Arrowhead Pride

Chiefsdodgerslakers2415 - February 21, 2012 reply

yep

But that means they found his body...

chiefs_fan_forever - February 21, 2012 reply

I'll post this here as well

http://www.raiders.ninjagoro.com/2012/01/stanford-routts-2011-season-part-1-the-penalties/

^Write-up by a Raiders fan on Stanford Routt, goes pretty in-depth and goes into 4 parts breaking down his play from 2011. Including the Penalties and the Touch Downs allowed.

Its a damn good write-up even if its from a Raider fan, I suggest everybody read this to learn more about our new Chief. He’s a bit misunderstood I think.

I am very surprised by this.

Not at the information that’s inside the link, but that Raiders fans can read and write.

nateforchiefs - February 21, 2012 via mobile reply

LOL

I hear this penalty bullshit and it makes me laugh.. The raiders have led the league in penalties for quite some time now so its obvious there isnt a high concern to not have them.

I find it hard to believe that he will come here and it stay the same.. Revis should be penalized a shitload of times but the refs let him get away with it.. Physical guys will win some and lose some.. Just gotta find a way to drop the amount.

They can dance too.................

Is that their team bus in the background?

Hardy har har

Raider fans are people too, even if they like to dress up like its Halloween.

raiders fans only exist

to help the rest of the world feel good about themselves

heard the interview by kevin ross former chief and raider coach talking about routt

he said if routt played for another team he would not have all those penalties. Anyone else see how routt was better than carr in 2010 in stats? Take away Nnamdi and he didnt do as good wonder what carr will be like when you take away flowers? I cant wait to see for all the people not on board with the routt signing and carr leaving.

I see it like this same guy just half the price. great hire, sorry carr but you wanted to much money that we already gave the big contracts away to other players in our secondary it had to happen.

It seems like the penalties could be lack of focus.

11 penalties came in 3 games, while he 8 games he has none. To me that doesn’t say he is always dirty/physical, just that he loses his cool or lets the game get away from him. If we can keep his mind right he could work well for us.

wonder what the score was in those games he got those penalties?

think they was getting beat pretty good and he broke down mentally?

Nah they won 2 out of the 3.

wonder what it was then? maybe he brought his problems at home to work?

Well from the link:

Routt’s a physical player. He’s 6’1″, 195lbs and has no fear. He gives a good punch and has strong hands and as such, he’s often fighting with the big receivers. Against some of the bigger receivers, he ahd 3 penalties against Plaxico Burress, 3 against Calvin Johnson, 1 against Vincent Jackson, 2 against Dwayne Bowe, and 1 against Malcolm Floyd. Those are some tough matchups to be left in one-on-one "Island" coverage. To quote Chris Rock, "I’m not saying he shoulda done it, but I understand."

Seems the more physical the WR, the more physical he gets.

I’m liking this guy more and more, especially this paragraph:

What I particularly like about Routt is his mental toughness. He has the cliche "short memory" and doesn’t let one play affect the next. In fact, what’s amazing is that Routt will often make a big play following a poor one. It’s as if the offense sees the penalty and decides to try to pick on him, but Routt comes back with a great defensive play. A penalty doesn’t change his play, doesn’t make him back off or ease up. That may account for why he gets so many penalties, but also why he has been such a good defender.

That bottom paragraph

is huge. Not letting one play affect the next is a very good attribute.

I watched the film of the penalties

I’d have thrown a flag on every one. Uh oh.

XianDave - February 21, 2012 reply

I think Crennel/Thomas can get him to tone that down a bit

And wearing Red will also have that diminish, I saw Carr/Flowers get away with a lot of grabbing last year.

thats because he was a raider

dgoddard - February 22, 2012 reply

Carr and Routt?

I confess I am secretly hoping that they resign Carr as well, with the possibility that we move Routt to Safety. Then we will shore up our secondary, and make it even better than it already is. His move to safety would be ala C. Woodsons (GB). Could lengthen his career and make the team better IMO. Anybody with me? :)

jskirk71 - February 21, 2012 reply

Heres the thing though

would it benefit us more, since we have Routt now, to not re-sign Carr and use that money in another area of need? Say OL, or NT?.

Its a passing league and we struggle to get to the QB

However given enough time, like say the time 3 Above-Average/Great corners can give, Hali can sack the QB on every play.

true

but I think with or without Carr, we will be top defense,

Play the nickel D most of the time? It could work.

Flowers, Carr, Routt, Berry and Lewis in the secondary. Houston (who can rush the QB and cover the pass), DJ in the middle and Hali on one end doing their thing. TJax, Soliai and Dorsey holding the line of scrimmage. Berry and Lewis both can play close to the LOS almost as another linebacker like we did with McGraw last year. Keep Gordon and Bailey as backup DEnds and NT.

That was my thought prior to the signing

and makes perfect sense to me.

TXChiefan - February 21, 2012 reply

wont happen to much money in the secondary.

Like how you think

Just a couple little tweaks. On passing downs TJax and Dorsey should be getting a drink on the sidelines and we should be bringing Bailey and Gilberry with Soliai/Powe/Gordon

KCMikeG - February 21, 2012 reply

I don't disagree, but...

I think we can address those issues easier within the draft. Plus, even if we resign Carr, we can still address some of those issues via free agency with our current cap space. But as I said, a guy can dream. :)

jskirk71 - February 21, 2012 reply

Not a bad dream

seems like this can pan out a number of different ways

I 100% agree with

Moving rout to free safety,signing Carr and that would be by far the best secondary in Football!!! Doubt Pioli will pay that kind of money to the secondary…. We can dream though… Carr may change his stance and give us a discount? It has to sound appealing to him anyways..

Kclown - February 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Dolphin won't offer a new deal to Henne

Per PFT

I think KC should give him a look…and reunion him with Breaston. I know he won’t be the starter but he at least would make a fine back up.

What do you think?

Chiefs already have two backup QBs.

Tarkus - February 21, 2012 reply

agree...

stay away from that move

Stanzi I would keep...

But Palko!?! Cassel!?! I would rather have Henne over those guys.

Id rather have a quadriplegic over Palko

Cassel and Henne doesnt seem like much of a difference as far as backups go, which is where I think they belong, so why not keep the guy that we already have signed?

This.

Tarkus - February 21, 2012 reply

Agree..................

Cassel is due

5.25 million dollars for 2012.
Henne’s 2011 base salary was only 555,000. Not very far from Palko’s for the 2011 and he is RFA.
I am pretty he wouldn’t break the bank if he replaced Palko. Daboll was his OC for the 2011 so that helps….

ok

then shit cann everyone and start from scratch

Not saying that...

that’s what training camp is for. To find the best player…it’s called competition. Besides are you telling me that you are fine with Cassel, Stanzi, and Palko for the 2012?

I was saying shit cann them then, didnt mean to make it sound like you were suggesting that

No I am not fine with Cassel/Palko/Stanzi……I wouldnt mind Orton starting, Stanzi number 2 and somebody not named Palko at 3…

I wouldn't mind that either...

Orton, Stanzi and Henne would look a lot better than Cassel, Palko, and Stanzi ;)

They're the same player

Back-ups

I would take Cassel over Henne.

Cassel aint great, but he is better than Henne for sure.

Henne looked pretty alright playing for Daboll before he got hurt.

His decision making isn’t as good as Cassel’s but he’s better at reads and has an honest to God deep ball.

If we’re not going to draft a QB in the first two rounds or bring in Manning, I’d like Henne as Cassel’s competition just as much as Orton or Campbell.

MtHammer - February 21, 2012 reply

If you check the mock draft section

you will see where we can have RG3 backing up Peyton for a year, and costing us very little.
Don’t set your goals so low,… it doesn’t become you ;-)

tomachop - February 22, 2012 reply

Ya, RG3 will be backing up Peyton...Obama will personally pay off 100% of the national debt...and a monkey will fly out of tomachop's bum bum.

Ain’t gonna happen.

DivineGrace - February 22, 2012 reply

The monkey part is most likely

nateforchiefs - February 22, 2012 reply

no.

mmm I disagree with the "gimme" that Bowe will get the tag

Lot of options out there…
1st of all.. it’s in Bowe’s interest to SIGN a long term, fair deal. More guaranteed money and potentially a really nice contract.
2nd of all, it’s in the Chiefs interested to sign Bowe, tag Carr and have even more options.

I disagree with your disagree of the "gimme"

well then sir

In typical discussions / debates, you should provide reasons for your argument. I have… your turn.

if you think its a good idea

it probably isnt…..thats my provided reasons for my argument..

More or less just fucking with ya.. I do think Bowe will get tag unless he signs first of course

zzzzzzzzz

boring

thats all I got

cant give you anything else bradley

HOW DARE YOU USE MY FULL NAME!

raise your hand when you wanna speak to me

excuse me?

pretty sure I have the upper hand in this discussion :) I’ve provided reasons… you guys are just saying..
NU UHHHH NO NO NO

true

but did you raise your hand

no :(

so you get disqualified and your reasons are null and void

x

are you drunk?

Apparently

Stupid pictures…

I just love that pic, and it applied. Then I managed to be full of fail in posting it

what was it "going "to say

"This Cat is pushing a watermelon out of a lake. Your Argument is invalid"

Slays me for some reason, and your comment reminded me of it…

Bah! Forget it...

I'm in agreement with your disagreement of the disagreement.

ExRoyalsFan - February 21, 2012 reply

I disagree.

I think.

Chiefs will try to get a deal done with Bowe without using the tag. Ergo, it’s not a gimme that he’ll be tagged.

Tarkus - February 21, 2012 reply

you're now in the same boat

as your comrade.

well you need a boat then

I've provide a boat

full of discussion.

Thats a shitty boat

ugh

provided*

Just keep SwimCoach away from Dwayne Bowe

ExRoyalsFan - February 21, 2012 reply

lol

Agree to disagree?

disagree to agree?

Indeed?

Rac_City29 - February 21, 2012 reply

Basically, I think it's in the interest of BOTH Bowe and the Chiefs to reach a long term deal

He wont get Fitz (QB) money anywhere. We can give him a nice 6 year 50 mil deal with 20 guaranteed.

You think he'd sign for 6 year 50 mil?

ExRoyalsFan - February 21, 2012 reply

yeah

They were predicting the Santonio Holmes deal for Bowe today.

That’s 5 years and 45 million with 24 guaranteed IIRC

WURoyal - February 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Id rather have him

than Holmes

Bowe's Rainbow..................

>cough< La, la, la, la (tuning up singing voice)

melodically…………….“Somewhere over Dewayne Bowe………………..” Sorry, I apologize……….had to do it……………lmao!

G.L. - February 22, 2012 reply

Anyone else watch ESPN with weinkie talking about peyton's injury?

If not here is what was talked about, Chris weinkie former carolina panthers QB had pretty much the same injury when in college from a really good hit and had to do all the rehab and couldnt throw 5 yards said his throwing arm was just gone, He did the rehab and he said about 7 months later he was back to throwing great, he later went on to win the national championship at florida st that year, then the next year went on to win the heisman I think? Dont quote me on the second one he won something the second year after coming back from the injury I remember. Then went on to the NFL with the injury never bothering him again. He said with peyton’s mental drive he should come back better than he did, in fact he also said when he came back his arm felt better than before the injury, he thinks cause of the rehab working it so much. He said having the injury he was just as likely to get hurt cause of it after the rehab as a guy who never got the injury.

pretty cool I guess hearing that, Im sketchy about peyton but that kind of makes you wonder is it possible still for him to come to kc? Chris said him and peyton didnt have the same injury but alot of it was close to the same. Who knows peyton’s might not have been as bad as Weinkie’s injury for all we know I never heard him say who had the worse injury just that it was about the same.

Didnt want to make a fan post or fan shot figured I would share in a comment. Any thoughts on this? Anyone else watch it?

Peyton is older and it takes longer to recover from injuries when you're 35 vs whatever Weinke was.

Can he come back? Probably. But I dont think he will be 100% before the start of next season, I say pass on Peyton.

He will have had more time than Chris in his recovery also while your talking about age.

the guy has determination like no other, Im on the fence about it honestly its the thought of peyton manning at QB for us while also the risk of is he the old peyton manning?

Just saying what they was saying on espn, im neither here nor there but think there are points to be made for both sides on this.

Chief Willie Wildcat - February 21, 2012 reply

Plus Peyton has world-class doctors, with 15 more years of experience dealing with the injury for the entire medical field

Who knows how surgical and rehabilitation techniques have improved in that time.

Sam D - February 21, 2012 reply

Plus Peyton

had 4 surgeries and Chris had one – kinda similar sort of maybe. Peyton is done.

KCMikeG - February 21, 2012 reply

K-STATE!!!

EMAW!!!

Our Frank > Your Frank :)

RAC'd