The Super Bowl is all the attention this morning and rightfully so. We'll have a number of Super Bowl-related posts coming up throughout the morning (we've already had more than a few) but I did want to drop this quick update in for any of you who missed it over the weekend -- the Chiefs are hiring a new offensive coordinator.
Brian Daboll, 36, was the Miami Dolphins coordinator last season and the Cleveland Browns coordinator the two seasons before that. He was in New England with the Patriots when both Romeo Crennel and GM Scott Pioli were there.
The Chiefs actually confirmed via a statement on their website that the two sides are in discussions and Matt Cassel was already interviewed by the KC Star about the move so it sounds like it's just a matter of making it official.
The fan reaction to the move has been mixed, and that might be putting it nicely. With over 3,000 votes in our poll, 19 percent of readers approve of the move, 38 percent do not approve of the move and 42 percent responded not sure.
That's your quick Chiefs update/you-already-knew-this on Super Bowl Monday (which should be a holiday)....
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So 57% do not approve?
Damn, NObody likes this guy.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
Heh.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
It's works 60% of the time, every time.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
This just should've been my response
Joel Thorman - February 6, 2012
It WAS a good one
SCKSChief - February 6, 2012
Haha
I messed that up — 19 percent approve, 38 percent do not.
Joel Thorman - February 6, 2012
underwhelming hire.
WestonK - February 6, 2012
One day I will run for president on this platform alone. I figure it’ll do well in the primaries since they bookend the super bowl.
Sudden - February 6, 2012
A , keep matt cassel hope for the best and probably medicore at best
Hire
chiefsman! - February 6, 2012 via mobile
You forgot one big thing about the Chiefs weekend!
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Did he go in as a Chief?
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
Players don't go in for a team.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
you're a team
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
Thanks?
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Team Tarkus
Does have a nice “ring” to it.
Scott B. - February 6, 2012
Agreed.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
i'll play as long as i'm not picked last
Chris Sembower - February 6, 2012
no green love for our new Chiefs Hall of Fame tackle?
come on, it just happened.
Go Willie Roaf!
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
There you go.
NJChieffan16 - February 6, 2012
I would've if you didn't beg
kcsno56 - February 6, 2012
82% of all statistics are BS!
Okie Red - February 6, 2012 via mobile
100% of stats use numbers.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Prove it
KansasCityShuffle - February 6, 2012
Hmmm?
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Miami's offense didn't look bad starting at the mid way point this year
but how does his offenses normally do?
KingChief - February 6, 2012
He's only coordinated 3 years.
Two of them with trash offenses that had little to no talent and then last year with the Dolphins. The 9 games at the end of the year last year where the Dolphins had a top 10 offense works out to about 20% of his career coordinator numbers.
GenericBrand - February 6, 2012
The Phins put up more yds/g and pts/g than we did this year.
strathclyde - February 6, 2012
Which isn't saying a whole lot...
Scott B. - February 6, 2012
Goes to show Pioli doesnt have a single original idea
Belichicks coattails have got to be ripped and frayed by now. Get ready fro another year of Cassel, and another 6 win season.
ArrowDread - February 6, 2012
What do you want the guy to do?
Coaches get moved around all the time. There’s bound to be connections.
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
Think creatively
Establish our own identity instead of just being Patriot posers
ArrowDread - February 6, 2012
whos the next patriot to come here, coach or player?
Law firm?
tomachop - February 6, 2012
Whoever Belichick relegates to KC
ArrowDread - February 6, 2012
I'd take Law Firm
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
My point is
even though there have been a lot of connections to the Patriots… a lot of young coaches/assistants/interns etc go all over the place.
We could hire a coach and he could have been a water boy for the Patriots as a kid and the Chiefs fans/media would try and tie it to Pioli trying to do the “Patriot Way”
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
For the last 30 years...
the Chiefs have been the IBM of the league (copiers). Back in the days of Makovic, they had QB Bill Kenny running a San Diego style passing attack. Then, it was a copy of the smash-mouth Pittsburgh running game, with Christian Okoya. After that, it was Joe Montana/Elvis Gerbac to copy San Fran, followed by the Trent Green show, to copy St Louis. Now they’re trying to copy NE.
David Winton - February 6, 2012
Lead > follow
Innovate > stagnate
ArrowDread - February 6, 2012
People sure weren't too happy about Haley's
“innovation” this pre-season.
joplin chiefs fan - February 6, 2012
Haley benefitted from Herm Edwards' innovative "youth movement."
Think about it… It’s sad to admit, but look at the great players on this team that Herm brought in. Chrles, Bowe, Johnson, Flowers, Carr, Dorsey, and Albert.
David Winton - February 6, 2012
Herm was good
People didn’t understand the situation and called for his head because we were so bad.
It amazes me how many people don’t have enough common sense to put 2 and 2 together.
Youngest team in the league = more losses.
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
Herm was starting to look like a genius with the team he put together.
The entire secondary is still in the league. Flaowers, Carr, Pollard, and Paige. Pollard’s success is still debatable, but Paige just shot himself in the foot with his bad attitude. I think his next draft would’ve pushed the Chiefs over the top… I know he wouldn’t have had the bust Pioli had, that first year.
David Winton - February 6, 2012
Team would have still been overweight and slow.
OT, I would laugh loudly if NE managed to sign Pollard sometime soon. He’s taken out maybe their two best offensive players.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
They'd be fools to sign him.
Every skill player they have would be on IR by the end of training camp.
TwelfthMan - February 7, 2012
Well, I don't think Vermeil really copied St. Louis,
unless you wanna say he “copied” himself….
Our problem on offense is we haven’t had an offensive oriented HC. Marty’s and Cowher’s defenses were league leaders, though.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
Haley wasn't offensive oriented?
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Obviously not.
Hindsight = 20/20.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
I thought he was pretty offensive.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Haley was extremely
offensive.
neiowakcfan - February 6, 2012
Haley was offensive... and his hat stunk!
David Winton - February 6, 2012
Our preseason plan was pretty original
How did that work out?
Some times things don’t have to be original to be successful. Occasionally it is okay to go with what and who you know… Perhaps?
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Some MN quote
about trying the same thing over and over but expecting different results? We’ve tried it; it failed, now its time for something new
ArrowDread - February 6, 2012
Well, the OC is new.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
+ST
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Well...
I’m not thrilled, but it’s not the same thing as it was with Weis.
Now with Haley it’s kind of the same. But I’d submit that it’s still different
A) Daboll isn’t being hired to be HC
B) Daboll wasn’t a “hot name”
C) There’s no risk that Daboll was being made to look better than he was by an incredibly talented offense
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
"another 6 win season"?
It’s going to be like 2001? I’m so confused…
cheapham - February 6, 2012
Another six win season?
Wouldn’t that be our first six win season?
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Dick had six wins
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
I guess MN doesn't know Dick.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Perhaps?
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
I've heard that before
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Law School?
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
There's a reason forgiveness is required for those in heaven...
…no lawyers there…
12t - February 6, 2012
6 wins, 2 wins, 4 wins, whatever...
all the same
ArrowDread - February 6, 2012
I still am confused by how many here
who predicted a 7-8 win season even without injuries (given how much more difficult our schedule was this year), are so down on a 7 win season after losing 2 of our best players…
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
I'm down on how they reached 7 wins.
And the schedule wasn’t near as hard as we thought it was going to be. They finished almost right in the middle, as far as schedule strength.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
True story
We got some breaks (like CHI not having Cutler).
Of course, we were also unlucky enough to catch DET and BUF when they were red hot…
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
I never understood trying to project future records based on schedule.
In college basektball, maybe, where there’s such a ridiculous home court advantage and not many injuries. But the NFL? Never.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
Thinking about hybernating til the draft...
joplin chiefs fan - February 6, 2012
I do not approve of the "DoughBall" hire
I’ve gotten to the point where I really don’t approve of many of the hires the Chiefs make and i find myself waiting to see. I get that people need chances to succeed, but when you have a proven commodity (Al!) expressing open interest, you have to go for it. What bothers me most about this entire organization is that they think they’re going to prevail with a cupboard full of “Meh!” Maybe they can pull it off but I’m not going to blindly give up my approval just because they’re my favorite team. I’ve spent too much time being disappointed and this guy’s track record smells like more of the same.
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
Is your biggest fault with the Daboll hire that he isn't Al Saunders?
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
give me a break
that’s not at all what I said. I said Al has a proven track record. DoughBall does not. I have a problem with the fact that we hired the lesser of two coaches. Make sense now?
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
I didn't say that is what you said, :)
I was just asking.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
;) gotcha
There’s your answer
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
Sorry Buck, but that was a really pissy response to an honest question.
At least it sounded as such to me….Not trying to be a prick or anything.
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
No need for that
Me and Buck’O can play nice.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Sure we can
Sorry I’m “pissy.” I’ve had more than a few heated discussions about this already where others think I need to change my opinion. Bottom line is this Patriots West stuff is tired. I couldn’t be any more unimpressed with this hire.
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
Meh...
I respect your opinion, even if we don’t always agree.
I can see people calling this a Patriot thing and writing it off, but I would rather pick apart the hire based off it’s own merits.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
That's what I'm saying
This guy has a pretty terrible track record. Good to see that his offense in Miami showed some improvement this year but overall, his body of work is pretty piss poor.
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
But at least he has improved
the Chiefs didn’t hire a guy that was steadily getting worse.
He seems like he is ready to come into his own and with the Chiefs potential weapons on offense, his job shouldn’t be to difficult.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
It's been six years since he coached with the Patriots.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Correct, and lots of folks forget that he spent the rest of his time coaching with Shotty and Henry Ellard in NY.
He’s run versions of the same Coryell offense that Saunders would bring ever since.
I think his scheme in CLE and MIA was a hybrid…be good to talk to a Dolfan and see what their take is.
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
Red Hot Scott and the Patriot Way Band (tm)
Haven’t had a hit chart since 2007…2010 had a strong single out, but it was only big on ITunes.
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
No, it's good, I'm down with both of you. I'm just not used to Buck turning the passion on so directly at folks.
Just caught me off guard is all. I enjoy what you both have to say, and always have.
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
thanks for point that out for me :)
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
Like I said, I really wasn't trying to be rude--and I'm sorry if it came out that way.
I’m used to Buck’O having something to say; that particular comment seemed a little…more than I’m used to?
Probably how I read it. It’s all good….I enjoy your take on life, always have.
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
Prolly was a bit rough
Sorry. And yes, I do feel strongly about this. I think the Chiefs really missed a great opportunity here.
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
I'll lose some faith if I don't see some staff changes.
Daboll worked with some useful people in New York and Miami—Ellard with receivers, Steve Bush with TE’s, Mike Devlin with TE’s/o-line…I’d really like to see some NOT E-P coaches brought in to spice things up too.
For example, I like Mo Carthon as an ass’t head coach/designated yeller. But do his backs ever develop? Can he coach a kid with speed to be a pure runner? If not (and I think he cannot), we need to swap his ass out for another coach who is just as committed to pass protection AND can teach a back patience in the hole, how to read blocks, and how to hang onto the ball.
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
I agree completely
And your statement would require a whole lot of outside the box thinking. From everything I’ve seen in the last three years, we may have far to great an emphasis on loyalty to accomplish this. I very much hope you’re right and I’m wrong.
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
Depends on how much voice they give Daboll, I think.
One thing I like about him is that he has been in a variety of situations and teams.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
At the end of the day, that's my big hope with Daboll.
Has he been off the island enough to know to bring in some contrary voices? Some guys who can TEACH the position instead of just yell or “commit to the scheme we’re running.”
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
Ellard would be a great receivers coach to get
combined with the things they learned from Todd our unit would really be good IMO.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
That's my hope....Ellard and maybe Mike Devlin, the TE's/OT's coach with the Jets.
I am biased for Devlin, not only because he’s 1) gotten Ferguson to run block, 2) made Wayne Hunter adequate enough to get a professional football contract, and 3) taught Dustin Keller how to run block when he’s interested…
But he’s also a Hawkeye.
damn homerism ;)
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
There are a lot of names out there
I was hoping for an announcement today.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Al does have a proven track record.
But then so did Gunther when we brought him back.
Looking at the Brian Daboll hire, he is a good fit in some ways, that should easily fit in with the staff and has recent experience installing offenses. Hopefully he learned some valuable things during the last few seasons.
He is not a slam dunk, but he has a good opportunity in Kansas City to be a long term hire.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
And everyone with a proven track-record now....
was once a young up-and-comer without one. Wouldn’t it be nice to get a good coach on the way up instead of on the way down?
Not saying Daboll is a guarantee, but hiring Saunders would have given us a geriatric coaching staff. Saunders did great things here, but expecting him to come back and catch lightning in a bottle for a second time is just unrealistic.
joplin chiefs fan - February 6, 2012
That wasn't the only down side to Saunders.
It would have meant more change for our offense (which wouldn’t be a bad thing) but ultimately, I think the Chiefs thought Daboll would fit in better with the staff that was already in place and that is huge.
Plus, perhaps Brian Daboll has a hire ceiling than Al Saunders long term.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
I think there's something to that, yeah.
Do you think they could have been on one staff together? Daboll as ass’t HC/WR’s under Saunders…maybe with Pioli, Crennel etc promoting him as a future HC candidate, might have been a way to hire them both.
Also…since they were both under contract when we interviewed them, I’m left to wonder about compensation: Did Miami just say “Hire the kid,” and Oakland ask for picks or ca$h?
Of course, we’ll never know the answer to that, lol.
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
I have a hard time with that argument
The Chiefs NEED big changes in the way they run their offense. HUGE! Trying to preserve the system is brain-dead IMO. We have talent all over the unit. My opinion was that the rigidity of the system was just as much to blame as anything else.
I also don’t think ageism argument holds much water either. This is a team that’s ready to win now and I think they could have made a better choice here.
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
We have a gigantic hole in our offensive game, which is the inability to run up the middle when the defense expects us to.
Also, our play calling was too predictable. I really don’t think we’re lacking too much else…. An OC can fix one of those things, maybe help with the other.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
score in the red zone
red zone
red zone
red zone
That should be the plan
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Hell yes
I was really hoping the offense would develop a real killer instinct. Hurry up and wait I guess. Fingers crossed. Hope it happens and all that good stuff.
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
Yeah, like I said.
Our offense inside the twenty is so predictable because the defense doesn’t have to commit extra bodies to the inside run.
It’d be about the same thing if we totally sucked at any other major thing – sideline pass, outside run, middle pass. We don’t have to be great at everything, but last year we flat couldn’t do 25% of what any offense is supposed to do. Except when we ran over Indy’s mirage of a defense.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
Yes tinkering with the blocking schemes
and adding a back in FA/low draft could help with that. Or, we could just give the ball to LeRon McClain, but that is just crazy talk.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
I think the Chiefs will look a lot different under Daboll.
Preserving the 2011 system is a bad idea.
Looking at the offense as a whole schematically and adjusting it’s flaws before implementing it in 2012 during a full offseason and calling better smarter plays (in the right situations) is what is needed.
I think Brian Daboll has the potential to just that and more.
A Will Shields hire would help my expectations for this offense. I’m really waiting to see who the grunt work assistants are. Those guys are huge hires for this team.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Yep. More so than ever now.
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
I don't think Daboll is a "same system" guy, Buck.
He hasn’t been on Patriot Island since 2006, and wasn’t involved with an Erhardt based offense from then until he arrived in Miami.
If we’d hired Chad O’Shea or one of the other kid gofers on Bill’s hoodie staff, that would have been one thing. But this guy has been in other systems enough that I feel his approach could freshen up our system quite a bit.
Remember, this system did produce a damn good running game just two years’ back. We’re 1.5 linemen and a serious offseason of conditioning away from bringing that back….any idiot calling plays would be able to see that, if I can.
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
One thing that no one is talking about
is the interview process.
Al Saunders has long had a reputation for not being the best during an interview.
Maybe Brian Daboll was telling them some stuff during the interviews that made them realize how much he has improved since the Patriots Super Bowl winning days.
Perhaps he described in detail just how he was able to dismantle Romeo’s defense after the Chiefs had a bye?
That could have been impressive to Romeo and Scott.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
I will be impressed if he can bring in assistants who are a) competent and b) have not worked, or not worked much, with the Parcells clan.
Keep Mo Carthon to yell at people and enforce accountability, but hire someone who can coach a SCHEME and teach his guys how to read blocks and keep the ball secure. (Note: I feel that Jackie Battle has been wasted under Mo Carthon. Charles got more ball-secure, and better as a pass protector…but that’s it).
Who’ll work with TE’s? Are we keeping Parmalee, who has done a good job there? Will he coach running backs?
Who will teach our wideouts the concepts of the updated offense? If it’s Nick Sirianni, I’m going to be a little cynical.
THE STAFF, to me is just as key as the playcaller.
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
The O-Line coach is vital
because the clocking schemes in 2011 were broken.
Pat Perles did a poor job, but I blame the Bill Muir promotion more than anything.
And now? Well…now it is time to move on, but these position coaches are going to be the key to the Chiefs future success. Everything has to fit together.
It is so much who they are or where they can from, but if they can work together and will the Chiefs players respond well to their methods of teaching and motivating?
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
blocking
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Gotta go with a combo-scheme...some zone, some man. Just like in the good old days ('01-'06).
We keep drafting guys who can make it work (Asamoah, Hudson, signing Mims, Harris). Now we need to find a teacher for a line coach, who knows how to adjust schemes in-game, and we’re set.
Anyone know anything about the guy from Oakland (and Chicago and Cincy before that)? Bob Wylie? His lines kicked a lot of ass in Canada.
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
I've heard he is sailing?
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Nice....
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
One thing that will go miles in making me believe you
is if we end up with some massive new beef on the O-line. You know, like over 300lbs. I really want to see a healthy combination of ZB and PB to keep the opposing defense guessing. Sad continuously seeing the pocket collapse
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
Cordy Glenn ftw.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
Osemele as a consolation prize.
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
It will be interesting to see how much the conditioning changes
Todd Wanted guys to be lean and have stamina.
Does that stay the same or do the conditioning plans change a little this year? Romeo made some early simple changes to the schedule. That implies he might make some more changes that he didn’t 100% believe in with Todd in charge.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Absolutely. I'll be watching that with keen interest myself
I have to say, I was a fan of the conditioning but I do believe there is a middle ground there. I’d rather see linemen bigger than haley seemed to like them.
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
Happy mediums are good
youre lineman don’t need to be skinny IMO, just quick and agile.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
The pocket collapsed more so due to bad QB play than it did o-line play
It won’t matter how big and beefy the o-line is if Cassel/Palko line up under center, the pocket will eventually collapse, or actually it will appear to collapse because Cassel will make one read, and start Casseling and run right into a sack
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
I think the blocking schemes were coached poorly
and the players didn’t understand their assignments.
So many plays happened where one or more Chiefs were standing there with no one to block. That is a coaching issue and a player in game intelligence issue.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
I can't claim to have watched every game this season, specifically the last 3rd of the season
So I can’t speak on this totally knowledgeably, but the times I did see a linemen get outplayed, it was regularly Richardson off the edge. From what I saw, the middle held their ground admirably (barring a couple of Wiegmann total failures) and Albert is becoming a fairly consistent pass blocker.
Cassel just makes them look so much worse than they really are, with his juking and jiving unnecessarily in the pocket while not keeping his eyes down field and shoulders square to make a throw. Despite then losing last night, I thought Brady put on a clinic on how to move in the pocket last night; such fantastic awareness and body control to avoid the rushers while keeping himself ready to make a quality throw. I’m jealous we don’t have a QB that can do that.
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
So are about 25-28 other teams...
But the problems with coaching are the false starts, the choice of personnel on different packages made zero sense (Pulling Bowe, Breaston and Baldwin out on third down plays where you pass Daboll?)
Pulling LeRon McClain out of the backfield in favor of third string TE’s…WTF?
There were so many little problems that they all added up and created issues that shouldn’t have been issues at all. As for the QB, it isn’t going to be Matt Cassel in 2012, so that should help. I have no issues with him being the back up though.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
I'll be sold when
He builds a system that fits the strengths and weaknesses (Because there’s plenty of both!) and shows that not only is he able to game plan but that he can call plays with a bit of creativity. I’ve now read that he can be creative and also that he cannot. I’m hoping he’s a guy who can make adjustments in the middle of a game that don’t sink our chances to win. Further, I hope like hell he can make adjustments and evolve the unit over the course of the season. If he has any grey-matter between his ears and can actually use it effectively, I’m on board. He has a lot to prove first though.
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
Agreed
everything will change when the season starts and he gives us a real reason for criticism or praise.
He has an enormous amount to prove, but with me… He has a clean slate.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
I'm go_saleaumua, and I approve this message.
/damn political ads
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
When you mess with Daboll
You get the horns….
Sudden - February 6, 2012
But da Red Bull gives you wings!
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
or a hug?
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Al Saunders
A provable commodity that led a barely-better offense than the one Daboll was running, despite having more talent.
Al is very overrated here on AP.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
I wouldn't go that far
If the team would have hired Al, I don’t think any of us would have said “damn, we should have hired Daboll. He did just as well as Al, but with less talent”.
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
True enough
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
i agree bad choice
Copy the pats. Meh. They might get to the big game but then they lose.it
ArrowheadHunter - February 6, 2012 via mobile
Except for the three times they didn't.
Sure glad we don’t have to worry about losing the Super Bowl.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
I'm sorry, but when was Daboll an OC for the Pats?
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Didn't you know, mn?
As soon as the chiefs hire or sign anyone, that immediately makes them a “patriot retread”, and thus clearly a bad idea
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
Shhh...meme-killer.
Can’t you see a good baseless rumor starting when you READ it? Guuuuhhhh….
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
I actually like it
I actually like this hire for a couple reasons. 1)he’s young which brings hopefully some long term stability opposed to Al Saunders who probably only has a few years left. 2)he’s only coordinated a few years and regardless of how talented the teams he coordinated were, we should see those with a little grace. All good coaches have some learning years to them and I think he showed that even with the Dolphins last year with a backup QB and no offseason for them to learn his offense. I think we need someone who is an up and comer and eventhough he may be coming from the “Bellicheck” tree, I like it. Ultimately if these guys can work really well together, that’s awesome because you can’t quantify the benefit of synergy and people actually being on the same page. 3) He has shown he creates systems and plays around players and doesn’t try to make them something they’re not which EVERY team needs, not just teams with quarterback issues. Think about the best organizations, they operate out of the strengths of THEIR members, not trying to plug a round peg into a square hole.
Now that I’ve written a book, I’m done.
bdom - February 6, 2012
Agreed...
The Haley/Muir offense looked like they were still trying to run the same offense without JC that they would have with him. That’s understandable in week 2 or 3. Not for a whole season.
I’m really hopeful that Pioli isn’t as worthless as we’ve all fear lately.
This is the first young coordinator we’ve had since Pioli arrived.
joplin chiefs fan - February 6, 2012
Daboll's not the dreamboat hire we all were looking for (well, some of us were looking for).
I honestly expected to see Carthon promoted. I really did…That would have been a breaking point for me at least.
This is a pretty “meh” hire when you first look at it. The guy did some cool things in Miami last year, and could bring a fresh approach to our system. That on its own is a good thing.
I was shocked that Saunders even expressed interest (maybe this team ISN’T so bad to work for?), and even more so that Red Hot Scott and the Patriot Way Band interviewed him for the gig. Considering his availability and six years in the NE “tree” I wasn’t surprised to see Daboll being interviewed either…
(OT: Anyone that thought Red Hot Scott would really talk to Bruce Arians or, Jeebus help us Mike Martz, was off their rocker).
I wonder what this means for Jim Zorn. Is he really the bridesmaid in this whole deal? Because Saunders will get another shot at coaching wideouts somewhere else, likely even as ass’t head coach. His resume is too thick and proven. But good old Zorno—will he stay and work for a man he doesn’t know? Or will he try and find another team that might give him a shot at calling plays as well as working with the quarterbacks?
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
Zorn is under contract.
I don’t think he’s in a position to start calling his shots. The best thing he could do is finish his contract, and then he can see what else is out there. If he helps the Chiefs’ offense be successful, he’ll have no problem finding another gig.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
He could retire I suppose
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Well yeah.
If he doesn’t care much about his career in the NFL. He’s not exactly a hot commodity now, and that wouldn’t help him.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
True story
I’m sure he’s upset, but that’s life.
I actually prefer Daboll to promoting Zorn (barely)
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Me too.
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
I second that, but by a lot
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
I third that, by quite a bit.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
A lot of folks wouldn't stick around a workplace if they got passed over for the top job.
I could see retirement…resignation (college ball for a year maybe?)…or sticking w/ it. As Tark mentioned he IS under contract.
I doubt Red Hot Scott would let him go though—he is a competent QB coach who has playing years and coaching years under his belt in this system. Plus if he and Daboll click, that would be a huge benefit for all of our passers—Stanzi, Rookie Passer X, Token Veteran QB (Orton? Campbell?) and Cassel.
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
His absolute best career move
would be to stay and help whoever is QB + Daboll be extremely successful. He’d probably have no problem getting an OC gig after that. Yeah, he’s probably hating life a little bit right now, but he needs to suck it up and put it behind him.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Hey, if worse comes to worse, our offense kicks ass, Daboll gets hired as the next coach of Whoever Randomly Fires Their Staff...
…and Zorn follows him out the door as OC.
Good grief, I hope he takes Carthon with him in that case, before we hand that man a headset. Ugh.
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
Some positives for Daboll, even though we can't really judge him until he actually coaches for us
Again, I can see the concern by Chiefs fans, but he does have a lot of upside. We’ll just have to wait and see
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
Atleast guy accepts his baldness
instead of trying to hide under a ball cap, ie. Andy Roddick. If you bald, be proud instead of living a lie
ArrowDread - February 6, 2012
Rec
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Agreed and rec'd.
Daboll’d rocks the chrome dome…all he needs is a used Harley and he looks like every off-work computer programmer here in West Des Moines.
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
I predict, based purely on my power to see the future, and absolutely nothing to do with the poll numbers
That all comments on this point will sound like one of three ways:
1) “He sucks. Terrible ‘patriot way’ hire by Egoli. Get ready for mediocrity”
2) “He lead a decent offense lsat season, made Matt Moore servicable, and had nothing to work with in Cleveland. Excited to see what he can do with our healthy offense.”
3) “Wait and see what he does once the season starts. It could go either way. I refuse to accept the AP way and make rash, knee-jerk reactions about a move until I see it pan out”
Which one are you?
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
2
GaryfromIA - February 6, 2012
3
-ish.
I’m in wait and see mode, but I don’t personally like the hire. I can probably quickly be swayed the other way if things start going well on offense.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
2
as seen above
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
I pretty much posted #3 within a minute of your post.
Sudden - February 6, 2012
I'm going to have to drop a deuce there.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Lets come up with some original opinions about the guy
“I bet he can smoke some mean racks and makes a fine rub”
“If his favorite beer is anything besides PBR, he is going to suck at his press conferences”
“The ‘stone cold/goldberg’ look is old and played out. I’m looking for a man that is rocking the comb over and bushy ’stash”
“He will do much better in red and white than he ever did in brown and orange or turquoise and orange”
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
2.5.
And rec’d for the PBR reference (but judging by his appearance, you KNOW Daboll is a High Life Man).
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
4) It's lunchtime, I'm hungry, and bored enough to troll SB commercial pics
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
2
neiowakcfan - February 6, 2012
I'm not going to embrace it with open arms nor give it full throated condemnation.
No more snap judgments from me. We’ll see how it goes. I remain open, and even cautiously optimistic. But we shall see.
Sudden - February 6, 2012
Frankly, I'm getting tired of the Pioli Hate
Yes, ultimately, Pioli makes the OC hire. However, it is the HC that normally gets to decide who he wants on his staff. Therefore, if you don’t like this hire, at least blame the person responsible for it, HC Romeo Crennel.
ChiefWildcat - February 6, 2012
100% agreed
the Pioli hatefest is absurd.
Sudden - February 6, 2012
I guarantee you
if the Chiefs would have made a sexy OC hire, Pioli would have got none of the credit. But since it’s someone unpopular, he gets all the blame.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Yeah
Look at that awesome hire RAC just made!
Totally RAC’d
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Pioli is easy to hate. Romeo is just too nice.
Obviously Pioli has fine nothing but terrible things since he arrived on the scene. If we scapegoat everything we don’t like about the team in him, it will makes us fans feel like we know what we are talking about. We are so smart!
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
Plus the KC media beat their Pioli hate drums every day.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
More fans (or non-fans) that try to sound like they know what they are talking about
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
One thing that really gets me
is how I can take a ten minute drive to lunch, and in that time hear all of the shallowest and most meme-ish AP opinions echoed out of my radio. And then I understand where many of our AP hotheads get a lot of their opinions. It’s just really disappointing how many people let a guy with no talent or, really, intelligence other than in the realm of speaking make their minds up for them.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
That is the power of Talk Radio.
I need to have a drive-time show, just to get some of my arbitrary hate on…
-Colored socks have no place in my dresser drawer
-When they say “Change your oil at 3,000 miles,” do they know that they’re telling you to hand your money, one penny at a time, to the Oil Magnates?
-Elvis Grbac is like cancer with legs
-Anything involving McDonalds beef
(Note…I may be stretching it a bit with the sock drawer comment..but it’s all for ratings and shit).
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
I use a sock bench.
Maybe one of the most awesome furniture buys I ever made, a cushioned bench with a compartment just big enough for my socks, and room underneath for my shoes.
You mentioned McDonalds at lunch time. I now have to go eat McDonalds. When I get cancer, I’m going to name it go-saleaumua.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
HAH....
You’re so funny, I just hired you as my on-air wingman.
It’s OK to hit on the female guests…they’re bought and paid for. Just don’t tell my wife :S
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
Pioli, Clark, and Cassel are holding this team back
ArrowDread - February 6, 2012
I agree with Cassel
But what can Hunt or Pioli do differently to propel this team forward?
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
Trade Cassel and Sign Orton
and trade up for RG3.
old_school - February 6, 2012
might get some batteries from the Raiders
tomachop - February 6, 2012
the raiders?
You might get their entire 2013 draft
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
they have picks left?
tomachop - February 6, 2012
I don't think anyone would be disappointed with that
except Orton, but it is part of the business.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
I'm surprised theres little talk about Flynn coming here
not my choice but still an option
tomachop - February 6, 2012
The smart money says Miami for Flynn.
I’m not a fan of getting Matt Flynn, I think that would end up being a mess.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Agreed
But this isn’t a one way street. It takes two to tango. If Orton signs elsewhere, or we can’t get a team to trade with so we can get RG3, do we still blame Pioli and Hunt for not propelling this team forward?
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
If we traded Cassel I think Orton would sign here
I’m not sure we could get RG3. I’m really just saying that there are things Hunt and Pioli could do. Even if they signed Matt Flynn they would be doing something.
old_school - February 6, 2012
Matt Flynn is the Matt Cassel situation all over again
But on a MUCH smaller sample size of production. I don’t think retrying the Cassel experiment would be the option of choice.
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
He has what, one more year of college football playing experience?
and even less at the pro level.
Nope…let Miami or Washington fight for the guy.
go_saleaumua - February 6, 2012
Agreed
ChiefWildcat - February 6, 2012
I'm not sure you trade Cassel and
hope a free agent decides to sign because of it. You’d have to get something (draft picks) or someone at the QB position in the trade. If you get picks and no QB, and Orton signs elsewhere, you go into the draft with Stanzi.
But, hey, it would certainly force KC’s hand. You either sign a FA QB like Flynn (for way too much money) or Manning (still health concerns) or go high in the draft (maybe higher than you would like) for another rookie QB.
neiowakcfan - February 6, 2012
Sell the team to the city, GB style
Send Pioli back up Belichick’s ass, where hes comfortable
ArrowDread - February 6, 2012
And once the team is publicly owned and Pioli is sent packing, who becomes the GM?
I got a feeling if its not someone who brings a championship in less than three years, you would be signing the same tune about sending “back up (someone’s) ass” too
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
And whoever they hired
would bring in guys he’s connected to, as every other GM does. So it would just turn from The Patriot Way to The [insert team here] Way.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Marty gets full control
The KANSAS CITY way
ArrowDread - February 6, 2012
I like that we appear to be moving away from the "Run First @ All Costs " Mode...
This guy is known for stretching the field & using his RB’s in the passing game…Saunders -like in and of itself ( Only it still has that “New Car Smell” )…Now if we only had a QB on the roster who could sling it…“Stanzi !!!…Toe the Line !!!…”…
KCChef - February 6, 2012
The more I think about it, the less this hire means to me
It’s all about who our quarterback is going to be. And if it’s Cassel, I don’t see our offense exploding a la New England or New Orleans. Unless Daboll can make Cassel’s arm a little stronger and improve his accuracy, I don’t see how the offensive coordinator is going to make or break this team.
old_school - February 6, 2012
I'm beginning to wish Pioli stayed in NE.
I don’t like any association with them, and the more he keeps things “in house” the more things worry me.
12t - February 6, 2012
So you don't like going to 5 superbowls in a decade?
Or the playoffs all the time?
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
and...
be labled cheaters. That lable will not go away easily, and just look how many players, ex @ now, as well as fans dislike the Pats.
12t - February 6, 2012
Fans usually hate successful teams other than their own.
You think Patriots fans care that they’re hated or called cheaters? You think they’d rather be well liked losers?
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Like the 49's...
or the Cowboys, or Steelers. Those teams picked up fans by the droves. Funny thing is though, NY may be #2 in the all time cheating debate.
12t - February 6, 2012
And Pats have picked up bandwagoners by the droves too.
The Cowboys are probably the most hated team in the NFL. Probably the most popular too, but that’s how it goes with successful teams.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Isn't GB?
I’m thinking I saw somewhere where they sell the most crap. I’d say the Pats are the most hated nowdays. The Boys have been down for so long. Wonder how many closet 49’r fans came back this year.
12t - February 6, 2012
Only people that call out the Pats for being cheaters are trolls
Everyone in the league did what they were doing. They just got called out on it.
Also…people hate winners.
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
weird… it took out my subject line under “Only people that call out the Pats for being cheaters are trolls” and added another post.
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
Just don't get caught...
the problem I have with Pioli is he looks guilty without even being charged. On one hand he looks to be big on getting guys he can trust, but who would trust him after the way he did Haley last season?
12t - February 6, 2012
what did he do to Haley last season
we no absolutely nothing about what really happened…and that’s why people think negatively about Pioli. Everything that you hear from other GMs etc are ALL positive about him. Unfortunately for his reputation, he’s a sitting duck and the KC media just trashes the guy because they know they can get away with it. I mean… give a reporter/radio guy free run at you and you don’t defend yourself? Of COURSE they’re going to spin controversy.
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
I guess it's more about what he didn't do...
Any GM that doesn’t back the coach 100% til the day he fires him (I’m not against the firing. I’d have done it much sooner.) won’t work for me. Kind of like a HC standing behind the QB. The so called “Rumors” look pretty darn true now.
12t - February 6, 2012
Something else we should consider
People forget that Peyton Hillis broke out under Daboll. His numbers significantly dropped in 2012 (even accounting for # of games played). That goes along with Reggie Bush having a career year as well.
If Charles is healthy… I don’t see why we can’t lead the league in rushing again.
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
That might be tough to do with Daboll
He would have to run a lot more.
Personally, I’m looking forward to him altering the Chiefs passing attack and using more Slants to the Killer B’s and fades into the end zone in the red zone.
The Chiefs have a great opportunity to get better on offense, running and throwing.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
In 2010
when Cassel and Bowe had all their touchdowns, didn’t we lead the league in rushing?
Not 100% but I think we were close, if not #1 and still had a good passing attack.
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
Yes the Chiefs led the league in rushing
and it did make the passing game better.
The play calling was also better in 2010, but a healthy Jamaal is the biggest difference. Nothing else even comes close.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
agreed
Does anyone think McClain can fill the role of Jones?
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
I think McClain should be re-signed
but should remain the badass fullback that he is. Love his tweets, his positive vibes and his pass catching ability is a great bonus.
Thomas Jones should be gone and I think the Chiefs should bring some competition for Jamaal, Dex and Jackie. Perhaps in the draft or through free agency. I can imagine a backfield with Forte, Charles, Dex and McClain.
At that point you could play QB.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
I think McClain should definitely be resigned
give him a bigger role as well.
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
gotta remember the schedule that year
sure its the NFL but we played against the NFC west that year and the Seahawks won the div. with a 7-9 record. And we had a fourth place schedule. Now 10-6 is a nice record but not stellar
tomachop - February 6, 2012
Well for all you remember the schedule talkers
the schedule next year should be pretty tame.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
get DeCastro and all is well!
except for that one position,…hmmmm
tomachop - February 6, 2012
Add beef to the line, Charles / Moeaki healthy, and Joels grandmother could lead this team to the Super Bowl
I’m not saying…I’m just saying.
DivineGrace - February 6, 2012
Would much rather have Flynn then Cassel
If it was a choice between the two…
Would rather have Orton stay but I don’t think that is going to happen with Cassel here
BackFire - February 7, 2012
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