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2012 NFL Mock Draft: Another Offensive Tackle For The Chiefs

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A month ago, Don Banks of SI.com put out a 2012 NFL mock draft that had the Kansas City Chiefs selecting DT Devon Still. Today, Banks' latest mock draft has the Chiefs selecting OT Jonathan Martin out of Stanford.

Here's what he said:

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The Chiefs have to upgrade at right offensive tackle, and Martin is the most obvious direction to head with both Kalil and Reiff already gone. An inside linebacker like Boston College's Luke Kuechly or a defensive tackle like Memphis' Dontari Poe would fill other areas of need with players who will wind up with grades in the top 15-20 range.

In this scenario, both Matt Kalil and Riley Reiff are off the board, which leaves Martin (and Mike Adams out of Ohio State) as the next best offensive tackle.

This jives with Adam Teicher's suggestion this morning that the Chiefs should draft an offensive tackle. You'd get a right tackle for next season and some insurance for the season after that depending on how Branden Albert's contract situation plays out.

One interesting situation that presents itself in this mock draft is Texas A&M' QB Ryan Tannehill being available at the 11th pick. I'm not saying the Chiefs should take him but, in this scenario, the Seattle Seahawks are right behind the Chiefs. They very well could take a quarterback, which makes the Chiefs position one spot ahead of them potentially desirable for a trade down. Something to remember is that teams will trade up for a quarterback. Maybe not many other positions, but a quarterback they will.

Any strong feelings one way or the other on the Chiefs trading down?

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When in doubt, draft beef

Approve

No...

When in doubt, draft beer.

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no tv and no beer make homer go something something..
Agreed on Martin

good pick, upside as a LT

but, why the hell are people who SHOULD know better still talking about Kuechly for the Chiefs??? the guy isn’t a 3-4 LB, and he sure as hell isn’t a SILB… (good player, though)

I dunno

Good players are good players. DJ wasn’t a 34 LB and he’s kicking all ass.

I agree
Good players are good players
Kuechly would make an awesome SS
He would make an even better linebacker,

you know, because he is a linebacker…

You know who would make a great SS… Eric Berry:

Because he is a Safety and he will be back in less than Eight months killing people.

And I always thought good players were bad players
Thats the problem with Kuechly though

He’s a hell of a player but he is DJ and there’s no point drafting a guy to sit behind your AllPro LB.

Jovan Belcher isn't an all pro anything.
that's the point, my friend

Kuechly could ONLY play the WILB spot… where DJ plays

Why?
I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation a LOT before

same reason Demorrio and DJ haven’t been the full time starters


“There’s a big difference,” Haley said when asked about the difference between the weakside and strongside inside linebacker positions. "There’s a big difference in the type of player we’re looking for from a physical stature. I think there’s a big difference.

“I think there are more strongside inside linebackers that can play the other side if they have a certain skill set than weakside inside linebackers that can come over and play the other side. The strongside linebacker has to take on a lot bigger bodies a lot more of the time.”

So DJ couldn’t move over and play strongside?

“I’m not saying that he couldn’t,” Haley said. “I would say Derrick has the skill set to be that weakside inside linebacker and it’s a very nice fit for him.”

link

block quote hiccup there, but you get the point

Kuechly is a weakside guy if he plays the 3-4… but he’s best in a 4-3 like his closest NFL comparison:

His play is reminiscent of St. Louis Rams’ James Laurinaitis.

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/a.php/129795/160#ixzz1n8aHy13K

Slight frame (6-foot-2, 237 pounds) – may struggle shedding blocks from NFL linemen

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/a.php/129795/160#ixzz1n8aQA5JU

Although..

He’s bigger than Belcher (Listed at 6-2, 228), which surprised the hell out of me, Jovan’s a lightweight dude. There’s gotta be something there with technique, aggression, etc., because he’s built more like a SS than SILB.

belcher is bigger than that now

he’s over 240

Someone change his listed weight pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee
2 things

1) Haley ain’t walkin through that door.
2) I still contend that good football players are good football players. It’s not like we’d be asking him to line up as starting LT or Right Corner back.

I’m not saying he should or shouldn’t be the pick, I’m just saying that you shouldn’t pigeonhole players based on the scheme they played in college.

2) I still contend that good football players are good football players. It’s not like we’d be asking him to line up as starting LT or Right Corner back.

but, that’s exactly the point… you can’t just take a “good football player” and put him out of position and expect him to succeed.

there IS enough of a difference that it wouldnt’ make sense to take him in the top 15 and ask him to play a position that doesn’t fit his skill set.

Aren’t you one of the guys that wants to trade Dorsey because he’s not “ideal” for the 3-4 ?

You can take a good football player and put him out of position

But you don’t do that with #11 unless he’s just too good of a player to pass up.

sounds like what you hear about martin being picked to play RT?

not a great fit?

Aren’t you one of the guys that wants to trade Dorsey because he’s not "ideal" for the 3-4 ?

No. I’m one of those guys who wants to trade Dorsey because he’s terrible.

I agree

Trade Dorsey for whatever sandwich you can and sign a guy like Redding and be done with it.

haha

well, I think you’d be disapointed with drafting another WILB in the first round, too.

Meh.

I’m not hoping for Kuechly or anything, I’m just asking the question of why someone in a 43 couldn’t POSSIBLY make the QUANTUM LEAP to the WAY DIFFERENT position of WILB in a 34.

he could play the WILB

just not the SILB

That is just not a true statement...

You can say it like fact and believe it like a fact, but the fact is that guys switch positions all the time going from a college guy to a pro guy.

If a team thinks that he can make the transition, than he may be able to. You shouldn’t just say he can’t just to say it.

You look at Kuechly and see an undersized WILB that would struggle at the SILB position with the Chiefs.

I look at Kuechly and see an athlete that dominated at the college level on the middle of the field. One who’s strength’s are intelligence, high motor and coachability.

Those skills will let him transfer to any role a pro team has for him, to say he won’t play SILB just because he can’t is completely silly and I have never disagreed with you more about anything.

This kid will be a great LB and he could probably play next to DJ at SILB, because on defense you play to your players strengths. The combo of Hali, Johnson, Kuechly and Houston would help a coach.

Not make him think, how am I going to play football with these guys, Kuechly can’t shed tackles.

He did everything at Boston College and was very versatile, if the Chiefs coaches think he can play, let him play.

I respect your opinion

but, I’d bet money he never plays a snap at SILB in the 3-4 in the NFL.

I’d also wager he’ll be drafted by a 4-3 team… and that he WILL be a successfull player… just not in KC

I'm not saying that he is a perfect fit for SILB

but that teams will take chances on guys like him making the transititon. Look at Corey Liuget last season, he was a blatant fit for the 4-3 according to AP, but San Diego took a chance on him in there 3-4.

I’m only saying that if KC takes Luke Kuechly it is because Romeo and Co. think he can fit and is worth the selection. That will be good enough for me.

I get that you are saying that will/should never happen… and it probably won’t, but it wouldn’t be because Kuechly couldn’t adjust to the role IMO. He is just to good a LB to not be able to fit.

Well different system over there in SD he is playing like a 3 tech

Not 2 gapping, instead shooting gaps.. what we said he would be doing.

He is just not good at taking/shedding blocks, main job of a SILB

What I don't like about that.

Is that some guys on the internet (all due respect) are the ones assuming that he can’t do that. Taking on blockers and shedding tackles wasn’t his responsibility, mostly due to no one else on the team being very good.

You act as if he played football just nimbly running around the other 21 guys on the field, instead of ever having any contact. I know, I’m being facetious…

I’ve watched a lot of Luke Kuechly, especially lately and he is a physical little player that plays bigger then his size would indicate. He form tackles well, wraps up and has an Eric Berry like knack for being around the ball.

Plus, he can cover well for a LB, a tool I feel is vital for our next SILB, because I’m tired of watching Jovan Belcher get beat on non obvious passing downs over the middle. If Belcher had Kuechly’s awareness that would help.

Everyone says we need a linebacker that can shed blockers and occupy space, I think Kuechly can do that with proper coaching. This guy would run threw a brick wall if you told him it was for the team…

Let’s see:
Incredible nose for the football – Check
Talent – Check
Size – Check
Tackling ability – Check
Coverage skills – Check
Coachability – Check
Vrables – Check
Non stop motor – Check
Intelligence – Check
Leadership -Check
Ability to take/shed blocks as seen through hours of film – ?

To you guys that equals a pass. is Jovan Belcher out there holding blocks so that DJ can make plays?

Because. I am only seeing Jovan get pushed out of plays when he is not tackling a ball carrier or getting burnt by a tight end/ running back in the air.

I like Belcher, but he is no Luke Kuechly… and we would see the difference if we drafted him.

Responsibilty or not

He almost NEVER went through Olinemen to get to the ball carrier, yes you can point to the TFL but those were usually on screens/tosses/stuffing the hole. He does dance around players, and flow along the LOS instead of attacking.. that is not what we use our SILB for.

Next people are going to point out his huge tackle #s instead of seeing how many of those were made yards passed the LOS

How many of Belcher's tackles are made behind the line of scrimmage?
how many of DJ's tackles were behind the LOS

BECAUSE Belcher blew up the would-be blockers

Actually he did go through linemen

I’ve seen it a few times

Hence the
He almost NEVER
He could eventually
You're on crack

Terrible? Dorsey does everything the Chiefs have EVER asked of him, and he does it very well.

I agree for the most part

they’d probably LIKE more QB pressure from him… but they can’t be upset with his run defense

Except pick up double teams

Or rush the passer when single teamed

It has less to do with scheme and more to do with ability.

It’s not to say that it would be an awful pick but more one that you wouldn’t be using that players skillset to the best of his potential which isn’t something you do with the #11 pick. Now if you wanted to try to do that with a 3rd rounder that would be a completely different story.

Allen Bailey at 3-4 DE?
that's actually a good position for him
Not as a Two gapper
I think the quotes from Pioli after the draft confirmed

they liked him more as a sub-package rusher… which is how they used him, so it makes sense to me

Precisely.
He will never tip 300 lbs

without it being fat

He doesn't need to though

He’s an absolute beast of a man.

Do you guys ever get that feeling

that when the replies become so long on SB, that its like reading a Japanese comic book? Not saying that I’ve done it before but this would be a first hand experience.

Kuechly is a play maker but just isn't physcial enough

He runs around blockers instead of engaging them and is much better suited to run free like DJ does and make plays that way.

What I don't get about the whole SILB/WILB shenanigans every single offseason...

Is that in this offseason, we should be looking for an SILB that can cover a secondary or primary tight end.

Currently, Belcher has questionable cover skills and it costs the Chiefs yards, when he goes out on obvious passing plays. We put in liabilities in coverage like Piscitelli and McGraw (depending on which version shows up)

The Chiefs need a strong player in there and if it’s not one of the top players in the draft, who is it?

I’m hopepful that it is Cory Greenwood, but one thing is certain. They need to find someone before kickoff this coming season or the defense will suffer.

I am hopeful for greenwood

as DJ’s backup

I think the Chiefs will be content with Siler and Belcher at SILB

Hopefully DJ won't need a backup
I am hoping Siler can come back strong

but that is a terrible injury that he suffered from. Who knows with him?

Regardless the Chiefs need someone that can cover.

Tough to find a guy who can head-up with guards and centers AND run with TEs.
That is true...

That is why Scott Pioli is suppose to be the best.

At least Belcher can do whats demanded of his position.
If we're going to draft oline in round 1 it has to be tackle

We have actual players and very good starting caliber players at all the other positions on the line but only have Albert at tackle(not including mims because he’s not worth including). I like Martin but I like Reiff more.

Rec'd

For acknowledging a 1st round Oline pick has to be a tackle and also for acknowledging that Mims is most certainly a large pilon.

Draft Bobby Massie in the 2nd
Every mock I've seen shows Massie gone before 43
Did we take an OT in those drafts?

in the 1st

Also

The interior oline pool is extremely dep this year compared to the tackles. The difference between Reifff/Martin compared to Sanders/Glenn is far greater then the difference between DeCastro and Zeitler/etc not to mention we have a very good veteran guard for one more season that 2nd or 3rd round beef can learn behind.

You are looking at things wrong

If you are judging OT talent.. goes
Kalil then to Reiff/Martin THEN to Sanders/Glenn

Cant just throw out a whole step!

No Adams?
Just used GBs little step down

Had to add the beginning step of Kalil to balance it out

Love the picture

Sign luck up !

Love the picture

Sign luck up !

We should draft both

Which reminds me, I should go do another Super Radical Chiefs Mock at Mocking the draft.

Lol

Sounds like a plan. Can’t go wrong having both as chiefs

Florio is saying Indy can sign Luck as early as next week
It's not unusual for the # 1 overall pick to sign before the draft

David Carr is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that did this before the draft, but there have been others.

Done.

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/2/22/2817126/kansas-city-chiefs-mock-draft

Check it fools.

Hillarious

Now lets count how many knobs take you seriously.

What if Luck becomes available at #1? What would you give up for him?

It might sound ludicrous but really they lose cap money by ditching Peyton and who knows maybe Legano wants Manning? You keep Manning for two years, sell off the first pick for a ton in return which you need because you have to rebuild the whole damn team. Then use some of that next year to move around the first round to pick up your QBOTF from one of the 4 studs that will likely be there. Either that or maybe Irsay just likes RGIII better(unlikely….what am I smoking).

I love the first comment.
Haha ya

The trade for the 1st overall pick “won’t get it done” but he has nothing to say about a 6th and Cassel for Patrick Willis.

Or Richardson slipping to the 4th round.

Etc.

that was good

i lol’d :D

wouldn't be happy, wouldn't be pissed either
I'm all about getting more picks.

Works on Madden, anyway. =)

(but seriously, the more picks, the better in my book, especially if you can still snag the guy you want)

The war is won in the trenches...

so any BPA at Oline or Dline has my vote.

Hope he's there when we pick
how many drafts last year had us with gabe carimi...

Seen it before. If we were gona do it we would have already.

Remember though that last year we had 3 tackles already under contract

This year we have none worth mentioning.

Comparing everything else, this makes sense

Not as much need at guard, ILB, RB, etc to justify taking those positions. RT is a HUGE need, and as much as picking a RT at 11/12 might be a reach, it’s probably in our best interests to do so because I don’t think any other position has the same BPA/fills a hole combination as getting a legit tackle would.

I continue to be surprised

at how high people think our priority at linebacker is.

agreed

I don’t see the Chiefs drafting a LB at all this year… or at least not very early at all

It's hard to stomach with DeCastro still on the board.

I would rather go RT in the 2nd and take best talent available in the 1st. DeCastro or Richardson would be nice.

I forget

that some people still think we need an LT.

Well I do

get the argument that we get an upgrade at RT now, and have leverage on Albert in contract negotiations next year. So I guess I wouldn’t mind the pick. But I’m with you, we don’t need a LT unless Albert walks.

Beats taking a first round RB

Plus PAC10 baller

I got a strategy you can agree with.

Trade back and get more picks, the picks on Pac 12ers

So you're not gonna acknowledge Colorado and Utah in the conference
Would you?

According to AD it’s still the Pac 8.

Yeah he when he trys to talk shit on my Cats I just point at that '97 Championship banner

And do a little name droppin….Steve Kerr, Sean Elliot

Pac-8 for life baby!

Not the way cooler, politically incorrect ’Furd mascot:

We need to take a RT in the first.

If we can trade back and pick up another second or 3rd we can address G as well. Depends on free agency though. I’d still love to go OL then TE

Was thinking RT

But the more I read about Dontari Poe, I think I’d like a trade down and get him. If he tests out like I think at the combine, we could have that position sealed up for years.

That’s not diminishing our needs on OL but look at FA and a couple of draft choices and pray hard.

Oh he'll test well... problem is he's not that great of a football player

His physical attributes are all he has going for him. Way overhyped.

I could see Pioli making this pick.

With Alberts contract ending this year. Always thinking about the future, getting out RT upgrade immediately (and playing experience for Martin) then having a LT replacement insurance for Alberts future contract negotiations.

there's only 1 BA

Albert

Re-thinking Dontari Poe

I really had no idea Poe was that athletic. If he blows up the combine I can come around on him as a NT in the 1st round

He rarely tore it up in Memphis

I think the NFL might be a huge jump in competition for him

Exactly I guy with that physical ability should have been a man amoung boys

He’s got the physical attributes but isn’t much of a football player, big bust potential.

Nothing to do with anything, other than it boggles my mind

When I’m on ESPN.com, and I see their “Insider” piece, I can’t help but think anyone who pays to get that shit is an idiot.

I mean no disrespect if any of you do. Actually, I do, you’re an idiot.

With all the sports information available, for those scumbags to try to scrounge up a few bucks for the morons who think they’ll get “more” insight is laughable.

Go Chiefs.

I get it... because you get the ESPN the magazine as well

Good reading material for the shitter…and it’s actually useful from time to have insider access for scouting reports etc.

OK, there's the best reason I've gotten

You never get much these days to read on the crapper. Touché to you my friend.

That's why you take your lap top with you and read AP, right?
No 1st round Tackle.. RG3 or wasted draft,.
You're going to be one sad sad panda on draft day..
I have a feeling your right, and were all going to be sad panda's when # 7 starts week 1 :(
bit overdramatic reaction?
Gotta be, Pioli looks at these post and takes our comments very seriously.
You could be right.

From Day 1 Pioli has cared too much for the fans.

Good luck with that.
TRENT RICHARDSON!!!
Yea really

We should have a post on the front page about him. And a poll.

I believe we did last week my friend.

I wouldn’t mind, but addressing the RT seems more realistic

Trent Richardson.

Jamaal Charles is a 195 pound running back coming off a major knee injury who has never carried in ball more than 230 times in a season as a pro. If Trent Richardson falls to them he would be the best player available. Thomas Jones is at the end of his career and Jamaal Charles is coming off a serious injury. Running backs slide in the draft, but Richardson is a special talent and too good for Kansas City to pass on. In 2011, Richardson had 24 total touchdowns (21 rushing, three receiving). He also ran for 1,679 yards, averaging 5.9 yards per carry. Richardson caught 29 passes for 338 yards and three touchdowns as well.

There are a TON

of RB’s in Free Agency this year, but very few quality QB’s. Rather address RB in FA (Bush, Tolbert, Snelling, BJGE, Blount, etc.) and pick up RG3 and be set at QB for the next decade. In general, quality QB’s are more durable than quality RB’s anyway.

All of that is moot, however...

if we do what I want, and get Manning in FA. Then I’m down with Richardson in the first.

If not RG3, Im behind this 100%
I'm with you on RGIII
Old cigarette commercial applies

Its what’s up front that counts.

Trade down!

We should ABSOLUTELY trade down if we get the opportunity…getting an extra pick would be huge and give us more flexibility/options after the first round

Run the dang ball...

A tackle is needed, no disagreement there, however if a very good runningback is on the board, whe should take him without a second thought. The stable is pretty thin t the moment…..

RUN THE DANG BALL.....

A tackle is needed, no disagreement there, however if a very good runningback is on the board, we should take him without a second thought. The stable is pretty thin t the moment…..

It makes no difference who the RB is

if the DL is three yards into the backfield a half second after the snap because KC’s O-line SUCKS.

If you can’t convert a third and one, you don’t need a RB, you need an O-Line.

I saw Jerome Bettis try to run through Neil Smith once....

Once.

The longest rush out of the KC backfield last season....

was 34 yards, we scored 5 rushing touchdowns in 16 games.
5 touchdowns….FIVE in 16 games….five…seriously? 5?

First round picks should be used on impact players, IF that tackle can get 15 to 20 touchdowns then yeas, draft him. If not, find someone who can.

34 QB sacks

Offensive line ranked in the top half of the NFL

18 INTS
ranks the Chiefs in the bottom 3rd of the NFL

13 passing touchdowns
Only Jacksonville and St Louis were fewer

KC’s best runningback ranked 32ed in the NFL
The running attack of the KC Chiefs does not worry anyone.
A longest gain of 34 yards, and 5 touchdowns in 16 games does not worry anyone. The Chiefs averaged 13.3 points per game….31st of 32.
There is no treat from the ground…none at all. Until this team can force a defense to be honest on 1st and 2nd down, the QB is going to be a big, fat, ripe target. Last seasons team could not force any team to respect the run at all, like it or not.

Yeah JC went out for the season

He will be back, we will get a least 1 RB in FA/draft pick/UDFA, the running game will also improve when you do not have Palko at QB.

Jamaal will be back, I believe anyway

Jamall cannot do it all alone. Do not want to see another 2 games and done for the year out of him.

Rec on your Comment

the dude in charge of www.profootballfocus said on the radio the Chiefs Offensive line was pretty good (overall rank 16th in the NFL) cept for the RT play. Just cause we got to replace the RT does not garner a 1st round pick usually

It does when you see how bad our RT is

And PFF isn’t a very good site anyways, Wiegmann as a top pass protector? Hardly.

I heard that also on 610
Yeah that's where the FA/draft pick/UDFA's come in

No need to waste a 1st let alone the 11/12th pick on a RB

1st and second round pick

should be an impact player, a game changer, a player that MUST be accounted for..IF and a really big IF that is an offensive tackle..then by all means draft him. If it is a running back, draft him, a linebacker..just make it a sure as possible that the player will have a positive impact on your team.

It's kind of frustrating

We haven’t drafted a QB in the first round for what???19 years? If we don’t get one this year… we won’t have another decent pick to trade up until this generation of players starts to decline. What… 5-7 more years? Seriously… quit being fucking “smarter” than everyone else and give KC fans a QB that we can cheer for… that we can attach too. Sucks a D rooting for Matt Cassel… Thigpen…Grbac….etc etc etc

We've got The Stanzi.

Start rooting.

I agree with you. The time is now.

But who is there to get? RG3 really looks like he’s out of our range. Cleveland, Washington, and Miami all pick ahead of us and there’s no way he makes it past that gauntlet.

Tannehill is a giant question mark. So are the rest of the QBs in the draft. So is Matt Flynn, and we won’t go that road, because we already have (Matt Cassel) and it didn’t work out.

Kyle Orton is not the answer either.

Sooo… do we wait for Cassel to get injured so we can see what Stanzi’s got? Try to nab Peyton Manning perhaps? We could cross our finger for a couple years and hold our breath for a Super Bowl.

A quarterback is obviously what this team needs. But where do those come from?

I say we trade back trying to pick up as many picks for next year.

That way, we make sure we can draft one of the top guys next year which looks like a much deeper class.

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