Arrowhead Pride

Ooh, it's back!

turned my virtual rec into a legit one

put my rec in

very well put. things havent been rosy lately but the overall direction of the franchise has been positive. I havent agreed w/ every move they have made but I have the majority.

RomeosBBC - February 9, 2012 reply

Pioli has my support, but his decision on how to deal with the QB situation over the next 12 months may change it.

saskwatch - February 9, 2012 reply

Can't really say until April 29th, so until then "Not Sure".

severn58 - February 9, 2012 reply

are you sure of that?

Approve as of now.

I’d love to see a productive offseason for that to continue.

bossmanham - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

He has done NOTHING

that has impressed me…His coaching hires…psshhh….his drafts…ok, but nothing special….his FA aquisitions…pshhh…

Im sticking to my signature line…DO SOMETHING!!

It's hard to swallow that

the majority of our best talent are leftovers from the Herm Edwards era….maybe he did know talent after all.

Couldn’t coach for shit though.

The majority of our best talent

Has also had time to grow as players.

Berry’s already a great player. T-Jax is a very solid player with room to grow even more. Houston and Asamoah look like legitimate potential stars. Dex was our second biggest offensive contributor. Arenas is an animal in two aspects of the game. Lewis is a better ballhawk than we’ve had since Page was at his absolute best. Baldwin has almost unlimited potential. Hudson was very solid for a rook when he played for Lilja

Let’s look back again in two years and see where those guys are.

Agreed...

Let’s meet back here in two years and discuss the progress of the players you mentioned.

Deal :)

In all seriousness..

I do agree with you…I just think it’s funny how quick we were to run him out of town now that we know exactly what he brought to the team while he was here.

True story

That ’08 draft was phenomenal.

Dont get me wrong...I SEE the potential

Im just not seeing it on the field…I think Dex would be great, if he was used right…but is he, Darren Sproles??…T Jax was the 3rd overall pick, he SHOULD be dominating by now, not just “getting better” or a “solid player”……the other guys are good players for their draft position, but by no means world beaters yet…

I DO think that Baldwin can be a stud if he get an offseason under his belt and a QB to throw him the ball….

Dex, even being used wrong

Had over 800 yards of offense for us. That’s at a level equal to Sproles before this year.

At a certain point, who gives a crap about position? What matters is if they’re producing?

Should we like Belcher more than DJ because Belcher was undrafted? I guess I don’t understand the reasoning. Yeah, he was 3rd overall in a God-awful draft.

Even Raji (everyone’s favorite “this shows Pioli is stupid!” guy) regressed seriously this year. A terrible draft, and we got a solid player out of it. That puts us ahead of the majority of teams

The most important task of a GM is to improve the talent of the team

And he has done a good-great job of that. We still lack depth and have a hole or two, but he has done a good job getting us better players.

Where he has failed has been the hiring of coaches and the PR aspects of his job. I voted approve, but we need to see some improvement in the other areas.

nateforchiefs - February 9, 2012 reply

who has he brought in thats "great"??

The team went 4-12 and 2-14 the two years before Pioli came

Pioli has SIGNIFICANTLY improved those teams. As stagdsp said with the first post, where would this team be without Pioli?

A rebuild of a pathetic football team takes more time. In the first three years of that rebuild process, he put a team together teams that won 10 and 7 games. That’s pretty damn good.

You expect an SB contender in three years? Keep dreaming.

7chiefs7 - February 9, 2012 reply

ok...its improved but its not GREAT

and like I said earlier…the REAL talent was here before he got here…other than Berry….Hali,Charles,Albert,DJ,Flowers Carr were all here before Pioli was hired….

I figured after 3 years of a rebuild we would be further along than this……we just lost the division to an 8-8 team lead by Tebow running the option…i understand injuries but come on….and now, we are starting over with another coach and installing ANOTHER offense….he seems married to Cassel, he cant get past the Patriot Connection, and he failed to address some key weaknesses on the team…RT for instance……HOW IN THE WORLD was Barry Richardson still starting for this team this year??…

http://pickingpros.com/nfl/2008/kansas-city-chiefs-roster.php

Reply fail

But I actually said he has been "great" at getting us better players, no necessarily great players.
Eric Berry, Jon Asamoah, Lilja, Hudson (still unproven I know), Thomas Jones for a season, Steve Breaston, Moeaki, Houston, Baldwin has potential, McClain, Tyson Jackson, Kendrick Lewis, Succoup

nateforchiefs - February 9, 2012 reply

Eric Berry, for one

but, seriously, if you have to ask that question… take a look at:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/roster/_/name/kc/kansas-city-chiefs

if you don’t think that’s a HUGE improvement… well, we just aren’t going to agree on much

stagdsp - February 9, 2012 reply

Ok...ill give you Eric Berry

…the book is still out on everyone else…in fact, after ACL surgery, the book may still be out on Berry too….nobody else is a s STAND OUT star in the NFL…they may be stars in KC….but nobody else around the league classifies them that way

he only gets so many #1 draft picks each year to work with

and he’s certainly brought us solid guys in Moeaki, Lewis, Arenas, Dex, Breaston via Free Agency, Hudson who looks very promising already, Asamoah, Houston who came on very strong, Succop was a huge addition, TJax has really done much better and is emerging as a stud for what he’s being asked to do …

look, I’m one of the first to rip and shred Pioli (or almost anyone else) but I’ll also give him credit for what he HAS done well … you should do the same

I can have an opinion

when I look at other rosters in the league, KCs does NOT stand out…plain and simple…

O c'mon now

Name 5 offenses without a great QB that stand out over the Chiefs offense

Chiefs_swagger - February 9, 2012 reply

I will say this

I am on a ledge with KC this year…..im tired of mediocre bullshit year in and year out…..they need to PROVE to me that they are REALLY in it to win it…I believe they have enough pieces to push for a Championship, but Im afraid that they will not push the envelope enough to get there…The BIGGEST need is QB, we WILL NOT win with Cassel….so, if they do not address that position this year, you might as well call the season a wash…..KC MIGHT make the playoffs, but thats it….Im not satisfied with making the playoffs, Ive waited too long, 40 years……

yanno what's really amazing?

that the Raiders won the Super Bowl with Jim Plunkett … TWICE!

and WHY is that so amazing? Plunkett, for his career, had more INT’s than he did TD’s … IOW: teams can not only win they can win BIG with even average QB’s

go figure, huh!

as for “mediocre” we’re in the Top 5 in defense, yes? certainly the last half of the year we were one of the top defenses in the league … that’s not mediocre

relax and let it unfold, let it happen

ZERO Playoff Wins

in 18 years. That’s mediocre at best.

Doesn’t really matter where the Defense finished in 2011, that was last season. Hell, we finished as AFC Champs two seasons ago…and that’s done what for us?

*AFC West Champs

…may have gotten a little over excited with the earlier proclamation.

it means they got to print up some hat and T shirts

that said AFC West Champions and sell em to make a shitload of money….

This isn't the 70s, ups. You just aren't winning a super bowl without high level QB play

RememberDelaney37 - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Man, I think about the 70s, and it doesn't seem that long ago, then I actually do the math...

Damn I’m old.

Brsrkr - February 9, 2012 reply

uuuugh

same

Sigh

im tired of mediocre bullshit year in and year out

See my signature…rinse, repeat.

…

I know ... how easy it is to forget that during the 90's the Chiefs were one of the most successful and winningest of all franchises

and while I realize that “everyone loves a winner” I must admit that I wasn’t raised by Vince Lombardi, and therefore I was taught that there actually ARE other things in life than simply winning a game …

perhaps I might feel differently if said trophy was actually permitted to grace my own personal mantle and hearth, but as it’s generally kept hidden away in a team viewing cubbyhole at a stadium that I cannot afford to attend anyway, it really does me no good at all regardless of what team “owns the title” and trophy for a year

I suppose I’ll just have to live with having an organization that I can be proud of in other ways …

sportsmanship, getcha some

Really? That's what's important to you?

I suppose I’ll just have to live with having an organization that I can be proud of in other ways

Yeah, I work with charities and other organizations that I can be proud of.

When I’m shelling out money for season tickets year after year, I expect something other than good off_the_field behavior from my sports team.

They need to win football games, that is their job, they are compensated well for it and for 20 years we have been bad at it (with a few exceptions).

I understand your frustrations, chai ... wish I had the means to afford ANY game, much less season tickets

and major major props for all your charity work … done some myself

I’m sure those players would love to win more games, and yes, championships … but it seems to me they’re paid to play football and not SPECIFICALLY paid to win (wouldn’t that dictate some kind of performance pay? merit pay? a certain amount per win?)

there are always winners and losers in any type of “contested sport” or game … we’re fortunate to have a team to cheer for at all, and I doubt seriously the team or organization or players prefer to lose, but their “job” is to play and thus provide entertainment … and they do that (how well they do that is another story, but they do play)

is our fandom based on wins and losses? (should it be?) isn’t it really based on our collective hopes and dreams for the organization that represents our hometown? (or in some cases, the organization that we choose from afar) … and if so, shouldn’t we then be proud of the team and organization so long as they represent us in a positive manner and light? (unlike some teams and organizations)

At the end of the day...

My fandom is not based on wins and losses (unless I really like the losing part) since I still stick around.

But the stated goal of the organization is to “Win Championships”. I expect them to do that or at the very minimum give 110% effort trying to do that. Not like the efforts of the BUF, MIA and DEN games this year.

The entire Chiefs organization are tremendous stewards in the community and that is noble but, after all, it is the money from fans that affords them the free time to participate in their charitable activities.

I expect them to excel at their jobs as well…that is why we watch.

There is always the next play,
The next series,
The next half,
The next game,
The next Season.

If they want to sell me on “Winning Championships” they better make that happen, otherwise they shouldn’t waste my time.

I got your back on all this, Chai.

Hmm, do you like Chai Tea? I love the stuff.

Anywhoo, I’ve always said being a Chiefs fan is about the ride, not the destination. If the fans enjoy the tailgaiting, the BBQ, the atmosphere and experience of watching NFL games with high energy, rabid fans, and watching your fave players do their thing … then by all means do it and enjoy it. If they win one, then that’s just a helluva bonus.

If the fans want to worship the statue and memory of Lamar Hunt for bringing and keeping an NFL franchise to KC in the first place, then that’d perfectly valid. If they want to do the same for the memory of Lamar helping start the AFL, and then getting it merged with NFL to create the NFL as we know it today, then that’s perfectly fine. If they want to continue to do so for the memories of an actual winning team that made 2 SB appearances – and won one – then awesome possum. No problemo with all those reasons.

However, once Lamar got KC addicted to Chiefs football, got the AFL established, and then merged into the “Big Boys Club” (AKA: The NFL), then he just hit cruise control and watched the profits keep on rolling in while letting the team fizzle out after their last hurrah on Christmas Day, 1971; the Chiefs and football became merely a hobby for him thereafter.

But Lamar/Chiefs apologists keep on coming up with endless, emotional, mass rationalizations for why the Chiefs haven’t went to a SB in the last 42 years, and have only won 2 playoff games in these last 42 years, as well. And its NOT because Lamar Hunt DIDN’T know how, or know what it took, to build a winning team that could compete for a SB berth season after season. The HELL he DIDN’T!!! Because he had already proven he knew how with the team HE built that lasted from about 1960 thru 1971.

And I’m not criticizing you at all for being a season ticket holder, so this isn’t diatribe pointed at you personally, Chai. But I think – given your sigline and what you’ve written here – you’ve become intellectually honest with yourself in regards to this team’s ownership not giving a damn about building a continuously winning, playoff competitive, and possible SB berth team since 1969. The Chiefs are just a hobby to the Hunts, and they milk the best profit-to-cost ratio with a small-market fan base they can.

Heh. There’s nothing logical nor rational about being a fan of anything. Hell, in regards to the Chiefs, its not even reasonable, lol. Its all based on emotion and socio-culturalization – which is fine cause its kinda not really a choice for most. I was brainwashed into being a Chiefs fan most likely while still in the womb by a mother who thought/thinks Lenny Dawson is a god, lol.

Only you can decide if the Chiefs continue to merit your hard earned bucks relative to the enjoyment and satisfaction you receive from going the stadium and watching them play. But if Prince Clark is actually hellbound intent on building a SB team, he’ll have to SHOW ME before I buy what he and Pioli are sellin’.

We’ve all watched the same ol’ song and dance of rebuilding the Chiefs to just GOOD enough to make for a good striptease. A tease just hot enough to get the one, five, ten, and even 20, dollar bills thrown at them for a 1/2 hour show, without ever showing the real goodies. And then they walk off the stage with a lot more extra cash to last them for a bit … and then just go thru the motions for a while. Have a good one!

LocoLoboChico - February 9, 2012 reply

Also, several ...

apparently on here at least … seem to be satisfied with mediocrity. Hell, they appear to love it. Ehh, a winning season here, one there … a playoff game here, one there … is good enough. I’ll never understand that attitude.

It seems to be one of born of an abused child/spouse/SO/family member that thinks they can’t, and/or won’t, and/or will not ever demand anything better. At least you’re demanding to treated better. And if you’re not, then you’ll finally have to walk away. Nothing wrong with that, man.

LocoLoboChico - February 9, 2012 reply

Much respectable rant, man.

Brsrkr - February 10, 2012 reply

The whole point is to WIN IT ALL

NOT win just enough to keep the fans interested and spending money….

oh, I thought the $9 Billion business that is the NFL was indeed the point itself ...

32 teams and owners, 1,500 players etc … all of whom have terrific jobs and income, and I’m pretty sure that while all them would LOVE to win all the time, none of them are complaining about their slice of said $9 billion … nor should they complain

we all buy into it, constantly … even those not interested in football buy into it … it’s a major part of any community (just look at St Louis where the city is offering a few hundred million to refurbish the stadium for the Rams) … it’s everyone’s money, not just yours

Full Metal Jayhawk - February 9, 2012 reply

Honestly, sportsmanship is about the lowest bar you can set.

I know lots of nice guys. Heck, I think I’m a nice guy sometimes. I’m proud when the Chiefs help the community and win man-of-the-year recognition. But I’m even more proud when my own company does that, so I don’t need the Chiefs to provide that for me. What sports are for is to show us how to struggle against incredible odds and hardship, in open and honest competition, and win.

Brsrkr - February 9, 2012 reply

I'll have to agree with KCin AZ, to a degree

other than QB, our team has been improved every year Scott has been here.
But for whatever reason, he’s convinced that he can win with Cassel. Maybe Matt took some incriminating pics of Scott some evening, we’ll never know, but he’s been the most protected player in KC for the last three years.
I understand starting quarterbacks don’t grow on trees, but this seems to be more along the lines of, “he fits the Patriots mold” mantra that’s being forced down our throats.
At some point, I hope he quits accepting mediocre to average qb play and starts to expect better. If not, Matt Cassel will define his time here in KC.

In the last 2 years,

what other teams have scored more than 1 STAND OUT star, if any?

I think your criteria for criticism might be a little harsh…

Tomahawk29 - February 9, 2012 reply

Philadelphia

Nnamdi A, Rogers-Cromartie, Babin

All it got them was a hot bowl of jack fucking shit.

True that.

But even then I’d say that Berry, Houston and Breaston are somewhat comparable pick ups.

Another problem with AZ’s criteria is that he wants them to be stars NOW. I’m pretty confident that out of Lewis, Houston, Baldwin and McCluster, that at least 2 of them will be legit “stars”.

Tomahawk29 - February 9, 2012 reply

Aye, no worries

I didn’t bother to skip back to the origin of the comment – just wanted to turd on Philly.

I’m with you otherwise.

The book is still out on EB as well.

None of us yet know what his level of play will be next year? One reason, of course, is coming back from the injury. Secondly, for the majority of players, their second year is where they get hit with some major adjustments made by their opponents having a whole season of film to analyze them.

A players second year is usually really crucial for them to adapt and overcome their opponents adjustments. They also really learn the subtle nuances (situational awareness is one example) of how the game is played at the mental level – instead of just relying on their crazy athleticism. Now EB has already showed a helluva faster learning curve in the football IQ department his rookie season. So I think he’ll still become an all-pro if the injury doesn’t permanently lessen his athletic abilities. We’ll just have to see.

LocoLoboChico - February 9, 2012 reply

Depending on your perspective...

Cassel was great at the time – we needed a QB, that’s what we got, it was an improvement. In hindsight, many have soured, but at the time we liked it.
Copper was a great addition to special teams
Breaston was a great addition to the WR corps
McClain was a great addition at FB (over Cox, seriously) – Haley just didn’t use him.
Lilja was a great pickup when we added him – he instantly improved the O-line. Again, some soured on him this past year, but go back to 2010 and find me someone who was pissed that we added Lilja – good luck.
I’m sure there are more that I can’t think of, this was off the top of my head.

Just like in drafts – you’re not going to “hit” on every free agent. There are going to be average picks and bad ones as well. Amon Gordon while not great has been very good. Jones was so-so, Gregg was so-so, O’Cal meh, Siler we won’t know until he heals and returns, Sabby blech,

Let me know how many total disaster pick-ups he’s made? Where’s Pioli’s Kendrell Bell? Where’s his Damien MacIntosh? Where’s his Chester McGlockton? Where’s his Ty Law (ok Ty had 1 decent season)?

Do you even remember how many shitty FA pick-ups Carl made? Not only picking up bad players, but waaaaaay overpaying them. Let’s not even go through Carl’s myriad of horrible top-end draft picks.

It’s like all of a sudden everyone has blinders on to what happened prior to Pioli coming in. Since we aren’t in the Super Bowl 3 years after Pioli came in, he’s getting picked apart.

Pioli’s drafts have been good, his Free Agency picks have been average – some good some not so good. This team was a hot mess before he got here and we’ve come a looooong way since then. I think people have lost perspective as to just how far down we were in the ditch that we’ve been trying to climb out of. That shit was deep!

well some would say..

the REAL talent on this team was here before Pioli got here….with the exception of Berry…Hali,Charles,Flowers,DJ,Carr

Or maybe it takes a few years for NFL players to develop, and to judge draft success after one or two years is not really fair.

saskwatch - February 9, 2012 reply

He also has re-signed all those guys except Carr

Some points for not throwing out what was good just because he didn’t bring it in.

BeauJackson - February 9, 2012 reply

Eric Berry is great

But I actually said he has been “great” at getting us better players, no necessarily great players.
Eric Berry, Jon Asamoah, Lilja, Hudson (still unproven I know), Thomas Jones for a season, Steve Breaston, Moeaki, Houston, Baldwin has potential, McClain, Tyson Jackson, Kendrick Lewis, Succoup

nateforchiefs - February 9, 2012 reply

The "most important" task of a GM is to work closely with the HC and co-ordinate getting good

This is based on a statement made by the new GM with the Raiders on the Green Bay way.

....good talent.

Which is why GMs bring in guys they know they can work with, and jettison the ones they can't work with.

Brsrkr - February 9, 2012 reply

Bold prediction:

Multiple people disapprove of Pioli based on a hiring that was Crennel’s call.

Because, yanno, Pioli, Crennel, and Daboll are ALL lying when they say it was Crennel who met with Daboll and made the decision.

Yeah and Haley hired Weis

I don't think anybody said that he did

and I never heard a single report of Haley saying he did.

but here Crennel was saying it was his choice. Of course Pioli has to pull the trigger, but I’ll accept that he let Crennel interview and when he came back and said “Daboll’s my pick” that Pioli went with it.

he QUOTES Tina Turner but he LOOKS like Cher

give him a break, ok?

If Haley had it his way

He would have been the only coach on the team. Some one had to step in and get him some help.

Brad-KC - February 9, 2012 reply

What do you base that on?

Not the best month for Pioli

Hired yet another failed Pats coach, Bowe is still unsigned, Carr is still unsigned. Oh, but we locked up world beater Cory Greenwood.

two words

short. sighted.

I treat these polls as a monthly approval, not an approval on the body of work

So I ask, what has Pioli done in the month of Jan to warrant an approval? Signed Cory fucking Greenwood?

Will u approve if Bowe and Carr are both signed?

Maybe even Orton?

NJChieffan16 - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

This is the first month I've voted disapprove for Pioli

Lock them up and he wins for Feb.

History makes me believe we'll keep at least one

I'd be extremely disappointed if he didn't sign all three. You don't draft and develop

good players and then let them get away in their prime.

Fair enough

but… it’s February? What did you expect?

To lock up one of two key players or to sign one of the better OC's out there

Wanted Hue, would have taken Saunders, instead we got a chump’s chump

not a huge fan of Daboll, but willing to wait and see how he does before I rip him ...

now Hue Jackson I’ll gladly shred with a smug and a smirk … he’ss one of the most rip-worthy guys around, both ability (overrated by a longshot) and temperament (throwing the Raiders under the team bus wasn’t very cool)

Again, it's February (in regards to the key players)

Has New Orleans locked up Drew Brees?
Why haven’t the Ravens locked up Ray Rice yet?
What’s wrong with Texas, why isn’t Arian Foster signed?
Pittsburgh must be idiots for not locking up Mike Wallace.

IT’S FEBRUARY! None of the “key” free agents have signed with their teams – NONE OF THEM.

The coordinator is your opinion and that’s fine. I personally didn’t want Hue, would have taken Saunders and was fine with Daboll.

And I bet their fans are anxious too

They also may rest easier knowing they don’t have one of the historically cheapest owners in the league

HIV 2 Elway - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Historically cheap will be challenged going forward

with the new cap rules – he has to spend… at least more than in the past. Whether this makes a difference in comparison to the above, I guess we’ll see.

Owner’s aside, I simply wanted to state that your basis for disapproval regarding his inability to sign two key players is overly harsh when not a single key player around the league has been locked up at this point. His “inability” is on par with 31 other GMs. Either they all suck, or he doesn’t suck. He doesn’t get to suck because of this and they all get let off the hook.

You're ignoring the other half of it...,

That he hired another chump yes man. And no, I’m not going lump Pioli in with other GM’s. Guys like Newsome have earned more leeway through years of success. Pioli is a career 21-27 to go along with all his other speculated office issues

HIV 2 Elway - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

I asked what you expect

You said: “To lock up one of two key players or to sign one of the better OC’s out there”

Your expectation that he be the only GM in the league to lock up his key players at this point is unreasonable, whether you count him equivalent in talent/skill to other GMs or not.

Your opinion on Daboll being a “chump yes man” is yours to have – I’m not going to argue your opinion of him, I’m only going to state that mine is not the same.

Bullshit it's unreasonable

He had a full season to sign 1 of these 2 players and he straight screwed the pooch (don’t give the whole “takes two to tango bs” get a deal done with one of them, that’s what you’re paid $7M to do). Now here we are, about 5 weeks away from free agency and two key players are still in limbo. I dont give a shit what the Saints or Ravens do or how they do it, I’m a Chiefs fan.

HIV 2 Elway - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

They can't franchise someone in the middle of the season

and I strongly believe that one of the two will be seeing the franchise tag before long.

Hali was franchised before signing a long term deal in August. BTW Hali wasn’t franchised until mid Feb, so the timeline is near where we are now.
Derrick Johnson was signed a one year RFA tender before getting locked up long term deal in November the following season.
Flowers signed during September
Jamaal was signed during December

So are we waiting too long to tag one of them? Not historically speaking, we’re right on par.
How much vitriol did you spew when we locked DJ into a RFA tender instead of locking him up long term? We got the deal done in the end and never missed a beat with DJ playing.

I totally understand wanting to have our players locked up. What I don’t understand is getting bent out of shape in early February that these guys aren’t locked up yet – especially when not a single team in the entire NFL has locked up a stud player, tagged or otherwise. This time of year is riddled with people playing the waiting game, wanting to see what the market gets set at, waiting to see who gets franchised, etc. It’s a complex process and you can’t lay blame solely at Pioli’s feet.

Sure they had the season to work on it, but there are players who don’t want to negotiate contracts during the season (Hali was one) so it’s not so cut-and-dried. For Carr, it would have hurt him to sign during the season as his value would have been lower than it is now – so is that Carr or Pioli holding things up? It clearly benefited Carr, maybe he knew that? Bowe’s value is about the same as it was before so it likely didn’t matter one way or the other.

If you want to freak out, fine. I would just wait a little longer before hitting the “Jesus Christ Pioli you are twice as dumb as shit” button.

QB Position

Who is responsible for improving the most important position, the QB position? Oh, the GM.

Who is the only guy that doesn’t understand Cassel is not a franchise QB? The GM.

I don’t care who the coach is, or who the OC is. If we can’t throw the ball downfield we won’t win.

dahd11 - February 9, 2012 reply

Is anyone else recent fanpost area on the right empty?

Mine has been for the last 2 days, only fanposts I can see are recommended posts.

saskwatch - February 9, 2012 reply

They haven't been on the front page since yesterday's Y2K episode

People have still been posting under the “All Fanposts” button though.

severn58 - February 9, 2012 reply

I've been meaning to ask you why you did that ...

I felt like AP needed a break, this way people could gather their thoughts, compose themselves..

Maybe come up with some fresh ideas we can debate so we’re not repeating ourselves constantly, like why does He-Man seem so stiff when he runs, or where are those flying cars we’ve been promised.

/My break didn’t work.

severn58 - February 9, 2012 reply

jpb well done, Sir

it’s quite obvious from this poll and thread alone that composure and clear lucidity have descended upon the good offices of Arrowhead Pride at along last

can you imagine a flying car … the ease, the grace, the joy … until you suddenly remember that you forgot to fill the gas tank

that would be a definite letdown, even on a Friday afternoon

But this is Thursday.

Be careful what you wish for

..before you hit that Do not approve button. I can guarantee that there are a ton of positive things initiated by Pioli that the public doesn’t even come close to seeing. And i would bet they far outweigh all the unproven negatives we end up seeing.

Just hold on. I still have faith we will start seeing tremendous results on the field soon. (and technically, in my opinion only here, ive already seen that happen)

ahuts - February 9, 2012 reply

Unproven positives outweigh unproven negatives!!!

Fucking briliant right there.

Fact: dropping the f-bomb gratuitously makes your argument 28.94% stronger

It’s a rich man’s ’nuff said.

Fucking rec

Way to make me laugh out loud in the middle of Criminal Law

I just got the Death Stare from a renowned criminal attorney… that can’t be good.

no worries, MN ...

you have a lot of friends here at AP, and we’ll all be there at your funeral … you know, if it comes to that ;-)

Hahaha

TheScootness - February 9, 2012 reply

HA!!

KansasCityShuffle - February 9, 2012 reply

for February

Not sure . he hasn’t done much besides help get daboll ( meh). If he resigns players and get REAL competition at QB ill approve next month .

chiefsman! - February 9, 2012 reply

Approve

Other than the tabloid rumors about behind the scenes stuff, I still feel he has the franchise going in the right direction. I could care less about what goes on behind the scenes. It’s a company, not a daytime soap opera to entertain us. He can run the offices like a concentration camp for all I care if it produces results. All I know is the supposed Family Funtime and County Club atmosphere from the Lamar years got us “football” fans a grand total of THREE playoff wins since 19 freaking 70!

He’s only on year four of a complete gutting of a franchise that has been mediocre to bad for 40 years.

CapsLockKey - February 9, 2012 reply

I've said it once

I’ll say it again: If Pioli finds a way to lock up both Bowe & Carr long term I’ll never say a negative word about this administration again. First DJ, then Charles, Hali, and Flowers. If you can extend Bowe & Carr, I’m all in

Im more interested in fixing the most important position on the team....

QB….and an O LINE to protect said QB

I can't be so bold to say never

but I definitely would feel much better should he get Carr and Bowe signed. I think Pioli has done a good job for the team up to now. Every move hasn’t been perfect but I think the state of the organization before he got here dictated a lot of what has been perceived in this forum and others as negative. The place was a shambles and a lot of unfortunate firings was unavoidable. I’m on the fence at the moment because it, as others have posted, is a monthly poll and I’m not completely satisfied this month.

KCnDC - February 9, 2012 reply

Interesting how important it is to get signed the Peterson/Edwards drafted guys.

indeed

they were some really good draft picks though

THere were some real gems in those last couple of drafts

for sure. But that’s the nature of timing. Those guys are coming up on the end of rookie contracts and such.

KCnDC - February 9, 2012 reply

Downgraded from approve to not sure

The team is clearly better now than it was three years ago, but more than a few things have blown up in his face recently. I’ll be interested to see how he navigates through the next 12 months.

Given that free angency will be insane this year with over 600 free agents flooding the market

I’d like to see Pioli take a few more risks than he otherwise would. Perhaps trade up in the draft and suplement the loss of those picks needed to do so with some solid FA acquisitions. Not necessarily looking for big names, but young solid performers.

like trade up in the draft

wink wink nudge nudge ;)

Because that worked so well

For Philly last year. They made the “bigger FA” moves mad didn’t even make the playoffs. I like that we are in a position to make a move if we want to, but we need to pick our shots. RGIII would be a shot, but if it doesn’t work out we are stuck again for 3 years. How many here were excited when we first picked up Cassel? Most were (except HIV… Is he a prophet?). It hasn’t worked out so far, but we are a better team now then we were, and at the same time we are in a position to make any move we want to, when we choose to do so. I am of the steady improvement category. Long term success means more to me then over achieving for one year. (almost 2 if we just block a freaking field goal)

danbre123 - February 9, 2012 reply

the operative statement being "solid"

not necessarily big name FA a-la Philly 2011

This year will be incredibly unique in terms of FA opportunity and not enough people are talking about it IMO. So much so that teams will likely take a somewhat different approach to the offseason. My original point is that I’m going to be interested to see how Pioli approaches it this year. If he does exactly the same sort of things this year as he has in the last few years, I’ll be very disappointed. We need a QB in the worst way. They’ve even gone so far as to publicly state that they need “competition” at QB. While this isn’t a wholesale admission that Cassel is not the answer, it’s at the very least an admission that they’re aware of the situation and they’re looking at it. If they don’t capitalize on the uniqueness of this year’s FA environment then it will be a significant failure.

Agree. The concern is that they need "competition" at QB might just mean a good

back up and not someone that can truely be a new starter.

If that's what they mean

then I think pretty much every Chiefs fan will be disappointed… although not entirely surprised.

Yep

The hard part of that is that every team without an “Elite Quarterback” is also in the hunt. I wont pretend that I am a good judge of talent. There is no question that we need to upgrade that position, and there is no way you stick with a guy, just because he is “the starter” (see: Grbak / Gannon – ohhh, the memories). However, the real question is when do you take your shot. Is this the year we do it? Do we wait a year, is this a better quarterback year? Is Manning the guy? Do we bring in orton? (at least that would be real competition for Cassel). I agree it needs to be soon, but I am a patient guy, and would rather take a shot when it makes the best sense for us, not just make an emotional decision just because we can.

BTW I agree with you on your comments, Not trying to disagree, just adding my thoughts

danbre123 - February 9, 2012 reply

I was just watching nfln at lunch

they’re reporting that Peyton cannot properly throw across his body. His prospects are starting to look grim.

I feel you on do you pull the trigger this year or do you wait?!?! IMNSHO, I think this is a team that’s ready to win now. We’re heading into a unique FA environment and we have a TON of cap room. I say we pull the trigger and try to make it happen now and get out of the rebuilding mind-set. To continue to do so at this stage will really only hold this team back.

Another Successful Tedford QB - February 9, 2012 reply

From a west coaster who doesn't get overloaded with Chiefs news on the reg

The national media has sure made Pioli seem like a crazy tyrant that no one wants to work with. I see the inability to work with anyone outside his Patriots cronies as a sign of weakness as opposed to a sign of strength. I’m just worried that we’re limiting ourselves greatly.

I don’t want a “yes-man”. I want a risk taker, someone who has some balls and isn’t afraid to speak his mind. Hue Jackson would have been perfect.

I will approve again if we bring Bowe, Carr and McClain back.

Disapprove

All Pioli has done lately is make the organization look like shit. He needs to accomplish quite a bit this offseason before he’ll get my approval. He can start by re-signing Carr and Bowe and doing something about the QB situation. Those, along with the o-line are the most important issues and he needs to address them or he’s failing.

TheScootness - February 9, 2012 reply

If they resign Carr and Bowe....

I will be changing my opinion, if either or both of them walk, then he should be replaced on the spot. The CHIEFS minus Carr and Bowe = giant step backwards

TheChefs82 - February 9, 2012 reply

Most important Job of the GM is to make sure every candy wrapper is picked up

and he is on it, like a hillbilly on a Slim Jim

Bigcherokeechief - February 9, 2012 reply

Get Bowe and Carr signed!!

Then maybe Orton or Peyton and a quality OLineman as has been discussed on here.

KCbo - February 9, 2012 reply

I remember when KC Chiefs fans

were seen as among the most loyal and enthusiastic fans in any sport. Now? We might get enthusiastic, but that’s only for our negativity.

Marty makes us one of the best teams in the league year in and year out? Harp on him about not winning a playoff game and chase him out of town.

King Carl gives us the best two decades of Chiefs football in our history (outside of our SB winning year)? Chase him out of town after hiring a crappy coach and suffering through a few crappy seasons.

Clark Hunt hires Multiple NFL Executive of the Year and the hottest GM candidate on the market in years Scott Pioli to be our GM? Both of them are bums because they can’t win a Super Bowl in 3 years.

What’s next for KC? A new coach? A new GM? A new owner? Is our best route to a SB changing regimes every 3-5 years or sticking with one for 10-20? I lean to the latter, but I guarantee I’m in a minority. We’ll see how things are going once we force Pioli out of town in a couple years and we go back to winning 2-4 games a year.

Bonofied - February 9, 2012 reply

This is America, Jack!

it ain’t just football. It’s everything!