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Brian Daboll On The 2012 Kansas City Chiefs Offense

So what will the Kansas City Chiefs offense look like next season?

Chiefs head coach Romeo Crennel told reporters that it will be similar to what the Miami Dolphins ran last season now that they've hired Brian Daboll from the Dolphins as offensive coordinator. Daboll was asked in a conference call about what the 2012 Chiefs offense will look like and he kicked things off by using the word "attack".

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"The first word I would like to use is attack," Daboll said. "When you're an offensive football coach, you really want to set precedent on a defense and attack a defense. That changes week to week based on things you may get but you have a set package as an offensive system where there's a thousand plays but you pick and choose on a weekly deal what you're getting defensively.

"I think it's important to be balanced to help the quarterback out in the run and the pass. Utilize different personnel groups, different formations. Sometimes we'll move in shifts, sometimes we'll be stationary. I think you have to have the ability to have an up tempo scheme where you have a no-huddle package. Threatening runs, passes and all those different things, you have to keep the defense as off balance as you can."

Both Crennel and Daboll mentioned having a balanced offense, the various formations and groupings and the no-huddle. It's the last one that has me excited -- the no-huddle. I've always felt Matt Cassel operates better in that environment than he does at other times.

Early thoughts on how the Chiefs new OC describes the offense? Everything always sounds better on paper so I'm already anxious to see these guys get out there.

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I like the agressive mindset

Hope he can make an offensive scheme not as predictable as the Chiefs offense from 2006 to 2011. I still don’t think that Cassel is a franchise QB but he should be better next season

Game 1 this year was brutal...

How many times did we go 1st down incompletion – 2nd down draw for 3 yards – 3rd down incompletion? That was a horrendous game to watch. It was the only game I went to see, and I was just sick after that….

the more I get to know about Daboll the better I like this hire...

Especially after hearing him talk about attacking a defense… damn isn’t it about damn time we had an OC think this way!?

Wow

You’re easy. He’s a guy with a turd for a resume. He should prove he’s worth a damn instead of talk about it.

He was on turds for teams.

I mean literally the Browns.

And last year in Miami once they snapped the losing streak the offense looked just fine. Reggie Bush averaged 5 YPC as a regular old between the tackles running back. What do you think Jamaal Charles could do?

What does this comment even mean? How is he supposed prove he’s worth a damn? You just want him to be silent and refuse to speak to the media until out offense is lighting up scoreboards?

The guy is a young coach, give him a chance. What the hell do you know about him? Nothing.

He should prove it

But he can’t do that in February. So let’s stop bashing him and wait until we see the offense.

Agreed

Really a vanilla statement by Daboll, but what else can he say. I agree with Tripower, that the jury is out until there are a couple of games under his belt. It is easy to see the frustration of Chief fans with another ex-Patriot hire, but in the football world there are also lots of inter-connections. And if BD turns out to be a great OC, who cares where he came from so long as he is here.

Really?

Daboll’s highest rated offense in his career finished 22nd in the league. Really? If this guy likes Cassell already, there’s no way Orton will resign in KC. Romeo gets a one year pass just because, but if we suck in 2012 (and if we have Cassell starting, we most certainly will). So, if we suck again in 2013, Clark will clean house and they’ll all be gone, including Pioli. I was hoping for Al Saunders to return the offense to the excitement of the Vermeil era, but that was just a dream.

Al sure has brought that excitement

To the teams he’s coached since( Rams, skins, raiders).

I said it on Twitter.

Can’t attack if your qb can’t throw.

Cassel has done well in hurry up mode.

As Joel pointed out above. Of course, it would be best if Cassel is not starting, but even if he is, there are still some things Daboll can do to help him out.

Cassel does well in situations where he doesn't have to think, just react
The thing he does best is hold a clipboard.
other than the deep ball, cassel can throw just fine.
as long as he has 5 seconds and a clean pocket he's fine

anything less & he’s a mess

he doesn't need 5 seconds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAMwxwd5I-U

he does have a relatively clean pocket for a lot of these, but even when he doesn’t he gets the ball of pretty quickly. i’m not saying he’ll carry the team on his back, but with a good offensive gameplan he is fully capable of executing efficiently. of all the things you can say to knock cassel, throwing the ball with some zip just isn’t really one of them.

oh he can zip it..

just 3 feet behind the WR and at his knees.

watch the video

that season, i remember him having no problem consistently hitting bowe in stride or between defenders.

it's a tough sell...

getting people to remember the good plays Cassel has made.

but, there have been plenty

Every time a QB makes a play

you hear “Cassel couldn’t have done that.” You’d think he never made a good pass in his life.

yep

typical over-reaction and generalization on the negative side

like “Cassel can’t throw it deep”
or “Thomas Jones was useless”
or “Mike Vrabel was a waste”
or “Dex can’t break a tackle”

I could go on :)

If you make another over-reaction like that you are an idiot!

:)

well played, sir :)
If he gets it between the corner and safety on a consistant basis

like when he hit Bowe in the Vikings game, people would start remembering the good passes and forget about the bad ones like when he threw the ball to Weddle

you guys act like he's amazing because he's hit guys in stride a few times.

It should be like that almost every time. It’s ok to accept mediocrity but don’t try and make it out better than it is.

No one used the word "amazing"

For crying out loud…comments like that are exactly what they’re talking about.

oh give me a break.

Amazing wasn’t necessary, i’ll give you that. But you can’t justify the play of Matt Cassel. You can’t try and bring down the people pointing out his constant bad plays by pointing out a handful of decent ones.

This is what Matt Cassel can do. They draw up a play. If his 1st target is wide open, he can step and put it on the guy. He stares him down the entire time and connects. If not? He’ll check down to a TE or throw it out of bounds. There’s rarely anything in between.

*he can step up

This is what Matt Cassel can do. They draw up a play. If his 1st target is wide open, he can step and put it on the guy. He stares him down the entire time and connects. If not? He’ll check down to a TE or throw it out of bounds. There’s rarely anything in between.

What if the TE was the 2nd target? Is he then successfully moving through his progressions?

To make it simple

1st target to last target.

To be fair

I’m no Cassel supporter, and never have been, but how do you know what is going through his head?

I agree he has trouble reading processing the necessary information on the field, but what you are doing is providing detailed accounts of what goes through this guy’s mind on any given play.

It’s incredible really.

Also,

We’ve seen 3 years of Matt Cassel’s play…it’s not like the people that are against him are making snap decisions and overreacting like in the case of Daboll who hasn’t coached a snap for the Chiefs.

Nobody here is saying they want him as the starter.

All we’re saying is that people way overblow his deficiencies here. People can knock him without resorting to such extreme hyperbole.

In the case of Matt Cassel

I disagree. That’s all I really have to say about it.

right

I’d be HAPPY with a starter who is CLEARLY better than Cassel…

Orton was on the verge of proving he was better… but kinda fizzled.

There aren’t any FA or Draft QBs that would be CLEARLY better… other than the 3 LONG shots (Manning, Luck, RG3)

So, bottom line, the Chiefs likely have to decide on Cassel or Orton, and build an offense that works with them.

it CAN be done, and the Chiefs CAN win a playoff game or 3 with either guy, with the right scheme/players around them

of course, they COULD go all-in on one of the long shots

and be among the favorites to win the AFC next year

but, I doubt that happens

The only way I see them taking a risk on Manning

is if they think Stanzi has a good shot of being a starting caliber QB by 2014

That'd be awesome

Pay Manning what you would for a QB and a QB coach, Stanzi learns from the best.

If the Broncos can win a playoff game with a FB as a starting QB

The Chiefs can win with an actual QB

Give Tebow some credit

He’s at least a half-back

no, he's Alstott for sure
Can you hook me up with whatever your on

Chiefs win a playoff game or 3? Yea right.

You mean the throw that he drastically underthrew but Bowe still somehow made it to the endzone?

Or the seam throw they showed twice in three plays. Or the other seam throw he threw when the broncos were ahead by 20 points and could care less.

A lot of the throws were short and were plays Bowe made (which makes sense it is a vid about bowe). There were 2 impressive throws that entire video and the last flea flicker showed he can air it out and throw it deep. His arm strength isn’t THAT bad. It’s just a little bit below average. My only problem with Cassel is he can not handle pressure. Like at all. He never looks comfortable in the pocket and if there is a guy in his face 90% of the time he freaks out and his throw is bad. Some of that is the line but most of it is the QB, other QBs looked better with the same line.

Not saying he can’t succeed with a new O Coord, lets just hold off on making excuses for his weaknesses. He has below average arm strength and can not handle pressure. It is what it is.

Did Cassel's arms fall off recently?
no, noodles bend but rarely break
What is your name on twitter?

I will follow you.

I just hope he realizes

that Dex doesn’t have the same skill set as Battle. That you don’t run your speedy backs up the middle and your pounders to the outside. That would be an immediate improvement.

seems basic, but yes that'd be a good start

Also, it’d be nice if he knows:

  • if you take Charles off the field, and put in Battle… the defense probably knows it’s going to be a run up the middle… so, maybe don’t do it
  • the draw play to Dex on 3rd and long should ONLY be used as a “change up” not the “every-time” play we’re used to
  • the QB sneak should work if you only need a fraction of a yard… if it doesn’t work, fix the OL
  • if the defense stacks 8 men in the box… maybe try a pass?
Those ideas are just crazy enough to work.
I'd like to add

SCREENS – like, use them, and not stupid WR bubble screens 80%+ of the time.

I swear we haven’t had a legit screen game since the days of Priest and Trent.

You mean like what we saw against the Packers?

That was pretty sweet.

Orton? yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss!

please :-)

orton helps with screens, play action, and generally anything on offense compared to matt...
well, and do we CARE that he can't play defense very well?

of course not!

other than scoring TDs

Orton was ideal

he needs help

no one really helped him score touchdowns. like mclain dropping passes..

I didn't see McClain drop that many passes
I only remember one drop. Granted it probably would've been a touchdown because he was matched up against a little DB.

But we ended up winning anyway, so whatever.
I’d really like to see some more screens, too. If you’re gonna have the smallest line in the league, you might as well utilize them.
Also, not just bubble screens or RB screens. Those TE screens and fullback screens really punished those weak Packers defenders, I’d like to see that more often.

Wheel routes

If you want to get DMC “in space”, highly predictable screens may not be the best answer. Instead, send him on more wheel routes where he’s headed vertically up the field and catches it about 5 yards past the line of scrimmage. That puts him well within Cassel’s accurate range and uses his speed to his advantage.

absolutely

that play vs SF was perfect

Yep, Cassel is the man.
How about get rid of
:)

after hearing these guys talk and seeing what he did with the players he has had in the past, I will say i am a supporter of these guy

How about Trent Richardson

Instead of battle

sounds good to me

hopefully, he can take what he’s learned (good and bad) and put this offense to use.

It’s really frustrating to have an offense FULL of talented players and have them not be able to put points on the board.

Don’t kid yourself, this offense has more potential playmakers than most in the league… they just haven’t been able to execute. (Charles, Bowe, Baldwin, McCluster, McClain, Breaston, Moeaki)

I also think there are several guys that have yet to be “used properly” (McClain, McCluster, Baldwin, Moeaki, Breaston)

If Daboll can get them there, we’ll all be his biggest fans.

I'll bet he's excited to have all those weapons.

Of course, a shiny new QB (or even a somewhat dull old one in Orton) would get him even more excited.

I thought Moeaki was used pretty damn well the season he played for us...
where have I heard this before ... ? hmmmmmmmmm!
… attack a defense. That changes week to week based on things you may get but you have a set package as an offensive system where there’s a thousand plays but you pick and choose on a weekly deal what you’re getting defensively
At the top of this post?
don't forget to wish "happy birthday" to Charles Dickens
no, seriously ... that we'd do whatever the defense gives us or allows us to do

Haley said that … same thing Daboll’s saying

This season in Miami, Daboll showed the ability to effectively scheme and creative mismatches

Unfortunately for Haley, our offense tended to do a poor job of that during his tenure.

Just because they say the same thing, doesn’t mean they actually do the same thing.

or Len Dawson...

or any OC ever or qb, or

boring time of year really
I remember Al Saunders used the word "attacking" like 50 times in his first presser.
?
Everything always sounds better on paper

Is your paper talking to you again Joel? Wait….since when do bloggers even use paper?

Constantly.

Because most of us are full of shit.

But....

Remember, of course,, that when a defense is being built as the dominant part of a team, then keeping them from getting worn out late in games by using ball control offense is extremely important. I’m all for attacking, but the the offense has to have a really robust ball control game if they hope to beat the teams that have scary offenses that must be kept off the field as much as possible. As long as he can run a time-consuming offense, then its great to have a primarily attacking style the rest of the time.

If they can score points I don’t care how quickly they do it.

Yeah, it's the quick 3 and outs that kill the defense.
At this point

I dont think we can be picky. Rather a 1 yd td, or a 99 yd td, we need to SCORE SCORE SCORE!! We can take our foot off the gas in the end. Conservative playcalling turns into 3 & outs. With cassel at qb, there will be alot of 3 & outs..

It's so easy...

buy why wouldn’t we keep Orton instead of Cassel. I mean… you can easily tell Orton can move the ball and keep our D rested. His only probably was in the Red Zone, which seems to not be an issue with the last half of Miami’s season (with a back up QB).

Well, he has to want to stay.

But other than that, yeah.

3rd Downs

If he can correct our horrendous 3rd and short conversion ratio then we might be able to sustain a competitve offense. Get a QB that is capable of going through progressions and we are a AFC Champion contending team.

Bah!

Just keep the third downs at 3rd and 7 or longer and we’re fine. We did lead the league in that area after all. It’s those stupid 3rd and short downs that killed us.

did'nt exactly come across as saying he'd love to stay
Screw them both!

Let’s sign Manning, and actually score some points!

That's good to hear.

Let’s do something crazy… like use a balanced run/pass offense and attack a defense. What a novel idea.

It's what gives us the best chance to win.
good thing

We play to win the game. (Sometimes)

I like the theory - however communism looked great on paper too.

Cassel will be the wild card here.

I’m cautiously optimistic

Hopefully he can draw up something

that will give Cassel the full 12 seconds he needs to accurately throw the ball to someone besides his running back.

He just needs to call the perfect play against the D

like in Tecmo Bowl – when you get the turbo boost and can outrun everyone on the field, dragging them around behind you forever. You could do it in John Elway’s Quarterback too.

If we could do that, I think Cassel would have enough time to get the pass off.

the best techmo bowl play

run backwards for 5 seconds, then throw it deep

This

I loved okoye in TB, but this play made Randall Cunningham the first to be inducted into the TB HoF.

ahhh techmo bowl.

greatest game EVER! scared to say it but I used the raiders alot on it, bo jackson, willie gault on the run backwards 5 seconds then throw it deep.

its been a minute but I think I also used the giants alot also, dave meggett, LT, I gotta go see if I can find that game somewhere. What was that on the old nintendo?

touche'

My only hope is that he did decent w/ a terrible Matt Moore.

instead of actually throwing the ball 20 yards downfield like a real qb

Daboll can devise hook and lateral schemes to get the ball downfield and keep the D honest,….. Cassel is a huge liability is what I’m getting at and we all know it, and it sucks

Chiefs QB Woes.

The last time The Chiefs one a playoff game was with Montana. Let’s go get Peyton and draft some O-line help.

Question about the no-huddle in the pros

Can the QBs get any feedback from the coaches via the helmet radio if they don’t huddle? I ask because having an extra set of eyes and another 10 seconds to read a defense may help a QB in no-huddle situations.

As far as I know or have read

It is only shut off at the 15 sec mark on the play clock.

I believe so, yeah.
Interesting

Thanks for the feedback.

So that means the radio shut off before they got in the huddle last year
It could be worse...

We could be stuck with Tebow!

RGlll

Sounds like the perfect offense for RGlll!

agree for rg3
i hope i have to eat crow about this hire

I hope daboll goes coach haith status his first year

sounds good to me
Coach Haith?

A team loaded with Seniors that have played with each other for a long time. Kim English could coach this years team.

I agree with this

I think Haith is overrated. Nothing about their offense is particularly innovative and I haven’t seen him make many adjustments in-game that any other coach couldn’t do.

I guess its just results that impress me with Haith
me too

Easy to spot the Kansas fans LOL

I'm still not really sure about him

He lost 2 game he shouldn’t have (Kansas State and Oklahoma State) and won 2 games he shouldn’t have (Baylor and Kansas)

king chief are you a kansas fan?

missouri was meant to beat kansas it was no suprise this year.

There is still one game left at Kansas
you know who operates well our of the no huddle

Peyton Manning

the more daboll talks the more he grows on me

his cleveland and miami teams were shit. yes we have cassel at qb, but hes not much worse then any of the qb’s daboll’s worked with in miami & cleveland. He also has a better receiving & rb core here then on any of those teams his past. If we can get o-line on track through the draft or free agency, then we could see a top 16 offense 1st year, and improvement on that 2nd year (as i think his system might be a bit complicated, which is why it took miami so long to grasp it. could be wrong)

Show me

Ive had my fill of sound bite warriors. Shut up and win games.

I hope it works
our O under Daboll that is :)

mark my words cassell will not be are QB

marked

hope you are right, but I doubt it. The stubborn nature of the Chiefs heirarchy will say Cassel is our guy….. they know better but they paid alot of money for the guy and don’t want to pay any more.

The question is: Who will be our QB?

I still can't believe we're actually going to have an OC

that’ll be here for more than a year. Crazy.

And you know this how?
The odds are certainly in his favor.

You can’t really say that about the last couple guys.

Call it a hunch

think his chances are good though, unless Weis chokes at KU….not out of the question.

I just read the interview on kcchiefs.com

and pretty much come to the realization we will be lucky to win 7 games. Cassell will be the starter.

this should come as no surprise to anyone
yup. which is partly why i hope so much for stanzi to develop. may be our only shot at a change at qb if an injury takes place or whatnot
Unfortunately we keep shipping in coaches for Cassel

Maybe we should try something else? Just Sayin

Really?

Daboll’s highest rated offense in his career finished 22nd in the league. Really? If this guy likes Cassell already, there’s no way Orton will resign in KC. Romeo gets a one year pass just because, but if we suck in 2012 (and if we have Cassell starting, we most certainly will). So, if we suck again in 2013, Clark will clean house and they’ll all be gone, including Pioli. I was hoping for Al Saunders to return the offense to the excitement of the Vermeil era, but that was just a dream.

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