Arrowhead Pride

3/4 of the way

through the 2010 season.

Maybe, but I have a feeling 100% of Canadians knew he wasn't.

After reading that link, I am cautiously optimistic.

Pacific Chief - February 5, 2012 reply

Meh.

We’ll see. I’ll give the guy a chance, but I won’t get excited until I see some good things happen on the field.

bossmanham - February 5, 2012 reply

I hope he does well, but I'm not holding my breath. Time will tell.

F250 - February 5, 2012 reply

That's perfectly fair

and I would suggest that those experiencing a sharp negative reaction to this consider taking the same stance, rather than immediately knee-jerking into fits of rebellion.

I would also expect that if this were a different coordinator, several people would be of the same mindset with that hire (I would have been like this if we hired Huge Action).

I’m a notch or two in the positive on Daboll – We’ll see. I’ll give the guy a chance. I’m already excited and I expect to see good things happen on the field.

Ochophosphate - February 5, 2012 reply

I'm just excited about the fact that we have:

An OC
A QB coach (for now, please stay – or get someone before OTA’s)
And a full off season with both on board

But will the pre-season consist of kick-boxing, lap-running and other MMA skills?

Heaven forbid KC should actually practice football during that time.

That's where I'm at, too.

go_saleaumua - February 5, 2012 reply

Yeah I'm warming up to this move a bit.

A lot, actually.

If I’m not mistaken, I think this guy runs the Coryell offense and I like the idea of that. I like the attacking nature of it and a lot of folks on AP have said they think we should transition to a West Coast Offense, and this is a version of that.

Also, I just keep hearing about how this guy has all these crazy creative running plays and it’s making me pretty curious what he’s gonna do with Jamaal Charles and Dexter McCluster.

So I’ve changed my opinion from “Fuck this” to “Let’s see what happens”.

Maybe the guys in charge know more than we do about coaches than we do LOL. They did bring us Weis and Crennel.

bamachief5558 - February 5, 2012 reply

I'll green this

but the Vertical Offense/Air Coryell Offense isn’t a version of the West Coast Offense, but I know what you mean. It was called the “west coast” offense when Coryell developed it in San Diego, then renamed Air Coryell or Vertical Offense when Bill Walsh did his thing in SF.

It depends on a QB with a strong arm and downfield accuracy, so that would make me think KC will need to find a QB better at the long ball than Cassel. Orton would work in the short term.

But I’m pretty excited to see how he works the running game, too. Should be exciting. I’m moving from “not sure” to “good hire.”

neiowakcfan - February 5, 2012 reply

Air Coryell had two main facets:

1. Attack the defense relentlessly
2. Make sure Coryell has coffee when his own D is on the field cuz he never watches that.

CurtMerzFan - February 5, 2012 reply

I'd rather run the Air Croyle offense...

5 yard pass, injured from a sack, then goes home to this….

mistamic - February 5, 2012 reply

Good insight

I’ll move from the “Fuck this” stance if his scheme requires Orton to stay and #7 to go and GOOD, young QB to be drafted. Until then…my ass is planted.

I love

this move, trick plays, high scoring potent offense! Super Bowl 47 here we come. KC vs GB

KCKENNY - February 5, 2012 reply

Great

KC becomes Boise State. Awesome. When do we get the red turf?

Barf.

He actually taylors his scheme to the players

So i doubt we run Air Coryell

Wait a minute...

OC’s are allowed to adapt their system to the players we have? That’s weird…

Can he stay awake?

If so we have hope!

Wichita Chief - February 5, 2012 reply

Is it possible that AP overreacted to this hire a bit?

No.. couldn’t be… shut up Steve_in_RI

Steve_in_RI - February 5, 2012 reply

That would be a first for AP.

agreed

we have never in the history of humanity overreacted to anything, ever … period

upamtn - February 5, 2012 reply

LOL

Bilyous - February 5, 2012 reply

Nuff said

WTF do you mean?!?!

Never overreacted?…OMG OMG OMG! That’s so ludicrous!!! F U! F Daboll! F the Chiefs! F this I’m sooooo done!

Indeed.

that's our story and we're sticking to it too.

CurtMerzFan - February 5, 2012 reply

thats not possible

didn’t you know that most people on here know whats best for this team more then the people who are running it and making the decisions, duh

To be fair

32nd, 29th and 22nd offenses don’t exactly scream success. But I’m hopeful as well.

Joel Thorman - February 5, 2012 reply

True but............

Look at what he had to work with? The Chief’s never had there coaching staff working together yet. Now bring in the people that can work together and lets see what happens. It will reflect on the playing field.

oh come on

What ever happened to coaching? You know, coaching up an average player to be good, a good player to be great and so on. It’s easy to coach guys who have elite talent. But, I want a guy that can make chicken salad out of chicken shit

Youre in luck with Daboll

Made Jerome Harrison look like a beast, Hillis too, he even got Reggie Bush to look great and thats after everybody said he fell off

Not to mention Colt McCoy who looked like a legitimate NFL quarterback (close loss to the Steelers in his first start followed by wins against New Orleans and New England and an overtime loss to the Jets).

Daboll gets the most out of what he has available to him.

whoa hold on

Don’t agree with this at all

Not to mention Colt McCoy who looked like a legitimate NFL quarterback

The guy looks average at the very,very,very best

‘Looked’, not ‘looks’.

He looked pretty damn good in his first half dozen or so games. Not a sure fire franchise quarterback mind you, but he showed enough to merit a closer look. Jeff Garcia looked to be his ceiling.

His regression this year, despite having more talent on hand and with a gaggle of supposed quarterback gurus in tow speaks volumes about Daboll and his ability to tailor an offense to fit available personnel.

the sun shines on a dogs ass to

He beat my saints, then again so did Seattle in the playoffs. But,the fact he regressed in year 2 is not a good sign.

His regression this year, despite having more talent on hand and with a gaggle of supposed quarterback gurus in tow speaks volumes about Daboll and his ability to tailor an offense to fit available personnel.

That doesn’t speak volumes about anything. If anything it speaks to the fact McCoy never grew with the offense and Daboll never adapted

How would Brian Daboll adapt to McCoy if he was in Miami

after 2010?

McCoy couldn’t continue to grow with the offense if the offense changed…right?

I’m not following your argument on this.

McCoy and Hillis had better years with Daboll and then didn’t do as well this year after he left (injuries, system change.) How is that a knock on Daboll?

Hillis was hurt last year

Miami in 2010 was 21st in offense, they were 22nd this year so they were worse under Daboll

Cleveland in 08 were 31st in offense, under Daboll in 09 they were 32nd…again worse

Clenveland in 2010 were 29th in offense under Daboll, the next year, they were the same 29th

Where is the upgrade? Teams actually got worse with him

Okay that doesn't explain my question.

I understand what the stats were, they have been heavily circulated around here.

Was I saying he is an upgrade?

I’m not following your argument on this.

That makes two of us.

McCoy and Hillis had better years with Daboll and then didn’t do as well this year after he left (injuries, system change.) How is that a knock on Daboll?

To be 100% accurate, both McCoy and Hillis were hurt in 2010 as well as this year. One more feather in Daboll’s cap: Hillis played through his injuries in 2010. He quit on Shurmer.

McCoy didn't have more talent

Hillis was hurt most of the year. what talent did he have?

Greg Little?

Hillis was hurt most of the year last year as well. The difference between 2010 and 2011 is that Hillis didn’t quit on Daboll the way he quit on Shurmer.

That is exactly what he has done.

He made Colt McCoy and Matt Moore look like adequate QB’s, made Bush look like a bell cow running back. Last year he even made a white guy look like a running back.

So did John Fox.

This

you mean that t-bone guy? I thought he was just a naturally gifted running back...

CurtMerzFan - February 5, 2012 reply

This argument makes no sense...

Having talented players is one thing, but putting those players in position to be successful is the coaches job. In think Daboll will do fine here, but saying he had nothing to work with is more an indictment of his coaching.

No but it shows improvement every year

badassz1987 - February 5, 2012 reply

true when all the pieces keep together not a new OC every year... Also new HC

well ya

When you’re at rock bottom , the only way to go is up

How about 10th ranked scoring offense over the last 9 games last season?

GenericBrand - February 5, 2012 reply

No Hes Horrible Terrible Vile & Despicable

Just another continuation of the Chiefs into mediocrity, Pioli doesnt know what hes doing, Hunt is Cheap & Crennel is just their scapegoat puppet. Nothing to see here folks woah is me and all us fans who have to put up with this crap for 50 years, because theres no way Daboll could ever or will ever be good. i mean just look at the stat sheet, its an infallible tool to measure success always & forever so that means hes garbage. He took a 30th ranked offenses and brought it to 22nd with no offseason and an HC that handcuffed him? GARBAGE!!!!

NANANANANANA

in all fairness, I imagine at least a few Cleveland fans might have a slightly different opinion than those Dolphins fans

upamtn - February 5, 2012 reply

This Browns fan doesn’t. Daboll is legit.

fair enough and way cool, thanks for the comment :-)

upamtn - February 5, 2012 reply

Dude, I definitely want to hear your opinion on this guy.

What did you like about him and his offense?

bamachief5558 - February 5, 2012 reply

He tailored the offense to the players; he made bad players look mediocre and mediocre players look good; he seemed to have a good rapport with his players; his players never quit on him (even on the back end of a 5 win season); he came up big against good teams.

Also: this.

Careful, there are a lot of guys who never heard of him that will tell you that you don't know what you are talking about.

Dude

Everyone here has heard of Daboll.

There are reasons to not like the hire other than him being a “no-name” coach. I would say most people who have followed the Chiefs had heard of Daboll due to his connections with Pioli and his work with Crennel.

Ignorance isn’t the reason why he got a 19% approval rating, it is lack of production and the facts that all of his offenses have been mediocre at best and not much of an upgrade.

Another great example

of someone not understand the “facts”

You’re just looking at 1 thing… offensive rankings.
You fail to understand his age. The player personnel on the team. The POSITIVES he had in Miami, especially the 2nd half.
Say you have a car with a great engine except it’s paired with square wheels. Everyone knows it has the potential to be fast but its slow due to the wheels. You’re just looking at it’s speed without understanding the situation. Throw on some round tires and watch that great engine move.

Brad-KC - February 5, 2012 reply

Muir had positives too

He managed to win a game with Tyler Palko under center.

Hail Mary, full of grace the lord is with thee..

Not Catholic, eh?

It's a great pick up

The playbook will be close of what the Chief’s have seen with Weis. Miss matches, use KC players strengths. Daboll has higher football IQ players with the Chiefs than he did with the Browns and Miami. Thats what Scott Pioli wanted and he’s been drafting. It takes time to build a team. Then you can keep it going year in and year out.

agreed

charles, mccluster, and moeaki are going to shine with this guy drawing up plays.

shaytron - February 5, 2012 reply

I'm still in the middle but I remain curiously optimistic.

Tyran - February 5, 2012 reply

I just want the season to start.

bamachief5558 - February 5, 2012 reply

I am just curious to see the offense, post-Haley.

This will tell us how much Haley had his fingers in the offense. Crennel will most likely let the offensive coordinator do his job, without much intervention. I just get the feeling a lot of the offense, last year, was being overridden by a coach, scared for his job.

mdchiefsfan - February 5, 2012 reply

for everyone that wants to use this guys previous jobs against him

remember this, Mike McCarthy had the LAST ranked offense in points and yards, when he was OC with the NIners, then got hired on with Packers where they had some talent on the team, guess he is a horrible coach too

True

Good coaches learn as they go. Either learn from there mistakes and become great or not…

Nope.

You’re either great on day one or you suck.

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME

Hello?!

go_saleaumua - February 5, 2012 reply

Fortunately I've been ten shades of wonderful since zero hour.

That is the argument I have heard for giving Haley some more time

McCarthy was bad at first in Green Bay too, but they stuck it out with him and then…Aaron Rodgers.

Point being, our OC doesn’t matter a whole lot if Matt Cassel is our QB. And if Peyton Manning is our QB, no one really cares who our OC is as long as he gets along with Peyton.

If you think it doesn't matter who our OC is if Cassel is the QB

how do you explain the GIGANTIC differences in offensive output (by the team in general and Cassel specifically) between 2009 (Gailey/Haley), 2010 (Weis), and 2011 (Muir).

PVChiefsfan - February 5, 2012 reply

Exactly

then the 49’ers rocked and went to the NFC championship w/o him this year so he must really suck right?

I'm going to give the guy a chance, I predicted him to be the guy over a month ago in a post

I read War Room over Christmas and the story out of Arrowhead was that Pioli was going to hire someone he trusted and was familiar with so Daboll was the obvious choice, which is way I was disappointed with the news he was hired. Didn’t seem like Pioli put much effort into the OC search

Chiefs_KC - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

*Crennel

thats probably because the HC is the one who hires the OC

Usually, but I don't think Crennel makes the decisions

Keep dreaming this is a model NFL front office and coaching structure

Chiefs_KC - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

So when Crennel was conducting interviews

it was actually Pioli channeling his psychic powers through him?

pretty sure Crennel did his own hiring

I dont see any HC in the NFL thats going to accept the job if the GM is going to pick his assistant coaches for him

Didn't Al Davis pick the assistants?

yeah! and they never had turnover

Pioli hired Jim Zorn

Haley Hires Zorn As QB Coach

I believe War Room

Mentioning how Pioli was finalizing Jim Zorn to come in to be the QBs coach.

I don’t believe Zorn came in here for Haley. I believe he came in here because he knew Haley’s days were numbered.

well yeah

the GM is the one who is going to finalize the deal, that’s his job not the HC’s

Pioli is on the football side

Not the contract negotiations side — that is Mark Donovan territory.

That is if you believe Pioli only has reign over football decisions and leaves business decisions to Donovan and coaching staff decisions to his HC. I think there are a lot of allegations that refute that.

allegations don't refute anything

evidence does…

PVChiefsfan - February 5, 2012 reply

Yeah i dont think Clark

Ould allow Haley to write up contracts and sign coaches

BTW

Gotta love the comments on the Gretz article.

Dreams. Crushed.

I'm not even close to warming up on this

The only thing that’s gonna do it for me are wins

Buck'O - February 5, 2012 reply

Daboll

I for one actually like the hire, and think he would exceed everyone’s expectations.,

albuquerquechiefsfan - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

What about Mike Shula QB coach Carolina?

Why is he not getting talked about? What he did with Cam Newton this year with no training camp was amazing. Not to mention, Carolina doesn’t have much to work with a receiver. A lot of Cam’s success was his natural talent, but still. I would have been on board with him as OC

Because he's never worked for the Patriots, ergo, no chance.

F250 - February 5, 2012 reply

Haley never worked for the Patriots

Ergo something

He worked with people who worked with Patriots

Like just about everyone else in the NFL?

He was also on staff in Cleveland (along with Nick Saban, Eric Mangini, Kirk Ferentz, Mike Lombardi, Phil Savage, Jim Schwartz, Tom Dimitroff, Ozzie Newsome, and Scott Pioli) when Belichick was the Grand Poobah.

Man Modell really f***ed that one up didn't he?

You bring joy to Chiefs fans everywhere.

Man Modell really f***ed that one up didn’t he?

Ever and always.

ergo the problem with him

BecaUse Chud is the one given all the praise for that offense's success

he calls the plays sure

But Shula coached up Cam no doubt about it

Two words:

David Klingler

Reading your signature into that comment makes it even better.

I'm actually excited

We’re going to be healthy again. This year’s rookies and last year’s rookies will all the have the chance to have OTA’s. I think the learning curve for last year’s rooks is going to sky rocket. I am trusting in the fact that they’ll have more competition at the QB position. Even if it’s just Orton, I think we can win a lot of games with him under center. I guess I’m also thinking he can get better with coaching because I love his arm strength and his ability to make reads.
Daboll could be exactly what we need to get the offense firing on all cylinders.

you are asuming a lot

A; that Charles and Moeaki come back healthy
B; Bowe resigns
C;Orton resigns

People were saying we'd sign Manning and trade up for RGIII

and I’m assuming a lot? After RAC’s comments, I do think they’ll try very hard to sign Orton. As far as signing Bowe, I feel confident he and Carr will be back. One gets a contract, one gets franchised.

We "should" be healthy again.

“You’re probably healthy enough to play. I’m healthy enough to play. That doesn’t mean either of us are any friggin good! . Even Tyler Palko is cleared (healthy enough) to play. And that doesn’t mean jack shit as far as performance goes.”
We “hope” they return to their old selves, but that’s a lot to ask for their first year returning from major injuries.

oh touche!

but I do trust that all of our guys are working hard to come back 100%. No surgery is routine, but overall, guys seems to be coming back pretty well from ACL injuries.

The good thing

is that all came very early in the season, so they’ll have almost a full year of recovery by the time the season starts.

Yep if there is such thing of having a "good" time to tear an ACL it's when they did...

Allows plenty of time to recover and they should be pretty close to being able to participate when OTAs roll around. To go along with your point if you look at when Adrian Peterson tore his ACL his rehab could likely take him into the start of next season. If that had happened with any of our guys that could have been devastating.

Oh I don't disagree at all.

I was just keeping you honest haha. Everything that’s been said about each of the players rehabbing sounds like it’s going as well as it can. I think the player to be most concerned about would be Charles because so much of his ability is based off of speed. If Wes Welker or even Jerry Rice several years ago are any indication of our guys returning to their pro bowl levels than I think we should be optimistic. I’m hopeful anyway.

Young players generally respond very well.

He has that going for him.

Agree.

and Moeaki is the only one with really any previous injuries. Berry and Charles have no history of knee problems so that should be promising for their return.

Press conference

I wonder how Daboll will be receieved by the press when they hit KC to announce his hire?

Starick58 - February 5, 2012 reply

Passion and put yourself in his shoes as a OC!!!!

Nowing all the weapons we have and the opportunity at hand I would LOVE!!! to come in and open up or should I dare say have an opportunity to unleash what we all talk about.

1.) Let’s give him the more than a fare chance to come in and prove himself he deserves this!
2). If we were all this lucky to have this opportunity I would hope the fans would be supportive especially from a site like ARROWHEADPRIDE….
3). Mr. Daboll I for 1 am a raving fan for you this year… for you have great players and great fans make us proud!!!1

GO CHIEFS!!!!!

7kiddies - February 5, 2012 reply

Think about it

This OC lit up Romeo’s Defense this year. When he was allowed to open up the playbook in the second half of the season, he was very creative (remember, with Matt Moore). I don’t know if he can hide all of Cassel’s flaws, but I’m interested in seeing how he uses Bowe (like B. Marshall), Moeaki is a better athlete than Fasano, We have vertical threats in Baldwin and Breaston. I haven’t even mentioned J. Charles. I think it would be pretty hard NOT to be creative with all of the options Daboll will be inheriting. He found to get Hillis his yards 2 yrs ago and made Reggie Bush look like a reliable back.

Did I want Saunders to be the OC? Heck yes I did, because I knew he could move the ball. But Daboll will have all offseason creating plays for this KC team.

NWA Chief - February 5, 2012 reply

I have trouble seeing past some of the worst offenses in the NFL on his watch.

McCoy looked serviceable, but that offense still sucked.

bossmanham - February 5, 2012 reply

But that was when haley was running the team

It's going to be interesting this season to see how much Haley may have been hurting the offense.

Just to see them more organized and getting plays into the huddle on time would be nice.

What if it gets worse?

how could it get any worse than 13ppg?

That is 1 thing he has in his favor, the bar is set extremley low

I can only imagine...

what a halfway decent offense would do for our defense. We saw in the last 3 games they can play pretty damn tough if they’re not on the field 90% of the time.

Even if our offense gets back to 2010 level

It still isn’t enough to get us deep into the playoffs.

This is why I’m not satisfied with the Daboll hiring. I have no doubt he can get us back to 2010 playoff level, but I don’t think he is the one to get us over the hump. And I want championships.

Willing to give anything a chance!

I’m Willing to give him a chance. Why not; we have weapons to work with and above all…. He has all offseason to work with these guys. We need someone to mesh and last.

never quite - February 5, 2012 reply

Anything huh?

Really raising the bar there.

This hire makes us a better team.

He knows how to mold an offense to the players and with weapons like we have thats always a good thing. Next year is gonna be a good one fellas

RamX21 - February 5, 2012 reply

Another guy I would love to have on this staff that wont happen is Kevin Green a DC

Look at the LB’s he developed in GB Hawk, Mathews, Bishop. I think he could bring a lot of intensity to this defense that was lacking this year

uhmm..wut?

The defense was the shining jewel of the team. Any lack of intensity was because the D was gassed from being on the field all day after the O goes 3 and out.

Pacific Chief - February 5, 2012 reply

Lack of intensity screams to me of a leadership problem.

Particularly on the field. Suggs, Lewis, Kris Jenkins, Brian Dawkins… We’re still missing that guy.

ArrowSpread - February 5, 2012 reply

We've got him

But he tore his ACL in the very first game of the season.

Oh

I thought you were gonna say Belcher.

QB

It will be interesting to see how he handles the QB situation. We need a QB that can stretch the field to give Charles space and get the DB’s out of the box.

Starick58 - February 5, 2012 reply

are you saying Cassel is not the answer?

manning coming to the chiefs anyways so get ur jaws ready for that

sexassassin - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

Half the enjoyment of that for me

Would be to watch AP explode

He had better have an immediate positive impact

since Pioli passed over a far more proven and successful OC in Al Saunders, otherwise it’s a complete failure

werewolf_1979 - February 5, 2012 reply

Maybe

Pioli didn’t want to give up a draft pick for an oc. Saunders is still under contract with the raiders

Tripower66 - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

I agree werewolf

If not maybe the next full moon you should be selective in your hunt lol

Starick58 - February 5, 2012 reply

Feeling Better about this hire. now just get us a real QB

had reggie bush on my fantasy league team off waiver wire, so i know what a great season he had. Henne goes down, he won with matt moore. i’ll say it again, he won with matt moore.

we just need to get a real QB now (yes, i’m in the manning camp), and some help on OL, and we could be playing a year from today….

Arrowhead25 - February 5, 2012 reply

lots of stuff coming out about Washington going to do what it takes to get Manning

ExRoyalsFan - February 5, 2012 reply

I thought they were going after Orton.

And RG3.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/2/5/2773452/peyton-manning-to-the-redskins-eskin-says-very-likely#comments

ExRoyalsFan - February 5, 2012 reply

Tampering?

Dan Snyder is a buffoon and will overpay for Manning.

Ya well i say good luck to Washington...

Manning would be a total bafoon to go there to that wasteland. No competent WRs. A total shithead owner and HC. And a tougher division than the AFC West. If Manning wants another ring before he retires a see just a few options, the chiefs, 9ers or jets, and the 9ers and Jets look more interested in sticking with their guns for the time being. Its going to come down to how serious Pioli is about legitimately going after Manning. If they show him legitimate interest I don’t see how he can turn us down…

Chiefs08Matt - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

Exactly...

Not to mention he would go up against his own brother, can’t see him playing in the NFC East at all.

Crown Chief - February 5, 2012 reply

that might be fun

I'm still psyched about next season.

We were one freaking field goal away from the playoffs this year. We have an improving defense and an offense that’s performed seriously below potential. With Charles, Berry, and Moeaki coming back, we could win the West with Muir coming back next year. Let’s see what this guy can do.

71-South - February 5, 2012 reply

I like the hire

…and I don’t get the anti-Pats vibe. I like coaches from winning programs.

FrankPitts - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

agree. and gms hire coaches tied to them in some way about 95 percent of the time.

SDChief - February 5, 2012 reply

Although I'm not thrilled with the hire,

Anything is better than what we had with Muir, and we’ll be better with Charles, Moeaki, and Berry back regardless. Heck, Maybe we’ll see Arenas in a few more wildcat formations with McCluster and Charles split out. How much would that screw a Defense up? The fact that we finished with a chance for a playoff spot last year with all the crap that happened speaks pretty well about our team, the Defense especially. I’m excited for next year.

Nathan4288 - February 5, 2012 reply

If you are content with just making the playoffs

Personally, I want to win championships. I don’t think Daboll is the one to get us there unless a healthy Peyton Manning walks through the door.

I'm sure he wasn't their first choice. Who else is out there right now that is available?

Nathan4288 - February 5, 2012 reply

Im fine with playoffs

Baby steps people

ArrowheadHunter - February 5, 2012 reply

Meh

I understand that some people are unhappy, but who did they want?

Al Saunders is over valued by Chiefs fans due to the fact he had the greatest offensive line in NFL history. What other available OC made you more excited? Childress, McHoodie, Areans. Remember, teams don’t have to let you interview assistants anymore unless they want.

I personally am happy the chose a young OC with potential over an old retread that is on the street.

saskwatch - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

ok. that is just flat out wrong. im sorry, but its not overvaluing al saunders

lets look at what he did

kc offense, we all know how good that was…..a lot of teams have great o-lines, example, jets have quite a lot of top picks on their oline, they did very little this year offensively.

saunders built the darn rams offense with vermeil, it wasnt martz, this is fact.

overvaluing saunders? laughable.

as for daboll, i agree, i dont know if there was a better candidate, but to put down saunders as being hyped by chief fans therefore isnt as good as claimed its total bull

SDChief - February 5, 2012 reply

Wait, did you just compare a Jets' line full of underachieving high draft picks to one of the best in history

I am not saying Saunders was necessarily overvalued, but that line had two future Hall of
Famers, two multiple Pro Bowlers, and a solid RT.

“A lot of teams have great o-lines”…but that was an elite o-line. Like Top 5 of all time.

I would at least be wary of overvaluing a lot of things about that offense because of how incredible the line was.

LJ wasn’t half as effective behind a lesser line
Look at Green before he played behind that line

PVChiefsfan - February 5, 2012 reply

That line was THE best in NFL history

AND we had a phenomenal blocking FB and one of the best blocking TE’s I’ve ever seen.

To compare what the Jets had this year is laughable

I guess that came across a little negative, but what I was getting atr is that I think Chiefs fans probably have a much higher opinion of Saunders than anybody else.

Al Saunders could have been a good hire.

He is older and wouldn’t have stayed forever, but he would have done a fair job.

The thing that worried me with Saunders is the Gunther factor, not everyone returns to their former glory after leaving a team for several years.

There is a lot to factor in.

Will the OC fit in with the staff and players?
Can they implement a new system effectively if unknown assistants to them are already hired?
How different is the new system, to the old system?
Does the guy want to come to Kansas City in this capacity?
Can his system win Championships in the NFL?
Do the Chiefs have the personnel for the new system and how much change over would be needed among the current players to make it work effectively?

On and on it goes.

I was guilty of ignoring the whole picture

on Saunders success w/o Vermeil. Pretty eye opening and makes the Daboll hiring look even smarter. Saunders huge playbook with intricate play designs and motion would have taken longer to implement taking us into the season further before we were running it effectively vs a system that is flexible to the players skill sets (Bush had best year ever) and goes with the hot hand.

It will be interesting to see the Chiefs use some running plays that

allows McCluster and Charles to get in space with the football.

This isn’t a wonderful hire, but it is a hire that can have some potential if you use your imagination with the talent the Chiefs have available.

Al Saunders play calling W/Chiefs

sweep left behind Roaf w/Shields pulling and patient running byPriest

Clueless, I am.

If Crennel thinks he’ll work let’s get er done. I’ve got just one question…what took so long?

12t - February 5, 2012 reply

Smart business

My understanding is that if we wait until a coach is released then we won’t have to come up with draft pick or $$ to get him vs. asking permission to hire from current team like we did for Herm (4th round) – I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

Disappointment > Research > Understanding > Hope

I was so disappointed at 1st having put all my eggs into the Saunders basket. So much fun being a KC fan when we were scoring all those points – except for the fact that the D was totally ignored and many times allowed our opponents to still out score us. I believe Daboll was selected for the rolling reasons: long term vs Saunders short term = stability/consistency we have been lacking especially on offense, HC possibility to replace RAC, coached on both sides of the ball, attacking downfield offense just like Saunders which will better utilize Killer B’s, molds play calling to players skill set vs. Saunders 700 page play book difficult to implement, goes with hot hand vs. 99% predictable over last few years, learned under Saban who referred him to Belichick, made some improvement in virtually impossible conditions in Cleveland and implemented new system w/o offseason w/ QB change and still improved scoring from 30th to 20th and cur turnover ratio in 1/2.
Our future is even brighter than then as RAC won’t allow that anymore with our D. We will be so much more balanced than ever before.
I am so excited for camp!