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Late last week Gerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette wrote of Todd Haley interviewing with the Pittsburgh Steelers: "The Steelers, in my opinion, are merely doing Haley a favor, which is why I also think they announced his interview on their website."
And this morning, Peter King of SI.com wrote: "The interview with Todd Haley for offensive coordinator was a courtesy interview."
Apparently not.
610 Sports Mark Carman first reported that Todd Haley will be the Steelers offensive coordinator. ESPN's Chris Mortensen is also reporting the news.
Haley was linked to a number of teams after he was fired from the Chiefs on December 12th including the Arizona Cardinals and New York Jets, but nothing materialized.
He's from the Pittsburgh area and his dad was with the organization for a couple of decades.
Oh, by the way, guess who plays in Pittsburgh this season?
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ha! worse than we did :)
ArrowheadHunter - February 6, 2012 via mobile
Greened :)
Congrats to him on getting the job…condolences to Steelers fans.
UCrawford - February 6, 2012
"Oh, by the way, guess who plays in Pittsburgh this season?"
The AFC Champion to be Kansas City Chiefs?
GenericBrand - February 6, 2012
In all seriousness though
I don’t think Haley couldve landed a better job after the debacle here.
GenericBrand - February 6, 2012
He got lucky
LadyChief - February 6, 2012
Luck or not
Our former Coach just landed a great gig.
Congrats Todd Haley.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
He did....................
I thought he wouldn’t…………….It really makes me wonder what was going on at Arrowhead
LadyChief - February 6, 2012
Me too
Somewhere in the grey?
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Yep things weren't rosy
LadyChief - February 6, 2012
possible
and perhaps PART of him landing in Pitt was a “favor” but still … if Tomlin and the Steelers GM and other brass thought Haley was really that much of a flake, they wouldn’t tag him as OC
upamtn - February 6, 2012
The Steelers don't generally make flaky hires
Todd will be there for awhile.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
most likely he will
upamtn - February 6, 2012
or not 0:)
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Except for their QBs.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Are rapists flaky?
I don’t think that term fits right…
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
scummy
LadyChief - February 6, 2012
I would take a "Flaky"
QB who wins me 2 SB’s and 3 AFC Championships…
KSU-Chief - February 6, 2012
bathroom encounter?
Nah, Todd will do well with big Ben.
Haley’s plays take forever to develop and Big Ben always throws at the last moment and doesn’t go down easily.
It should be a great match, not to mention what Todd will do for those receivers.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
but if they do:
WestonK - February 6, 2012
RAC'd nice one
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Ha!
LadyChief - February 6, 2012
Hats off to you!
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Until he gets another shot at HC somewhere.
Which might be a while, unless he gets a few SB rings.
TwelfthMan - February 7, 2012
Wonder what was going on? LOL
Well, to summarize:
Or at least this is what I’ve gathered from my time here on AP…
Tomahawk29 - February 6, 2012
heh, damned near, eh
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Vermeil Verbatim?
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Which AP have you been on?
Muaahahahahhahahaaaaa!!!
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
Your first three sentences were true.
Falcon58 - February 6, 2012
Nice
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
You forgot the part where Pioli actually hired Haley in the first place
just so that he could destroy him.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
Well that goes without saying...
Tomahawk29 - February 6, 2012
Ah. I see I still have much to learn.
Tomahawk29 - February 6, 2012
Absolutely hilarious! And thanks for sharing!
Here’s my take which isn’t funny like yours but is the foundation some serious conspiracy theorists could run with.
FINALLY!!!! It all makes sense! I have been so confused at why he did the things he did. Now what Haley did suddenly makes perfect sense – getting the players to like him, bring in top shelf OC/DC to help him coach us up from 2-14 to 10-6 was to show he could get it done and then he sabotaged everything this year to get fired so he could go home to Pittsburgh. Saved them a draft pick and/or a contract buy out. You know he had to know about Arians being “retired” through the grapevine. To walk in Daddy’s foot prints. Inspirational stories of his glory days telling the boys how he used to be a ball boy during the legendary Steelers years. Resume building, job jumping Puke…puke…puke!
Two things that give me peace of mind after the revelation 1) we get to bitch slap his ass this year and 2) the Steelers will have to live with Palko as their back up to the oft injured Rapeslispberger.
KCMikeG - February 7, 2012
Absolutely hilarious!!
Thanks for sharing.
Aiken_Drum - February 7, 2012
He took a demotion...
Everything is fine at Arrowhead
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
And there are no wars, no famine and Iran loves America.
Both this statement and yours are equally believable.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
No offense LadyChief
but why would you think Haley was going nowhere?
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Tyler Palko
returns home too
TEXAN_CHIEF - February 6, 2012
Haley is just waiting for March 13th.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
The Ides?
Pretty close….
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
It will be interesting to see Tomlin and Haley..................
on the side lines
LadyChief - February 6, 2012
One thing about that,
there is probably NOT going to be a HC opening in Pittsburg soon. Might have played into it since the Pitt brass wouldn’t have given any thought to Haley’s HC potential.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
If Haley does win out there
This could open the door for him getting another job someday as Head Coach.
Todd Haley will grow into a great head coach out there working under Tomlin and his demeanor. I’m sure Ken Whisenhunt helped him get the job in one form or another.
Firing Todd may look like a terrible move in five years. Hopefully it works out well for both sides.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
I'm sure it will. Pitt is a good, stable place.
But, he won’t be getting a HC job there, OC only unless/until he leaves.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
Yeah, some other team will pluck his services.
Maybe the Cowboys after Garrett fails.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
THAT may be pretty likely.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
There was no better way for him to improve his stock than going to Pittsburgh.
Nice to see him land on his feet.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Well in 5 years I expect Kc to be a contender
And one of the top teams. Haley was driving us in the ground. We made the right choice.
Wrestler189s - February 6, 2012 via mobile
yeah, right into the ground in 2010
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Yep
Damn that playoff game!KSU-Chief - February 6, 2012
Right up until Weis went to Scott & said "I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!"
jmcgoblue - February 6, 2012
You expect a contender
that is being led by a failed HC, a failed OC and a questionable GM given recent developements? Good luck with that.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
I thought you were a positive person!
Tyran - February 6, 2012
That was before his boy got fired.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Was wondering what happened to his postS
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
You never read
any of my posts. Don’t try to fool anyone here.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Aiken man
snap out of it. Don’t jump.
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
Too late
don’t worry though…I attached the bungee to Ups butt. I ain’t going anywhere unless he comes too.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
you listen to Buck!
upamtn - February 6, 2012
I felt a trembling
in the force and I KNEW you were lurking!!!!
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
nope
Buck begged me to stop in and make sure you weren’t gonna do some Hari Kiri thing …
… and that ain’t no sword, it ain’t even a pocket knife, stop scaring the kids and come to bed, honey!
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Ewwwwwww.
I am truly unsure of what to say now…:)
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
good, you're smiling!
my work here is done …
Hi Yo Silver … awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Thanks Keymosabe
From Jay Silverheels to you!!
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
and I ain't jumpin' NOPLACE, buddy ... you got that?
way too much livin’ and bloggin’ and opinionatin’ to do ‘fore I die … why hell, Son, just gettin’ started
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Aiken
was seduced by the dark side of the force. He ceased to Aiken and became Darth_Drum, when that happened the positive person that was Aiken was destroyed
badassz1987 - February 6, 2012
This is the truth
When Pioli began treading the dark path and sent Haley into exile on Hoth, I began to look to the dark side for strength. Now, I have been overcome by it’s power and only the greatest of successes can pull me back into the light.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
The "true fan" motto
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
Romeo is a failed HC?
He’s 2-1 in KC. What was Haley?
Daboll a failed OC? He’s yet to settle into his desk, and put more points on the board in KC as an opponent than KC did in their first three of the season PLUS that game, combined.
A questionable GM. This is what it always comes down to. Pioli has more rings than any other KC GM, owner, President, secretary and fucking ball boy combined. Get over it.
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
Five years?
KC is gonna win the West next year.
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
It looked like a terrible move the minute it was made
And will continue to be
dablueguy - February 6, 2012
This sounds a lot like
people hiring from coaching “trees,” family, and past associations, something that would never be looked upon favorably at Arrowhead by AP’ers.
Quite frankly, the Steelers may be going about this all wrong. KC held Denver to an average of ten points per game while scoring only 6.5 points a game against them… and the Steelers gave up 29 to the greatness that is the Tebow.
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
It will be interesting to see how he will use Mike Wallace
KingChief - February 6, 2012
For 60 minutes?
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
saskwatch - February 6, 2012
Probably, yeah. But Haley's track record with receivers speaks for itself.
Pittsburgh fans should be salivating thinking about what he’ll be able to do with those 3 young receivers of theirs.
MtHammer - February 6, 2012
Really?
The Chiefs brought in about 100 WRs during the last three years, and the only one who really did anything was Bowe, who was already good.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Breaston was pretty good
But, again… he was already pretty good
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Steve Breaston played really well
does that not count?
Plus McCluster’s hands improved a lot this year
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Breaston was already good.
And he had a good year, but nothing special.
I’m not saying that he did nothing to help WRs, but this idea that he’s some type of a WR guru is way overblown.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
I disagree, the Chiefs wideouts were better with Haley
than with any other Coach I have seen in KC.
He earned his rep, he may be a little over rated, but not much.
Remember, receiving is more than just catching passes and our receivers did some good things blocking too.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
I'm with you on the blocking.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
night and day to Herm's offense
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Yupp
It might not have shown, but we seriously lacked talent there and thats not going to be an issue in Pittsburgh.
He did coach up Breaston before he was Breaston
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
First of all,
I’d like to thank my hands…
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
Haley isn't Peyton Manning. He can't turn terrible receivers into good ones overnight.
But let’s not pretend that the Dwayne Bowe that’s in KC now is the same Dwyane Bowe that was in KC when Haley got here. Regardless of how their relationship ended, Haley took Bowe’s raw talent and helped him channel it into becoming an even more dominant (and more importantly consistent) receiver than he was.
Let’s also not pretend that Haley had as much to work with in Lance Long and Verran Tucker as he will in Wallace, Brown, and Sanders.
Guys like Bowe, Boldin, T.O., Fitzgerald, and Keyshawn Johnson all had career years under Haley. And the latter two would, to this day, take a bullet for the man. So did Steve Breaston, for that matter, who admitted that he came to KC because of Haley.
So you’ll excuse me if I think Haley is in a position to really do some damage with Pittsburgh’s uber-talanted receiving corps even though he never turned Jeremy Horne into Jerry Rice.
MtHammer - February 6, 2012
No to mention that now he'll have more time to dedicate to it.
GenericBrand - February 6, 2012
Didn't Bowe have 1,000 yards rec his rookie year?
ExRoyalsFan - February 6, 2012
almost
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
missed it by five yards
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Exactly. I don’t know if I’d describe Bowe as “raw talent”.
ExRoyalsFan - February 6, 2012
That's EXACTY how I would describe what Bowe was before he got here.
Talented, no doubt. But he was also a slow fatass who dropped more balls than anybody.
bamachief5558 - February 6, 2012
Didn't he drop plenty this last year as well?
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
I'm pretty sure he didn't lead the league.
If you want to sit there and pretend Bowe didn’t improve under Haley then that’s fine, but everyone noticed at the time and I’m sure you did too.
Bowe has always been talented. He didn’t become a beast until Haley was here. I don’t even like Haley’s creepy ass, and I’m glad he’s gone, but I’m just sayin.
bamachief5558 - February 6, 2012
Bowe was tied for #2 with 12 behind Roddy White w/ 15
KCMikeG - February 7, 2012
Bowe needed to learn how to be a more complete receiver
and Haley helped with that tremendously. but all of the original talent was Bowe’s yes.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
amazing that if Belichick uses intimidation, fear and humilation tactics to "make his team beam better" he's called a genius
if another guy does any of that he’s labeled (by some, at least) as a nutcase and fired …
perception is everything
upamtn - February 6, 2012
But Bellichick has the gameplan and schemes to back up those tactics
Without in-game implementation…it’s just bullying.
Success is everything.
cheapham - February 6, 2012
The idea that Todd Haley didn't implement his coaching practices in game
is silly. He wasn’t good at adjusting in game and his plans weren’t the best, but they were there.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
I'm saying just that though
Sure, he was a great “motivator” and got his team into incredible shape. But his gameplans were terrible, and he rarely seemed to adjust playcalls or preparation based on opponents. Being a dick is excusable if you can implement a good gameplan to complement it…Haley wasn’t able to do that here. Maybe he’ll get that figured out, but it didn’t show in his time with the Chiefs.
cheapham - February 6, 2012
The OC position was Haley's worst mistake.
He should have let Gailey run the offense from day one IMO.
This would be a different team today.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Agreed
Daboll’s similarities to Gailey are the reason I have some optimism for the hire. “Adaptability” is an invaluable skill.
cheapham - February 6, 2012
I hope you're right
but I have to see it to believe it
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
Keep the faith Buck
Missouri isn’t called the Show Me state because it has so many automobile showrooms. We have taken the opportunity to return to mediocrity with this hire. History shows nothing different.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
My outlook has admittedly taken a serious turn south with this hire
I can’t lie about it
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
Sorry my friend
This is only the beginning. I fear that we will find ourselves three years hence wishing that PIoli had been exorcised rather than Haley.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
You are high, my friend.
Very very high.
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
History shows nothing different?
Haley fires Gailey. Runs the offense himself, gets about four wins, I can’t remember, it was pathetic. Weis comes in, playoffs, Weis GTFO because he can’t handle Haley, lockout, Haley tanks the season with Palko and spouts some “Mission: Impossible” bullshit and gets fired.
RAC. New OC. And you’re crying.
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
I agree
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
you got that right.
Gailey would have put the right people in the right place and KC would not have had 67 million three and outs since Haley fired him.
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
there ya go, fixed for ya
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Except for 2008, when he went 11-5 with Cassel.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
Lol yeah it's all Brady.
Ridiculous argument.
Do you realize Belichick’s Super Bowl squad this season had 18 undrafted players, including both starting running backs?
I just don’t get it when people act like all of Belichick’s success is due to Tom Brady. Brady is great, yes. But players and coaches work together. Belichick is an extraordinary coach.
bamachief5558 - February 6, 2012
Yeah
losing super bowls is no success.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
I perceive Hoodie participating in five of the last eleven Superbowls.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
Right, if Pioli does it, he's a maniac
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
Well I'll be damned!
I have no idea how or why this happened, but good for Todd Haley and I hope he makes the absolute best of it.
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
Yep................
He has a QB to work with……………..
LadyChief - February 6, 2012
I'll say he does
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
Palko isn't available until next month.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
niiiiiiiiiice!
LadyChief - February 6, 2012
Yep, me too. Good luck Todd.
jcox31mc - February 6, 2012
Great.
Another ex-Chiefs staff member to get their revenge on us.
Soccer Over Football - February 6, 2012
Good for Haley
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
False praise?
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Not at all
Again, read my comments before thinking you know what I believe.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
I have read your comments
that is how I know what you believe.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Then I suggest you read again
You know, where I say I like haley and wish things had gone differently.
Or other places where I’ve said not everything that went down was his fault.
Perhaps you missed those. Otherwise I’m quite certain you wouldn’t be so rude as to assume I’m being false with my congrats for Haley. I mean, you’d never intentionally ignore the things someone said that don’t support your twist on their opinion… right?
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
If you were a true fan, he wouldn't have to read your comments again.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
I'm clearly at fault here
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
You and Pioli.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Couldn't have done it without him
Or the wiretaps we installed
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Happy :)
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Of course not
because you never take me seriously…right?
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
I never know whether I should or not
Just when I think you’re serious, you act like you’re kidding. Just when I think you’re kidding around, you act very serious.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
I told you once before
never take me serious. There is absolutely nothing here that makes any difference…except you getting a law degree. THAT is important. Don’t make me come all the way to MN and hunt you down.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Haha fair enough
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Although
I would like to go to far northern MN and stick a bear with my Mathews Bow. THAT would be real!!
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
congrats
sodablaster - February 6, 2012
In for Haley throwing egg on Pioli's face
Fall 2012
Clay Wendler - February 6, 2012
WTF?
Why would you wish that? Are you seriously hoping for the Steelers to beat the Chiefs in the fall?
If so…screw you.
cheapham - February 6, 2012
He's turned into a anti-Chief...
Might respect the players but he hates the admin and what the point in liking a team you hate?
kc_okerix - February 6, 2012
So following your logic...
I’m anti-American because I love this country… but every politician in DC could drop dead and I would dance.
Falcon58 - February 6, 2012
Hahaha
Three cheers for Falcon58!
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
Not the best correlation
and it sort of makes you a pretty sadistic dude….
cheapham - February 6, 2012
Not really. I'm just a sarcastic dick. But I seriously hate all politicians... i.e. "the admin" for the US of A.
Falcon58 - February 6, 2012
Heh
I get it…but I don’t “root” for the Chiefs in the same way that I “root” for the USA…you know?
cheapham - February 6, 2012
Seriously hoping for it? No. Secretly expecting it? YES.
Falcon58 - February 6, 2012
After their game against us this year
I expect us to kill them, even in Pittsburgh.
cheapham - February 6, 2012
With Cassel at QB? Not bloodly likely.
I expect it to be a very close game.
Falcon58 - February 6, 2012
It was a close game with PALKO as QB this year
Like the dude or not, Cassel is a thousand times better of a QB.
cheapham - February 6, 2012
I just snorted... I wouldn't say a THOUSAND TIMES... maybe TEN TIMES.
Maybe.
Falcon58 - February 6, 2012
I suppose that depends on how one does the multiplication
Even so…my point stands. :)
cheapham - February 6, 2012
0 X 1000 is still 0...
Tomahawk29 - February 6, 2012
Palko technically shouldn't be a zero
He does have a win as an NFL QB. That’s more than one could say for Brodie Croyle…
cheapham - February 6, 2012
I will never credit that win to Palko.
The Chiefs defense won that game. Period. ’Nuff said. The end. Fin.
Tomahawk29 - February 6, 2012
If Todd keeps his same playbook
I’d say our chances are good
KingChief - February 6, 2012
R2P2?
And the Steelers don’t R very well.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Didn't Cassel beat them once before?
Tomahawk29 - February 6, 2012
2009.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
And that was a better Steelers team
and a worse Chiefs team than will be on the field this fall. IMO at least.
cheapham - February 6, 2012
Why stop there?
Why not cheer for every other team to beat the Chiefs?
You were hating Haley as hard as anyone when he got fired.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Nice
I think you could give Romney some lessons on flip flopping.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Is Mark Carman still employed with 610?
Sounded like there he might have been fired last Friday.
Tomahawk29 - February 6, 2012
Well he won't be after this story
That was a good break for Mark Carman today.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
He needed it after that Jeff Withey song.
My ears are still bleeding.
MtHammer - February 6, 2012
Wow, didn't see this one coming.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
Perfect fit for Pittsburgh.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
You mean you didn't see all the reports earlier?
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
the "reports" were all that it was a "favor" just getting the interview
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Still.
It’s not like this should shock anyone. Reports are often conflicting, as you know from following the Manning situation.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
you take that back!
everything ever posted on the intrawebz is always 1000% true
upamtn - February 6, 2012
exactly!
LadyChief - February 6, 2012
Like, two hours ago?
I guess my window for surprise is bigger than yours.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
Like last week, when it was reported that he interviewed.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
A couple different signs pointed pretty definitvely to him being a long shot.
Rumors that it was a courtesy interview, and the fact that his was the only interview the Steelers publicized.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
Yeah, it looked like he probably wasn't going to get it.
But as long as the job stayed open, I still considered him a candidate.
No biggy, I’m just surprised at your surprise.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
I guess it's because I actually expected him to get a job pretty quickly after he got fired,
than when things dragged a little, I just assumed he’d sit the year out or maybe take a receivers coaching job somewhere.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
I thought he'd have to be a position coach again first.
I didn’t know if it would be this year or next, though.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
I said it earlier in the fanshot
But congrats to Haley, it’s a huge hire. I hope, for his sake, that he does a much better job of gameplanning and scheming for individual opponents. Otherwise, this job won’t last very long.
That said, I can’t wait for Crennel’s Defense to destroy Pittsburgh’s offense this fall. :)
cheapham - February 6, 2012
agreed
kc_okerix - February 6, 2012
And to think!!!!
They could have had Brian Daboll!
SUCKERS!!!
Tomahawk29 - February 6, 2012
Agreed.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
lol
Matt in KC - February 6, 2012
Good for him. The Steelers are getting a hell of a coach who got a raw deal in KC. I mean, who decides they have to shit-can a coach after he guides the team to the greatest turnaround in team history. Oh yeah, a little man with a massive ego who cannot stand to be challenged. i wish Haley the best of luck in Pittsburgh.
Topchief1 - February 6, 2012
+1
jcox31mc - February 6, 2012
All Haley did was coach a team during more blowouts than any other coach in our history
Refuse to adjust game plans after halftime, stick with favorites over his best players…
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
+1
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
-27
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
$10
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
$10,000 bet?
cheapham - February 6, 2012
The thing is
I like Haley, and wish things had gone differently.
But when people act like there was NO reason to fire him, it bugs me. There were reasons.
Our criminal lack of preparedness for the first few games of the season could go on there too.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
yeah, like the Jets game
a game KC pretty much HAD TO HAVE to have a decent shot at the AFC West title at that point… and you give up a drive with 80+ yards of penalties with a 15 yarder unsportsmanlike squarely on the HC…
but Haley got a bum deal getting fired in KC. Whatever.
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
Although RAC has to share some of the blame for the defense having a meltdown...
MNchiefsfan - February 7, 2012
Why does everyone always attribute this fact to Haley?
Truth be told, Belichick lost by 20 or more points 3 times in the 15 games Cassel started for NE or 20% of the games. If KC couldn’t run the ball or got behind, they had no chance. Cassel can’t carry a team on his shoulders. I think that stat is more indicative of Cassel’s QB play then Todd Haley as a head coach.
Chiefs_KC - February 6, 2012
Very well could be
But one still has to take into account how ill-prepared we were to start the season, as well as the seeming failure of Haley to play his best players.
Having Urban and Copper in on third downs instead of Breaston/Bowe… stuff like that.
Again, I like Haley, and this year was certainly not all his fault. But there was blame to be had.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
I couldnt possibly agree more
He was an arrogant punk who made “gutsy” moves because he had talent to hide behind if they failed, and when that talent got injured he coached his dumbass out of a job. You look like a genius yelling at star players, benching starters until the 4th preseason game, throwing 1st round rookies under the bus for inept veterans, and disguising indecisiveness as “mind games” until Jamaal Charles and EB go down and you face a 1st place schedule.
JC25FoMVP - February 6, 2012
and win the AFC west
preside over the biggest turnaround in team history and watch several Chiefs records be set during his tenure. There is just as much good as bad here fence sitter.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
I agree
I was only arguing against the extreme view that apparently Haley did nothing wrong.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
EVERY coach
does things their own way. To say that he did something WRONG is better left to his boss to discuss…and I think that when they fired Todd, they said that he was a very good football coach.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
So since I'm not his boss...
I shouldn’t give an opinion as to whether or not I thought he did some things wrong?
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Didn't say that at all
one thing is for certain…you are going to give your opinion whether we have a tsumani or not. You can give your opinion on anything you like, including the big bang theory, rocket science and Gestalt psychotherapy. My guess is that you know as much if not more, about those topics than you do about what Todd Haley did wrong. Just trying to establish that what we have here on this blog is uninformed, non inside information, spurious (there’s a lawyer word for ya :), and most likely ill formed opinions that may or may not be in the same ball park as the truth. And before you go down that road, YES that includes my opinions as well. In your judgement, Todd Haley did a lot of things wrong. There are just as many others (apparently now including whoever the Steelers have in charge of hiring an OC) that don’t necessarily share that view. Time MAY solve this riddle, and then again, we will probably never know the full extent of WHY we are today looking at a Chiefs team that is being led by a failed and fired HC, a failed and fired OC and a GM whose antics are becoming more questionable with each passing day. These are the facts of the case, and they are not in dispute.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
He might be a very good football coach
but he might not be a very good head coach
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
Blowouts are the result of defense
The worst offense can still lose game 0-3. We promoted our DC.
electriclight - February 6, 2012
Yes, if you completely discount field position, momentum, and fatigue. Which, from what I’ve heard, are pretty important.
The D is hardly immune. But notice that in many of our games (the Pats, for example), our defense hung in there for a time, only to eventually fold after being asked to “make a stand” in the face of adverse circumstances time and time again?
The D CERTAINLY needs improvement, though. On that we agree.
MNchiefsfan - February 7, 2012
greened
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
+1 Division title
dablueguy - February 6, 2012
Haley laughs last while Pioli will be going down with the Casshole ship
HIV 2 Elway - February 6, 2012
Agreed. Saying that you learned your lesson, and actually following through on it are two different things. We will see how Pioli plans his QB competition. If he brings in Matt Moore to “compete” with Cassel, we will see that he’s only learned how to be a smooth talker who is incapable of running this team.
Topchief1 - February 6, 2012
Indeed. Green'd. And I'd love to get the real story from Haley.
Falcon58 - February 6, 2012
Indeed
I’d love for him to explain precisely how he was able to field a team so dramatically unprepared for their opponent as often as he did. It was astounding, really.
cheapham - February 6, 2012
Heh.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Funny... I don't recall the opposing team blocking two FG attempts in the same game under Haley
Haley’s QB options as HC of Cassel, Croyle, Palko, and Stanzi should go down as the worst QBs available to a head coach in NFL history
Chiefs_KC - February 6, 2012
Well he had Orton as an option
and he refused to play him
badassz1987 - February 6, 2012
he played him in the only game he could but he got hurt on first play. Orton didn't even make it to practice the previous week
Orton never would have been picked up off waivers if Cassel didn’t get hurt anyone so that’s not a valid argument
Chiefs_KC - February 6, 2012
Really, you know this for a fact?
Also Orton with no practice>>>>>Palko
badassz1987 - February 6, 2012
yes, you don't pick up a 3 million dollar soon to be free agent QB to sit on the bench
Chiefs_KC - February 6, 2012
Every coach in the league would have made that call.
electriclight - February 6, 2012
He should've played him to start that game
And not tossed him in there on a ridiculous play call (a flea flicker when your RT is a sieve? Really).
Maybe then we’d be having a different conversation.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
What reality are you living in? He put Orton in after his 2nd week here, and the guy hurt his thumb on his first play.
Topchief1 - February 6, 2012
He put Orton in on a 2nd down. I don’t think Orton was going to stay in for the remainder of the game if he hadn’t got hurt.
ExRoyalsFan - February 6, 2012
Haley said as much.
Said they had a couple packages for Orton, but he wasn’t replacing Palko.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
This
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
I really hope others see that and rec it...
Too many here still act as though Orton started that game
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
I don't recall that happening under Edwards, Vermeil, Cunningham, or Schottenheimer either.
HMMMM.
bamachief5558 - February 6, 2012
As often?????
He’d just tell you to explain how his team beat 10 opponents while ‘HE’ fielded dramatically unprepared teams. Jeez, what a statement.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Yeah, we sure did whoop on teams with less talent than we had in '10
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
By whose yardstick?
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Only Pioli gets a pass on our injuries this year
Everything else was Haley’s fault. I thought you understood that.
electriclight - February 6, 2012
Sorry
My bad.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Except I've already said there's plenty of blame to go around
and not all of it is on Haley.
MIDDLE GROUND people :)
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Pioli gets no pass on injuries...
at all. It’s his job to have depth on the roster in those instances.
He has work to do.
So does Haley. In Pittsburgh.
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
Haley's got no reason to laugh about anything
KCinIL - February 6, 2012
No?
Give it a bit more time.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Haley likely isn't laughing.
He’s likely happy to have a pretty damn good job.
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
I would have rec'd this if you hadn't said casshole.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Why does everyone think there are problems with Arrowhead because of this?
We fired our Head Coach.
He was hired as an Offensive Coordinator.
It’s not like we fired our Head Coach…and the mighty Steelers were like, “HA, WHAT IDIOTS” and hired him for the same position….
He took a step back in his coaching career. Great for him… I think he’s a much better OC than HC/OC/Everything else. But it’s not like the Steelers took advantage of us or anything.
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
Agreed
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
There were problems at Arrowhead period.
This hire has nothing to do with that.
Falcon58 - February 6, 2012
Says the media?
And supposed phone taps?
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
Yes according to ALL of the reports that have come out in the media over the last several YEARS.
Not just the Haley firing. Or the post-Haley firing allegations. EVERYTHING.
Too much smoke, not to be some fire somewhere.
Falcon58 - February 6, 2012
All that smoke is mostly repetition
Not saying there’s nothing there. But when report A says something, then reports B, C, D, and E cite report A, that doesn’t make 5 reports. It makes one
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Says employees that are used to the same way of life for 20 years and have to actually work now?
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
and you have inside information on that ... how?
upamtn - February 6, 2012
I thought it was pretty well known that Carl Peterso was the GM here for 20 years
and that Pioli is that man now and runs a tighter ship?
Explain why there are plenty of folks who have no problem with the conditions they work in.
It seems pretty obvious. No “inside information” needed.
bamachief5558 - February 6, 2012
There is a PR representative sitting 5 feet away during their interviews???
electriclight - February 6, 2012
lol
if it was like some people here make it out to be, no one would work there.
You make it sound like these people are being forced to work there at gunpoint or something. Maybe some people are go getters and some people are slackers and don’t feel like they should have to work hard.
In fact, I know for certain that some people don’t feel that they should have to work hard. So why is it so hard to believe that people who got used to being lazy for years got upset when things tightened up and they were shown the door because they refused to adapt?
bamachief5558 - February 6, 2012
maybe there's actually TRUTH behind the Babb article but you choose to disbelieve it because it doesn't fit in with your preconceived ideas
I know for a fact that SOME people WANT to work hard but are denied the chance to do so …
stop making wild generalizations and open your eyes to the real world
upamtn - February 6, 2012
In fact, I know for certain that some people will put up with all kinds of crap
to feed their families in these times.
electriclight - February 6, 2012
and I know for a fact that Romney's so-called "safety net" has more holes than Swiss cheese
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Safety nets created the depression-recession were in right now...
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
Safety nets for Wall Street
electriclight - February 6, 2012
The housing bubble loans were given to those on wall street?
Note to everyone: don’t be stupid and buy houses you can’t afford.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Note to everyone. Be stupid and bundle bad derivitives
that you know aren’t worth anything because you’ll get bailed out.
electriclight - February 6, 2012
Note to everyone: you deserve more than minimum wage
So sit on your tail and collect unemployment until that job that’s the “right fit” comes along!
(truce? or do you want to finish out? Because you and I both know we could do this allllll day and never run out of rebuttals :) )
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Total up corporate welfare versus your mythical
“welfare mom” scarecrow and tell me how it comes out. To put the blame of any of the recession on poor people is ludicrous. Those weren’t $50,000 homes for poor people that are underwater. Those homes were all $250,000 and up, up, up.
electriclight - February 6, 2012
Hey, I'm gonna go ahead and keep up with the truce
I spend all day going back and forth on these points.
But let me tell you, you’re kidding yourself if you think either the right or the left has the ONLY persuasive arguments.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
This may be true
but only the right has the ‘right’ argument. Now try and make that wrong!!
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Don't put words or ideas in my mouth
just because you can’t defend your own.
electriclight - February 6, 2012
Fascinating how you don't want words put in your mouth
Yet you’re putting motives in my mind :)
Seriously, how about we just call it a day with political stuff? How’s this…
If only we taxed the wealthy a fair amount and gave it all to all those poor people with no options (who are everywhere here, because there’s definitely no opportunity if you’re born poor), this country would be way better off!!!!
Satisfied?
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
You're still doing it.
If you want to know, I was raised ina house with no indoor plumbing. I have 223 college credits, each one earned while working hard, full time, playing by the rules. And it so happens that the rules are made by the people with money and power. If you hope to be like them one day, go for it.
electriclight - February 6, 2012
123 sorry
electriclight - February 6, 2012
crap right the first time 213
electriclight - February 6, 2012
Nice!
What’d you major in that took so many credits? I escaped with barely 120…
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
AS Electronics 85 credits
B.B.A. 40
M.Ed.44
Ph.D. Adult and Higher Ed. 44
electriclight - February 7, 2012
You're a regular glutten for punishment, my friend
MNchiefsfan - February 7, 2012
Hey man
I totally respect where you are coming from but fence sitters will always believe that the true answers lie in the middle of the road. The truth is that one side of the road is right and the other wrong and compromising will only get you to the middle. You have an outstanding ethic el and I’m glad to have associated with ya even if it’s on a sports blog.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Yep, because I didn't post any definitive thoughts below
Whoops… I did.
But… but… I thought I could only sit on the fence?
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
And again, you're doing the exact thing you're mad at me for
(notice the putting of words into my mouth?)
The rules aren’t all made by those with money and power. Here’s a few
1) Work harder than anyone else and, 99 times out of 100, you will succeed eventually
2) Some people are more talented than others. Find what you’re talented at and use it
3) Sometimes, life sucks. Get a helmet, suck it up, and move on. Feeling sorry for yourself gets you nothing.
4) Life isn’t fair. Take a moment, deal with it, then move on.
The rich and powerful don’t make those rules
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
3 and 4
are especially important for Chiefs fans.
Shanghai_Chiefs - February 6, 2012
Ha! Rec'd
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Sorry, anyone approving this comment will raise my hackles.
And the “moving on” sounds so easy…
electriclight - February 6, 2012
They did though, if the banks didnt have a safety net they wouldnt have gambled so ridiculously
Sorry if its true.
There were a series of other reasons as well, but none are greater then Our central bank
ChiefWarPaint - February 7, 2012
That's what I said.
electriclight - February 7, 2012
Why was there a housing bubble?
See: Federal Reserve
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
No
See Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
But they had the best historian money could buy.
electriclight - February 6, 2012
Hey!!
I’m gonna vote for that guy!!
Aiken_Drum - February 7, 2012
Ha! Nice...
MNchiefsfan - February 7, 2012
They were apart of it, but they werent the engineers
The fed put in place the low interest rates and created the moral hazard.
ChiefWarPaint - February 7, 2012
Yepp
if i could go to vegas and get my money back Id gamble it all.
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
Yeah but that's ok
he doesn’t care about the poor. Didn’t you hear?
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
oh, I heard ... loud and clear
being one of them he could care less about
upamtn - February 6, 2012
You got a net. What more do you want?
Go catch some eels or something.
electriclight - February 6, 2012
a job would be nice
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Yes it would
LadyChief - February 6, 2012
Speak it loud brothers and sisters.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
They're hiring at the steel stamping plant I used to work at
I know this for a fact. Clow Stamping. Merrifield, MN.
Look it up and go get yourself a job…
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
ummmmmmmm ... bit of a commute, doncha think?
upamtn - February 6, 2012
So move brother
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Would you still say the same thing if Haley
had not been hired?
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Time will tell.
Hoochdawg - February 6, 2012
OC for Pittsburgh is likely an upgrade in the mind of a lot of people from HC of KC
independent739 - February 6, 2012
And that lot of people probably do share one single mind.
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
Ouch
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Congratulations Todd
Other than starting Palko as long as he did, I liked the guy. Short of being head coach, this is probably his dream job.
CapsLockKey - February 6, 2012
..on a related note
I look forward to the confrontations between him and Rapistburger that are inevitable.
CapsLockKey - February 6, 2012
Haley better take a page from Pioli's book...
And bug nightclub restrooms in a 100 mile radius of Heinz Field. Gotta keep his QB in check…
Tomahawk29 - February 6, 2012
haha
I get tired of all the Ben jokes but this one was great. Because it was original and funny. Thanks for the laugh.
Jux - February 6, 2012
Wow, the overreactions already started.
Well I’m happy Haley landed on his feet. I didn’t think he would. But I think this is more a favor for Dick Haley than anything. Maybe he does very well. Who knows? He does have Big Ben.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
Although running our team into the ground
that still makes me mad.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
Really? You believe that's how Pittsburg makes their choices for OC?
electriclight - February 6, 2012
This is a truly ignorant statement.
Get ready because they have only just begun.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Yes
yes they have. Here’s looking at you.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
I think it's a part of it.
Haley was a successful OC in AZ. Maybe the change of pace will help him succeed. But the guy was nutty at the end here. We saw it on the field. You can choose to forget it, but all I can remember is the playoff berth we lost out on because he played Tyler Palko incessantly.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
You talk about choosing to forget things
I submit that you want to believe lies that have been spoonfed to you and that is the substance of the disagreement. Todd Haley played Tyler Palko because he truly believed it gave him the best chance to win. If that is not the truth, we will never know it for certain. All else is conjecture. If you wish to believe the lies that others have put forth about this, there is little that can be done to change your mind.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
If he believed Palko was our best chance,
then how are you not glad he’s gone and no longer able to make decisions for the team? Any coach that thought that should have been canned 8 times.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
It's like you have seen Stanzi play in the NFL? Or you wanted Orton to throw left handed?
electriclight - February 6, 2012
It's like there was no reason to NOT play Stanzi. There's no way he could have been worse than Palko was.
And Orton wasn’t hurt in Chicago until the stupid second quarter switch for no damn reason.
BTW, Orton wanted to go back in IIRC.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
Now to be fair, many of us thought nothing could be worse than Cassel
Until Palko. It COULD be we had the worst two NFL QB’s on our roster.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
O M G
Cassel is the savior of this team. Will you please get off his back?
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
haha...
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
I meant Stanzi and Palko
Yanno, if Haley was in fact right to sit Stanzi, that would mean he’s worse than Palko. Which would mean we have the two worst QB’s in the NFL.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
needs a capital and bolded
STILL
MN, who you thinking gets brought in for competition?
Shanghai_Chiefs - February 6, 2012
I have no idea
I’m hoping Peyton manning or RG3, myself :).
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
I thought there were rumours that Stanzi had an ankle issue
Chiefs_KC - February 7, 2012
JUst totally disagree with this
Palko was the best choice.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Yeah........
Well I don’t think this really needs a response.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
No, the only favor is the one Pioli did
in drafting The One.
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
Kind of ironic though
that he’s now coaching for the team that kept him from a ring while simultaneously getting him the HC gig in KC.
CapsLockKey - February 6, 2012
Yep
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
and the Steeler organization just got worse
Who knows though, this is the situation he walked into in Arizona, a good quarterback with an already established offense. I don’t think Rapelisberger is Warner but I think the organization is a whole lot better than AZ. I still think he is overrated as an OC but now he’s got a chance to see what he can do.
I already disliked the Steelers, this just gives me one more reason.
Fozzyboyd - February 6, 2012
Heh.
Haley: “Snap the fucking ball!”
Ben R.: “Shut the fuck up before I rip you a new asshole, you little golf bitch!”
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
Haley wasn't blameless in the breakup with the Chiefs, but neither was Pioli.
It was a toxic situation that had to end. But I’m glad Haley landed on his feet.
In a few years he’ll get a second chance and end up being a great hire for some team.
MtHammer - February 6, 2012
this ^^^
upamtn - February 6, 2012
and if the Chiefs are in rebuild mode
that will be painful to watch.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Well said
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
Awesome, good for him!
TheScootness - February 6, 2012
Haley is currently talking to Big Ben on how they can complicate the system in which plays are called into the QB.
ExRoyalsFan - February 6, 2012
Not trying to be a Steelers homer, but...
…sometimes guys are better off being coordinators than head coaches. Take a look at Dick LeBeau, Dom Capers, Norv Turner and Wade Phillips. They’re all excellent coordinators, but they all failed as head coaches. (Norv Turner still is.) Likewise, Todd Haley failing as a head coach with the Chiefs doesn’t change the fact that he was hired for the job becuase they were impressed with the job he did as the offensive coordinator for the Cardinals, and as far as I’m concerned, this already gives him more credentials than Bruce Arians ever had. Arians has never been considered for a head coaching job, and after five years of him in Pittsburgh, I can tell you the reasons why: his offense has design flaws that he refuses to correct; his play-calling sucks out loud, and he’s too much of a “player’s coach” to be a real coach, let alone an adequate disciplinarian. Quite frankly, after five years of Bruce Arians, the Steelers need an a__hole like Todd Haley to shape the offense up and coach the bad habits out of them. I have faith that he can do the job if his tenure with the Cardinals is indicative of anything.
DBR96A - February 6, 2012
"Not trying to be a Steelers homer"
don’t hurt yourself
Brad-KC - February 6, 2012
Trying to be objective has never hurt me
DBR96A - February 6, 2012
Todd Haley will do just that out there.
Great hire for the Steelers.
Your team just improved IMO.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
Agree
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
todd haley is an awesome offensive mind, he may not be a head coach, some guys just arent
but its a great hire
SDChief - February 6, 2012
"awesome offensive mind"
based on what, exactly?
cheapham - February 6, 2012
The ability to score a td with Tyler Palko at qb
TEXAN_CHIEF - February 6, 2012
LOL
perhaps. Though, his intransigence in the choice between Palko and Stanzi could indicate the opposite.
cheapham - February 6, 2012
Haley:
“Ok Palko. Throw the ball up and hope that Brian Urlacher bats it into Dexter’s waiting arms. You can do it. I believe in your awesome ability to trow a hail mary.”
Tomahawk29 - February 6, 2012
Congrats - Careful what you wish for
Cuz you just might get it! One AHole coming up!
KCMikeG - February 7, 2012
Does This Mean
The Steelers actually believe it’s possible Haley’s phone was tapped. Otherwise, this hire makes no sense. You don’t hire a guy you think is paranoid to run your offense.
kclove - February 6, 2012
considering it has been said that people around the league werent remotely shocked at said allegations, id say we sort of can figure out who is lying in this scenario
SDChief - February 6, 2012
What a lucid comment
Thanks SDChief.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Yes. Pittsburg is the last team to pick up a space cadet. Great Point.
electriclight - February 6, 2012
Honestly...
…I believe the Steelers hired him for his disposition. Bruce Arians never got the most out of the talent he had to work with in Pittsburgh, so if the “best friends forever” approach didn’t work, then maybe the “do as I say, you stupid motherf___er” approach will.
DBR96A - February 6, 2012
lol.
Tomahawk29 - February 6, 2012
Then they better hope they get the 2009 version of Haley.
Because the 2011 version was the “best friends forever” type.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
that may have been the rift between Pioli and Haley
Scott was telling him to calm down and Haley didn’t want to be calm?
So much speculation to be had by all.
Chief-blinders-on - February 6, 2012
good for todd haley. and for those who reamed us for saying he wont be jobless. eat some crow
steelers offense just got that much better. todd can focus on the offense around big ben, already having a proven qb…sounds like a winning situation for antonio brown and emanuel sanders, mike wallace probably goes to the next level now…etc
SDChief - February 6, 2012
Eating Crow
Turns out Steelers didnt hire him after all, it wa s reported in error by Peter King
TEXAN_CHIEF - February 6, 2012
King didn't report earlier that he was hired anyway ...
upamtn - February 6, 2012
You misread... try again.
Tomahawk29 - February 6, 2012
He reported that Haley was hired
by the Steelers to fill their putt putt golf coach opening
TEXAN_CHIEF - February 6, 2012
Ha!
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
seen that on twitter elsewhere
so many blasted conspiracies with haley. what a drama queen.
cheapham - February 6, 2012 via Android app
couldn't be happier for us!
KCinIL - February 6, 2012
LaCanfora at nfl.com now reporting the Steelers have offered the job to Haley
(link in fanshots)
upamtn - February 6, 2012
You don't say.
I didn’t see that one coming.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
I know, huh
not yet hired, though … just offered position
also that they’ve been looking at Hue Jackson (go figure)
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Whoah!
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
Embarrassing
Wish Haley all the best, I think it’s embarrassing the way he was treated. And given the amount of decimating injuries, and a very short preseason, I’d say he did as well as he could have with the resources available to him.
He deserved another season at full strength with this core group…
OhioChiefsFan - February 6, 2012
I think it's emarrassing the way this team was so unprepared
But to take double digit ass whoopins.
KCinIL - February 6, 2012
amen!
cheapham - February 6, 2012 via Android app
Sweet sweet irony
Karma’s a bitch, huh Clark?
LHO - February 6, 2012
Huh?
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Clark said he wanted to model the Chiefs after the Steelers
upamtn - February 6, 2012
And vice versa, apparently.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
OC =/= HC
Brsrkr - February 6, 2012
It's an imperfect model.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Cant wait to smack this arrogant fool
For his years of ineptitude and selfishness. Believe Tamba and Justin will be gunning extra heavy for Big Ben, knowing that the man calling the plays is the reason why they spent almost entire games on the field.
JC25FoMVP - February 6, 2012
Jets took the opening drive downfield like a hot knife through butter.
That was Haley’s last game. Funny how our defense gets a pass on all the blowouts.
electriclight - February 6, 2012
Not FUNNY
understandable. No way to indict Haley unless you ignore certain facts here and there.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Yeah but the penalty drive wasnt on the defense
And after that first drive they locked down as muh as they could being stuck on the field the whole game.
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
And we responded on offense with consecutive 3 and outs
Its a team game and for the 2nd half of the season, the defense was the only 3rd of the team to play ball. Special teams and the big O were our downfall.
JC25FoMVP - February 7, 2012
That's it!
Just dropped Big Ben from my fantasy team…
Beefcakess - February 6, 2012
Yeah, last time Haley was an OC his QB was Kurt Warner.
Talk about a fantasy disaster.
MtHammer - February 6, 2012
No, it was actually Matt Cassel.
And yes, it was a disaster.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
Chan Gailey would agree.
rec’d
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
Sorry, I should have clarified
I meant just an OC.
And does anybody want to take up the position that Ben Roethlisberger is closer to being Matt Cassel than he is Kurt Warner?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
MtHammer - February 7, 2012
That was before his head got big..
Beefcakess - February 6, 2012
congrats Todd!
urod69 - February 6, 2012
Prepare
For Issac Redman half back draws, Hines Ward bubble screens, and receivers running 70 yard routes during blitzes Steelers fans, enjoy :)
JC25FoMVP - February 6, 2012
wouldn't the 70 yd routes on blitzes be Cassel's fault of not recognizing the blitz and adjusting the play pre-snap?
See Manning, Eli in the Superbowl yesterday
Chiefs_KC - February 6, 2012
thats where daboll comes in
see chad Pennington’s comments about daboll teaching him about how to read defenses.
cheapham - February 6, 2012 via Android app
That's impossible that Pennington said that
It would mean that Daboll might not be the worst hire in the NFL’s history…
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
He did fine with it the year before with Charlie
I clearly remember in his first season here, any pre-snap change with Cassel resulted in net zero yards at best. Then with Weis he would audible out of runs for play action all day.
JC25FoMVP - February 7, 2012
There's no one happier for Todd Haley than I am right now
Sorry guys, but I’m becoming a Steelers fan. I hate the direction this Kansas City franchise is going in and I’ve had enough after 20 years of unwavering support. Living in Western Pennsylvania all my life, I loved the Chiefs. Today, they become my #2.
MattHoover - February 6, 2012
See ya.
bamachief5558 - February 6, 2012
Ha
Have fun with that
KCinIL - February 6, 2012
Im happy for him
Hope he does well
Supersexy - February 6, 2012 via mobile
The two teams are headed in opposite directions.
And not in the way you think. Good luck with your new team.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
seriously
the Steelers are in for a rough transitionary period.
cheapham - February 6, 2012 via Android app
They're getting old.
Their window may have already closed. They do still have Rapistberger, though, so they’ll probably stay competitive.
Tarkus - February 6, 2012
He'll keep them in the running
But they need to get some youth going pretty quick.
Harrison’s a freak, but he’s bound to start slipping soon…
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Adios
LadyChief - February 6, 2012
Good riddance!!
When the weather is better we’d appreciate it if you didn’t come back as a “fan”.
Shank Williams Jr - February 6, 2012 via mobile
Yep, because 20 years wasn't enough
I value character over football, and I will not support a franchise like the Chiefs and the continued decisions they make. They’ll be my #2, but until they regain my trust & respect, they’ll stay that way.
MattHoover - February 6, 2012
Have fun on the bandwagon
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
Later.
Funny though how you say this about Brian Waters:
I guess where you come from giving up on your “unwavering support” of your team is called……?
TheScootness - February 6, 2012
I really wish people would stop posting this kind of stuff
Memo to all Chiefs fans: If you decide to stop being a Chiefs fan, don’t bother to let us know. We’ll figure it out when we never see you again.
We’re not going to feel sorry for you, or beg you to stay. Just go. Don’t be that 5-year-old that says, “I’m going home!” and stomps away. Just stop being a fan. It’s a free country, and no one bregrudges you your right to switch teams.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
you should read the comments by a so-called "cheifsforlife" dude on the nfl,.com story about Haley's intervew
stunningly stupid
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Yeah!
One other thing. I am still a Chiefs fan and I am pissed about the way this team has decided to do things recently. I intend to remind you frequently that I am pissed and that I think mistakes have been made. I will not feel sorry for you if you decide to close your eyes to the truth, or beg you to change your mind. If you disagree with my points, please make a lucid argument as to why. Otherwise, just go. It is either ignorant or intentionally disingenuous to believe that there is not something ‘stinky’ going on at one arrowhead drive right now and I tire of the belligerence with which some fans cling to these positions.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Now this is more like it
That’s a lot better than “I’m LEAVING!!!”
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Irony
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Stop ironing your clothes
and get with the program.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
To put it lightly
I would call it “hilarious hypocrisy”
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
Okay, Aiken.
How’s this? I’m a Chiefs’ fan and look forward to next year. I believe the Chiefs can be really damn good even with Matt Cassel.
I like the fact that a HC that was taken way after anybody worth a shit is finally gone, a proven long-term guy is at the helm, and I trust his choice in an OC. I believe the roster is good and getting better, and the future is bright.
I haven’t seen any lucid argument from you on why Haley gone and RAC in place is a bad thing. I can’t see how an HC with belief in an OC and the willingness to move forward from stinky is bad.
You call me belligerent for believing the Chiefs are moving forward just because you say they are moving back?? Do tell.
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
Proven HC?
YOu need to go check that record before you say I have no lucid arguments.
Aiken_Drum - February 7, 2012
Ya if RAC can't get it done in Cleveland
how’s is he supposed to be successful elsewhere?
JayhawksNChiefs - February 7, 2012
What does that mean, exactly?
Now Crennel gets a pass for a four year, .333 win percentage because it was in Cleveland? I guess you could say the same for Haleys 2.75 year .427 win percentage in KC—No?
Aiken_Drum - February 7, 2012
Don't have to apologize.
Enjoy your Steelers.
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
y'all are so polarized lately
I liked Todd Haley when he was with the Chiefs, I was sad to see him go.
I sitll like Todd Haley, and I hope he does well next year in every game but one or two :)
Don’t get why you can’t like Todd, like Scott, like the Chiefs AND like the Steelers. I wish Scott and Todd could have worked better together for longer. Since they couldn’t, I’m glad they aren’t working together any more.
If Todd does well, some people will see that as proof that Scott was at fault and Todd did everything right.
If Todd doesn’t do well, some people will see that as proof Todd was at fault, and Scott did everything right.
Why can’t both have been partly to blame, and hope that both learn from the experience and do a better job in the future.
fongKC - February 6, 2012
both parties ARE to blame
Buck'O - February 6, 2012
right on
and maybe lots of people feel the same way, just sometimes feels like it’s either one extreme or another
fongKC - February 6, 2012
yep
LadyChief - February 6, 2012
agreed
hopefully everyone involved has learned from their mistakes and they’ll be better for it. My support of Todd started to dwindle late, but I was a huge fan of his. I think he was what the team needed at the time. Now it’s time to move on.
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 6, 2012
agreed 100%
cheapham - February 6, 2012 via Android app
I like Todd Haley..
Until his decision making turned to shit.
Shank Williams Jr - February 6, 2012 via mobile
Thanks for having a reasoned take on the situation
Sadly, since it’s not filled with polemics and bashing of other Chiefs fans…it doesn’t seem to be getting nearly the attention it deserves. Still, rec’d.
cheapham - February 6, 2012
Rec'd
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
That gives all the "with me or against me" AP members that shall remain nameless nothing to post about
No fun
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
Because this site
is full of 13 year old girls.
JayhawksNChiefs - February 7, 2012
Best of luck, Todd
this job has to be a dream come true. I’m glad you can finally move on from KC and hopefully fans can do the same.
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 6, 2012
you want fans to move om from kc?
or from the Todd? or something else?
cheapham - February 6, 2012 via Android app
just move on
let Todd go and leave the past in the past. We have "Da-RAC and “Da-Bull” now.
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 6, 2012
right on
I’m with ya. Looking forward to the coming season. :)
cheapham - February 6, 2012
If KC whip his ass in 2012, do you think he'd shake RAC's hand?
58 was my friend - February 6, 2012
of course
they had a solid relationship.
cheapham - February 6, 2012 via Android app
I've been thinking hard of heading to Pittsburgh for this game
I think this is enough incentive to push me over the top. I’m sure Todd and Romeo will be very cordial to one another.
Chief Willie Wildcat - February 6, 2012
The only reason that KC
whipped ass against the Steelers in ’08 was because Haley was our coach. Keep dreaming.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
But he was still our coach the next time we played them...
What gives?
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Different team
less interference from above… c’mon MN. You know the drill.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
I really don't, Aiken
To say the only reason we won was Haley would indicate that having Todd Haley as a coach was enough. Except it wasn’t.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
You are going to place a four point loss in the
same category as the ‘blowouts’ that you so hate?
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Nope
You going to call beating a team by 3 in OT an “ass whipping?” :)
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Yeah
I guess I did get my metaphors out of whack there. Winning sounded like ass whipping at the moment.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
True story
When you’re expecting to get killed that’ll happen.
One of the more fun games I’ve watched…
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
No we got very lucky
Jamaal runs back a kick for the first time ever, Studebaker intercepts two passes in his first start ever and faded away untill he comes up with the ball against the Chargers.
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
Sure, it's all luck when we win
and it’s Haley’s fault when we lose. Don’t you see the problem there?
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Nope it's all Haley's credit when we win
And Pioli’s fault when we lose
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
I never said that
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Is it hot in here
Or is it just Aiken’s pants being on fire that’s heating things up?
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Nah there were games we won based off our own merits
That game specifically we got extremely lucky, but nice try at putting words in my mouth.;)
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
Congratulations Coach Haley!
You deserved much better than Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli. This is wonderful news for those of us who respect your work and what you’ve done for so many players. It will be a pleasure watching the Steelers knowing you are coaching them up and doing back home.
Fantastic news.
ChiefConcern - February 6, 2012
Agree with your comment
Chief Concern.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Why are you here?
There is a Steelers blog on SB Nation you know…
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
Haley deserved much better
than the two guys who gave him his first head coaching gig? Cool. I guess I see your reasoning. Or not.
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
Couldn't agree More
There’s no one more responsible for the Chiefs Turnaround from the joke we were before he was hired, to a division winner and a team that overachieves despite injuries, etc. I’ll always respect Haley and his work here, and wish him nothing but the best except when we play him.
dablueguy - February 6, 2012
I had to chime in.
I had a good feeling that this would go through when I first heard about it. If there was ever a team Haley would fit like a glove on, it’s the Steelers. They have gotten soft offensively over the years. They are more of a finesse team (offensively) now. The team is going to want to get that changed ASAP. Haley is perfect for the Steelers offense. They need someone hard nosed to get the best out of that team. That Steelers offense is about to get the edge back. I love the move for both parties. I have no hard feelings. I think Haley did a good job with what he had. The person who has to clean up the mess almost never survives.
Enite - February 6, 2012
That last sentence was very perceptive
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
aye
upamtn - February 6, 2012
I feel terrible for the Haley-haters
They so desperately wanted Haley to fail. They wanted him to sit unemployed. They wanted to make Haley out to be a bad guy and Hunt/Pioli Knights in Shining Armor. Well, that didn’t work out so well, now did it? The Steelers are unquestionably a great organization. They hired what Hunt/Pioli fired. Hunt says he wants to be like the Steelers—— what a joke. Clark doesn’t have a clue how to run a first rate organization. Scott Pioli doesn’t have a clue. The fact is, the Chiefs are a laughingstock. And not amount of misguided hatred to Todd Haley will change that. I’ve been a Chiefs fan longer than most of you have been alive. I have never been so disgusted with this team. Steadman and Schaaf were incompetent, but they weren’t cut-throat jackasses (I know both men). The Chiefs better learn from their mistakes. They better start treating people like they matter. They better get off the cheap coffee, candy-wrapper, pen-collecting bullshit because if you want the best people in the NFL to come to your organization, you give them the best of everything and you don’t bother them with chicken-shit. Anyone that is a Chiefs fan should be shocked to hear what passes for 21st Century management techniques at One Arrowhead Drive. That’s not how you treat people and I don’t care if they win 16 games next year. It is not a sustainable business model. Period.
Good for Todd Haley. He’s working with a first class NFL organization. It’s where everyone wants to be. And anyone who is mad at him might think about who came out on top in this miserable, dysfunctional mess. Are you also mad at the Chiefs employees who are suing the team for age discrimination? Are you mad at those loyal, hard-working employees who were under—paid during the strike? The fact is, the Chiefs have been exposed as a team with bigger problems than nose tackle, right tackle and QB.
I hope they get it right. But it won’t happen by pretending Todd Haley is the problem. Pioli hired him and wanted him fired after the 10-6 season. Unbelievable. After Charles, Bowe, Hali, DJ and others exploded onto the national scene as the best of the best in the NFL.
Now Haley has been fired and re-hired by the Steelers. It will be interesting to watch and see how that offense develops——without a micro-managing, maniacal GM breathing down his neck and undermining him with the media.
ChiefConcern - February 6, 2012
Amen!
Preach it, brother!
MattHoover - February 6, 2012
I have greened you my friend.
Thank you for the words. The truth is often hard to digest for those who routinely eat their own in an effort to clean house.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Is this really coming from Aiken_drum?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
Well said!
electriclight - February 6, 2012
This....
proves nothing either way…..
The Steelers don’t know what went on….
Clark and Scott have both said they wanted Haley to go somewhere else and succeed.
To read into this that Haley is an amazing football saint is really just silly. He got fired because the team came out, wasn’t ready, sucked often, and he acted like a damn fool on the sideline.
Maybe a change of pace will help him, but he cost MY TEAM a playoff berth, whether on purpose or no, he made terrible decisions and this team paid the price. He deserved to go.
Now, when you get some proof for your assertions about Pioli you get back to me. I know what happened on the field with regard to the coaching. It was a mess from week 1. Can’t blame it on the talent, cause we’ve got a talented team. Can’t blame it on the QB, because Pioli went out and got one. Haley didn’t have the team ready for at least five games.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
When you get the proof of
YOUR assertions, please elucidate us.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
My assertions are more like established facts seen by all.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
Wow. The truth will set you free brother.
Try and embrace it.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
I am.
I saw what happened. I watched it live.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
I think we could all use more truth in our Lives...
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
hogwash!
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Great argument.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
No its Poppycock sir!
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
coffee grounds!
upamtn - February 6, 2012
blabbering blatherskite!!!
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
ok, you win for alliteration
upamtn - February 6, 2012
YOUR team? it's MY team, damnit ...
I blame Crennel’s defense not being ready for the first four games … I blame Pioli for sticking MY team with Tyler Palko as a backup QB
and I’m just getting started here …
YOUR team? please!
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Palko was a Haley guy
and you can’t blame Pioli for Palko, becuase he supplied two other QB’s that Haley refused to play. You can plug your ears, but thems the facts.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
facts? funny, you've never been too keen on them before ...
upamtn - February 6, 2012
I base all my opinions on them.
But keep on keepin on with the wonderful arguments.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
opinions are like noses ... everybody;'s got one
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Your face has a nose
cheapham - February 6, 2012
And these facts are as clear as the nose on my face.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
So you are cross-eyed?
electriclight - February 6, 2012
Ok, for the final time
Orton was injured and Stanzi is an unproven rookie. Haley had every bit of information that he needed to decide who to play. YOU did not. THEMS the facts.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Unproven Rookie...
How was that any worse then unproven other back-up?
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
Palko was completely proven.
He proved he was totally incapable of doing anything from day 1.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
BS orton was injured.
The moron STARTED PALKO again!! That injury was irrelevant. What a retarded play to call anyway at that point, but it was irrelevant. Orton came in the minute Haley left. He should have played against the Steelers with a limited playbook. Stanzi should have played in the second half in every single game Haley started the guy. No coach should survive those terrible decisions.
And especially when he gets a 15 yard penalty. The coach you keep defending…got…a…FIFTEEN freaking yard penalty in a game he kept playing a man who was doing nothing.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
the injyry was irrelevent?
really?
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Because he STARTED PALKO AGAIN.
He had a very good QB and didn’t start him. Yes, the fact that the injury happened is irrelevant here because the point is the moron started Palko in that game.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
my 2 cents
orton should never have been injured because he should have started THAT game. the 2nd quarter switch-a-roo was dumb. (ironically, didn’t palko have a decent 1st quarter?)
should have started orton or should have waited until palko was, you know, palko to switch. bad calls within bad calls. i’ll call it “Haley-ception”
Shanghai_Chiefs - February 6, 2012
Hey look at this!
TRUTH!!
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
but how long had Orton been with the team?
remember Palmer’s first start with the Raiders this year?
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Ups, if you are going to start making sense
at this juncture I may have to raise you to jedi status.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
well, I;m far too slow for Ninja
and that’s MN’s domain anyway :-)
upamtn - February 6, 2012
totally agreed
it wasn’t best case for anyone. but still… after watching what either of them had done previously, it seems many many many people might put stanzi or orton in before p-man.
Shanghai_Chiefs - February 6, 2012
Palmer hadn't been on ANY team practicing in a year
Also, he’d been with the team for what, a few days? As opposed to weeks?
HUGE difference.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
that game when Orton was hurt he'd been with the team for barely over a week
granted not two days …
upamtn - February 6, 2012
And yet he got less than half of the practice snaps.
But Haley’s a friggin genius. I forgot.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
Ugh. I forgot about that part
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Whoops
Those little factoids have to cease right now, boss
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
Oops...
I forgot what we were really about here…..
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
To ignore this little tidbit is just ludicrous
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
But he'd been playing and practicing with a professional football team
Again, it’s a big difference.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
t was about 3 days of practice differential.
And the Palmer debacle would give any coach pause about trying the same thing again.
electriclight - February 6, 2012
And the fact that Palmer hadn't even been on a team in a year?
Does no one else think that actually being a part of a pro football team’s practices is more valuable than “workouts” done on your own?
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Yeah,
and I also remember that Orton isn’t Palmer, and Orton had actually been on a football team, taking snaps in practice and in games, and hadn’t sat on his couch for almost a year.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
Finally! Someone else thinks that's relevant...
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
That injury
Was the result of a foolish coaching decision. Two, in fact
A) Not starting Orton and inserting him on a 2nd down in the middle of a drive as some sort of “trickery” (WAY overcoaching there. Play your best QB)
B) Calling a flea flicker that will take a long time to develop when you’ve got a terrible RT and a QB with stone feet who hasn’t had a chance to get into a groove at all.
If Haley hadn’t been trying so hard to “outsmart” the competition, that freak injury doesn’t occur.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
see my post above
didn’t palko have a decent 1st quarter? why am i remembering it that way?
that makes it 3 foolish decisions
Shanghai_Chiefs - February 6, 2012
Oh come on!
YOu are now trying to actually sell the fact that Orton got injured because of a bad coaching call? Heyzeus Macintosh!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Are you saying a flea flicker with a cold QB, a lousy RT, and a pair of good pass rushing DE's
was a good call? And not one that leaves the QB more open to getting hit?
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
No, I'm saying
that no coaching call can be held accountable for an injury to occur because of the call. That’s more than I am willing to agree to period.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
OK then
So it was the right call to start Palko that game? Was Orton still injured?
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Nevermind MN
Yes, I believe the trickery was a GOOD thing. We will never agree on this. Let’s let it die.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Fair enough
I mean, it worked out so well I can see why you like the decision :)
One incomplete pass and an injury later…
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
You remind me of my brother
full of it and willing to tell the world!!
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
At least I'm bold about it
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
I really doubt they analyze every play call for injury potential.
electriclight - February 6, 2012
True
But some situations stink of trying way too hard to be “cute.”
Yanno, like running draws on 3rd and long. Sound familiar?
Haley had many strengths as a coach. But he definitely got caught up in the trap of overthinking things and trying too much trickery and overcoaching.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Disagree
to the max
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Exactly, mn
I’ve said since mid season: Haley was a good individual motivator, but terrible in-game manager and his decisions, while attempting to be innovative, just ended up being awful mistakes. All the reason you need to fire him
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
he did say it was a freak injury
upamtn - February 6, 2012
You're a freak injury
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
Yes
His injury healed, he was ready to play.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Actually, his finger hadn't completely healed.
And you’re still not explaining why it was so cool to play coy and start Palko in that game. What utter nonsense. Haley tried to do things differently all the time thinking there was some genius to it, when it was really just freaking crazy nonsense.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
Please do me a favor
and NEVER offer to speak for me. Your ability to make assumptions exceeds the talents of the great Houdini to do magic.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
I never spoke for you.
Never want to. You can’t handle the arguments that’s fine. You haven’t given any reason to think Haley deserved even as many games as he got.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
I would look to Haley for that answer
I am not here to change your mind, only to speak the truth. From there enlightenment has to be sought.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
You've not stated a fact this entire time.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
For what purpose?
You have obviously chosen to recognize certain facts and repudiate others. There is no middle ground in that.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
I've chosen to look at facts.
You haven’t. Simple.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
Nope
I have chosen to look at facts and you have chosen to ignore them. Simple
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
I'm the one citing real life situations and incidents.
You’re going on about some ideal you came up with that you wanted Haley to fulfill.
I guess I just want to win football games…
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
The best way to have done that
was to let Todd Haley do his job.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
He did do his job, he just didn't do it well
Namely playing Palko for far took many games
RememberDelaney37 - February 7, 2012 via mobile
I'm glad Stanzi is the man
so we can stop with this Manning / RGlll nonsense.
electriclight - February 7, 2012
But yet when RAC took over
It was made clear Stanzi would start before Palko.
Huh.
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
RAC is completely inferior to Haley.
Don’t you see?
And clearly he’s a sadomasochist what with wanting to coach such an obviously oppressive organization.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
Would YOU
start Palko in the face of what was being said about Haley for doing so? Given the situation, there was no need to ring that bell.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Hahaa.
I know if I was a DC and saw the positions that guy put my defense in I certainly wouldn’t play him.
Your blind devotion is somewhat admirable I guess.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
I have no devotion to Palko
I truly believe that Haley thought it best to start Palko. Lead on McDuff and never the ’twain shall meet.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Haley.
You’re entire support was for him all along. Mine is for the team, and once he started screwing the team over he needed to go. Go back and look at my comment history. I supported him until he continued to do what he did on the field.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
Here is a fault in your thinking
My support was for the ‘ideal’ that Haley represented. That coach could have been named Rootabega for all I care, it was the dream that mattered. I know that you don’t give two rips about what I am saying and that’s fine. It wasn’t about Haley, it was about a dream. A dream that looked like Chuck Noll and the Steelers. Plain and simple.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
we're not modelled after the Steelers
silly Aiken!
upamtn - February 6, 2012
All of this is abstract nonsense. Not fact.
The ideal is worthless (football wise) if it loses us games. Haley never articulated an ideal beyond his near incoherent press conferences and the whole “play who gives us the best chance to win,” which was clear nonsense.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
sort of like The Right 53, huh
upamtn - February 6, 2012
No, not like that at all actually.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
oh? and how is one different than the other?
we’ve had platitudes from Pioli that are the same as from Haley …
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Because Pioli actually has articulated a football philosophy?
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
namely what?
upamtn - February 6, 2012
Draft talent
develop them, keep them here, make a championship football team. Might fail, but he articulated it.
Haley said next to nothing in very long paragraphs.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
I didn't say that Haley articulated anything
I said that “I” supported this ideal. Haley was just a vehicle.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
The ideal you made up yourself and projected on to Haley?
I’m no psychologist, but this sounds like an issue if you’re trying to give real reasons to support him.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
Don't try to play psychotherapist
I’m trying to explain MY reasons for supporting Haley. You are the one taking that WAY out of context.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
I'm just going off of what you said.
Who articulated the ideal if it wasn’t Haley? I heard no ideal from him. I saw negative things on the field.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
YOu still aren't with me here
I am talking about why I supported the ideal. Not the actual reality of how that ideal played out.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
An ideal that you can't even tell me the origin of.
If it didn’t come from Haley, why are you so vociferously defending him? Is it only possibly embodied in him? Really?
If you’re for a failure of football ideology, that’s fine, but don’t act like Pioli is evil for firing an incompetent coach.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
I know it's hard to separate the two
I do believe that Haley was a good coach and should not have been fired. The other part that I was trying to explain was that no matter who the HC would have been, if the circumstances of his hire and his pedigree would have been similar, I would have voraciously supported it.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Coaches are hired and fired based on real performance. Not some unknown football ideal.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
The origins of this ideal
were mine and mine alone.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Is that NOT what I said?
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
No
you said I couldn’t tell you the origin of it. I just did.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
I said earlier it's one you invented and then projected on to Haley...
I know I said that.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
Ok
This thread has gotten so long, I am losing the discussions. The ideal was something that encapsulated what Haley brought with him when he came to KC, but it could have been anybody who brought the same things.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
I may have to do a post to
explain what I mean by this.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Well I normally enjoyed your optimistic ones.
But let’s not be unrealistic.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
I don't understand
unrealistic?
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Chasing a football ideal instead of results.
This isn’t morality, it’s football.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
Nevermind
Shouldn’t have wasted my time trying to explain.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Have to REC
Coz that’s the same reason I liked the possibilities we had under Todd
urod69 - February 7, 2012
another 2 cents (and the truce is still on)
but if he truly believed Palko gave us the best shot to win after already seeing what he had done previously… well, it kind of proves out the theory that he might be a bit bonkers.
Shanghai_Chiefs - February 6, 2012
This
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
That is exactly the point
It became clear that “playing theplayer that gives us the best chance to win” and “sticking to the process” were two completely different ideals that did not coincide. Just another mark on the laundry line of crazy that Haley hung for all to see
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
even if the player was an untested rookie
or a proven dude that had limited snaps in 3 practices.
period.
Shanghai_Chiefs - February 6, 2012
What did we have to lose?
Clearly Palko wasn’t getting it done offensively. What would playing a rookie or limited snap player take us down to? Less points?
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
EXACTLY
Shanghai_Chiefs - February 6, 2012
Easy...
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Yeah, you do.
That’s all we all care about.
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
Marvelous Post Sir
You are to be Greened and envied.
dablueguy - February 7, 2012
BYE!
enough said
Tbone8801 - February 6, 2012
I enjoyed Haleys time here
It ended on a sour note but I hold no ill will, besides keeping our team completely unprepared to start the season.
Hope he finds success.
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
Hollow praise
from one such as you.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
I suppose
Im just a random Chiefs fan on a Chiefs blog, and I dont think Haley cares one lick what I or you or anyone else has to say.
But he did good things with and it is unfortunate that it didnt work out, but being stuck in the past wont help anything because the future is always bright. I wont keep myself in the doldrums about it and neither should you.
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
It's hard to believe that you mean that
when you spent so much time trying to demean and impune what I have previously written.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
what? When was this?
Yeah i laughed at one comment you said, only because youre being so damn negative about everything.
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
Good God!
You have been on the Anti-Aiken Drum bandwaggon to the extent that you should be labeled HIV Jr.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
What? When was this?
I have no agenda against you or any other Chiefs fan dude, in fact I dont think ive talked to you anymore times then I count on my fingers. I even searched my comments and I only mention you 4 times in 3 years of posting.
I just know you as optimistic Chiefs guy who made huge walls of Post I never want to read. I wish i had such passion(or old passion anyways) for the Chiefs.
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
If I have misjudged you, I will admit I am wrong.
I don’t think I am.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Wheres your proof to these allegations against me?
You say im deiving some anti-you bandwagon, id like to see how
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
I have nothing to prove
I am telling you how your comments have made me feel. That’s it.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Which comments?
The one where i laughed at your negativity? Im sorry.
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
Nope
When you decided to agree with HIV and ask why I took the time to even make a post.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Maybe that post sucked
Don’t feel bad, man. I’ve written a couple of terrible ones too, and been told so. Doesn’t make the person my mortal enemy. Just means they thought my post sucked.
I remember spending a lot of time thinking up a post I thought would be hilarious. and part of it included a joke regarding inserting wrestling-style drama into football. I was then told by a commenter how “offensive” it was.
Didn’t mean the guy had it out for me. He was just telling me what he thought…
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
No MN
This was a case of piling on pure and simple. I don’t believe that warpaint took any time to think about it, he just joined the pile.
Aiken_Drum - February 6, 2012
Just because we see the "sheep herding" with all the piling on Pioli
Doesn’t mean everybody does it. Done people have minds of their own
RememberDelaney37 - February 6, 2012 via mobile
But you don't know
You’re not a mind reader, Aiken.
And for what it’s worth, I get why people were piling on you. Since you seem so desperate for me to give an opinion that’s not a fence sitting one, here’s one for you:
You were coming off like a holier-than-thou jackass in your posts for a while, more interested in lecturing others’ flaws as fans than talking about the Chiefs. Maybe it wasn’t your intention, but that’s how you came off. It pissed people off, and many of them voiced it. It wasn’t a matter of people ganging up on you. It was that you were coming off THAT badly, that THAT MANY people were ticked.
Is that a “strong enough” opinion for you?
MNchiefsfan - February 6, 2012
This is probably why I piled on
If I really did, i still cant find the evidence to support this.
ChiefWarPaint - February 7, 2012
Sure
And it’s just another example of someone not facing the truth. I’ve also been told that I have more supporters here than detractors. Who to believe? Each person has their own truth regarding what they believe in what someone else says. All I can say MN is that if you wish to no longer carry conversation with me, I understand will not try to engage you any further.
Aiken_Drum - February 7, 2012
I don't think anyone doesn't want to not carry on conversations with you
You just have to be ready to defend what you claim to be “truth”. If you can’t do that and call it “piling on” by those who don’t agree with your “truths”, then you shouldn’t stake claim to them.
RememberDelaney37 - February 7, 2012 via mobile
I'm fine engaging with you
MNchiefsfan - February 7, 2012
Notice he won't engage with me?
Hard to engage with someone who has poked so many holes in his “truths” I guess
:-)
RememberDelaney37 - February 7, 2012
I think it'd be awesome if anytime someone was refusing to talk to someone else
They put (shun) as a reply to them.
In fact, there should be a button. Rec, flag, or shun? :)
MNchiefsfan - February 7, 2012
All because Aiken tried to maintain a positive outlook.
When everyone was in the mood to bitch.
electriclight - February 7, 2012
Thanks el
but I am sure the will not see it that way. This is the nature of the truth…some will never see it and others will refuse to see it, yet it remains.
Aiken_Drum - February 7, 2012
Odd how the truth and your opinion
Are always coinciding :)
MNchiefsfan - February 7, 2012
Hardly the case
Defending his past posts because you agree with him here is unbecoming. Only a simpleton would miss aiken’s subtle and sometimes obvious messages in a lot of his posts. Its not about “positivity” and “bitching”, its about saying we shouldn’t bitch b/c that made us bad fans. No self-respecting fan is going to put up with that crap, and it only got worse with aiken’s comments in his own posts trying to defend it
RememberDelaney37 - February 7, 2012 via mobile
At least I never called anyone a simpleton.
electriclight - February 7, 2012
This is the attitude that
has plagued my existence on AP.
Aiken_Drum - February 7, 2012
Anyone want to claim they missed the messages in his posts?
RememberDelaney37 - February 7, 2012
Beware el
if you give your support you may be considered no better than the base and vile thing that you support. You will garner their ire no matter what you have to say.
Aiken_Drum - February 7, 2012
I am terrified!!!
And a simpleton.
electriclight - February 7, 2012
Beginning of the end for the "positive" aiken
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/9/28/2455340/kansas-city-chiefs-fans-petulance-vs-positivity.
RememberDelaney37 - February 7, 2012
When was this?
I dont even know what youre talking about, and if Ive wronged you so deeply that you remember and i dont, well i apologize profusely.
Im looking for the comment now and cant find it, I feel bad now.
ChiefWarPaint - February 6, 2012
Let it go CWP
The damage can’t be undone anyway. Let’s start over—if you want. Hi. I’m aiken, nice to meet you.
Aiken_Drum - February 7, 2012
Aiken_Drum has gone rogue!
ExRoyalsFan - February 6, 2012
He learned from the best.
Palko lovin’ Haley.
bossmanham - February 6, 2012
I will absolutely be rooting for Haley in Pitt
His stubbornness was the reason a lot of good things happened and also the reason a lot of bad things happened. Hopefully he learned from his mistakes and becomes a complete coach.
RamX21 - February 6, 2012
Geez
Alot of bickering on ole AP these days. Go Chiefs!!
kcchief77 - February 6, 2012
about done in here?
finally i can cap the thread with some magic….
Shanghai_Chiefs - February 7, 2012
I would like to propose a trade
Pioli and Cassel for Haley and Terry Bradshaw. We would never lose another game. Is it too late?
Lucamachine - February 7, 2012
Yeah, almost forty years too late...
Bradshaw would not do well out there.
neiowakcfan - February 7, 2012
Good Luck Todd
I’ll enjoy following your career.
austinchief - February 7, 2012 via mobile
Good luck Todd! You got a RAW deal HERE
He grew up around the Steelers, this is a perfect job for him!
I’ve just became a Steelers fan. Still with the Chiefs but I want Haley to do good!!
ed2k - February 7, 2012
want him to do well too
GOOOOO CHIEFS!
urod69 - February 7, 2012
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