants.. but I look at it as if I were in his shoes.. I would take less money to stay with the guys I know and respect before I would leave. And it cant just be me.. I look at the Royals and Hosmer, Mous, and the guys that have all played together in the minors, hell even some of the guys who have been there the last couple of years.. they want to stay together.
Matt in KC - February 21, 2012
Especially after they got rid of the guy who picked on him.
hmills110 - February 21, 2012
Because if they haven't signed Bowe first, they are leaving themselves open to losing him.
polodude017 - February 21, 2012
Who would you rather lose?
Carr or Bowe.. I would rather lose Bowe than Carr.. IMO
Matt in KC - February 21, 2012
Now?
It’s not even close. Bowe is way more important. Before Routt signed, I would have agreed with you, but not now.
Tarkus - February 21, 2012
I'll say this
I think Pioli/Hunt know that the fans would like to see Carr remain a Chief. Business wise, I think it makes sense to Tag/Trade him. If we do resign Carr, I think this will be a move to please the fans….which would be nice for a change. (and obviously still good for the team as well)
Brad-KC - February 21, 2012
I'd be upset
if the Chiefs made football moves to please fans other than to win championships.
If the Chiefs want to please us, lower the ticket prices ;)
fongKC - February 21, 2012
or just get to the SB
TheScreenName - February 21, 2012
Thank you.
Fans get pleased by winning. All that emotional crap doesn’t mean much when it comes down to wins and losses, which is ultimately what matters.
Tarkus - February 21, 2012
Hypothetical situation: Lets say we HAVE to lose one of them
1. Which one can we less afford to lose?
2. Which one would you personally rather keep?
Chief TigerGator - February 21, 2012
I assume you are talking about Bowe and Carr.
Before signing Routt, I would have said I would rather keep Carr and lose Bowe. But now, I would flip that.
polodude017 - February 21, 2012
Yeah, I should have been more clear. Bowe and Carr
I think we can less afford to lose Bowe, but I personally like Carr better. My guess is most fans feel the same.
Chief TigerGator - February 21, 2012
Even before we signed Routt, we can afford to lose Bowe less.
A receiver of Bowes ability and production is WAYYY harder to replace than a cornerback of Brandon Carr’s ability and production.
RedNose - February 21, 2012
Not this year it isn't
If you’re going to replace Bowe, this is the year to do it.
GenericBrand - February 21, 2012
Referring to the WRs available in Free Agency?
I think Mike Wallace is the only guy I’d (maybe) consider as an upgrade over Bowe. Vincent Jackson can’t stay on the field, Stevie Johnson is good but relatively ordinary athlete. Who else is out there that you’d rather?
RedNose - February 21, 2012
Absolutely!!
Tag and trade Bowe to St. Louis, along with Glen Dorsey and our #1 pick and get RG3. Make it so! I have seen Blackmon mocked to St. Louis. If we give them Bowe, we give them what they need, and we get what we need, our QBOTF. Bowe is a good receiver, but there are a LOT of good receivers to be had in FA, like Colston, Meachem, Stevie Johnson, or my favorite, Vincent Jackson (take our main rival’s best receiver). Lots more here:
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2012/fa/wr.html
We could also take a flier on someone who will work somewhat cheaply, like Moss, Owens, or Wayne, guys who are at the end of their careers, but could still provide production for us. I love Bowe, but if we can get RG3, we should make that deal.
AnkenyChiefsFan - February 21, 2012
Actually
I wouldn’t mind having DeSean Jackson as a Chief even with the stupid head games he plays. Imagine him back returning punts…Dante Hall 2.0.
AnkenyChiefsFan - February 21, 2012
I was with you until DeSean.
Like they were saying today, on NFLN. He’ll make a game-changing impact on a handful of games, but be nothing special for 10 games or so.
hmills110 - February 21, 2012
Without reading any of the comments on here...
Pioli pretty much has to say that in order to keep any trade value for Carr in the event we end up franchising him. Unless Carr wants to come back for a similar contract that Routt just signed I doubt he’s in a Chiefs uni next year.
Chiefs08Matt - February 21, 2012 via mobile
This has me curious
Makes me think that someone is changing positions. Carr to safety or Arenas more of a safety/cb hybrid player maybe.
GenericBrand - February 21, 2012
Jalil Brown
Donald Washington 2.0
KansasCityShuffle - February 21, 2012
It has to be someone with a bigger role or why bring in Routt and suggest you want all three CBs?
GenericBrand - February 21, 2012
Nickel & Diming?
It’s a pass happy league. That’s no secret. I’m missing something..
KansasCityShuffle - February 21, 2012
Yeah, and I'm a chinese jet pilot
Thanks for feeding us BS, Scott.
Clay Wendler - February 21, 2012
Ash, is that you?
TRSChief - February 21, 2012
Optomistic view! Excuse me if this has been covered.
Anyone else notice that Routt’s deal is very front loaded as in it appears that we will pay him half his contract in the first year. If this is the case and the chiefs exercised the extra cap clause(forgot the correct term) then this could signify that they are actually gonna load up for a run. If they actually get a deal done with Carr(praying) then i would really start to believe this is the case. As much as Romeo likes to use Berry in the box and 5 DB sets with the 5th typically being a safety couldn’t this really work with one of them(Carr\Routt) playing a CB\S hybrid type of position.
bamhvac - February 21, 2012
There it is says he gets $6.5 mil guaranteed and $11 total that would be over half of the $19.6 he reportedly singed for.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7594856/ex-oakland-raiders-cb-stanford-routt-join-kansas-city-chiefs-source-says
bamhvac - February 21, 2012
He reportedly singed for?
I hope he was better than William Hung….
;)
AnkenyChiefsFan - February 21, 2012
There's no question, that a 3-headed monster @ CB would give 'em lots more options, and make them a lot harder to read.
hmills110 - February 21, 2012
Considering he played for the Raiders
I am not at all surprised by the number of penalties. Now he will play for a team that has an awesome Defensive Coordinator, and one that doesn’t brag about having the most penalties in a season year after year!
radtech04 - February 21, 2012
exactlly
sloppy play can be corrected. Moss was shitty with the raiders and look what he did the next year in NE….Hard to judge a player while he is with the raiders. Gotta give him the benefit of the doubt
TheScreenName - February 21, 2012
One year now defines an entire 7 year career?
bamhvac - February 21, 2012
Maybe it's not the Corner who is crappy
Maybe he played crappy because he was unhappy that he played for a crappy franchise, kind of like Randy Moss.
radtech04 - February 21, 2012
This! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bamhvac - February 21, 2012
I will also point this out.
Corners are more prone to penalties and mistakes when they don’t trust their safeties and we have some pretty good safeties here!
bamhvac - February 21, 2012
But the Raiders have Huff
/sarcasm
PVChiefsfan - February 21, 2012
Hey Maybe Oakland can draft a Corner in the draft...
Oh wait a minute…Never mind…You don’t have any!! Bahahaha!
radtech04 - February 21, 2012
*Draft Picks
radtech04 - February 21, 2012
Cleveland is probably just about as Shitty
Of a franchise to play for as Oakland. Nobody wins there!
radtech04 - February 21, 2012
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