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The Kansas City Chiefs have hired Brian Daboll as their new offensive coordinator. Daboll, 36, was most recently with the Miami Dolphins as their offensive coordinator. His connection to Romeo Crennel and Scott Pioli go back about a decade to when they were all with the New England Patriots together.
The news comes down after a multi-week search for the Chiefs new coordinator. Daboll's name was connected to the Chiefs job the last couple of weeks by NFL Network's Jason La Canfora so it's not a total surprise.
Other candidates reportedly included Al Saunders and Jim Zorn.
Daboll has been an offensive coordinator twice before -- with the Cleveland Browns and again with the Dolphins.
So now that the Chiefs have a new offensive coordinator it's time to grade how they did. Do you approve of the hiring of Daboll as the Chiefs new offensive coordinator?
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Personally I think this will end in disaster.
F250 - February 4, 2012
In Youth I Trust
A young up and come coach with some new ideas and outstanding personel . I hardly see diaster in this hire. Al is old and his time is gone.
easyjb - February 4, 2012
Pioli likes your attitude. Have you ever been to a Patriots game? If so, give him a call, he could have a job for you.
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
Um, this guy has a track record, one of fail.
I’d love to hear these new ideas he brings to the table.
F250 - February 4, 2012
fortunately a lot of talented playmakers on our offense.
SDChief - February 4, 2012
Sure, but why not put a proven coach in charge of them?
Saunders has proven repeatedly he can get the most of good players.
This other guy has plodder written all over him. But, he once was on the Patriots staff, it had to be him.
F250 - February 4, 2012
Repeatedly?
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Basically every job he's had, his squad has seen improvement.
But his time in KC the last time is all the proof I need. Do you honestly think Daboll will ever field an offense like Saunders did with Green and company?
F250 - February 4, 2012
I doubt if he'll ever have that OL, no.
Why isn’t he an OC right now, if he’s so great?
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Why wasn't Daboll, who else was interested enough to even interview him?
F250 - February 4, 2012
Jets wanted him.
But no one is calling Daboll great. We’re only saying Saunders is not the offensive genius some are making him out to be.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Plus Suanders is 100 years old
We need some young coaches as well.
Skrappy - February 4, 2012
and that was Vermeils offense
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
I don't think Saunders will ever field an offense like he did with Green and company.
He had the greatest tight end of all time, one of the greatest o-lines of all time, and a running back that could have been a fringe hall of famer had his career not been cut short by injuries. Most offensive coordinators, even the great ones, go whole careers without having offenses that good.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
Really?
No offensive coordinator has ever had a QB better than Green? A RB better than Holmes, or a WR corps better than what we had?
Not buying that.
F250 - February 4, 2012
I didn't say that, at all. In fact, that's not even remotely close to what I said.
I said he had the greatest tight end of all time (Gonzalez), arguably the greatest o-line of all time (Roaf, Shields, Waters, etc.), and an extremely great running back (Holmes). Throw in a very good QB and WR (Green and Kennison) and the end result was an amazing collection of offensive talent.
Of course Green wasn’t the best QB of all time, but that collection of offensive talent was something really special, and there are a lot of great coordinators that don’t ever end up getting that much talent on one side of the ball.
That offense was a perfect storm of coaching (not just Saunders, but Vermeil), talent, and circumstance. Saunders wouldn’t be able to re-create that offense using Matt Cassel any more than Daboll will be able to.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
Meh, so if we had hired Sanders you would have booed?
And never will you see me back Cassel. His hands were made for holding a clip board.
F250 - February 4, 2012
yes I would have booed Saunders hire
so you are willing to give Saunders a 3rd try here rather then someone new?
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
Not if the "someone new" is good....
…but obviously I don’t think he is.
I also wonder why it took so long to hire him, he wasn’t under contract, and no one else was interested. Plus the list of whom we were supposedly interested in isn’t that impressive. Tho Saunders does stand head and shoulders above these other two dwarfs.
F250 - February 4, 2012
how do you know
he hasnt had 1 single snap as OC yet with THIS team and you already say he is no good
really? if Saunders is so good why is no one interested in him, he’s still out of a job isnt he?
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
Nope. I think Saunders is a good coach.
But the Saunders as the greatest offensive coordinator hyperbole is getting a little old. Which is pretty impressive considering that Chiefs fans didn’t start getting all super-nostalgic about him until recently.
Before the last few weeks I don’t think I’d ever heard anyone credit Saunders more for the Chiefs 2003 offense than Vermeil.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
Where has Saunders done so great?
He was successful when he had arguably the greatest offensive line in the history of the NFL. He really has done nothing since. I think Chiefs fans think a lot higher of Saunders than anyone else who watches or is associated with football does.
saskwatch - February 4, 2012
Which is why he's not an OC anywhere else either.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
I respect your point
But as someone who has had some exposure to Al, I would say he’s a very impressive guy who inspires confidence in others. I like him very much and would have felt comfortable with him as OC.
KC_Satchmo - February 4, 2012
Show me examples, F2. You've been saying that all day but have nothing to cite for it.
His first year in Cleveland was an unstoppable shitpile, I remember that much. And yet McCoy looked like an NFL starter in 2010, and Hillis hit 1000 yards as a forgotten piece of trade bait…
Then he goes to Miami and makes Reggie Bush look like a running back.
2009 was painfully shitty, OK. Got it. Where else has Daboll been this “record…of fail” that you speak of?
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
If you keep polishing the turd.....
…..it might eventually shine, but guess what it still is?
McCoy has never looked like a QB anyone in their right mind would actually want.
When this guy was in charge what were the season rankings of his offenses?
F250 - February 4, 2012
I think the point is that he never had any talent and he did well in the short time he was there
If he shows constant improvement year in and year out with offenses, we might have a good hire. Coaches, just like players can get better with more experience.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
Obviously thats the attempted point some are trying to make.
And thats fine I suppose, but I’m not buying it. Do you honestly think this guy will make the Chiefs better? Its not exactly like he’s been in demand around the league.
F250 - February 4, 2012
Jets wanted him too.
And Dolphins fans wanted to keep him.
And yes, I think he’ll make the Chiefs better on offense. Then again, I think just about anyone would.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Don't agree with that, they have a few players.
F250 - February 4, 2012
Don't agree with which part?
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Not sure why is posted in that location.....
“And they’re not exactly known for their weapons”
This is what I was mildly taking umbrage to.
F250 - February 4, 2012
You think the Dolphins are known for their weapons?
Moore, Bush and Marshall had career years under Daboll.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Is it safe to say Marshall & Bowe are similar WR's?
27 years old, similar size. Neither one is the brightest crayon on the box.
Will be interesting to see what Day-Bull does with Bowe.
ExRoyalsFan - February 4, 2012
I think Bowe is a much better person and probably team mate than Brandon Marshall.
But otherwise, yeah.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
I have heard
that Bowe is widely regarded as the biggest dumb@$$ in the NFL
ExRoyalsFan - February 4, 2012
I didn't say Bowe was in Mensa.
I’m saying he was a better person and arguably a better team mate. You can be those things and still be Forrest Gump, frankly.
The point is, unlike Marshall, Bowe doesn’t regularly beat the shit out of his girlfriends. You know, allegedly.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
He just respectfully ‘imports’ them.
ExRoyalsFan - February 4, 2012
Did I say they were?
Marshall, Bush and Fasano were know as good to very good players before Daboll got a hold of them.
F250 - February 4, 2012
Marshall I'll give you. And maybe even Fasano as a "good" player.
But Bush was seen as a talented but underachieving 3rd down back/return specialist with limited utility and an inability to stay on the field.
Last season was the first time he looked even close to the type of player people thought he would be when the Saints drafted him #2 overall.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
Bush was known as an overrated non-RB
MNchiefsfan - February 4, 2012
I'm not for or against it.
I’m more meh. I’m not super excited but at the same time I’m not going to crucify the guy just yet. I can see both sides as to why this is a good hire and why this is a bad hire.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
This
MNchiefsfan - February 4, 2012
Can't get much worse at least
I predict we score more than 13 ppg next season
KC_Satchmo - February 4, 2012
Dolphins were scoring at a high clip
second half of the season. And they’re not exactly known for their weapons.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
and who knows they may have done it all
year had the lock out not kept him from installing his playbook in the offseason and gave the team more time to learn it
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
Ahh, so you're into the stats of it. I see.
Like Tyran said, it’s hard to have good numbers when your coordinating the Browns offense in your first two years as an OC. Seriously, he had fucking NOTHING in 2009, and Hillis in ’10.
I thought he was a joke when Miami hired him last year, because all I knew was how shitty his squad looked in Cleveland. But when I went to see the Chiefs-Dolphins game this fall (my wife’s first EVER game in Arrowhead)….I saw a team that had funky formations for springing their running backs anywhere…a team that had Cassel’s twin brother at QB, completing 28-yard passes…a team that hung over 30 points on RAC’s defense.
I half-ass followed the Dolphins since then, because I felt they were a cool story, and actually came out of it with a better impression of Daboll.
Going on stats alone, then, with an offense with some talent….he’s good enough to get an NFL backup QB and a good third-down back to the 22nd best “O” in the league. That seems pretty decent to me, imagine in MIA had a decent quarterback, or a runner as good as JC?
I’m holding my breath here, I think he’ll either prove to be a fucking waste or he’ll prove to be a decent to good young coach. But I approve of his hiring WAY more than I would have Zorn or Carthon….
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
Nope, not basing my opinion just on stats.
I wanted someone who is better than we’ve had in recent years, I see no reason to believe this guy is it, and obviously the league isn’t beating down his door, he’s been unemployed for close to a month.
I’m not going to get behind this just because I’m a fan of the team. In fact the more I see of Pioli and what he’s doing here the more skeptical I become.
F250 - February 4, 2012
cause the rest of the league is beating down Saunders door?
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
He's still under contract with Oakland.
F250 - February 4, 2012
But you're saying the Chiefs should have hired him, right?
Why wouldn’t that apply to the other 31 teams? Or even the Raiders themselves, for that matter.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
teams can still get permission
to interview him if they are interested in him, obviously no one is
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
Same deal with Daboll. Also under contract.
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
He hasn't been unemployed for a month. He's been just as under contract as Saunders has.
I understand your cynicism about Pioli’s moves, but don’t assume that because you don’t like a hire, it has to be a terrible one.
As I said above, Daboll might be terrible and he might be awesome. There is evidence that he’s creative and evidence that he is not—based on talent around him. Time will tell.
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
Anyone remember Jerome Harrison?
And the 286 yard, 3TD game against the Chiefs in ’09? Daboll was the coordinator then, and Harrison is a journeyman running back that has never had a full time gig anywhere.
RyFo18 - February 4, 2012
Do you remember how bad our defense was in 2009?
Daboll wasn’t the only reason Harrison lit us up in that game.
JHWK - February 4, 2012
Yeah, Dorsey was hurt that day and he was our only good run defender on the d-line.
They just kept running it right at Alex Magee.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
Bingo
The way RyFo18 is casting it, Daboll was lead blocking for Harrison on every play.
JHWK - February 4, 2012
It's still a valid point, though.
Jerome Harrison, Peyton Hillis, and now Reggie Bush have all had their best years under Daboll. It’s a pattern worth considering.
I’m willing to give the guy a chance.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
Me too
Which is convenient considering we really don’t have a choice.
KC_Satchmo - February 4, 2012
Funny that.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
No
I was by no means implying that. More to the point that he’s gotten a lot from many “castaways.” That’s probably not a appropriate label for Bush, but again, Bush had his best season under Daboll.
RyFo18 - February 4, 2012
Agreed. Who the hell is Brian daboll?
Rupert Daniels - February 4, 2012 via Android app
He's the offensive coordinator of the Chiefs.
Pay attention ;)
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
Do you have breaking news?
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Always.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
In RAC I trust.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
In Pioli I trust.
Chiefs_swagger - February 4, 2012
in God I trust, all others pay cash
oh, wait …
upamtn - February 4, 2012
The snow made it to Omaha, thanks for saving us some
nateforchiefs - February 4, 2012
I have $20 for you ups...but it's Confederate.
Hope it’s still good money where you come from :)
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
It is where I live. But, nawww ... not in Colorado.
LocoLoboChico - February 4, 2012
greened
Chief_Elmo - February 4, 2012
Especially considering RAC got his tail handed to him by Daboll this year
just sayin’
MNchiefsfan - February 4, 2012
A poll isn't needed.
Fans already gave up on Daboll and Romeo’s new staff.
If he was fired right now, and another poll came out, most of AP would approve of the fire. No respect.
Chiefs_swagger - February 4, 2012
I am tired of mediocrity
LadyChief - February 4, 2012
I'd love our offense to reach mediocrity.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Yep..............
above mediocrity would be even better!
LadyChief - February 4, 2012
True dat.
Dat will happen when Manning is signed.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
boy, stop!
upamtn - February 4, 2012
Yeah last year it wasn't mediocre so much as it was just God-awful.
mistamic - February 4, 2012
My point exactly.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
I know
I agreed with that statement.
mistamic - February 4, 2012
So is Pioli.
The coaching staff will get it done, or they won’t. They will be held accountable.
Chiefs_swagger - February 4, 2012
and that's as it should be ... coaching staff, Pioli and players
so, who do we hold most accountable? the players on the field who actually make (or don’t make) the plays and are the team? the coaches who train the players and design a game plan and call the plays? the GM who hires (or doesn’t hire) said players and coaches?
upamtn - February 4, 2012
Held accountable....How many times do we have to here that....
We need a coaching staff that can get results and win..Bring back Marty..
NFL season ticket holder - February 4, 2012
Oh lordy.
Mr.Pibbs - February 4, 2012
Mediocrity of the Chiefs offense has more to do with the QB than the OC.
saskwatch - February 4, 2012
No truer words have been spoken............
LadyChief - February 4, 2012
That's about right.
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
True
But Daboll did well in the last half of the season with Matt Moore, does that mean they think he can do something with Cassel?
Spiderwomn69 - February 4, 2012
If that's the thinking then I disapprove of the hiring.
saskwatch - February 4, 2012
That was my initial thought when I heard this
and why I voted disapprove. Time will tell, the QB decision is far greater.
Spiderwomn69 - February 4, 2012
Bull-sh!t....Don't belive me take a look back at our offense over the last few season.
2009 – Todd Haley calling the plays…4-12 record.
2010 – CW calling plays…10-6 Matt Cassel goes to the Pro-Bowl.
2011 – Back to Haley (and now Muir) calling plays…7-9, with 2 QB missing games due to injury.
This offense rises and falls with whoever the OC is…we have a good / proved OC we ROCK, we don’t and we DON’T.
DivineGrace - February 4, 2012
Is that the only possible explanation? You don't see ANY other explanation for the differences?
I’d argue that this offense rises and falls with the presence of Jamaal Charles. When we had him we ROCKED, we don’t and we DON’T.
Jamaal Charles >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charlie Weis in importance to our offense.
MNchiefsfan - February 5, 2012
Lady, how do you know that Daboll's hire automatically = mediocrity?
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
Because Matty Nice is still the QB?
LocoLoboChico - February 4, 2012
We have a winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LadyChief - February 4, 2012
Respect is earned, not given.
craig in calgary - February 4, 2012
yes and no, Craig
if one doesn’t show respect to begin with then one is being disrespectful … and that’s wrong just out of the box
upamtn - February 4, 2012
something we both agree on
respect should be given until someone demonstrates that their not worthy of it. People will often surprise you positively this way.
Chief_Elmo - February 4, 2012
BINGO!
LadyChief - February 4, 2012
Y'all buncha hippies and libs. ;=)
if one doesn’t show respect to begin with then one is being disrespectful … and that’s wrong just out of the box. respect should be given until someone demonstrates that their not worthy of it. People will often surprise you positively this way.
LocoLoboChico - February 4, 2012
yup, give respect "just because" and you'll get that earned respect in return
upamtn - February 4, 2012
Its funny anyone is talking about respect with Daboll
considering how he treated Colt McCoy in Cleveland.
Seriously though, what has Daboll done to prove he’s worthy of a 3rd OC hire in as many years? His offenses have been grossly inconsistent and even at their best, weren’t anything to write home about.
I just don’t understand how this hire is in any way merit-based.
JHWK - February 4, 2012
He’s a former Patriot. Pioli doesn’t need any more merit then that.
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
seriously dude is that going to be your reply for everything today
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
Its a combination of blind rage and lack of creativity
So yes.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
his offense average like damn near 30/game towards the end of the season
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
Try 24/game, inflating numbers to strengthen your point doesn't help anyone
and again, I’m not stating Daboll is guaranteed to fail as an OC no matter the situation. I’m simply pointing out that he doesn’t have a proven resume of success. What he has shown throughout his career is immaturity, an unwillingness to treat his players like grown men, and some occasional creativity with inconsistent production.
JHWK - February 4, 2012
???
seems everyone else besides McCoy seems to like the guy
and I didnt inflate anything thats why I said damn near 30 cause I wasnt going to waste time looking up the exact number
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
You were a TD/game over his actual average
Everyone else likes him? For some reason I find that hard to believe.
McCoy was hardly the only player calling Daboll’s “methods” over the top and extreme, even by NFL coaching standards.
JHWK - February 4, 2012
Pennington and Moore sing his praises.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
you mean like Haley's
when he whipped our fat out of shape team into shape. These are grown men getting paid alot and you are telling me they cant handle a coach yelling at them a little, c’mon
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
That's the ENTIRE POINT
It’s not just a coach “yelling at them a little.” Did you even try and read the article I linked?
JHWK - February 4, 2012
I read it a long time ago...and my take on it is below.
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
Only to McCoy
Dobt see how that article disproves what Miami say about him now, maybe Manhoni told him to act like a douche to motivate McCoy.
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
Ahh, yes. The Yahoo article relying on McCoy's book as its source.
Because asking a divorced man how life was with his ex-wife, makes the answer so objective.
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
Gee, and Colt McCoy turned into little Drew Brees once that mean ol' Brian Daboll took his show to Miami.
Oh, wait….
Sorry, but I’m not wowed by that article. Mike Silver needs to give me more than just quotes from Colt McCoy’s own book to prove that his coach’s behavior was anything other than a man trying to coach his rookie quarterback. I’m serious.
Using those quotes is no different than asking a divorced guy and his best friend what life was like for said divorcee under his ex-wife while they were together. Yup, fun conversation….
Daboll may be a horrible hire. Daboll may be an impressive hire. Neither would surprise me at this point…I’m just glad to see that we “somewhat” went out of the tree for a coach. I really saw a Zorn promotion in the works, or even a Carthon promotion….
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
McCoy's success after Daboll isn't at question
it’s Daboll’s childish attitude towards his rookie starting QB. I don’t give a shit if McCoy turns into the next Flutey or fails out of the league by the end of his rookie contract, it’s irrelevant to this discussion. Daboll couldn’t even show a modicum of respect towards his starting QB.
JHWK - February 4, 2012
Yet Matt Moore songs his praises
As do the other QBs with Miami.
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
And no other passer has had an issue with him, like that.
Who’s saying McCoy isn’t a problem child?
Maybe Daboll has an attitude, and maybe he doesn’t. I for one thought the article was intriguing and yet one-sided.
/shrugs
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
Not with me ... ya don't. So suck my socks!
LocoLoboChico - February 4, 2012
How can anyone respect yet another crony hire. We don’t need a Pioli Yes-man. We need a coach. Daboll better start keeping his eyes out for candy wrappers so he can lock up an extension.
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
Dolphins last 10 games, avg 24 a game
With a worse QB sitaution and only Marshall and Fasano as weapons, and made Reggie Bush a 1000 yard rusher. Yeah, let’s not respect that, or the Dolphins insiders/fans who actually liked em. Ignorance is all over AP today
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
He may have averaged 24/game
but they were pretty inconsistent in getting to that average. 34 one week, ten the next, etc…
JHWK - February 4, 2012
If only Muir had that kind of inconsistency.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
and what teams offense isnt inconsistent at some point
we held the Packers to what 17 after they scored 30+ every game before that, cause their OC sucks as well
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
14, actually.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Garbage OC...
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
Trash.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Sometimes I tell my wife I take it out, but I don't.
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
Liar.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Hater.
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
Lover.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
We built this city on Rock n' Roll
IPWT2009 - February 4, 2012
Damnation, I have nothing for that.
You win the internets, I go home :)
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
Well
then dont expect Pioli to ever hire youbadassz1987 - February 4, 2012
If that's your interpretation of "inconsistent"
then there’s nothing I can say here. Miami was up one week and down the next for at least the final 10 weeks of the 2011 season. They didn’t just get shut down by a good defense one week like the Packers did. 17, 31, 20, 35, 19, 34, 10, 30 in that order from weeks 8-15. Two of those 30+ games were against Buffalo’s mess of a defense. Hardly a “consistent” offense by any definition of the term.
I’m not saying he can’t succeed as an OC. I’m simply not going to look at this as a merit-based hire like so many homers would like to believe. Pioli hired Daboll because he knows him from New England, not because Daboll’s a proven offensive mind.
JHWK - February 4, 2012
better then ours was
and please tell me what NFL coach has ever been hired that didnt get hired because he already knew someone in football. NFL coaches arent just hired off the street, they all already knew someone before they ever got hired on
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
You're just full of terrible arguments today
The difference here is that Daboll doesn’t have the resume to warrant a purely merit-based hire. He just plain doesn’t have it. Sure, other coaching hires are influenced by “who you know” but those coaches also have proven track records of success that warrant their contract.
JHWK - February 4, 2012
and the only way to get a proven track record is to get a chance
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
By being a great position coach first
then getting a lucky promotion to OC where you can build that resume over the course of 3-5 years. Daboll has never done any of that. He was an average WR coach for a year, an average QB coach for year, then got an OC job from his buddy Eric Mangini where his offenses were 32nd and 29th in the league. Somehow that was parlayed into a whopping 22nd ranked offense in Miami.
Where in that resume do you see “promising young OC,” because I can’t find it anywhere.
JHWK - February 4, 2012
He was a WR coach for years, plural
A QB Coach for a couple after, and now an OC for 3years and building a solid and promosibg resume in Miami in a lame duck HC year before getting booted.
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
yes because every OC
was the best position coach in the league before they were promoted, and if you cant see a young promising OC then you arent looking hard enough through your hatred of this hire to see, guess you would rather give a 65 year old Saunders his 3rd try to get it right here huh
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
I dont think Miami's QB situation was worse (at least during the last 10 games)
Matt Moore has had enough experience as a serviceable NFL starter and didn’t look bad. Palko was horrible. It took an Orton to finally get some momentum going.
mistamic - February 4, 2012
I like it kinda
He’s a young mind that has yet to reach his coaching peak. He was really starting to do some good things in Miami despite not really having a great quarterback.
RyFo18 - February 4, 2012
same qb here
sigh. more patriots drones.
ExtraMetal - February 4, 2012
did however
like what he did w Marshall moving him all over his formations. maybe get some similar mismatch work with our skill guys.
ExtraMetal - February 4, 2012
Ditto with...
How well he was utilizing Reggie Bush. He’s going to love his new toy JC.
RyFo18 - February 4, 2012
I'll give him a chance (as if I have a choice).
I think Saunders should have been the choice.
fishhooks - February 4, 2012 via mobile
Yep
LadyChief - February 4, 2012
You do have a choice.
Chiefs_swagger - February 4, 2012
Approve!
I like the hire. over the other two Zorn & saunders! Zorn is alittle out there in my opinion, and our personel don’t match up with what saunders does.
T-Rich49 - February 4, 2012
Solid Hire
All who are hating on this hire are spouting about things they do not know. He coordinated Hillis’ one mammoth year, and turned Bush into an actual running back. When given the reins to the offense unteathered by Sparano he had Matt Moore playing like a competent quarterback.
Just because the hire isn’t Al Saunders is the reason most small minded people are hating.
Robert Chestnut - February 4, 2012
Hate talk is getting a little old.......................
LadyChief - February 4, 2012
I know, I hate it!
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
LOL!
LadyChief - February 4, 2012
yea getting pretty bad around here
i saw someone one here talking about trading in his chiefs jersey for another team, all this before the new OC he hates so much even has his first press conference
Race31x - February 4, 2012
Talking down on people with differing opinions will get you no where.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
Because negativity and hatred will get us a new OC?
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
People are upset with the hire, I can understand it
Turning on each other is where I’m saying its getting dumb. Personally I don’t see a reason to be either extreme as we haven’t even seen what he will do with this team. I’m in the middle…and hopeful.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
there ya go
upamtn - February 4, 2012
Agree............
That it what I was trying to say…………..
LadyChief - February 4, 2012
Well what do you expect?
Negativity creates more negativity, its a product of their own self-inflicted creation
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
So you're "Not Sure"?
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Exactly, I thought you would approve.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
Lets just rename it "The Tarkus Option"
nateforchiefs - February 4, 2012
Nice
must remember that one :)
Steve_Chiefs - February 4, 2012
Please don't. ;)
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Sounds right to me, I can rec this.
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
Me two!!!!!!!!!!
LadyChief - February 4, 2012
I like it ok.
If you haven’t tried reading any positive stuff about Daboll, check these out:
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/2/4/2770641/the-phinsider-discussion-on-brian-daboll#comments
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/2/4/2770845/brian-daboll-willing-to-embrace-the-unorthodox#comments
timmer - February 4, 2012
The wording on that poll is terrible.
When you ask a question “Do you like A or B” the answers shouldn’t be “Yes and No”.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
True.
But I think it’s more or less an approval poll.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Yea reading the comments clear up what they are voting on, still made me scratch my head.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
Encouraging signs...
-Fans liked him after most of a season… “the eye test”
-Willingness to fit scheme to players
-Used Bush well
-Used Hillis well
-Improved quarterbacks
timmer - February 4, 2012
now all we need is Orton and life will be good again
upamtn - February 4, 2012
there's also this from Arrowhead Addict (again, my apologies if that's not cool)
An open minded opinion of Daboll from a Dolphins fan
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 4, 2012
Good stuff.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
So that's the most encouraging thing I've read so far. Feeling even better.
timmer - February 4, 2012
The bar has been set pretty low the last few years.
The odds are this guy is going to be an improvement.
Idahochief - February 4, 2012
Bingo.
I was underwhelmed by all the candidates, but I’m still optimistic in thinking that whoever was hired is probably going to be an improvement.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Our team got better with this hire. I don't care how you slice it
RamX21 - February 4, 2012
Daboll over Muir?
Yea, no one can argue we got better.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
we got younger and that was half of what people were whining about
upamtn - February 4, 2012
At least this guy can stay awake the entire game!
Tyran - February 4, 2012
and looks like Pioli too
Steve_Chiefs - February 4, 2012
Pioli just cant seem to get out of the Patriot shadows
I’m beginning to think that we are all fools if we even think Pioli will bring in Manning, trade for franchise QB (Griffin or Luck)….or even get us big free agents in the off season. This has got to be Pioli’s put up or shut up year especially with all of the distractions this offseason that has been over the Chiefs head
ChiefsFanInTexas - February 4, 2012
Pretty Much
Three years in, we should have a pretty good view of what Pioli is. So far, I haven’t been overly impressed. He’s not the worst GM ever, but he’s also a very inconsistent evaluator of talent, he doesn’t seem to have the ability to pull in free agents, his judgment of coaching skill is questionable (not even considering the Daboll hire), and he doesn’t seem able to stray far from the Belichick-Parcells circle on his key decisions.
If this team doesn’t at the very least make the playoffs and win a playoff game, it’s probably time to be looking elsewhere for a GM.
UCrawford - February 4, 2012
Kansas City as a team and city might have some negative effect on those Free Agent hires
Steve_Chiefs - February 4, 2012
Ah, B.S.
Carl Peterson got free agents to come here. You can argue over the merits of some of them, but still he got them to show up in town. Where have we seen any indication that Pioli is able to do that here?
UCrawford - February 4, 2012
Breaston, Gregg, McClain, Siler, Gaither.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
All Free Agents With Limited Options
Two of whom were non-factors. Breaston was a good pickup as was McClain. Gregg was a warm body…an OLD warm body.
UCrawford - February 4, 2012
So now you're adding conditions.
So only high profile free agents in a huge bidding war count?
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Yeah
If a guy only comes to KC because he needs a job, that’s not really much work on the GM’s part, is it?
UCrawford - February 4, 2012
well yeah
maybe Pioli should go throw like $100mil at Haynesworth maybe that would make some people happy cause you know only the really high priced free agents signings produce any results
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
Siler was a non-factor due to injury. Gaither was a non-factor due to Haley. He started immediately for the Chargers.
You can’t really blame Pioli for either of those.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
I Don't Blame Him For Gaither
But let’s not kid ourselves into thinking that we were in a bidding war over most these guys.
UCrawford - February 4, 2012
Nope. And if that's your definition of being successful in free agency, I agree that Pioli is going to continue to disappoint you.
As a rule he doesn’t like to over pay for guys, which means that, as a rule, he doesn’t like to enter bidding wars for guys. He vastly prefers to find deals in free agency. But most of the guys he brings in for visits do seem to end up as Chiefs. It’s not like the Chiefs were reportedly going after Nnamdi Asomugha and failed to reel him in, it’s that they never targeted him in the first place.
Now maybe that makes him an idiot, I don’t know. But I do think it’s important to differentiate between not being able to bring in big name/big money free agents, and intentionally not doing so.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
But that doesnt matter
Do you see any of the best teams in the league go into bidding wars for players? Packers? Steelers? Ravens? Patriots? Saints? Giants? Nope.
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
and the free agents that Carl brought here
that you speak of were any different, no they only came here cause their careers were near over and no one else wanted them
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
Mike Goff baby
Mike Goff
KC_Satchmo - February 4, 2012
goff played what 2 plays
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
Championship!
KC_Satchmo - February 4, 2012
Pioli heard Haley loves golf.
He simply got confused.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
That's kind of where I'm at....he has a couple of years before I completely lose my cool however.
I give Pioli a half a point of credit for hiring Daboll, though, because he could have just waited for any Patriot off of the staff once the SB is over.
Remember, Daboll willingly left Patriot Island for the Jets (to coach wide receivers, then QB’s, for Evil Mangini and Brian Schotty). Then, he took his game with Eric Manboobs to Cleveland…the results there weren’t great, although I do recall he got a lot of miles out of McCoy and Hillis in 2010. Then, he picks up the Henning version of the Erhardt offense in Miami, and works some magic with Moore and Bush…
Red Hot Scott and the Patriot Way Band need this single to chart, that’s for sure. Otherwise I think the record label will cut them off sooner rather than later.
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
Yup
Without a playoff win, I’m giving Pioli two more years, unless the team regresses this coming season. If they take a step backwards, no point in wasting another season on him.
UCrawford - February 4, 2012
dude i can't believe its been 18 years since our last playoff win
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
Way I See It
A GM deserves to be fired three seasons after his last playoff win or two after his last playoff appearance. This keeping a GM who doesn’t produce crap in KC is unacceptable.
UCrawford - February 4, 2012
peyton manning would fix alot of things for the chiefs, as well as a great pr move for the chiefs
the stadium would be full if manning comes, that means money for clark hunt. He’s not stupid.
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
I Wouldn't Hold My Breath
I don’t see us beating out the Cardinals and their ability to give him Larry Fitzgerald as a target.
UCrawford - February 4, 2012
we got more to offer and more weapons than the cards
don’t do an emmitt smith and go to the cards
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
If He Performs Like Emmitt Did In Arizona
I’m fine with the Cards getting him. Apparently Manning’s agent isn’t denying that Manning hasn’t recovered his arm strength.
UCrawford - February 4, 2012
dude if i'm manning i'm willing to givr up the dough to go some where to win a super bowl vs going some where for the money and no shot at the super bowl
kc has that to offer manning, if healthy we got a legit shot at getting manning. his agent tom condon is a former chief, doesn’t mean much but u never know.
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
Of course, using that standard, you would have brought in a new GM for the Patriots after last year.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
Super Bowls Change That Dynamic
As does a long streak of 10 win seasons.
UCrawford - February 4, 2012
Manning is not coming here. Everytime we get our hopes up on bringing someone good in, we get a former Patriot instead.
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
So we're getting Brady then? I'll take it.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
Look on the bright side. At least he's a student of the game..
ExRoyalsFan - February 4, 2012
He already has Haley's playbook!
So at least there will be some continuity.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Careful, APers will think that's real!
Chiefs_swagger - February 4, 2012
rec'd
Chief_Elmo - February 4, 2012
Upgrade over Muir
I approve
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
this
Race31x - February 4, 2012
Upgrade & Early
Done early enough so we can have a full off-season with the new OC.
Elmo approves.
Chief_Elmo - February 4, 2012
Upamtn grandmother would have been an upgrade over Muir.
DivineGrace - February 4, 2012
Why we didn't get a proven (Al) OC blows me away
ChiefsFanInTexas - February 4, 2012
I don't know the reasons
but here a couple of possibilties:
-Al hasn’t had amazing success in all aspects of offense in recent years
-He runs a considerably different system.
timmer - February 4, 2012
-All three of our top positions would have 65 year old coaches.
-Raiders might have wanted a draft pick to hire him.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
top 3?
we only have 2 of 3 filled
upamtn - February 4, 2012
Crennel is DC too
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
but you can't count the same guy's age twice
in this case you have to cut it in half … thus giving us one the youngest triumvirates in the NFL
upamtn - February 4, 2012
I said all three of the top positions.
That means the team would probably be a few years away from completely starting over. Just because one guy occupies two of the positions doesn’t change that.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
right, so now we have a young guy at OC who might be the guy they want after Crennel
would anyone be surprised if that happened in 3 years?
upamtn - February 4, 2012
Nope. In fact I'm almost 100% certain that's the plan.
If Pioli and Romeo don’t get themselves fired, Daboll will be the next HC.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
The guy seems headed in that direction
He was a defensive back in college, and apparently has a tremendous knowledge of how defenses are run. He’s now been both a WR coach and a QB coach before becoming an OC. His knowledge of both sides of the ball should translate well toward being a HC some day. If he has success here in KC, that seems like an inevitability really.
cheapham - February 4, 2012
Huh, good to know he not only played ball
but he played on the other side of the ball. I agree that should give him a bit more insight since he’s personally been on D before.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
Chad Pennington
says he “”http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2011/01/17/chad-pennington-says-he-learned-so-much-from-new-dolphins-oc-brian-daboll-and-vows-to-make-one-last-comeback-attempt/" >learned so much" from Daboll about diagnosing defenses and responding accordingly. That’s pretty valuable if you ask me.
cheapham - February 4, 2012
oops, here's the article
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2011/01/17/chad-pennington-says-he-learned-so-much-from-new-dolphins-oc-brian-daboll-and-vows-to-make-one-last-comeback-attempt/
cheapham - February 4, 2012
If that happens
it will mean they’ve been pretty successful, so I hope so.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
I'm confused
You used math and big words when is His Royal Greatness is in alcohol recovery.
His Royal Greatness - February 4, 2012
^^^ This ^^^
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
There hasn't been enough attention given to this
Saunders was under contract with the Raiders so we don’t know that they would have let us hire him (or hire him without compensation).
timmer - February 4, 2012
Nick Wright said yesterday he was hearing that Pioli was only interviewing Saunders as a favor to Clark Hunt, and that the plan was never to actually hire him.
I have absolutely no idea if that’s true or not, but obviously it’s a possibility.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
what? how dare Wright possibly be Right
certainly a possibility, even likely
upamtn - February 4, 2012
Oh, I'm certainly not accusing him of making it up.
I’m just not 100% guaranteeing that “what he heard” was correct. I can’t think of a single time Wright was ever proven to have “made up” anything.
He’s a bit sensationalist at times and has one hell of an ego, but the man definitely has his sources and usually seems to be right when he breaks a Chiefs story.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
Because Nick Wright has never made anything up.
Ever.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
you mean he's never been accurate or truthful?
upamtn - February 4, 2012
Oh he has
I just trust his insider information about as much as some random meth head yelling random gibberish on the street. I still follow him though as its interesting nonetheless.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
It wouldn’t shock me. Can’t wait til we fire this a-hole.
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
No, no, you have it all wrong. Fixed.
Nick Wright said yesterday he was hearing that Pioli was only interviewing Saunders as a favor to
Clark HuntKirk Ferentz, and that the plan was never to actually hire him.neiowakcfan - February 4, 2012
Al's system is also very complicated
I heard like 700 pages or something
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
-
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
AND
Chiefs_swagger - February 4, 2012
Don't mock the spud.
Idahochief - February 4, 2012
that there tater be wreck'd
upamtn - February 4, 2012
The guru?
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
I have no problem with Brian Daboll per se.
He has an underwhelming resume, but he’s had some underwhelming rosters to work with lately.
I do have a problem with the way this football team in being constructed. I hate how most major hires have to be off the friggin Parcells, or more speciffically the Bilichick coaching tree. We have an owner trying to create the steelers, a GM trying to create the patiots, and no one wanting to forge our own path.
Trying to recreate the Patiots without Craft, Bilichick and Brady is laughable.
Patiots have an owner who states he is going to lose money this year, but winning is more important than making money. Since Lamar past away, we’ve been in the bottom 4 or 5 of payroll every year, and the product on the field has been reflected.
Bilichick might go down as one of the finest football minds of all time and how he’s constantly turned over his roster while consistantly winning 10+ games and playoff births is amazing. Brady is a once in a lifetime gem who might be the greatest QB of all time and found in the 6th round. Pioli seems to think he can also win using a late round draft pick and a bunch of cute drafts, but we all now are finding out who the real brain trust in New England was. There is no Patriot Way to recreate. They just have a great owner, a true football genius and one of the great draft steals of all time. Recreatign the patiot way without those 3, is laughable and a rediculous way to build a football team.
When is the last time anyone did anything great while trying to recreate something a better man did before them?
Anyways, Daboll may be fine, he might suck, I’m just tired of trying to assemble all the parts to be the patriots when we are missing the only 3 that actually matter
craig in calgary - February 4, 2012
Rec as this is exactly how I feel.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
Rec'd
LadyChief - February 4, 2012
See constructive criticism
Not just a constant stream of hatred and negativity. But an actual well thought out post.
Total rec-age.
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
Great Gripe
Private Jackson: Sir… I have an opinion on this matter.
Captain Miller: Well, by all means, share it with the squad.
Private Jackson: Well, from my way of thinking, sir, this entire mission is a serious misallocation of valuable military resources.
Captain Miller: Yeah. Go on.
Private Jackson: Well, it seems to me, sir, that God gave me a special gift, made me a fine instrument of warfare.
Captain Miller: Reiben, pay attention. Now, this is the way to gripe. Continue, Jackson.
Private Jackson: Well, what I mean by that, sir, is… if you was to put me and this here sniper rifle anywhere up to and including one mile of Adolf Hitler with a clear line of sight, sir… pack your bags, fellas, war’s over. Amen.
Private Reiben: Oh, that’s brilliant, bumpkin. Hey, so, Captain, what about you? I mean, you don’t gripe at all?
Captain Miller: I don’t gripe to you, Reiben. I’m a captain. There’s a chain of command. Gripes go up, not down. Always up. You gripe to me, I gripe to my superior officer, so on, so on, and so on. I don’t gripe to you. I don’t gripe in front of you. You should know that as a Ranger.
Private Reiben: I’m sorry, sir, but uh… let’s say you weren’t a captain, or maybe I was a major. What would you say then?
Captain Miller: Well, in that case… I’d say, “This is an excellent mission, sir, with an extremely valuable objective, sir, worthy of my best efforts, sir. Moreover… I feel heartfelt sorrow for the mother of Private James Ryan and am willing to lay down my life and the lives of my men – especially you, Reiben – to ease her suffering.”
Mellish: [chuckles] He’s good.
Private Caparzo: I love him.
[they make mocking kissy-faces at each other]
Steve_Chiefs - February 4, 2012
This needs to be the greenest green in the history of greens.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
Belichick
Coaching record with Brady (11 seasons): 134-42 (76%)
Coaching record without Brady (6 seasons): 41-55 (43%)
RyFo18 - February 4, 2012
so all we need is a 6th Round QB out of Michigan ...
upamtn - February 4, 2012
Chad Henne?
Oops, drafted too high.
cheapham - February 4, 2012
ha
upamtn - February 4, 2012
Why not
Daboll Knows Henne
Steve_Chiefs - February 4, 2012
Elvis Grbac?
Oops, drafted too high.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Its sad I'd gladly take Grbac or Bono over Cassel....
Tyran - February 4, 2012
OMG
did you type that?
Steve_Chiefs - February 4, 2012
I know, I need to step away from the edge.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
Elvis Grbac is a disgrace to humanity.
Disclaimer: I have an irrational hate for Elvis Grbac.
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
And apparently an irrational hate for humanity
why do you assume that bag of puss is human?
KC_Satchmo - February 4, 2012
Thanks Satch, for having my back.
I knew my loathing for that fuckstick was well-placed.
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
I should probably retract what I said about Grbac
Even though it wasn’t his decision, he was who we put in instead of Gannon and lead to Gannon leaving KC. Things could be so much different if we elevated Gannon as our starter for good that year….
Tyran - February 4, 2012
really great comment
big matt - February 4, 2012
Um, have you seen Tom Brady dance?
neiowakcfan - February 4, 2012
craig i need a parlay for sunday
i need your super bowl lock of the year.
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
Heh.
As opposed to his other Super Bowl picks? ;)
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
I heard he lost his shirt a few weeks ago
but I figured he going to bury his book this week . Can’t say casino, because they never lose
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
Reading this brought a tear to my eye.
Rec’d sir.
mistamic - February 4, 2012
boo sb nation app doesn't show the poll
njchiefs - February 4, 2012 via Android app
27% approve 41% disapprove 31% not sure as of now
Race31x - February 4, 2012
I don't know what is going on in the picture for this thread....
but I nominate it for the next caption this.
dragon6172 - February 4, 2012
"Hold me, like you did by the lake on Naboo."
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
LOL I have to rec this for the hilarious Star Wars reference.
God Lucas is terribad with “love stories”. Yuck.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
Rec'd
LadyChief - February 4, 2012
I'm not so sure that's a golf ball in his pocket...
ExRoyalsFan - February 4, 2012
Where's the creepy Pedobear pic when we need it?
Just a photo of him, wide-eyed in the corner…
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
Ask and you shall receive....
Brad Childress
KC_Satchmo - February 4, 2012
Creepier part is, he's now CLE's offensive coordinator.
bringing his “kick-ass offense” to The Lake….
Wow, this Daboll hire is looking better and better, isn’t it? Ugh.
go_saleaumua - February 4, 2012
It's like picking a Presidential Nom
I voted for Not-Zorn, Not-Childress and Not-Hue Jackson and wound up with this Daboll guy.
KC_Satchmo - February 4, 2012
Really, I thought he got a job driving the polar express.
saskwatch - February 4, 2012
I can't honestly say that I'm terribly enthused by this hire.
But, despite the fact that he hasn’t yet lit the world on fire as a coordinator, he has clearly done at least some good things. And there has to be a reason people keep giving him jobs, right?
I’m skeptical, but willing to give this thing a fair shot.
That being said, our QB situation is going to have a lot to do with whether he succeeds or fails. I’m not sure that there’s any offensive coordinator out there that can make Matt Cassel look good against good defenses, and I’m not sure there’s any offensive coordinator out there that can screw up with Peyton Manning under center. We’ll need a rookie or someone like Kyle Orton to have any real idea of Daboll’s proficiency in the passing game.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
That's the thing
You can’t just say “Oh he sucks because his offenses sucked while he was an OC” or “He rules because his offenses ruled”, the roster plays a way bigger part than the coaching. Mike McCarthy got the GB HC job and has been one of the finest coaches in football, after being the OC of the 30th (or something) ranked offense in San Fran.
craig in calgary - February 4, 2012
True dat.
For example, I am not at all worried about Daboll’s impact on our running game as long as Charles is healthy next year. I could probably call successful running plays for Jamaal Charles, and I’m an idiot.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
I think we're collectively guilty for over-romanticizing the other options
Saunders hasn’t had amazing seasons recently.
Zorn didn’t prove a lot when he had more responsibilty than being a position coach.
timmer - February 4, 2012
Technically, Daboll has more experience as an OC than Zorn
That’s kind of a big deal given how hands off Crennel plans on being with the offense.
cheapham - February 4, 2012
True. Another good thing to consider.
timmer - February 4, 2012
Over-romanticizing / Over-reacting?
Tyran - February 4, 2012
no never
Race31x - February 4, 2012
The Raiders had the 9th overall offense last year
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
Thanks to....wait for it....
Hue Jackson.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
And hired a new OC this year
not named Al Saunders.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
dude seriously
Saunders hasnt done shit since he was here with Vermeil, and yes it was Vermeils offense those years, remember the same one he had in St when Saunders was never the OC there, so get over it, Saunders has never been that good either
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
I just hope this isn't a Rerun.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Gets funnier and funnier
GenericBrand - February 4, 2012
Green it people!
LadyChief - February 4, 2012
Done
His Royal Greatness - February 4, 2012
Yayyyy!!
Everyone settle down. He used to be a Patriot! It’s gonna be great!!
IDChop - February 4, 2012 via mobile
I like the hire, but my concern is that thismeans Matt Moore is the competition for Cassel.
I don’t care if we just signed Bill Walsh as OC, the current NFL is a QB driven league, and whether you like it or not, the perennial competitors all have good to great QB’s.
saskwatch - February 4, 2012
This is exactly what I'm thinking
Daboll convinced Pioli that Matt Moore can be ‘competition’ for Cassel, and Pioli wanted the media to know about all this ‘competition’ that will be coming in.
ExRoyalsFan - February 4, 2012
Matt Moore vs Matt Cassel
The Special Olympics of the NFL.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
Needs Matt Leinart to complete the trifecta.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
RAC City or Matt City?
ExRoyalsFan - February 4, 2012
Medioc City
LadyChief - February 4, 2012
without looking it up, I'm guessing
there were 15 or so NFL teams between 7-9 and 9-7. Maybe more.
One reason the “great” Patriots were 12-4 or whatever, is because they played mediocrity all year long. The first time they played a team above mediocrity, they were a dropped/defended TD pass from being booted from the playoffs.
The margin between the Chiefs “mediocrity” and the Patriots “greatness” is really thin.
neiowakcfan - February 4, 2012
I'm just gonna say it. Matt Moore > Matt Cassel.
Now I’m not saying that we should bring in Moore, because I’d rather see one of several other routes taken at QB (ideally Manning or a highly drafted rookie) but that’s not looking terribly likely.
I was big on the Matt Moore bandwagon last year, saying that he looked good filling in for Jake Delhomme a couple of years ago and that he didn’t get a fair shake once the Panthers took Jimmy Clausen. I kept saying we should bring him in as our backup and almost no one agreed with me.
Then the Dolphins signed him, Henne went down, and, low and behold, he looked pretty good. He’s clearly not an elite, franchise, quarterback of the future kind of guy. And that’s what we need. But I do think he’s better than Cassel, so I wouldn’t hate the move. I think we should be aiming a lot higher, but I have to be realistic and admit that we could also aim a hell of a lot lower.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
I might not argue that he is better than Cassel, but still not good enough IMO.
saskwatch - February 4, 2012
Moore isn't a bad QB.
He’s just not the superstar QB that we all desire.
mistamic - February 4, 2012
What wad RAC looking for?
Brian Daboll !!
1. Someone he knew and trusted.
2. A creative play caller who had no set system.
3. OC who knew how to attack different defences.
4. A small learning curve for his offensive players.
5. A OC who had sucess with very average QB’s & had experience working with QB’s.
6. A OC who could get all his playmakers involved in every game, thus a better chance for sucess!
T-Rich49 - February 4, 2012
Indeed
Look at the premium that Crennel places on gameplanning and implementing the proper scheme to deal with each different opponent. Our offenses the past three years have generally lacked creativity, and lacked any semblance of a game plan per se. One of Daboll’s strengths seems to be his emphasis on strategy, taking advantage of opponents’ weaknesses, and using your own strengths creatively. We haven’t seen anything like that in KC for YEARS. That alone will be a breathe of fresh air.
cheapham - February 4, 2012
I have read several reports that Daboll isn’t good @ making adjustments if the original gameplan isn’t working.
ExRoyalsFan - February 4, 2012
At least we're used to that.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Consistency is key
ExRoyalsFan - February 4, 2012
Well said!
timmer - February 4, 2012
You just described Al Saunders. Brian Dabolls decription would be.
1. A Failure at his former job.
2. A failure at the job before that.
3. A Patriot.
4. A Patriot? Where do we sign?!
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
I think "failure at his former job" is being a bit harsh, don't you?
The Dolphins offense was looking pretty good by about midway through last year. They certainly bitch-slapped our defense at Arrowhead. And it wasn’t like Daboll was doing it with Tom Brady and Adrian Peterson, he had Matt Moore and Reggie Bush.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
not to mention it was his 1st year there
and with the lock out no time to install his playbook in the offseason, so I would say he did a pretty good job in Miami last year
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
22nd overall offense? 20th overall scoring offense? Some of us have higher standards. Like Al Saunders who was better in both aspects last year
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
Except Al wasnt the one calling the plays
badassz1987 - February 4, 2012
Broken record is broken.
I’d try to reason with logic but I don’t think that will work.
Nothing is 100% so we’ll see how this pans out during the season.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
if he was so good then why the hell were
the Raiders so quick to get rid of him as OC, oh yeah thats right cause it wasnt him calling the plays
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
Shhh he's immune to facts.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
yeah I know
facts aren’t “The Patriot Way”
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
At this point I can't approve of the hire.
Guy doesn’t have a good resume. Had three jobs in three years. Isn’t proven. This is a real let down hire, and it seems to have other implications (like the talk of QB competition may just be smokescreen).
bossmanham - February 4, 2012
Why?
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Daboll not a sexy hire for #Chiefs, but Matt Cassel has had his best 2 NFL seasons in offenses just like his. Pioli going all in on Cassel.
bossmanham - February 4, 2012
Okay.
But that’s not anyone on the Chiefs saying that.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
agreed
I think you have to give them the benefit of the doubt on the QB competitiion and see what transpires.
GenericBrand - February 4, 2012
Yeah, I know...
It’s just an underwhelming pick. I hope I’m wrong. Heck, I hope that if we are stuck with Cassel, this guy can can make him look like Matt Moore did. I just don’t know if I can expect it.
bossmanham - February 4, 2012
I think any pick would have been underwhelming.
Including Saunders, who is probably overrated by most of us.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
WHY WHY WHY!!! TRYING TO WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND THIS!!!
you know i dont have beef w/ Daboll im willing to give him a chance, but what kills me an this happens everytime. I’m soo tired of this Pioli connection crap the only thing that has come good from that is RAC, other than that i’ve not been amazed at our pioli connections nothing really stands out an says holy shit now thats a team. Now w/ that why in the hell couldnt we have gotten saunders? i mean is it really that hard to understand we are not building a nucleor bomb its just hiring a OC. AL has a track record that stands out above an beyond anyone, working w/ Marty having good years under him, working with trent green, working with Dick vermil an so on an so forth… i just dont understand how hard this choice can be. if this turns bad all i got to say is this pioli connection better be the last one ever brought up! I’M WILLING TO GIVE THIS A CHANCE DIE HARD CHIEF’S FAN ALL THE WAY!!!!!
dallas_MO - February 4, 2012
AL is also under contract still
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
and how do we know that the Raiders would let him come to KC
maybe they wanted draft picks or something to let him come here
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
I don't care one way or another now who gets hired because I've accepted the fact that this is just what this operation does.
If the guy is good, then great and if it’s another failed idea then all these clowns will probably be ridden out of town anyway so worst case scenario(i would hope)is one more year of mediocre crap.
What I really don’t get is Romeo. He seemed to be greatful for the opportunity to change his fortunes and put his failed head coaching attempt behind him. So why would you bring in people from your faled experience? Wouldn’t you try to seperarte yourself from that as much as possible? Also he wanted a cooridinator that could handle the entire offensive operatiion so that he could focus on the defense and general head coaching duties. What has this guy done to make him think that he’s the guy who can do this?
It’s an uninspiring hire because it was predictably predictable. Just when the excitement around this team was starting to build again they take another couple of steps back with Daboll.
GenericBrand - February 4, 2012
From his failed experience?
The last time Daboll and Crennel were together they won super bowls
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
Well yeah, if you want to measure success that way.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
But I mean who does that?
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
Certainly not Chiefs fans.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Hahaha rec
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
Anyone know what time they're having the presser?
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
-iron
LadyChief - February 4, 2012
One thing about this hire that does interest me.
The Dolphins last year were pushing hard to geet Orton but balked at the price. You would think the OC would be in on that “want”. Now that he’s here, maybe Orton is more in play then he was before because now he would have Crennels support and a guy that coveted having him last offseason.
GenericBrand - February 4, 2012
Will Daboll have any influence on
what the Clarks & Pioli wants to do?
ExRoyalsFan - February 4, 2012
I would think they'd listen.
RAC seems to want Orton too.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
so
HC + DC + OC = 3 to 1 for Orton
Steve_Chiefs - February 4, 2012
Mabe, mabe not.
But if they were being straight when saying there would be competition at QB then I would think Orton would become an even stronger candidate now.
GenericBrand - February 4, 2012
Unless they are talking about Matt Moore being the competition
after deciding to go w/ Daboll
ExRoyalsFan - February 4, 2012
I think it's an interesting observation... we'll see what happens.
timmer - February 4, 2012
Exactly what I was thinking when I saw that hire as well as that Josh Mcdaniels was a defensive coaching assistant when Crennel was the Pats DC .
So there is a lot of information on Orton that has probably been passed .Josh McDaniels has coached both Orton and Matt. Daboll obviously probably checked out Orton on tape last offseason when the Dolphins were interested and Romeo and Pioli got a chance to be around him for the last month of or so of the season .
It will be interesting to see what the decision is .
Willie Beamon - February 4, 2012
Yep, and that's why
Peyton will follow Caldwell, I’ve been told.
neiowakcfan - February 4, 2012
I don't think I've ever been so NOT excited about a coaching hire for this team.
I love RAC, think he’ll do well here as the head coach, but I really feel like his supporting staff blows. In Pioli I have never trusted (Cassel trade), now I don’t even more.
5280ChiefsFan - February 4, 2012
So you were more excited for Muir?
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Well at least Muir was already on our staff and knew the system.
He was awful though, that is for sure.
5280ChiefsFan - February 4, 2012
At a major position
that one took the cake for me
Ochophosphate - February 4, 2012
Yeah.
At least Daboll doesn’t have to do much to look better.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
From the Phinsider and Tarkus's new sig (although I liked his last sig better)
Chiefs_swagger - February 4, 2012
It's interesting that I keep hearing conflicting reports
It sounds like the players loved him in MIA and hated him in CLE
ExRoyalsFan - February 4, 2012
Maybe Colt McCoy really is a pussy
as someone in another thread suggested.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
in boots
ExRoyalsFan - February 4, 2012
Or maybe Daboll is still evolving.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Indeed
There’s also the whole Mangini being a jackass thing as well. Daboll may have been following orders…who knows.
cheapham - February 4, 2012
Daboll evolves into McCarthy?
Please.
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
Now we just need Stanzi to evolve into Rodgers.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
And Matt Cassel will evolve
into Matt Flynn? The circle of life I suppose.
cheapham - February 4, 2012
Flashback to the Lion King and "The circle of life" in London's West End.
Amazing!
Chiefs_swagger - February 4, 2012
Wrong reference
Stanzi evolves into Tom Brady
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
Had to be done.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
And an endorsement from McCLain too
Which is probably good for us. He’s a guy I’d like to see re-signed.
GenericBrand - February 4, 2012
I'll be the omptimist, I approved
Watched alot of Dolphins games this year(fantasy purposes, and no that doesn’t make me more knowledgable or anything), but after that Giants game they seemed to finally show up to the NFL season. Last 10 games the offense averaged 24 points a game, pretty damn good if you ask me. Reggie had a damn good season, makes me think he could do wonders with JC. And let’s be real, their QB situation was worse than ours this year, even with Marshall and Fasano. I don’t care about his time elsewhere, I mean come on. Who were his weapons in Cleveland, none, and it doesn’t help having shit weapons and taking on the Steelers and Ravens twice a year. I’m entrigued what this guy can bring with the talent we have right now and pieces we can add in the offseason.
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
I went with Approve
But wanted to do the Undecided. I approved because I’m giving the benefit of the doubt to Romeo and Pioli. BUT, this might be the last time I extend that benefit to them. As you can tell, I’m not excited but very hopeful.
cowboyChief - February 4, 2012
Alls I know
Good friend of mine is a big Phins fan so he pays a helluva lot more attention to them than I do. We’ve discussed Daboll several times this offseason and he had great things to say about him. He really liked what he did with the team this year and was very much hoping that they would retain his services going forward.
He likes the move, so I like the move – Approved. Until I start seeing things that convince me otherwise.
Let’s go Daboll. Make this shit work.
Ochophosphate - February 4, 2012
more from the Phinsider
Chiefs_swagger - February 4, 2012
He was the right fit for our team.
Saunders would have been sweet but he’s super old, we don’t have the right QB for his scheme, and he’s not close (as far as I know) with any of the Chiefs staff.
Zorn has almost no coordinator experience and we’re better off keeping him as QB coach.
Daboll has worked with Pioli and Crennel before. He’s young. He improved Miami’s offense last year despite not having a QB. I approve of the hire.
Vince D - February 4, 2012
more from AA
Chiefs_swagger - February 4, 2012
Reading that whole piece moved me from "I'm ok with this" to "I think I'm even excited about this"
timmer - February 4, 2012
Same here
cheapham - February 4, 2012
I think for me the disappointment isnt necesarily in the guy but moreso in the system
We’ve given this Weis/McHoodie ish the ol’ college try and it wouldve been nice to see something new. I guess we’ll wait and see.
GenericBrand - February 4, 2012
Isn't this something new
I thought he was more west coast offense?
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
From everything I've read he isnt that far off from what Weis was doing and that was part of the reason they see this as a good hire
GenericBrand - February 4, 2012
He fits the scheme to the players he has
We havent had that since Gailey
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
Yep
I’m genuinely excited to see what he does with our offensive weapons, which are aplenty going into next year.
cheapham - February 4, 2012
Good ... then I hope he goes to some form of a modified spread
To maximize Matty’s effectiveness. Matty looked best out of the shotgun for the Pat’s back in ’08. I think some form of the spread would be good for Dex too.
LocoLoboChico - February 4, 2012
The Thigbone?
The Spread Offense is for dummies.
neiowakcfan - February 4, 2012
That's what he said.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Uhhh ... What in the hell does a spread O per se have to do with Thigbone?
1) Thiggie and Gailey aren’t here anymore.
2) Do you realize there are many versions of the spread, and with their accompanying modifications?
3) So you’re calling Tom Brady a dummy? Drew Brees is a dummy? Maybe Matt Stafford is? But I don’t know enough about him personally to say he is or isn’t; so that wouldn’t be fair to him.
4) Maybe I am a dummie?
5) But maybe you are too?
Now go stick your tongue in a wall socket. Have a nice day! :+)
LocoLoboChico - February 4, 2012
how does this make since
RAC is running the defense (which I’m fine with that) so RAC will have little time or input on offense. So we pick an OC that has little to no experience to take the helm at OC. If this doesn’t work out I wouldn’t hold RAC accountable as much as Pioli. Pioli is the general manager or overseer of our beloved Chiefs. Anyway you cut Pioli is responsible.
Starick58 - February 4, 2012
Little to no experience?
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
but the HC hires his staff, so how is he not responsible for this and Pioli is?
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
Like the hire = RAC responsible
Hate the hire = Pioli responsible
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
got it
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
Ha!
Nailed it.
neiowakcfan - February 4, 2012
I'm not in love with the Daboll hire, but I'm not sure where you're getting "little to no experience" from.
He’s been an offensive coordinator for two other teams. How much more experience do you want?
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
doesnt Saunders have like 105 years experience
I mean he is old and alot of people on here who hated this hire that seems to be who they wanted
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
WHERE'S AL???
ISN’T GREG KNAPP OAKLAND’S NEW OC?
dallas_MO - February 4, 2012
This has been one of the most potentially therapeutic threads I've ever seen on AP.
Not everyone is going to like the hire. However, it seems to me that a fair number of people who voted “do not approve” or “not sure” should be encouraged by quotes from Miami fans and the some well-though rationale by posters here. I think there’d be a boost in the “I approve”s after reading through this thread.
timmer - February 4, 2012
"and some well-thought rationale"
timmer - February 4, 2012
You would think
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
This
And I think no matter how unispiring this hire is(and Im in that group), it’s done so you might as well sit back and see what happens before you get too riled up about it. I think this is the first time I’ve ever voted “not sure” on a poll. And I hope all the people who picked approve are right.
GenericBrand - February 4, 2012
ditto
Steve_Chiefs - February 4, 2012
Does that mean brady quinn and butch davis are coming to kc
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
I like this hire.
kc-twitch - February 4, 2012
got to give daboll the benefit of the doubt, lets see what he can do, He might of learned from his mistakes and is on the up swing.
My choice would of been saunders, but I’ll give daboll a shot.
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
All the Miami fans ive seen say this is a great hire
And he actually has experience with crappy offense and in the case of Miami legitimizing them.
Definitely warming up to this hire the more I learn about this guy, now Pioli fix this damn offensive line already.
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
Ah, crap. He's a screamer.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_colt_mccoy_browns_brian_daboll_112411
XianDave - February 4, 2012
McCoy seems to be the lone dissenter
when it comes to Daboll and his coaching. Read that story before, and it sounds pretty awful. But, the Miami players and lots of others have had nothing but praise for the guy. Seems like Daboll was really hard on McCoy, and he took it very personally.
Still, McCoy performed his best when with Daboll.
cheapham - February 4, 2012
Weis was hard on Cassel.
That turned out pretty well.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Well said
cheapham - February 4, 2012
And Pioli has a hard-on for him
Which, when coupled with this latest hire is why this offense will suck forever.
SCKSChief - February 4, 2012
In Miami hes got nothing but praises
Incliding from the QB Matt Moore
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
+Chad Pennington
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
One more thing
Pioli undoubtedly has his faults. Perhaps RAC and Daboll will be mistakes. However. the hiring of Daboll seems like evidence to me that the Chiefs are doing what they honestly think is best for the team (their thinking, for sure, could be wrong). Sometimes we might feel like things would be better if decisions were made by a democratic vote of the fans. However, I like the fact that after interviewing several candidates, they’re picking somone who isn’t a fan favorite for the position. At the very least, it means they’re not just trying to make the most number of fans happy, sell tickets in the short term, and “only be about the money.”
timmer - February 4, 2012
I fail to see how “Are you affiliated with the Patriots in any way?” is what’s best for the team? Its what’s best for Piolis ego.
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
From the Palm Beach Post
Chiefs_swagger - February 4, 2012
Cool to hear the Saban endorsements of the guy
Granted, it sounds like that was from much earlier in his career. Even so, having a guy like Nick Saban in your corner is a pretty big deal.
cheapham - February 4, 2012
ok, new poll…….josh mcd or daboll?
kc571 - February 4, 2012
I think people would have been suicidal if we got McD.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
Moreso than they already are?
A lot of people here wanted McHoodie, though a lot of people hated the idea too. Much more polarizing than Daboll.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
I was against McD, more neutral on Daboll.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
Exactly.
Most either loved or hated the idea of McHoodie. People are more meh about Daboll
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Daboll every day of the week.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
Little to no experience?
I have read his (diablo lol) bio, I have read the one review from a miami fan (in favor of) but a coach this green taking over the offense with a head coach (referencing his interviews based on offense) with limited input. I was just hoping for a more seasoned, successful, experienced hire. I hope they prove me wrong i truely do. I’ll still pay for NFL ticket so i can watch our Chiefs in hope of something.
Starick58 - February 4, 2012
i am excited to see what he has to offer
It’s can’t be worse than run, run , pass, punt. Or 18 draw plays per game. I still think the offense is only going to be as good as our qb. So with that, Pioli needs to do everything to get Orton or Manning.g (if he’s available). Cassel just won’t get it done no matter who the OC is. And by getting it done I mean playoffs and playoff victories.
jcrunninwild - February 4, 2012 via mobile
Cassel did just fine when CW was calling the plays. Pro-Bowl good if memory serves.
DivineGrace - February 4, 2012
Nice take.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
This is a Piss Poor move!!
NFL season ticket holder - February 4, 2012
Sounds rational
But also a typical AP comment nowadays
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
I voted "Not Sure"
but I am willing to give him a chance. And for everyone who is using his time in Cleveland and saying he is no good, just remember something, there is a 3 time winning, 5 time SB appearing coach in Belichick who was no good in Cleveland, just saying
not saying he will ever turn out as good as BB, but you dont know if he isnt given a chance
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
Great coaches get great players and then don't screw it up.
We can debate whether or not this is gonna be a big deal, but at the end of the day it comes down to the players.
The Patriot way magically works when your team backs into Tom Brady.
Phil Jackson doesn’t win any championships when Jordan “retires”.
The Yankees have dominated baseball and have more championships than any other franchise in any sport in America….weird they have always spent more money and had great rosters….. sure that’s a coincidence.
Granted, the big part of this is the coaches ability to not screw it up when they do get the championship horses, we just need the horses here now.
Your_Moms_Boyfriend - February 4, 2012
This below doesn't really work out, but I hear ya.
Chiefs_swagger - February 4, 2012
ummm
didnt Phil win like 4 more championships in LA
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
He meant Shaq.
Oh wait.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Kobe?
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
Bad Decisions
The Chiefs just made one
ArrowheadHunter - February 4, 2012
Nuff said.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Text from my Phins-fan friend:
Responding to my heads-up that we hired Daboll as OC.
I like this.
Ochophosphate - February 4, 2012
Miami fans were happy with him.
Enough for me to go “not sure” until there are results with the Chiefs.
BeauJackson - February 4, 2012
yep thats where I stand
lets see what he does with our talent before we say the guy sucks and it was a bad hire
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
press conference
Does anyone know when the press conference is going to be held so far there is nothing on KCChiefs.com
Starick58 - February 4, 2012
I'm guessing Monday
They prolly didn’t want this leaked so soon.
cheapham - February 4, 2012
Yeah
The NFL kind of frowns on stuff like this interrupting the SB hype. But the leak may have accelerated their plans too.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
midnight monday night is the conference
Just like when the colts left baltimore
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
So 10 o'clock my time?
That would be cool.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Daboll is a good choice for a GM who only cares about Cronyisms. I don’t want the Patriot way, I want the Chiefs way. This was the worst of 3 options. I will root my team on next year like I would for any other, but I look forward to when Pioli is fired within the next 2 or 3 years and we can get a competent GM, not one who is only interested in hiring former Patriots, instead of the best man for the job.
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
Just curious - which OC would you have preferred?
I didn’t have a problem with many of the candidates – I wasn’t real fond of McDees-nuts or Huge Action, but that was more personal than football (thought they were goobs). Did you want Saunders?
Ochophosphate - February 4, 2012
If Pioli was interested in focusing on the best man for the job, instead of Focusing on who’s the most Patriot-ish, then he would have hired Al Saunders. Hiring a failure to take over for a failure does not equal improvement.
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
Man this is getting old
Saunders is under c o n t r a c t! What exactly has Saunders done in Oakland that he would’ve been the “best man”? Jesus people look at the substance of the situation not just broad damn stats.
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
Leading the raiders to a higher total offense, and a higher scoring offense last year. To somehow imply that daboll is better then Saunders is asinine. If Saunders had been a coach in NE at all, he would have been the choice.
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
didn't Hue call the plays?
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
You're right
Let’s give the Raiders picks to get a 65 yr old man on his way out that wasn’t really controlling the Raiders offense in the first place.
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
Sometimes Chiefs fans just can't handle the truth when their team is rightfully criticized.
NFL season ticket holder - February 4, 2012
and sometimes fans criticize and bitch for no
other reason then to criticize and bitch about something
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
bingo
Tyran - February 4, 2012
It's not a right/wrong criticism
When he’s OC’d ZERO games for us.
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
Hence my "Not Sure" vote.
Tyran - February 4, 2012
It was a reply to the other guy lol
I see everyones point if they’re not sure or don’t like, but most of these don’t likes are just complaining and bitching just to hear themselves bitch and complain
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
if saunders wasn't under contract who would of the chiefs taken still daboll ?
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
how do you know the Raiders would have even let him go
so he could come to KC, and Saunders led offenses have won so many SB havent they..oh wait,
everyone wanted Muir gone cause he was old, Saunders is old too
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
and what competent GM do you prefer
Pioli was the best choice out there when he was hired, so he hasnt brought a SB here in he only 3 years, he did take a 2-14 organization to a playoff organization in only 2 years, yeah hes incompetent
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
And upgraded us in talent every year
What an asshole!
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
I know right
maybe we can get Carl back to run things again
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
Please go back to New England to suck on Belicheat’s teets.
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
lol, what?
cheapham - February 4, 2012
class act right here
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
Yeah what were we thinking
Giving our GM credit for adding talent to our roster every year. We should be shot.
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
Classy.
Pioli must hate that you’re not a fan.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
-1 for stupidity
Tyran - February 4, 2012
i like it
Considering the choices it was a good hire. He’s young and will improve with time. Go Chiefs.
kc_okerix - February 4, 2012 via mobile
The Tree
I don’t have anything against our wonderful shade givings trees, but I’m sick and tired of this New England Patriots tree, can someone please cut it down, PLEASE!!
That would be a nice poll to have. How many of us are tired of the New England pipeline.
vajazz24 - February 4, 2012
I personally don't care.
If they get results, I couldn’t care less what tree they come from.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Do people really think that every gm and head coach don't hire people with conections and similar philosophies?
saskwatch - February 4, 2012
Only the Chiefs do.
Or at least that’s the vibe I get around here.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Whisenhunt hires steelers, all the Dungy guys hire each other, west coast guys hire all guys from the walsh tree, that is how it works.
saskwatch - February 4, 2012
Huh.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
well it appears
its only stupid when its the Belichick or Patriot tree
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
It seems some people cant see the forest for the trees
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
fail hire.
please get fired soon.
this is a pathetic hire and shows how poor choices they make. they surely had better options. this is just an overall bad decision. crennel probably had a hand in this and just screwed over our offense unless peyton manning comes here. the only way this oc works is if the qb is great. which our qb is not. goodbye again to the offense.
KC Nate - February 4, 2012
Pioli is only looking for New England Yes-men. A strong sign of a terrible GM is that they are unwilling to be challenged. Haley challenged him and he was hired. RAC, Daboll and any other former Patriots that will be hired will not challenge him, they will keep their mouths shut and their shades drawn.
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
So pissed at this hire
“Let’s find another mediocre guy, just because he has Pioli/NE ties.” What a shitty mantra.
SCKSChief - February 4, 2012
dude i understand what u said but maybe saunders is under contract, who else is there
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
Go after the QB coaches at GB or NO
there are lots of choices out there. This is a sell-out. I’d rather have Hue Jackson.
SCKSChief - February 5, 2012
.
No one, including myself, knows what kind of job he’ll do here. His play calling might provide a spark to our offense, or for all we know it could cause them to regress even further. Either is a possibility. What I have a problem with is when people like you make up their minds about a guy before even seeing what kind of product he puts on the field. When evaluating a coach there is a lot more to be considered than just his W-L record, and I think that it is encouraging that the majority of Dolphins fans were happy with the job he did in Miami despite the team’s W-L record. Before getting all worked up next time and calling a guy a “fail hire”, take a deep breath, and at least have the patience to see what kind of job he does here before calling him a bad decision.
JKnox11 - February 4, 2012
Saunders
I know Saunders was under contract through 2012 with Oakland but i think Oakland traded away most if not all of their 2012 draft picks. I would really like to know what they wanted for him. RAC (defense) and Saunders (offense) would have been impressive
Starick58 - February 4, 2012
so you would be willing to trade a draft pick to get Saunders
yeah thats a smart way to run a team, give up draft picks for coaches, the only coach I would give up any draft picks for would be Belichick
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
doesnt matter
Why the hell would we want to give them any draft picks? That would be the dumbest shit in the world.
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
TIRED OF THIS PATRIOT CRAP!
IF WE WANTED THE PATRIOT WAY THEN WE WOULD GO AFTER BIG NAMES WHICH WOULD NEVER HAPPEN THE PATRIOT WAY IS FOR THE PATRIOTS. HOW ABOUT THE CHIEFS WAY BRING IN SAUNDERS HE HAS THE MOST KNOWLEDGE OF THE GAME AN IS A FAN FAVORITE ITS NOT A HARD DECISION…..THE PATRIOT WAY WAS BELICHICK NOT PIOLI SAUNDERS WOULD HAVE BEEN OUR MISSING PIECE TO THE PUZZLE HANDS DOWN!!!
dallas_MO - February 4, 2012
LOUD NOISES!!!!
cheapham - February 4, 2012
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
wow really?
so just by adding Saunders we would have won the SB next year, cause his offenses have done so much
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
He needs another hand, just for all his SB rings.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Also, don’t expect Kansas City to make a play for Payton Manning. He has never been a Patriot, and so he has no place in New England West. We’ve already got a QB from New England, and that’s good enough for Pioli.
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
Manning was never going to come to KC
I dont know why people actually ever believed that was ever going to happen
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
how do u know for sure manning won't come to kc
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
he’s not from new england
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
maybe we'll bring in drew bledsoe for the qb "competition" pioli spoke about
1kmilesfromkc - February 4, 2012
WELL LETS SEE HOW THE RAIDERS OC DOES COMPARED TO OUR OC NEXT YEAR.
dallas_MO - February 4, 2012
Greg Knapp is the OC there
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
That makes no sense.
Why isn’t the greatest OC in the world, Al Saunders, their OC? They already have him under contract.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
I know right
According to topchief1 he’s ran the Raiders offense the past few years. Just gotta shake your head sometimes
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
new coach in oakland
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
but if he's so great then they would have kept him
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
why did haley run gailey and weis out of kc
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
EXACTLY IF GREG KNAPP IS THERE THEN WHY DIDNT WE GO AFTER SAUNDERS OH THATS RIGHT I FORGOT ITS THE PATRIOT CONNECTION BLAH BLAH BLAH! THIS MOVE IF IT TURNS OUT BAD WILL DEFFENTLY SHOW WHAT KIND OF GUY PIOLI IS ALL ABOUT HIS BUDDY CONNECTION. AN NOT WHAT THE FANS KNOW AN GETTING OUT OF HIS LITTLE PATRIOT BUBBBLE
dallas_MO - February 4, 2012
We can't just sign em guy
The Raiders probably wanted draft picks, and WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE GIVE OUR BIGGEST ENEMY ANY DRAFT PICKS?!!
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
This is funny.
You wanted our GM to do what the fans wanted cuz we know more than he does about the football operations?
NJChieffan16 - February 4, 2012 via mobile
OKAY!
Now stop yelling.
neiowakcfan - February 4, 2012
yawn, you're still babbling?
Tyran - February 4, 2012
I'd just love to know if Peyton approves of the hire
I’d assume coordinator, money, and a team that can win have to be the top three things he’s looking at when finding a new team that he likes. We have 2 of the 3—hopefully he likes the coordinator and we’ll have the trifecta.
1kmilesfromkc - February 4, 2012
FML
The insanity of the “candidate has to have NE/Pioli connections” continues.
SCKSChief - February 4, 2012
The good news is that this will be Pioli’s undoing. He will be fired as a failure within the next 2 or 3 years, and we can someone who knows what the hell they are doing.
Topchief1 - February 4, 2012
Great...2 to 3 years of more of the same shit
awesome.
SCKSChief - February 4, 2012
romeo is his life line for pioli
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
yeah some seem to miss that most coaches get jobs because they previously knew someone or someone's father on a staff
SDChief - February 4, 2012
All about networking.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
It's not that I don't get that
Trust me, I do. I’m just sick of it being the be-all and end-all with Pioli’s choices. Eventually, you have to think outside the box to have success. Inbreeding only works so long before the offspring have six eyes or some shit.
SCKSChief - February 5, 2012
True story
I don’t hate the hire but I’m not exactly thrilled with it.
Although MIA fans sure seem to like the guy… so we’ll see.
MNchiefsfan - February 5, 2012
Sauders
I was just asking what Oakland wanted for Saunders> Saunders took a mediocre QB TG when with KC and created a scoring machine and since we are stuck with cassell thru 2014 who knows
Starick58 - February 4, 2012
Yeah
Cuz Dick Vermiel had nothing to do with that either right? Come on man comparing one of the greatest offenses, really?
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
Saunders doid it with Marty as well didnt he?
Starick58 - February 4, 2012
I keep seeing the argument of the talent he has had available.
The thing about OC’s an average one will coach to the level of his players while a good one will make them look better. A bad one on the other hand can make a team of superstars look average. I tend to put Daboll in the average category. My issue with this hire is more on a personality note. Part of the reason for Haley’s termination was the way he treated players(namely Bowe). We then turn around and hire someone who has a reported history of doing the same. While the reports do come from Colt McCoy himself, I would think if they were unfounded there would have been some sort of counter argument denying them from other player’s on the team.
Streak172 - February 4, 2012
Actually, Pennington and Moore have praised Daboll.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Daboll definitely made his players look better too.
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
yeah, get the most out of mediocre to good qb;s. thats what we need right now quite frankly if the plan is cassel and orton
SDChief - February 4, 2012
Guys like Reggie Bush getting 1000 yards behind Marc Columbo gives me hope
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
agree completely. thats actually the best example. reggie bush 1000 yards.
SDChief - February 4, 2012
Daboll hired to fit offensive philosophy
OK he wasn’t the best OC available. So why would he be hired? I think it is because Pioli and Crennel are going to run the ball this year and keep Cassel as the starting QB. No Manning or RG3. The draft will be to build up the lines and we’ll pick up an experinced second line QB in free agency to back up Cassel. Daboll knows about running offenses and while (IMO) he was not the best available OC I think Pioli and Crennel felt he was the best for what they want to do next year. Hope they are right.
cvane - February 4, 2012
yeah. they couldnt bomb this hire. im not sure if thats the best method though. playing it safe 24/7
fits in with this idea that its kc and dallas on the phone back and forth getting nothing done
SDChief - February 4, 2012
So, cvane...
You are the first person I’ve seen actually mention Daboll’s “offensive philosophy.” And what is it?
Saunders runs a vertical offense. I’m guessing Daboll is in the E-P system, but does wild stuff like eight man lines with seven right of center…
Everybody seems to have an opinion on whether he sucks or not, but nobody seems to know what fucking offense he runs.
Matt Cassel. With that as your QB, do you run a vertical offense? Probably not. E-P, maybe.
neiowakcfan - February 4, 2012
orton was the big reason the offense look good late in the year, we finally had a qb to get the open wr the ball
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
Daboll's offensive philosophy seems to change depending on the personell he has at his disposal.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
Cool.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
That is what I'm getting, too.
Most coaches stick with the “system” they “grew up in.” Successful, really successful, coaches tend to add wrinkles and stay a few weeks ahead of the opponent, or, consistently exploit opponent’s weaknesses.
Daboll could be really good in KC with the weapons he has… Cassel included.
I voted “not sure” but I’m really open to hold judgement until, you know, week three.
neiowakcfan - February 4, 2012
#EpicFail
ArrowheadHunter - February 4, 2012
I feel like its above a zorn promotion, which makes me feel a bit better that they got someone outside the org
SDChief - February 4, 2012
He is the DayBull
CorFueled - February 4, 2012
Fighter of the NightBull?
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
He's now da Red Bull.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Redballs gives me wings
ExRoyalsFan - February 4, 2012
Champion of the sun
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
Master of karate
cheapham - February 4, 2012
Somewhat official.
Chiefs in discussions with Brian Daboll to become offensive coordinator
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
I voted "Approve"
Because I thought it said “Fire Brian Daboll Approval Poll”
Nick Britt - February 4, 2012
Ha!
Maybe that’s how he got a 90% approval over on Phinsider.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
I can see how an H looks like an F
……
KCinIL - February 4, 2012
lol thats funny
Starick58 - February 4, 2012
At least it isn't Zorn
KC_Satchmo - February 4, 2012
I'd prefer Zorn over this guy.
mu-chief-stl.cards fan - February 4, 2012
The OC could be KC Wolf for all I care if the Chiefs win more games next season.
powercat12 - February 4, 2012
kc wolf is more defensive minded. a back to basics tackling lb coach maybe.
SDChief - February 4, 2012
I was hoping for Hue Jackson
Daboll is interesting, I’m excited to see what he can do with the weapons at hand. A bit disappointed about the Patriot connection though.
shotty - February 4, 2012
Reviewing Daboll's resume...
… I am very underwhelmed.
Pacific Chief - February 4, 2012
All depends on what you look at
ChiefWarPaint - February 4, 2012
and that's putting it mildly
saints_chiefsfan1979 - February 5, 2012
Reviewing what he did with his offense this year..
Still not blown away. But I’m more more in favor of giving him a shot after looking at how they did as the year progresssed and after talking to some Dolphin fans.
MNchiefsfan - February 5, 2012
hes capable, run the ball, get the most out of your qb with low turnovers low risk
there is plenty of talent there. fix the ol, fix the qb, and it wont really matter who is calling plays as much
i will say that i was hoping for saunders. oh well
SDChief - February 4, 2012
Not feeling great about this
I think he is okay. Maybe with a better team, but I worry we are still keeping ourselves chained to a mediocre at QB…. I could be over reacting, I guess time will tell.
Spiderwomn69 - February 4, 2012
well they claim to plan to be aggressive in upgrading the qb. lets hope that means more than signing orton
SDChief - February 4, 2012
We can only hope
What we do at QB will speak volumes more about what this team really wants to do than anything else.
Spiderwomn69 - February 4, 2012
Big hood got fired in cleveland the press and the fans said in the paper not an nfl coach bill belichck
big hood still got that picture in his office in NE. Its like one man junk is another man fortune
niageriannit1 - February 4, 2012
but according to some on here
if the coach is horrible at a previous coaching stop then that means he is a bad hire and isnt going to do any good here, they would rather try Saunders for a 3rd time
banshee_01 - February 4, 2012
Yeah, let's get Saunders
so that our OC is older than our HC. Makes sense.
neiowakcfan - February 4, 2012
Saunders isn't good for anything
but an overly complicated playbook.
JHWK - February 4, 2012
I love it
let the road to the SB start in the offseason…
Chiefsfan85 - February 4, 2012
Bye Bye Bowe
unless we franchise him, He gone and I would be too.
mu-chief-stl.cards fan - February 4, 2012
He's gone because YOU don't like Daboll?
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
He's too run oriented, Bowe wont get the ball.
mu-chief-stl.cards fan - February 4, 2012
Never mind that Marshall just had a career year.
With Matt Moore throwing to him.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
career year ?
he had the 2nd lowest reception total of career,he had the 4th lowest TD output of his career,and his 1214 receiving yards was his 3rd best of his career. How did he have a ‘’career year’’?
saints_chiefsfan1979 - February 5, 2012
Point is Patriots Patriots Patriots. I'm sick of it
mu-chief-stl.cards fan - February 4, 2012
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MtHammer - February 4, 2012
Thanks for the tip.
Tarkus - February 4, 2012
Okay, now which gray box are you talking about?
I can’t find any red buttons. Oh, the one on my shirt!
Mr.Pibbs - February 4, 2012
Lol, Tarkus.
Rec’d.
MtHammer - February 4, 2012
Great Hire
Daboll is a good OC who has the potential to be great……once the fins had time to learn his system their offense was good, with the talent the chiefs have on offense, Daboll with a full off season, will be as good as Charlie Weiss in time……he’s young, a good play caller and has an attacking style of offense…..just what the chiefs needed…….
jvw - February 4, 2012
if it's so attacking
then how come no offense he ever ran ranked higher than 22nd?
saints_chiefsfan1979 - February 5, 2012
I believe it's you that said it
Without a good QB, there’s not much a team can do…
Why on one hand is Cassel an unending burden, but it’s the OC’s fault in MIA he can’t get more production out of Matt Moore?
MNchiefsfan - February 5, 2012
I think I know why KC hired Daboll....
BCRavenJHawkfan - February 4, 2012
I heard he likes to listen to junk
I thought they were just suggesting that he had bad musical taste. Whoda thunk?
Ochophosphate - February 4, 2012
This is why this hire sucks
2009 with Cleveland 260 yards per game (32nd ) 15.3 points per game(29th)
2010 289 ypg (29th) 16.9 ppg (31st)
2011 with Miami 317ypg (22nd) 20.6 ppg (20th)
Another terrible hire
saints_chiefsfan1979 - February 5, 2012
With a terrible QB and a RB no one thought could be a full time RB
20th isn’t that bad.
MNchiefsfan - February 5, 2012
22nd
A coaches job is to develop talent and come up with schemes and ways to beat the opposition. Make a C player into a B player, B player into an A player, in other words coach a guy up as they say. In Miami (which is what people keep bringing up) the guy had talent to work with. Marshal is an elite number 1 receiver, Bess is a solid number 2 and Fasano is an above average TE. Not to mention, he had a good o-line anchored by all pro Jake Long . Yet, the offense was still in the bottom half of the league in most catagories. Where was the coaching at? Who did he make better? Matt Moore is a talented guy that couldn’t stay healthy for a full season before this year. I wouldn’t call Moore terrible. Not an elite player, but solid. And if you think he sucks then what is daboll going to do with Cassel? They are similar players afterall
As far Bush goes, his problem has always been health. No one questioned his talent, just his durability. Take it from a Saints fan, Bush wasn’t used right when he was with the team. And he had just a little over a 1,000 yards rushing so lets not make it out to be an MVP year. He was healthy and they gave him the ball and he had a decent year,that’s not rocket science there. But again, to act like he was a has been that Daboll salvaged his career is not accurate.
saints_chiefsfan1979 - February 7, 2012
Al saunders should of been the head coach after dick vermeil left. it would of kept our offense intact, Mr. Hunt is letting the organization fail. This is gonna be terrible to watch for three years. If I was GM I would did the old Jerry Jones move and built my coaching staff I would of had Al Saunders as a head coach with someone Romeo Crennel as a DC and bring in Mike Martz as a OC. Now have me A Dick Vermeil offense going with Bill Belichick defense oh yeah i smell success all over again
dwilborn1 - February 5, 2012
Other than him being from Welland, Ontario
I dont have a reason to like this hire
SayHeyWerd - February 5, 2012
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