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Saturday Night Open Thread and Border War Round Table

Yup, the KU-MU Border War continues tonight, at least in basketball (you know, the game where the ball is round instead of pointy) with both teams ranked in the Top 10. The last two games of this historic series, as the Big 12 conference will soon be losing Missouri.

That's tonight's discussion starter, along with the news of Willie Roaf making the Hall of Fame, and we heard rumors of Brian Daboll talking to the Chiefs for some minor role. Mike Vrabel is still retired and somewhere in the heart of Indianapolis, Peyton Manning and Robert Irsay are attending the same pre-game party.

Enjoy!

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So we are not talking about Quantrill's Raiders?
we could talk about the pens he used

Quantrill’s Quills

Ha.........

history is one of my favorite subjects

Ours too
are you more than one person now?

Steve_Skitzo_Chiefs?

has skitz been around lately?
I don't nolil'homie lady

recanize

I know me and Up's love history

thus Our :)

I know

Just seemed like a good opportunity for sarcasm.

he doesn't live here any more
he has been banned?
He assumed a new position
he got promoted to new user name
which is?
I don't know

I think maybe, Joel Thorman?

Something ridiculous.

I don't think it would be hard to figure out
I don't feel like searching...

I’m tired just thinking about it.

MIZ

Time to beat up on those Imaginary birds.

Here we go

Which side are you on?


Homer’s?

KU?

haaaa

Jaychicken

I had to post this..........

is that suppose to spin?
yes............
Sometimes I stare at JPG and see them move

and then I realize I’m a moron and my eyes are playing tricks on me.

GIF hunting is fun.

Like House

After a couple of beers ......

what would that look like?

I don't know

Bring some over and we’ll find out…

Man, I wasn't even thinking about beer...

Thanks a lot lady.

I am drinking a Warsteiner Dunkel
Nattie Lite

tastes like a bar of Soap

I must have been mouthing bad words…

anyone have lowenbrau before
mmmm, that is one of my favorites.

consider me

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mizzou

0 Championships Final Fours and BCS Bowl wins

Yep

the perenial Under-dog

Lets get it, Mizzou

Though, I really have no affiliation to either. Born in Missouri, but more ties with KU basketball (I’ve got a picture with Roy Williams at KU basketball camp… That’s something, yes?).

But, tonight…. I make a stand. Mizzou now and forever.

But I'll still root for KU in the tourney

Because lets be honest, they’ll always be better than Mizzou :-P

I don't either..........

CMSU grad

DeVry alum, myself

Petitioned for a basketball team and failed miserably. As expected.

If they keep expanding the field

Devry might need to get a team eventually.

You mean UCMO
Yes...............

but not when I graduated

Denmon for the Three!
Way to be patient!
Tyrod came to play
Last one ever kids
we got another in a few weeks
I can not believe how many Charges the Tigers Draw

Haith has done a great job coaching this team

I can't believe it's not startted in the Yahoo updates yet

dead box score :-(

And there it is.
I like football so much better
College Basketball is

presented very well.

The entrances, the pace, the energy, the built in drama.

That said, it’s no football.

Pressey reminds me of a certain UCLA guard
E-d-n-y

hurts to type

Edney

That would hurt more if I was a Mizzou fan. My guy like that is Ty Shine, who came off the bench to score 29 and beat #2 seed Temple in the 2nd Round in 2001.

Stevie
+Nicks
<Wonder
Phantom
Killer B's

Only getting better next year.
That depends on who is delivering the pigskin
Sure it does

But I think it won’t be Palko…

So…

Only getting better next year.

Baldwin gets a a full offseason

And Cassel gets a full offseason with all 3.

It can only get better.

I don't see Cassel being the starter...

unless he wins in camp and Cassel is not a good camp player.

The question is

who is it that will ‘beat’ him in camp

At this point

that is up in the air.

Kyle Orton
Peyton Manning
Rick(-y) Stanzi
Matt Flynn
Matt Moore
Chad Henne
Eric Crouch

Could be anyone…

It will be interesting
I honestly think Kyle Orton will be the starter

I’m convinced we will sign him and that he will be confident in his abilities to beat out Cassel

I wouldn't be mad

But I have heard others say that Orton & Cassel have the same agent. How does that play into things?

Until we know further, it's Cassel

But, either way, it’s a full offseason. I’m encouraged.

Kyle Orton was the last Chief to throw a pass.

But I get what you are saying.

I can’t wait to watch the progress of this team.

Don't you mean

Cassel is not a good camp player

He is a fine player

he just isn’t a good starter.

I know

it was just a good set-up

he really is not good in camp though.

He never has looked like he wants the job in practice to me.

Maybe because he never had to win the job before.
That is not what the Chiefs were saying publicly

But I pick up what you are putting down.

Eh, they've always said they will start those that give us the best chance to win

Given the complete lack of competition, Cassel has always been the best on the roster when healthy.

never truly been challenged in camp for the starting job

Hopefully we see Orton signed and Cassel shitting himself at the thought he may actually have to earn the starters job

I think Matt Cassel understands the situation.

I doubt a guy that sat on the bench for a million years gets to caught up in free rides.

Didn't the Pats consider cutting him?
They are going to cut Tom Brady
LOL!
The night before the Super Bowl too

Right now, him and Bill Belichick are on their way to KC to fix the Chiefs. To hell with Lombardi trophy’s they say.

with peyton manning

Becoming less and less likely with each passing day.

How so?
Just a hunch

I was actually feeling like it could be a possibility a couple days ago. With the OC hiring, reports about Manning in Miami, etc.. it just feels like chances are getting slimmer the more we learn.

The Daboll

thing kind of hints at no Manning.

I doubt Peyton said… Get me Brian Daboll. Although, Peyton might not care who the figure head is. He still needs someone to teach the rest of the offense his scheme.

Peyton is the OC
Regardless

someone has to prepare the other ten players and position coaches on Manning’s offense.

I would think manning would want some one familiar to help out.

What if Baltimore shit cans Flacco for Manning?

That is their one year solvent before that defense starts to die.
Zorn would probably

clamor for Flacco

Wouldn't you clamor for Flacco?

He is a good QB

I'd say he's about on Orton's level

Just a step above average. I would not call him good.

Agreed

I don’t think many AP’ers would be clamoring. Just Zorn.

I would take a guy that has been in the playoffs every year

since he was drafted.

The Chiefs have only been to the playoffs once and got bounced by Flacco.

Isn't a step above average, good?

What does your QB level chart look like?
almost average
kinda averagish
average
slightly above average
Flacco
above average
really above average
good

not detailed enough
It doesn't have the Tarkus Option
oh sorry lady

almost average
kinda averagish
average
slightly above average
Flacco
Not Sure
above average
really above average
good
Meh…

it's in the beginning stages.
I would consider Flacco
You think he's hot?
x

Love the unibrow!
I think the photo was taken

right as Lee Evans dropped that TD pass. He seems to be lacking his normal skin tone.

Ernie said F***
Or was it Bert?
Flacco is Bert

Ernie said F***

He is the short one

Lee Evans had that ball killed away from him

that was no drop.

That defender made a helluva play.

c'mon man

he should have hung on. You don’t drop that pass that takes you to the SB.

I agree he should have hung on

That was just a perfectly defended play.

Give credit to the defense for keeping their season alive.

Yup, the real goat is Cundiff
how about tynes for the giants

got a few bad memories of tynes in kc

yeah he really grew up in the big city
Yeah he is a good QB

not the best, not the worst.

Yes Tarkus, she digs the fu-manchu

I saw that....................

Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i heard lady chief likes peyton manning better
Who knows? If she is in to money,

stiff necks and huge… foreheads.

Maybe she thinks ping pong is sexy too.

Does Tom Brady have a twin??????????
No

but he’s had twins.

no but he has three similar Super Bowl rings
So Rodgers was MVP of the entire league.

But not the best player on offense. Okay.

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense

Doesn’t make ANY sense, actually.

how the hell did Suggs beat Jarred Allen for DPOY

22 sacks in a season for Christ’s sake

good thing we traded that guy.

I love Albert and really love Charles, but Allen and Hali all of this time would have been nice.

I can deal because it was a twofer

all are good, but Allen alone doesn’t outweigh the two players in Charles and Albert. You can throw out all the crap about Allen being on thin ice and being a risk – just looking player for players, we ended up with better value by sheer quantity… and we did it without tanking quality.

To Trent’s point – I agree Allen deserved it over Suggs. Helluva season Jared.

Brees is the best offensive player,

but he is not the Most Valuable Player. After all, his back up only threw for zix touchdowns in one game. He is obviously needed more than anyone in the league.

Rodgers winning the MVP is a complete joke
Why

whatever and two

Funny, PFT's backhanded snide remarks

“In 2011, Brees broke Dan Marino’s single-season passing record, which had stood for 27 years. Brees also set league records for completions (450) and completion rate (71.6 percent).

Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow did not receive any votes."

Yeah, funny last line.

Of course, they ride Tebow’s jock as much as anyone.

I'm not convinced Curtis Martin should be in the HOF

Staying healthy and producing at league average YPC isn’t enough for me.

I never thought greatness when I watched him play.
I know he doesn't have as long a track record as Martin

But a guy like Michael Turner reminds me of Martin. Good, consistent back, but not a HOF level player. Maybe they put too many guys in.

The NY factor
He should have Parcells introduce him.

He made him a household name (sort of).

That's what I remember............

Parcells couldn’t stop talking about him

Yeah, and I never really got why.

I think it’s because his other running backs sucked so bad, he was glad to have someone with a little consistency.

The guy almost never got hurt.

That is worth something, but not a yellow blazer.

I like Martin eventually, but

To put him in over Chris Carter, is my biggest beef – for two non-championship-winning players, Carter was more impressive to me. Martin was steady, consistent and an extremely well-rounded player. Easily an every down back, good hands, good blocker, good runner. He reminds me a bit of Emmitt Smith, doesn’t strike you as the most athletic or explosive runner, but through exceptional vision and technique was able to excel.

I wouldn’t have a problem with Martin getting in eventually, but some of the players he was chosen over this year… not sure I understand that. I’d put Will Shields, Tim Brown and maybe Andre Reed (iffy) in over Martin.

good for willie roaf in the HOF now
Agree

Willie was awesome, Preist said so

2012 NFL Comback Player of the Year Prediction

QB Peyton Manning (KC).
4,800 yrds, 31 TDs, 11 Ints

Needs more touchdowns.
I would usually agree..

But I am counting on J. Charles to take a few into the endzone next year……you guys remember him right?

The guy who set up TDs for Bowe and Jones?
Let's just have it all - Madden style

Manning will throw for 60+ TDs and Charles will have 28 rushing TDs and 40 total (gotta get those recs). Bowe, Baldwin and Breaston will all eclipse 1k yards and 10 TDs, Moeaki will only get about 800 yds but will also clip 10+ TDs.

We will beat every team by at least 60 points, sometimes 80-100. Eric Berry will have 18 INTs, 7 for TD. Hali will have 36 sacks, Houston 20 (cause you just let the AI control him).

Sign me up.

If only he could protect the ball as well as Cassel.
New weapons....

A little time to build chemistry

peyton hillis
He's out for 2012

Stomach ache.

MY TUMMY HURTS!
i don't know what the bs is, but he might be worth a look
To replace a ineffective T. Jones.....

Absolutely…..

no one can throw the ball away into the stands like Matt Cassel
Agreed.....

His second checkdown option was “guy in red, 3rd row”

Oh, you mean belly boy?
His 2nd checkdown option was "guy in red 3rd row"
internet connection fail.....

Sorry about the double post

did cassel hit him in stride
KU going small?
Is Tyshawn having his best game ever?
this s one helluva game
I know Jayhawks are winning lol
i hope when the chiefs say qb competition that it doesn't mean brady quinn
People say the Chiefs need their own Brady.
Doubt it

Might look at him. Quinn is interesting to me. Anderson showed promise in Quinn’s rookie season so they had to keep doing what was working. then finally in 09 when he gets a legitimate chance to show what he can do, The team has absolutely no offense for him to work with, then gets traded to Denver and is buried behind Tebow. I wouldn’t mind taking a flyer on him.

romeo buddy at cleveland brady quinn
I bet

Border War Game > super bowl

I think it's going to be a great SB.
yep
I think the Pats will win by 15
I have a feeling

the NYG WR’s will expose the NE secondary.

on national TV? isn;t that illegal?
not if you have bugs
ask janet jackson
well it's Madonna so who knows

Lordy I hope nothing happens…

everyone loves 53 year old sagging boobs

I would if I was 53

alas just almost 50

She's close enough for me.

Not to mention she’s in awesome shape for her age.

surgery will do that
but yes, she has always looked good.
as are most of the Center folds

I like my 50 year old.

She’s been good to me :)

I wonder if she'll wear her pointy bra
Yeah.

Except now it’s pointing down instead of out.

the construction Cones?
I don't think they are OSHA approved
Could put somebody's eyes out.
hopefully she comes out in a bra

with Janet Jackson faces on each one.

Now that would be something.

She looks better now than Janet did then anyway.
Janet hasn't looked good since that Mail truck movie

with TuPac

She was fine when she did that RS cover.
Definitely

That’s when she looked her best.

that was also before Poetic Justice

Which also made one of the greatest scenes in Don’t be a menace to south central while drinking your juice in the hood possible

Same year, I believe.
Yeah, they were both 1993

If I remember correctly. She was huge that year.

Do we have a problem?

Very huge.

Her brothers troubles affected he fame as well.

Crazy year

In 1993, Evan Chandler accused Michael Jackson of sexually abusing his thirteen-year-old son, Jordan.

wasn't there a settlement?
Yeah, but that really killed the Jackson family for awhile

fame rise wise.

Was that the Neverland kid?

Where it was discovered that MJ had secret rooms where he would hang out with kids.

I think so...........
I don't know all the info that in depth.

because I really didn’t care to much about the case at the time.

I like MJ when I was a kid in the 80’s, things were weird after that.

He got stranger as he got older
His old music is awesome.

Then it became hard to listen to his music without thinking about him as a human.

It was weird how everyone was when he died.
She was

Her best selling album released the same year

And every song went to #1

Or so it seemed back when MTV played music.

Yeah MTV Changed a lot that year...
Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Janet Jackson

En Vogue, The Proclaimers and Salt N’ Pepa dominated MTV in 1993.

Red Hot Chili Peppers.....Soul Asylum
Under the bridge is the best.
Oh yeah

Runaway Train was 1993 too. What a year in music! Spin Doctors might’ve been 1993 too, but I think it was 1994.

I liked Runaway Train..............

and what was the name of the group who had kids in bee costumes for their video?

Blind Melon
No rain was the best.
Getting nostalgic

Time to crank up the internet radio

En Vogue videos were pretty hot back in the day.
Looot of good music from that era
1993 top 50

1. I Will Always Love You, Whitney Houston
2. Whoomp! (There It Is) [House Mix], Tag Team
3. (I Can’t Help) Falling In Love With You, UB40
4. That’s the Way Love Goes, Janet Jackson
5. Freak Me, Silk
6. Weak, SWV
7. If I Ever Fall In Love, Shai
8. Dreamlover, Mariah Carey
9. Rump Shaker, Wreckx-N-Effect
10. Informer, Snow
11. Nuthin’ but a “G” Thang, Dr. Dre
12. In the Still of the Night, Boyz II Men
13. Don’t Walk Away, Jade
14. Knockin’ Da Boots, H-Town
15. Lately, Jodeci
16. Dazzey Duks, Duice
17. Show Me Love, Robin S.
18. A Whole New World, Peabo Bryson and Regina Belle
19. If, Janet Jackson
20. I’m So Into You, SWV
21. Love Is, Vanessa Willlams and Brian Mcknight
22. Runaway Train, Soul Asylum
23. I’ll Never Get Over You Getting Over Me, Expose
24. Ditty, Paperboy
25. Rhythm Is a Dancer, Snap
26. The River of Dreams, Billy Joel
27. I’m Gonna Be (500 Miles), The Proclaimers
28. Two Princes, Spin Doctors
29. Right Here, SWV
30. I Have Nothing, Whitney Houston
31. Mr Wendal, Arrested Development
32. Have I Told You Lately, Rod Stewart
33. Saving Forever for You, Shanice
34. Ordinary World, Duran Duran
35. If I Had No Loot, Tony! Toni! Tone!
36. I’d Do Anything for Love (But I Won’t Do That), Meat Loaf
37. Slam, Onyx
38. Looking Through Patient Eyes, P.M. Dawn
39. I’m Every Woman, Whitney Houston
40. Baby I’m Yours, Shai
41. Come Undone, Duran Duran
42. I Don’t Wanna Fight, Tina Turner
43. I’d Die Without You, P.M. Dawn
44. Whoot, There It Is, 95 South
45. Hip Hop Hooray, Naughty By Nature
46. Another Sad Love Song, Toni Braxton
47. Will You Be There, Michael Jackson
48. Comforter, Shai
49. Good Enough, Bobby Brown
50. What’s Up?, 4 Non Blondes

Love me some Def Leopard
Belichick has a plan for Ely

and it won’t be pretty

extreme makeover
Lip Gloss is involved

Drew Bledsoe is involved, too

Wh's Elly?

is she on TV or sompin?

Everyone's taking the Giants

I think The Pats win in a close one. I think the players will want to do it for Kraft with his wife’s passing this past year

Most of the predictions I've heard have it going either way

But, on paper, the Giants have more notches in the plus column. Just a better all-around team. How well the Pats run the ball will be the deciding factor, I think.

But I’m still picking the Giants.

who's craig in calgery taking
The Roughriders.
Is that her Name?
he must of lost his shirt this week to the book or casino
maybe

but I want both to be great

so, trent ... you were saying? :-)
ugh. still a half to go

should be a good finish

agreed, Tigers should win ;-)
A casshole sighting
Where exactly have you been looking in to?
I think he meant casserole
+tuna
rather suprising Parcells did not get a HOF ticket
-tuna

+tater tot

Tater Tot Casserole

I promise it doesn’t get any better than that.

did your house catch fire too?
Lol he's at the ku-mizzou game.
missed him.

KU or Mizzou fan?

whoever Pioli told him to root for
Well he had his own jersey on haha.

Gabbert and some others are there too.

So all the terrible QBs that have a Missouri connection?
Well palko wasnt there
who did digger take in the missouri kansas game
They all went mizzou I think
@AaronRodgers12
Thank u to our incredibly loyal and supportive fans, special night tonight. Got to meet Joe Montana for the first time. #kidnacandystore
Awesome..............

did he ask Joe about his Sketchers?

This is a hell of a game
This is why college basketball is awesome.
That's what I tell everyone

College>Pros

I like pro basketball for level of play.

But the college atmosphere pretty much negates that advantage.

i remember the kansas city kings
tournament the best
They can't actually end this rivalry.

That would be very short sighted.

104 years of rivalry. I really hope they still schedule games each year between the two
Surely they will...
it will be occasional...

but it will never be the same.

Goodness

this is a ballgame.

Swish

Denmon is Deadly

Hit teahan in the back of the head
I want to see a fight or something

gettin’ tense

like the 60's fight clip they showed earlier

that looked insane

live and die by the 3
Thise one could be over folks
4 minutes is an eternity
agreed. it's far from over
whats the total on royals wins this year
161

lose opening day

Somewhere in the 76-82 range

Unless things go crazy one way or the other.

young pitching again
Mediocre pitching, not especially young.

Unless they bring Montgomery and Crow to the rotation. If all the young hitters become good quickly, the Royals could have what the Rangers have right now.

i forgot how many wins did the royals get last yr
71

Pythag had them at 79, not that it matters much.

Mizzou let the game get away from them
Would be sweet to have an eighth man

don’t have one

Odd call

Defender moved a tad.

Don't blow it now KU
Somethin about a 19 yr old with a bow in her hair...
yeah these Mizzou Cheerleaders are pretty damn fine
Cough cough!

Choke!

Can't miss the front end of a one and one.
Guess they fouled the right guy.
Now KU can go for a quick score.

Even if they miss, they still have a shot. Big miss.

I'm just waiting for Dick Vitale's reaction when KU gets a buzzer beater
how many charges have been called

incredible!

told you

It is unbelievable the number of Charges the Tigers draw

you called it early
What?

Terrible call.

Probably should have been a no-call

But you can’t sell a charge much better than that.

I'd take a no call

Taylor wasn’t really in control so he didn’t deserve a bail out.

The refs have been calling it that way all night

I have no problem w/ the call

Gotta let em play down the stretch

And he missed the shot anyway

The officiating must be consistent throughout the game, including down the stretch.

oh well. we'll get payback back in Lawrence
Just so you all know

in the last two minutes I had too Bail someone out of Jail.

160.00 damn

thanks Steve!
I am rather tired of that

or I need to just become a Bail bondsman

It takes a fine citizen to help the troubled.
Back to business i guess now

Daboll hire is terrible blah blah blah. Egoli is an idiot blah blah blah. We need to sign Manning blah blah blah

hey trent ... great game!
It was a good game.

Big win for Missouri.

Just another day in the paint for Kansas.

Sure was. congrats

Hate to be that guy, but a couple of questionable calls at the end though. Still, your boys took advantage of the opportunities KU gave you and that’s what it comes down to; taking advantage of opportunites.

Looking forward to Lawrence

One more time

Three way tie for 1st sounds awesome with 8 to go

yup yup

hoping it continues in years to come, too … historical rivalry, be a shame to see it end

It might continue on if Missouri sweeps

Or if Weiss gets football up to sec standards. Ha! Come on Mizzou

brian waters going for a ring tomorrow
He deserves a ring

and Shields deserves a Bust in Canton

Make er so

whats the spread in the super bowl
fried chicken, roast beef, mashed potatoes, ham and eggs, hash browns, biscuits with sausage gravy ...

oh, you mean the POINT spread!

not sure … I think a few points

Speaking of that

I got a mess of Raw Chicken Wings and have no idea how to make them Super.

Ideas?

make you some marinate, insert wings in marinate...let marinate

fire up a BBQ and enjoy

what would you put in the Marinade

I got some Teriyaki sauce

It just depends

I would make it hot and sweet, teriyaki could work if you like teriyaki wings.

Usually, you just add stuff until you get the marinade to taste great and enjoy.

You could get a dry rub, there is a lot of stuff you can do. Use some of that stat research, but instead type in marinade recipes. You will find something, get some ingredients and experiment.

UFC

Cogratulations Carlos Condit!!! For bringing
The belt to Albuquerque!! Nick Diaz sucks!!

Go CHIEFS!

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