Arrowhead Pride

I wonder

If they pre warned him that there was gonna be cameras and microphones in the room so he didnt freak out.

isimo - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Instarec'd

Sam D - February 9, 2012 reply

Got real lol

Arrowhead25 - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Brilliant

and rec’d

cheapham - February 9, 2012 reply

Ha, that's pretty good

TheScootness - February 9, 2012 reply

Funny,

But I would like to know how you pre warn someone. Wouldn’t that actually be warning them?

ArrowheadHunter - February 9, 2012 reply

Ya caught that myself to late

isimo - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Looks more like he signed with PNC Bank, sponsored by the Steelers.

JComp11 - February 9, 2012 reply

you know they’re going to score and be successful…just to spite pioli.

kc571 - February 9, 2012 reply

Let the Dysfunction Begin!!!!!!!!!

Kinda sucks

I wish he could have just been our OC before HC.

He is so young and has a passion for football.

I wish him well and hope that Daboll does better than Haley….or watch out.

Matt_Grbac - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Eh, I'm happy for him regardless

I don’t buy into all the downplay on how “bad” he was. He developed a lot of Chiefs players with little to work with.

I bet Mike Wallace and company will improve this season and next under Haley. If successful, I think that should put to rest any question marks on his tenure with the Chiefs (i.e. going to a solid franchise that Pioli and Hunt referenced as a model to follow and making them successful).

JMagsKC1 - February 9, 2012 reply

I watched the presser

Haley was great and I wish him the best of luck. I have no doubt he’ll be very successful. The Steelers are a first class organization. Clark says he wants the Chiefs to be a first class organization.

It’s hard to be that when you fire and don’t pay first class people.

Haley is a good man and coach. First class NFL people know this.

ChiefConcern - February 9, 2012 reply

Most likely he will have the final laugh.. As we are stuck in hell with our #7 he will be in heaven with his.

Until his #7 gets in trouble for not putting a helmet on

or raping another chick

hahaha well then he will be in familar territory.. No QB

Me too. He said that he's hearing from a lot of the Chief's players. Good luck Coach.

jcox31mc - February 9, 2012 reply

So he's already guilty of tampering?

I hope he has a good fullfilling life but

if you are not a chief i want every other team to suck with anything to do with football. so yea i hope his offense is horrible.

If he's so, happy, how come he isn't giving that bright smile he's known for?

X

severn58 - February 9, 2012 reply

Awesome!

I am Todd Haley of the clan Parcells. I was born in 1518 in the village of Glenfinnen on the shores of Loch Shian. And I am immortal…

bakerlee - February 9, 2012 reply

There can be only one!

Wichita Chief - February 9, 2012 reply

Now the scumbag shaves

and puts on a clean shirt. Fuck him…he’s an embarrassment.

no sir, thats you. growing out a beard and wearing a rally shirt is hardly what id call embarrassing

He set us up for failure

If that makes ME the embarrassment, then it is obvious you have no idea what you are talking about….as usual.

So he went all Tanya Harding on everyone's knees?

He set us up for failure

1. Poorly prepared training camp

2. Benched Baldwin longer than necessary.
3. Started Thomas Jones over JC.
4. Played Palko.
5. Caused issues with every OC that came to town – screwing up rhythm with our average to below average QB that needed coaching and succeeded when he had it.
6. Kept Orton on the bench (egregious enough to be listed separately from #4).

1. Tried something different for a one of a kind offseason- didn't work.

2. Should have started receiver with broken thumb. Sure
3. TJ and JC shared carrries and it worked out great.
4. THere is only one half of one game in question. People keep making it sound like he had a haelthy, prepared ORton onthe bench for 4 weeks. Never happened that way. The only other option was a 5th round draft pick with no offseason who had been running the scout team.
5. Fired holdover Gailey when they didn’t agree on philosophy. Everything else is speculation.
6. Half of a game. Whatever.

1. That no other coach (all with more experience than Haley) thought was a good idea to try with their teams.

2. Again – SEVEN weeks?!?!?!?
3. meh…not worth arguing
5. Speculation? It’s pretty well known that people have a hard time getting along with Haley, both in KC and AZ…
4&6. Orton rode the bench for 1.5 games before Lord Haley determined he was in any way better than Palko the Arena league dropout. I would rather have lost with Orton against SD to prepare for the remainder of the season than see Palko throw another ball for this team. If your best defense of Haley is Palko didn’t play that long…then we have nothing else to discuss.

Sorry...against Pittsburgh

don’t know where I got SD from.

however firing a coach for those reasons, and undermining him after winning the division, etc etc etc

definitely is

Wouldn't starting Palko

Be Haley undermining the entire team?

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Correct

Yup

I know many of the Chiefs Ambassadors and have it on good authority that Haley was intentionally trying to piss off the organization. It did not stop after he left, with allegations of wire tapping and whatnot.

The guys a bum, but don’t tell SDChief or he will get all butthurt.

I jus don't get peoples defense of him

What, cuz he put DJ and Bowe on the 2nd string depth chart before an actual meaningful game? Our offense has been terrible when he’s had a good amount of input on it, and we’ve looked less fuckin prepared than any other team in the league, regardless of this he said she said bullshit with the GM, thats no excuse for those things to happen on the field. Oh, and owns about 1/5 or 1/6 of our historic blowouts. That dude deserves nothing but the finger from us chiefs fans

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Amen

Just look at the player reaction to Romeo after the bum was fired. Yes, they all still wished Haley well but they have no reason not to, they made need to play for him someday…

Yeah, not many coaches would start their #2 QB when #1 QB goes down.

Riiiiiight

and stick with that #2 when he played like “#2”….

I hope you don’t have aspirations of coaching any time soon.

Yea most would realize that he was not a NFL #2 and

more like and arena league #2

Palko shouldn't even have been our #2 and that was on Haley

Everyone said he didn’t have an NFL arm but he was Haley’s boy. He floated passes like they were kites in the wind. He stunk it up and never got benched until we fired the coach. Haley said Stanzi wasn’t ready and if the guy wasn’t ready by the 10th – 11th week of the season then that’s on coaches. Palko didn’t play like a #2, he played like a #4.

By the end of his time here Haley was no longer trying to win games, he was trying to screw the organization and Pioli. If he wasn’t trying to screw the organization and really thought Palko gave us the best chance to win then Haley should never ever coach again because he has no clue.

Did anyone listen to it?

How did he sound. His pressers were usually pretty monotone and repetitive, every once in a while he would drop somethin interesting though.

RamX21 - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Can’t wait to see him rocking his ratty Steelers hat.

Topchief1 - February 9, 2012 reply

I really hope we destroy them next season.

Romeo’s D vs. Haley’s O.

chiefFANatic - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

DABOLLS O VS HALEYS O

O-MG

Brad-KC - February 9, 2012 reply

I think HALEY O's

would make a better cereal that offensive unit. Pittsburgh has enough talent to do well, regardless of who the OC is (at this point).

Sadly, Haley will get the credit, just like he did for being fortunate enough to have Warner and Fitzgerald in AZ.

Sadly, like Daboll will get credit for Charles' and Moeaki's return?

Yah

Don’t disagree with you there.

I dont, first time id be happy to see someone learn their lesson like that

What's that you say, SDSteeler?

SDAiken

chiefnation - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Touche'

Kansas City Chiefs Football Fan

You’re doing it wrong.

So you want KC to learn a lesson by losing to the Steelers

Screw that, save that crap for after-school specials and PBS documentaries. Blow the Steelers out 27 – 0 and keep walking.

Not sure I have seen a Chiefs fan root against the team

unless it was to get Luck.

I understand hating Pioli or being on Haley’s side but to root against your team. Says a lot.

You still haven't :)

An actual fan does not EVER root against their team…that’s all I’m saying.

good luck coach

Yawn

Who cares about this dude. Enjoy the bubble screens 3rd down delay draws and toss sweeps with your slowest running backs!

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Pitts offense will now be

Take the fastest and smallest running back and put him up the middle
Take the slowest RB and run him around the end
Take a 7 step drop and get sacked
Punt.

Terrible Towels remember the head coach before the current one for the steelers

If memory serves used to be in Kansas City, as a Defensive coach, now he is a Sportscaster with a few Superbowl rings on his fingers, remember him, i think they founds some diamonds on our sidelines huh!!

antony555 - February 9, 2012 reply

Haleys done nothing to be considered a diamond

Come on

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Went 10-6 with Cassel... I beleive that speaks for itself.

Pretty sure Jamaal was on that team too....

Oh no doubt, but my point is he won with a below average QB, knowing day one he it would be close to impossible.

This is what truly broke up Pioli and Haley.

Weiss hlped a little with that too.

Weiss won with him

Tired of those excuses.

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Jamaal thrrew 27 TDs?

No...

But he did account for like 40% of our offensive yards.

Enough,

Without Jamaal how may did Cassel have this year ? Jamaal mad e Cassel a below Ave. QB because he kept the D honest. When Charles got hurt it showed why Cassel Was a carrer backup EVERYWHERE

dbakerku - February 9, 2012 reply

And Weis

was the OC. QB play has been average at best before and after Weis.

Pretty sure Weiss has more to do with that

How’d our offense do before and after, hell just on preparation alone. Gimme a break this guy won’t be on the Steelers sideline next year, watch.

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Hmm, let me think

everytime Haley had control of the offense it sucked.

Yup, if memory serves, it was horrendous. Like this year, team worst 13.2 points per game. I looked at every year back to 1980 and we never had it that bad. Closest was 15. He was 2 points a game less than any other year. That’s terrible and at 13.2 we were less than half of the top team in the league this year. Haley doesn’t know shit about an offense. Battle, oh run him outside. Dex, oh run him inside. Jones, just run him. Pioli, you signed something called a fullback? How do I use that? Oh, I’ll just keep him on the sideline.

Ha nice!

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 reply

Sun shines on a dog's ass every now and then

Plus he had to be forced into having 2 SB winning and very well respected coordinators to do it.

Fact

We went 10-6 because Weiss was calling the plays and Romeo calling D. He hated Cassel and Weiss didn’t like Haley. We are about to see the affect great leadership has on a team. His players had no respect for him. Good riddance.

SullyWA2 - February 9, 2012 reply

Cowher has one ring. He was 1-4 in home AFCCG’s.. He lost a SB.

FrankWyt - February 10, 2012 reply

the dude still needs some serious fashion advice

candidate for the worst fitting sweatshirt of the year award? the black podium in front of him isnt helping his waistline either.

RomeosBBC - February 9, 2012 reply

If that picture doesnt tell you how unhappy he was here...

Then you should be stabbed in the eye by a soldering iron.

Matt in KC - February 9, 2012 reply

LOL so true

Which picture...?

The one where he is in the Chiefs shirt not smiling?

OR

The one where he is in the Steeler’s shirt not smiling?

Ha!

Having to watch him screw our O up,

I would have rather been stabbed in the eye by a soldering iron

dbakerku - February 9, 2012 reply

Head coach in 2014.

Brsrkr - February 9, 2012 reply

Buyer Beware

jmcgoblue - February 9, 2012 reply

Of the Lee's Summit High Boys Golf Team

HA!

It'll be interesting to see how Ben responds

with Haley telling him to Go F&#c himself after every INT.

jmcgoblue - February 9, 2012 reply

I dont think they are going to throw as much as they did this past couple years.. Haley is detemined to run the ball and all the Haley haters have to admitt he did turn our running game around

Did he really turn it around?

Or, after TRYING to ignore it, did he finally see Charles’ 6 ypc college/NFL average and finally give him the ball more? Did Haley turn the run game around or Jamaal?

People forget he stuck with LJ

And if not or twitter we’d still probably have that piece of shit

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Actually, that's how I remember the Priest era starting off, too.

I remember that we tried to throw quite a bit at the beginning of that first good offensive season, and only started having more balance after a few games when it was obvious our running game was kicking everybody’s ass. The Saunders talk kinda reminded me of that.

Brsrkr - February 9, 2012 reply

Exactly, we didn't know what we had with Priest or Jamaal and then their time came.

Thomas Jones playing is not turning the run game around.

JC is just so much of a beast he covered up a lot crap.

TJ was actually a huge help in 2010.

2011... not so much.

Thank you!

Not sure that justifies giving Haley a bunch of credit for turning the run game around.

I could have coached this team and still got the running game going, given the talent on hand.

Turn it around from what?

severn58 - February 9, 2012 reply

We had the best running game last year(2010).. Id say hed turned it around, just my oppinion though

And he made charles into what he is today, because he didnt just hand him the job. He earned it, just like Bowe!

How does Haley get credit for JCs 6.4 yards a carry

When he didn’t call the running plays?

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Meh.

2010, with Jamaal and a healthy Jones: #1 running game.
2011, no Jamaal, shitty Jones: #25 run game.

Jamaal had far more to do with the run game being elite than anything Haley EVER did for us.

When were we the #25 running team?

2011 we were 15th.

GenericBrand - February 9, 2012 reply

We were 28th in ypa

After being 4th in 2011

So when again were we 25th?

GenericBrand - February 9, 2012 reply

I didn't mean to really argue his point

Was just injecting a fact.

Carry on.

Typo.

My bad.

And BS Haley made Charles who he is today.

The guy has been averaging over 5.5 ypc for his entire career (both college and pros). Jamaal is just being Jamaal. Haley had little to do with making him the RB he is today.

agreed

Funny how Charles "earned" the job

right after LJ called Haley a golfer who didn’t deserve to be the head coach. What a coincidence.

Fact is he mailed it in because of beef with Pioli

how can you be about team and do that kind of thing. he is no better the Terrible Owens, he put his own problems before the team.

I agree terrible approach, but he young and he will learn from this. When your singled out, alone, and pushed into a corner a man will do what he thinks is best for him.

Wrong definition of a man

having standards and integrity in the face of that would have been an even bigger statement and i would have rooted for him the whole way.

Absoolute wrong defintion

of man getting paid A LOT of MONEY to do a damn JOB.

I may not like my boss either but I still DO MY JOB!

Exactly i work with a team.

i would never do anything to screw them just to prove a point to my boss.

...and if you did

you would expect the same fate that Haely received.

yup

i wouldn’t be mad if they were waiting in the parking lot to have a “talk”.

Which doesn't work in a team sport

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

I believe this is true.

Im calling shenanigans on this one..

Its easy.. infact i wounld venture to say that everyone of us has had a beef with our boss that hindered our production and either got us fired or some sort of disciplinary action. Its not that uncommon.

Matt in KC - February 9, 2012 reply

So Haley either sucks as a coach or he mailed it in which is it?

I am saying he had a responsibility to the players regardless of what was between Pioli and him and after having the team prepared with less talent in 2010 to look like it did coming out in 2011 is sad.

but haley can take the blame when the offense goes 3 and out??

Reply button

And no, muir gets that blame. Haley gets the blame for our team looking so fucking unprepared we’re cheering for 1rst downs and less than 20 point defeats. The dude owns 7-8 of our 30 something horrible blowouts in chiefs history. Yeah, good coach.

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Tipical reactions blame the coach, sometimes it just comes do

to the players, my bad hit enter to quickly

Those players...

Did pretty well when they won 2 of 3 after Haley was shitcanned.

What’s that you say, Orton was the starter for those three games?
(after also being on the roster for the two previous games when Haley “had confidence” with Palko as our starter)

I blame the coach.

welp,

that pretty much ends this thread. nice

Brad-KC - February 9, 2012 reply

Who's reponsibility is it to have their team prepared?

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Its teh HC and i think he was prepared, but the games got out of hand with bad luck early on. Our D couldnt get off the field and whe they saw Berry go down.. they went down and nearly took half a season to recover.

I agree Haley could have done things better, much better. But overall i think he has what it takes to be successful. I love his passion and when players buy into him he can win

Running Palko game after game

Is not doing what it takes p be successful gimme a break. This dude has no in-game adjustments whatsoever and just gave up and put himself and his fight with the GM over trying to put the best players out there to try and salvage our season.

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

He felt Palko was most fimilar with teh playbook, until Orton got there he had no choise.

choice*

Bullshit

We had the most generic playbook in the fuckin league. I wouldve rather ran stanzis ass out there than that bum. Haley did that shit purposely. There’s no excuse for letting him see the field after 1 game.

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Well so would I , i hated and pray no one will ever have to watch something like that again.

But obviously Stanzie wasn’t ready, and he wanted to start Orton vs the bears but felt he needed more time. After 1st couple series he puts him in there and hurt first play. He did what he felt was best and he is titled to that being HC.

Ready or not

you have to exhaust all avenues when something isnt working. i am sure all the rookies that played this year weren’t “ready”. you dont know if you are ready till you get in. and you cant always tell ready by practice or tom Brady would have started the season over bledsoe, Steve young over old montana.

Bad Luck <> Palko

Bad Luck <> Benching Baldwin for seven weeks for a broken flipping hand.

Haley made decisions to “teach people lessons” that wasted a season of Chiefs football. A season that many fans paid a lot of money to watch at Arrowhead.

He can when it's 3rd and 15 and he runs a %$#&( DRAW PLAY.

YEEARGGH!!!

Thought he didnt call run plays?

When he has I

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

When he's had influence on the offense

Those are the plays he runs

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

jc was a third rd rb who couldnt hold on to the ball before Haley.

Jus saying. Give credit where credit is due

He was the 3rd RB because of Haley

Give blame where blame is due.

under Haley he was never number 1 on the depth chart

he didnt earn it

ha, good point

That was by design, sometimes that will drive a player and obviuosly it works AKA Charlse and Bowe

that crap works in training camp and preason

but it could also have negative effect when you have an inferior player getting respect when it is supposed to be about production.

Is this Todd Haley?

Go away Todd. I will not give you any credit for you deserved none.

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Nope just a chiefs fan, who happens to think Haley is a good coach, but didnt work out here. is that ok?

But honostly its looking like i might be the only one on AP :)

He may be a good coach but i just dont like the way he handled the team this year

in the face of adversity you often see people’s true character.

I understand, i think he made some bad decisions.

But name one coach that can win when you lose your best players, have a below average Qb, a GM thats not willing to help, and a top 5 schedule. Just saying

I dont think Pioli and Haley could have gone another yr together, but i believe Haley deserves another year because of those situations above

Alot of the guys not performing had ties to him not Pioli

Urban, Pope, Palko, T. Jones, etc.

Its the GMs job to make sure that players like this are barried on the Depth chart. Jones was a good add a couple years ago, but even Haley played battle over him when it was obvious he(jones) had nothing left

But

Its these are guys haley lobbied for and he cant then look at the gm and say your talent eval sucks, the Gm will just look at those guys and say really, you can do better? Point is THIS year he did not put the team in a good position and left them in the middle of his tiff with Pioli. He had his condition program in place for 2 offseasons i think they could have spent less time on that in the shortened preseason.

Name a Coach? Todd Haley

He could have won with the team he had.

BUT

he chose to bench Baldwin,
he chose to play Palko,
he chose to condition rather than play football in training camp,
he chose to undermine the ownership and GM.

Rome did all that Haley could not do or was not willing to do with all of the same players available to him at that time.

Pretty sure Baldwin had a broken thumb...

Everything else though seems true enough.

For seven weeks?

Not buying it. Especially when interviewed about when he would be read to play and he gave the typical ~~Patriots~~ Chiefs response of “I dunno go ax coach?!?”

Haley did it to teach the rookie a lesson for messing with his boy T. Jones at the detriment of the team and the 2011 season.

Haley's coaching in 2011 = detriment of the team

Maybe he didn't drink enough milk?

I would have

personally delivered 5 gallons a day if that would have made a difference. It would only have been a benefit to have him play earlier….but I cannot WAIT to see him next season!

id feel like undermining gm too if i am stuck with cassel and the lowest cap in the league. lamar hunt would have never run the team like that.

then he should have quit

if i was a player and my career depended on a coach screwing with the team to prove points i would be waiting in his office to beat some sense into him. He gets paid to coach not have girl fight with the gm.

haha thats awesome

Just saying he chose to react negatively

where had he done so the other way i think he would have been drooled over for sticking to his integrity and remaining composed as a coach in that situation. He would be a HC somoewhere if not here.

i agree with that statement

He was just a passionate guy always. I think our team was a reflection of his inconsistencies but I think that if he had more time he would a figured it out. If we blame Haley then blame pioli for not being a better judge of his character before he hired him.

That is true i think the Haley hire was

his attempt not to hire a Hoodie cast off and go his own way.

ie pioli is not blameless

Definitely blame for Pioli in all of this.

the biggest fault on haley was the way he chose to approach the preseason after the lockout. but after winning the division i feel like you get a chance to redeem yourself. the steelers game and the pats game we had no option but palko and stanzi.

He did have a chance to redeem himself

And instead he chose to take a big steaming dump on his boss’ and his bosses Boss’ head.

How bout crediting his position coach

Haley has nothing to do with JC whatsoever

KCinIL - February 9, 2012 via mobile reply

Mo carthon was haley's guy. im just pissed that they couldnt work it out. one year ago we loved everything Todd Haley. now were just ready to wish failure upon him.

Might have something to do with:

Intentionally playing Palko over Stanzi/Orton.
Badmouthing the organization with crack addled rumors.

yea badmouthing during the season (yet he didnt mail it in) and

gave 100%. not whisking reporters away to conference room so have secret conversations. instead of that how about better gameplanning. just saying might have helped.

Gameplanning?!?

BRILLIANT!!

im gonna root for every player/coach who was ever a chief.

Not those who try to screw the team on their way out

i just dont feel like he was trying to screw the team

Ask breaston, McClain, Baldwin, flowers, or Charles if he was trying to screw the team. They loved that man.

Hmmmm...they appeared to love RAC a whole lot more.

They may need to work for Haley again some day, I doubt they will talk shit.

Trying to say they "bugged his phone" and all that

either go to the authorities and lodge a criminal complaint or shut it. No he was trying to paint the team in a negative light.

pioli isnt the chiefs

He hasn’t proved that yet. He isn’t from kc nor has he done anything to earn that honor. WE are the chiefs.

That is a public shot at the whole organization

It tried to make the Kansas City Chiefs look bad not just Pioli.

He could have just said Pioli was a jerk

and we butted heads on the direction of the team.

You’re right about that. Don’t hide behind reporters. Just call pioli out.

That’s one thing I loved about herm. He was at least upfront with the fans and media. RAC is showing signs of that which is good

yup

i think that is why he had a hard time getting another gig.

Actually, McClain said the atmosphere changed for the better after Romeo took over.

He said that the players had a clear game plan and felt better prepared.

Of course he did. He said the something similar after the 4 game winning streak. That’s what good teammates say.

Good teammates speak about how much better a new coach is?

I agree.

Weak.

Going into this year he was listed as the 2nd RB who had just tied a record that hasn’t been touched since Jim Brown set it.

Did I say that?

No. I think Haley as always had his hand in calling plays for the offense. Big reason why we’re going on our 4th OC in 4 years.

Interesting

Haley has been unofficially on the job or at least hired or slated to be hired for four days now and has yet to speak with his new QB?

GenericBrand - February 9, 2012 reply

I don't think Ben can talk to him

within 100 yards of Haley’s teenage daughter.

Daboll

Haley hasn’t spoken to Ben? Big surprise. Dabol actually spoke to Cassel even before getting hired. Watch for good things.

SullyWA2 - February 9, 2012 reply

This is the honeymoon phase where he shaves and wants to present a good impression

He did that here too. Give it a year and it will start going downhill. 2 years and he will have been in a sideline fight with a player. 2-3 years and he will look like a mountain man and will be starting Tyler Palko for them.

I have a question

Do you think our offense was hendered by our coaches or by the QB they had to play? Just asking

Yes.

A little bit of both

I would have loved to see what Cassel was capable of, if Weis stuck around.

You think a coach can really have that big of a inpact of a player that couldnt even start in college? a back up his whole career until KC. It doesnt matter who the OC is Cassel will never be good.

Weis was helped out with any easy schedule and a break out yr from Charles.. Remember the 4th down call made VS balt in playoffs? if Weis was so great and made cassel better i think he would have put in cassels hand on 4th and 2 instead of running a HB toss.

He could have started in college.

He couldn’t start at USC, with two Heisman Trophy winners ahead of him.

Ok seriously? thats your argument?

but your right he probably could have played at Army, Navy or even at Pitt ahead of Palko :)

Yes.

Wait...What???

Isn’t your name plastered all over the posts above about how great of a coach Todd Haley is and how he is the reason that the team was able to turn itself around…and how the

Tipical reactions blame the coach,

You then have the stones to ask:

You think a coach can really have that big of a inpact of a player …

If you’re going to throw one play at me instead of the multiple years of inconsistency at OC thanks to Haley’s asshole behavior then you have already invalidated any intelligent argument you could possibly have had.

To answer your question though: Yes.

I believe i said that i think Haley is a good coach, and a lot of time it comes down to the players on the field.

These are professionals, with egos, and different personalities. I think that to many people give Weis credit for the success when there was alot of things that fell just right. And when i said “you think a coach can have an impact” meaning and directing it towards a player like cassel a 30 yr old journey man who in all honesty had a lucky year.

All I know is...

Charlie Weis has a shit ton (official measurement) of NFL gold and diamonds on 3 fingers where a certain 6th round draft pick excelled under his tutelage.

No doubt Brady has a buttload of natural talent but it takes coaching fundamentals and a keen eye to help players develop. Hell Cassel won 11 games under Weis in New England too.

If there were no value in coaching, there wouldn’t be any coaches. Think of the payroll the “cheap ass” Clark’s could save if they didn’t need to hire coaches.Obviously the system works.

Never once said there was no value, obviously there is huge value.

And im not sure I follow your point, What has any coach out of NE won since leaving? Cassel took a 16-0 team and missed the playoffs. Enough said!

You're right...

Cassel took a 16-0 team and missed the playoffs. Enough said!

I simply cannot argue with that rock solid logic. Winning 11 games and not making the playoffs is common.

He won 11 flipping games….

weis wasnt there when cassel won 11 games

Thats what i thought, but didnt know 100%. Thanks.

Uhhh...

Cassel HAS had some pretty impressive success at the NFL level. The knock on him has always been consistency. So yes, a good coach, who stays for a consistent amount of time would have done good things for Cassel.

Weis without questioned helped the situation

Ok question number 2

Do you think Pioli (im sure Hunt has a say also) bring in (fork out he cash) a legitimate QB to compete with Cassel to give our new OC options?

Depends on the definition of legitimate.

1. Manning (if available) – No way.
2. Orton – No
3. Jason Campbell – Maybe
4. Any other free agent – Maybe

I think we go with:
1.Cassel
2.Stanzi
3. [Insert draft pick OR practice squad player from some other team here]

Yes.

Given his statements along with dabolls, I doubt it. Not real competition. Hope i m wrong

RG3? I still have hope :)

nope for your hope sorry

Pioli will not give up all its going to take to land him

tomachop - February 9, 2012 reply

Last question then i have to go

If you were empowered for a day and could send just one of our players packing who would it be?

In a trade or what? Are we just getting rid of players just to?

yes just to

Just trying to get a general consensus of who my fellow Chiefs fans think could be holding us back

qb.

Defense is gonna be stellar, rb and receivers can be great. Cassel supporters will say o line