Arrowhead Pride

Have similar problems on PCs, no problems on Apple products

My guess is there is just so much info on the home page that it takes a while to load

HIV 2 Elway - February 6, 2012 reply

I always took you for an apple guy..

Do you wear skinny jeans too? j/p :)

Skinny jeans are so last year, I only sport pajama jeans

HIV 2 Elway - February 6, 2012 reply

If you're not going in a track suit

Don’t bother going at all.

Forever Lazy > Pijama jeans

ArrowDread - February 6, 2012 reply

Rock the "jeggings"

like my 10 year old daughter. So Steven Tyler-esque…

wouldn't surprise me if there are geographic carrier issues with the routing tables

I’m on the west coast and about a month ago I was having huge problems and nobody else was. I know for a fact that there have been massive route poisoning attacks in recent weeks. You might just have to wait it out.

only problem I'm having,

is a half naked guy popping up on my screen

dbakerku - February 6, 2012 reply

LOL

honestly, I was hoping he’d be gone by now…but, I’ve also been hoping #7 would be gone by now too.

Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012 reply

Welcome to the Kansas City Chiefs Brian Daboll!!!

Please no Favre

Let’s improve this offense!

Adios Jim Zorn.

you were a temp anyway, cuz you got no patriot ties.

rdc - February 6, 2012 reply

last I heard, he WAS staying on

I don't think he said he was staying,

just that reports saying that he would leave if the didn’t get the job were not true.

BinSC - February 6, 2012 reply

LaCanfora said he's staying, after he reported on the Daboll hire

awesome, we keep our QB coach!

now all we need is a QB :-)

upamtn - February 6, 2012 reply

ANNNNDDDDD....

Boom goes the dynamite!

Agreed

only under the condition that he doesn't get the OC job in PITT

IPWT2009 - February 6, 2012 reply

I haven't seen one report linking Zorn to Pittsburgh

And don’t see any significant connection to anyone on their staff.

LaCanforna said it

don’t get angry at me

IPWT2009 - February 6, 2012 reply

He didn't actually say it.

I think that’s the only immediate open OC spot left in the league is it not? That’s how I understood the quote but it wouldnt be the first time i misread something.

maybe Haley was putting in a good word there for Zorn ...

… as a favor to his dad, or something

upamtn - February 6, 2012 reply

Right.

He only mentioned the Steelers as a vacancy. He didn’t say that Zorn was being considered.

I'd repeat my opinion, but I won't.

bossmanham - February 6, 2012 reply

That's alright

if you say you don’t like the hire, you’ll have at least one of us agree with you

Make that two

can he fix the qb?

tomachop - February 6, 2012 reply

can he play QB?

IPWT2009 - February 6, 2012 reply

being from the land of misfit toy and all

tomachop - February 6, 2012 reply

toys

tomachop - February 6, 2012 reply

It's "official" now? Damn. I was still holding out hope of it being a wild rumor.

Scott B. - February 6, 2012 reply

Can't be any worse

And really what hiring would’ve made AP happy beyong a 20% approval rating besides Saunders who has one foot in the grave.

The offense cant get any worse*

agreed

and I can’t name another good candidate… except Saunders, who is old and under contract in Oak

The only I can think of is Hue Jackson

And its not like teams are banging down his door to get him hired so there’s got to be something more to that story.

the way he sold his players out and such

I’m sure that’s part of it

Apparently a lot of "arrogance" talk...

Although I still would’ve liked the hire.

I’m guessing his criminal trade for Palmer played a part as well.

hey, he had to "take a chance" right? go after his QBotF ... roll the dice ...

right? (angelic smile)

upamtn - February 6, 2012 reply

30 years old does not equal QBOTF

That was the exact opposite of long term thinking. It was short term thinking at its worst.

I tried to explain this last week

to someone who wants us to draft Weeden

Unless they believe Weeden can start from day 1

And be a good starter, they should not.

If they DO, then go for it.

Great point

and I think that he could be that guy. Still, I’d rather get Manning (his willingness to re-structure his contract with zero guaranteed dollars up front is really enticing) and find a true QBotF in the draft.

From everything I've read

Weeden would be considered a franchise QB if it wasn’t for the age.

If they take him in the 2nd I won’t be upset.

True words...all of em.

Si, Senoir

Unless they believe Weeden can start from day 1
And be a good starter

I’ve been agreeable with this also. If Weedon is an Andy Dalton minimum right off, and up from there, then go for it!

LocoLoboChico - February 6, 2012 reply

Yessir!

I think Weeden could be a Dalton right off.

SCKSChief - February 7, 2012 reply

Just a tad different

from drafting a 22 year old.

My fear is not that the Offense will get worse...

It’s that it won’t get better.

Scott B. - February 6, 2012 reply

Fair enough.

What candidate out there other the Daboll, who you have been comfortable with “approving” or knowing that the offense would get better? You don’t have to answer but if you start looking at who’s available and actually even look at the guys in this league that have OC positions already and there’s no one that really jumps off the page.

What does it matter if people approve or not?

Let the guy prove his worth. In the mean time some will belly-ache and some will “warm up” to it. :)

Most of the time I take the middle of the road approach but this one just sorta… pisses me off

yeah, can't please everyone

under my skin

It will get better just by going back to default

after Jamaal and Moeaki return.

for sure

Hopefully we can quit playing OC hot potato...

Iczer - February 6, 2012 reply

Meh.

If they don’t think it’s working, there’s no point to giving an OC more time to prove themselves. Fire him and move on, keep looking for one that fits.

Usually takes moe than 1 year to put a system in place though

Maybe to have it running at 100%...

But the people in charge should be able to see the progress the OC is making, judge his coaching methods, see the way the players react, etc.

If they don’t like the progress being made, why wait to make a change? Jamaal isn’t going to stay young forever.

You mean progress like...

Scoring over 25 points in 6 of your last 9 games, and over 30 in 4 of those, despite having limited weapons? :)

I wouldnt call it limited weapons...

Reggie Bush, Brandon Marshall, Daniel Thomas, Davonne Bess, Anthony Fasano.

If those are your examples of them having weapons

I rest my case. And notice the lack of a QB…

I would say Moore is better than Cassel or at least equal to

You are wrong sir

Brad-KC - February 6, 2012 reply

Technically.. you could argue

that the Chiefs and Dolphins look pretty similar.. Bush=Charles, Marshall=Bowe, Bess=McCluster, Fasano=Pope/Moeaki (Moeaki is always hurt), Matt Moore= Cassel, The only difference is that they have a better 2nd running back..

Bush=Charles?

I had to stop there.

WOAHHHH

Im not saying hes as good as.. im saying they look similar.. hes a speedy back that can catch balls out of the backfield. You put them head to head, your damn right Charles wins.. The rest of them would be pretty equal in talent though

Bush= Charles?

Dude just had his first 1000 yard season. Not even close. He was completely written off as a real RB, which is why he was shipped out of NO.

I’ll give you Marshall.

McCluster had more than 150% the offensive production of Bess, and played a different position. The correct comparison would be Breaston, who is better than Bess

Thomas would be correctly compared to Dex. So let’s look
Dex- 587 yards on 132 carries (4.4), 328 yards REC, 3 TD total
Thomas- 581 yards on 165 (3.5), 72 yards REC, 1 TD total
PLUS, Dex was a ST contributor.
So Dex > Thomas in pretty much every way you can measure.

I’ll allow us to call Fasano a push, and Moore

So So they get a “push” in 3 places (and that’s factoring in Moeaki being hurt) and are worse than us with the other 3 places mentioned.

Again, this is not a team with many weapons.

If Moeaki is alwas hurt,

then so is Berry and Charles?

This isnt Moeaki first injury

In fact the big problem with him oput of college was that he couldnt stay healthy there either. I dont know how many games hes played in as a pro- can someone look this up? Hes been in the league what 3-4 years now?

Last year was his rookie year

and he missed 1 game with a concussion

Thanks..

Cant look it up because work has about every website on lockdown.. Except for AP :) Alright so he has a concussion and he blew out a knee. maybe not as bad as i was making it out.. but he hasnt shows he can stay healthy for an entire year.

LOL..

He’s been in the NFL for 2 years. Played 15 games his rookie year (2010) and missed this season due to a freak plague of ACL tears that shook the NFL this year (thanks lockout).

Yeah, he missed some college games, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Plenty of players have had injury issues in college and went on to be successful NFL players. Off the top of my head, Priest Holmes and Adrian Peterson come to mind.

ya those last 3 are a stretch

ExRoyalsFan - February 6, 2012 reply

How so?

Just curious of your oppinion.. In my mind. Dexter McCluster is no where near as good as the majority of Chiefs fans think he is.. And you dont think that Fasano is better than Moeaki? What has Moeaki done since hes been here?

He had a better rookie season than Tony Gonzalez.

Disagree: Dex is underrated here

Over 800 yards from scrimmage, 4.4 YPC, despite being used horribly by Haley for much of the year.

You don't think draws up the middle best utilize his skills?

I know. Crazy, right?

I just got NFL rewind back and am about to start my “breaking down” series again.

I’m going to start with T-Jax for sure. But I may skip Gregg (as he’s a FA) and go right into offensive players. Maybe Dex would be a good place to start?

I’m really sick of hearing how he’s no good after he had an excellent season.

been saying it all year, Dex gets no love here for some reason...

him and Breaston were silent contributors all season…

SFLChief - February 6, 2012 reply

Breaston was a God-send

The coaches need to look at some old game film of Marshall Faulk and LT and think a little harder about how to play Dex. Wasting a second round pick on a guy like that and then playing him the way they have has been a real bummer to watch.

Dex has the same problem as T-Jax.

He’s being judged based on where he was drafted, rather than what he’s doing on the field.

Exactly

I intend on addressing that argument at some point.

At a certain point what matters is whether a player produces.

Frankly, I’ll take 800 yards from scrimmage from a 2nd rounder all day.

To an extent

Makes me cringe to see 168lbs trying to run up the middle. Again, to my point, I don’t think it’s his fault. I look forward to seeing him used properly.

Me too.

Me two

Dex didn't get used right until Haley got fired

Yeah

looked pretty good to me

Yep

Didn’t do much against GB, but was great against both OAK and DEN

This

But also.. We all know that McCluster was drafted to play the slot.. not to carry the football, Yeah they might use him in the backfield.. but he cant take the pounding that a normal running back can.. Hes Dante Hall without juke moves

He produced more on offense this year than Dante ever did

I don’t care what he was drafted to do. He produced as a RB.

I don't think Dex is underrated per se

I think he’s a bit overrated but it’s not his fault. It’s purely because of the way he’s been used thus far.

If they start tossing screen passes to him and then you’ll see him earn all kinds of praise. If DoughBall can do things like this on a regular basis I’ll shut the hell up about him and hop on board.

I guess I see most people here refer to him as a role player

My question is: how many role players get 800 yards from scrimmage?

imagine how many he gets when utilized to the best of his abilities?!?!

Watching him run up the middle makes me want to stab my eyes out

It made me want to stab Haley's eyes out.

likewise

JayhawksNChiefs - February 6, 2012 reply

Dex is extremely underrated here.

Second most productive player on our offense this year.

This

I wish hugely that this said more...

Okay.

This

What has Moeaki done since hes been here?

Other than have a rookie season identical to Fasano’s best?

And since then, hes played a handfull of games.

At some point our “stud” TE is gonna get cut because he cant stay healthy..

Calm down, this was his SECOND season. There’s plenty of players who’ve gone down with season ending injuries and have come back. I just think it’s a little too soon to even talk about getting cut…

Who else do we have at TE besides him that can catch worth a damn anyways?

Iczer - February 6, 2012 reply

Oh im calm dammit...

You calm down!!! IM A PEOPLE PERSON! IM GOOD AT DEALING WITH PEOPLE!! No but really, your right.. we dont have anyone else.. but if we draft a TE this year.. you can say bye to Tony.

I for one would be totally pissed if they cut Tony because of an ACL tear.

Are we gonna cut Berry and Jamaal too, because they “can’t stay healthy”?

You have to get rid of Bowe too

since he didn’t finish the Denver game

I think your missing the fact..

That isnt some freak occurence or run of bad luck.. the guy is notorious for getting hurt and, so far, he hasnt shown different in the NFL. I dont think they will cut the guy based on the last two years.. but you have to admit that if they draft a TE in this years draft.. Its not looking good for him.

A torn ACL doesn't mean the end of a career anymore

Brady returned from his just fine
Welker, the guy that led the league in catches, returned just fine
Gore tore up both of his knees and he does just fine

I think Moeaki, JC, and Berry will come back strong next year

It's legal to carry more than one TE.

Just ask the Patriots.

i for one wouldn't complain

about getting another TE to complement Moeaki. Pope is alright, but an upgrade wouldn’t not be a bad thing

Agreed.

TEs can be very valuable, especially if you don’t have a strong armed QB.

15 games out of 2 seasons is more than a handful.

Hopefully

KC can quit playing shitty offense.

Hopefully there's an actual QB competition, with non-scrub talent

And hopefully the best man wins the spot regardless of what his name or jersey number read.

That would require Pioli to NOT be the GM

His dick is so far up #7’s ass you can’t tell where one stops and the other begins.

Weak certainty

Amen

RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile reply

LOL

Rec'd for truthfulness

Really?

just highly disappointed..........

right now

You need a Red Bull vodka.

Ha!

Still sugar coating your opinions I see, SC.

Come on, dude … just say you’re truly thinking. It ain’t hard.

That would require Pioli to NOT be the GM
His dick is so far up #7’s ass you can’t tell where one stops and the other begins.

LocoLoboChico - February 6, 2012 reply

I know man, sorry.

I really need to learn how to just open up and spill my guts. I’ll work on that.

SCKSChief - February 7, 2012 reply

de-rec'd for untruthfulness

if he stays with #7 this year, i’ll listen to your argument, but it’s too early to tell that will be the case. 3 years is long enough to know if someone is going to be good or not, but not long to show that Pioli is too stubborn to move on. i would have stayed with cassel up until this point if i where in his shoes. now that cassel has had 3 years, and hasn’t proven that he can carry the team to the promise land, it’s time to move on.

"untruthfulness" eh?

What makes your opinion of something yet to occur more truthful than anyone else’s? At this point ANY opinion of something in the FUTURE is an assumption or prognostication. Nothing about ANY of those things are true or otherwise.

SCKSChief - February 7, 2012 reply

i never said my opinion is more truthful

my point was that there is no proof that pioli has his dick up cassel’s ass. i only used the untruthfulness comment because you already received a rec for truthfulness, when in fact your comment has no facts that might make it true. it was more a jab at other commenters, commenting on your comment, then your comment itself. your entitled to think pioli has a 16 incher up cassel’s pearly white buttocks; i just don’t see any proof that would make me agree.

Leaf - February 7, 2012 reply

My guess is it is barely a 6 incher

but I hear what you’re saying.

SCKSChief - February 8, 2012 reply

Unless, of course, the fact that #7 is still considered "QBotF" by brass

isn’t proof enough. Again, that is speculation, but we’ve yet to see anything to the contrary, so it is something we can run with.

SCKSChief - February 8, 2012 reply

Not sure about this move.

Will wait and see.

Here is the problem I have.

All of our weapons will be back on the field offensively next year.
I believe we will have a great offense.
the problem is, is that Daboll will get all the credit for it and in a few years when we lose some guys the front office will stick with a subpar coordinator because we had a couple great years with great talent in spite of a so-so coach in Daboll.

Brian Harris - February 6, 2012 reply

He's only been a OC for 3 years.

Who’s to say he won’t grow into the position and actually become a good OC?

Because we don't believe in reason.

NJChieffan16 - February 6, 2012 reply

'Course not.

That would be too reasonable.

You caught on very well.

NJChieffan16 - February 6, 2012 reply

that's not reason

its faith

sm7600 - February 6, 2012 reply

As long as I don't get the vibe of the Chiefs running on damn near every first down

And running a draw play on 3rd and long 95% of the time, I will give this man credit for better play calling

Throw in using Dex as a RB more and a gadget player yes

And throwing at least 6 quick slants to Bowe per game.

there are somethings I agree with...

He hasn’t worked around much talent, so its possible that with talent he may be able to do more. But his offense isn’t all that great.

Maybe he will maybe he wont, Just havent seen very much to like this guy right now.

With that said, I hope in three years I look back on Daboll and eat my own words for doubting.

Brian Harris - February 6, 2012 reply

stupid reply button

Brian Harris - February 6, 2012 reply

Agreed

Hugh Jackson or Al Saunders > Daboll

ArrowDread - February 6, 2012 reply

Yes

Also why I’m not happy about this

JayhawksNChiefs - February 6, 2012 reply

Says those that know all.

Were all successful coaches immediately successful? Did some struggle and receive large amounts of criticism before being regarded as a good coach? This dude is young and could end up being a great hire. He could suck it up for a year and get canned. No one knows.

You're absolutely correct

And I hope like hell that the best possible outcome is exactly what we get. My complaint the last few days, and a complaint shared by many others around here is that we have a team that is really close to winning now. This hire, with his track record is uninspiring at best. I would have felt much better with a coach who has a much better track record because this gives me the feeling that we’re continuing to experiment when we’re already in a place where our young players first contracts need to be renewed. Many of these guys aren’t just young pups anymore. They’re in the prime of their careers and it stinks to think that we’re still trying to rebuild. To that end, I think those of us who feel this way have a valid point.

you do

i , myself, still don’t know what to think of this hire, but i share your concerns. it would have been nice to have that sexy, known commodity hire, but i’m upset either, as he has shown some promise. regardless, i’ll stay firmly on the, not sure bench, until after the first game of the season. then i’ll make an overly rash, snap judgment.

debateable.

they definitely have a more extensive resume, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are better.

i'm willing to give the guy a fair shake...

could be just what we need…time will tell…

SFLChief - February 6, 2012 reply

Im trying to reserve judgement here..

I want to see what offense he implaments (sp?). What kind of Offense did he run in Miami? IMO i think we have the skill set for just about any offense he wants to run, we just lack a QB..

Good stuff

I don’t see Pioli ever allowing #7 to not be the guy. Any incoming OC is screwed.

Brad-KC - February 6, 2012 reply

dying a little inside

sigh

good,

see ya

Brad-KC - February 6, 2012 reply

nice

:P

Chiefs should bring in Todd Haley as Offensi....

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…nevermind

ArrowDread - February 6, 2012 reply

Unfortunately

I think i have a better shot at OC than Todd Haley.. I run a tight ship in madden.

Ha!

I'm new here

and I certainly don’t know as much as guys like Matt and SCKS, but I do know what I saw. I saw a Baboll offense leave cleat marks up and down the backs of, what some here consider to be on the cusp of elite defense of ours. How about we wait and see what he can do with the unused weaponry we already have here.

mind the gap - February 6, 2012 reply

Its cool dude,,

I dont claim to know much.. Just have strong oppinions. I said i was gonna reserve judgement to see how he goes through camp and to see some of the moves (trades-player signings-etc.) before i go off the deepend about him.. Like i said (very poorly) above he has alot of the same types of weapons that he did in Miami. Obviously more talented on our end… but Id expect to see the same offense they ran..